--- Log opened Wed Apr 04 00:00:03 2018
--- Day changed Wed Apr 04 2018
00:00 < ThatOneRoadie> TuxedoJack: Let's be fair, HP LJ4's will run until the heat-death of the universe
00:01 < AnimalFarmPig> ^ normally true, but I did have an LJ4 (one I bought for home use) fail on me. I don't remember the exact issue, but it was some part wore out and I couldn't find replacements
00:01 < AnimalFarmPig> I was just as shocked as you probably are
00:02 < mkillebrew> that's ridiculous, the universe will end in a cold death
00:02 < ThatOneRoadie> entropy dictates the universe will die warm
00:02 < mkillebrew> does it?
00:02 < mkillebrew> that makes no sense
00:03 < ThatOneRoadie> The "heat death" of the universe is a bit of a confusing phrase
00:03 < ThatOneRoadie> it's not "The universe gets so warm that everything dies"
00:04 < ThatOneRoadie> it's "The universe no longer has any cold spots, and so no thermodynamic work can be extracted from it any more"
00:04 < ThatOneRoadie> It will still be damn cold to us, but relatively, it will be very warm
00:05 < AnimalFarmPig> Thermodynamics has won at a crawl.
00:05 < ThatOneRoadie> yep
00:05 < AnimalFarmPig> William S. Burroughs said that. Goddamn visionary.
00:05 < ThatOneRoadie> Tortoise and the Hare, but on the scale of 10^100 years
00:06 < mkillebrew> yes that makes more sense
00:06 < mkillebrew> because heat death doesn't mean heat death, but heat death
00:06 < ThatOneRoadie> Exactly
00:06 < mkillebrew> evenly radiated
00:06 < ThatOneRoadie> not death by heat, but rather death of heat
00:06 < AnimalFarmPig> can't have a hot without a cold to stick it in
00:06 <+TuxedoJack> ThatOneRoadie: and I'll be fucking pleased about it, because they're good fucking printers
00:07 <+TuxedoJack> As opposed to shithouse OfficeJet 86x0 series
00:07 < AnimalFarmPig> to paraphrase Arlo Guthrie
00:07 < mkillebrew> that's what I need, a new printer
00:07 < ThatOneRoadie> The universe will probably end around 25-50° Kelvin
00:07 < ThatOneRoadie> Maybe 60°K if there are still LJ4 Fuser modules around
00:07 < mkillebrew> I was looking at color laser printers the other day then got distracted
00:07 < ThatOneRoadie> Points to brother
00:07 < ThatOneRoadie> for not putthing chips in their goddamn toner cartriges
00:08 < AnimalFarmPig> is there a modern equivalent to a the LJ4? Basically, a printer that doesn't suck
00:08 < Zrane> I have one of those cheap little brother B&W lasers.
00:08 < Zrane> It's decent.
00:09 < AnimalFarmPig> can it ethernet? does it require a user to install drivers?
00:10 < ThatOneRoadie> Yes, No
00:10 < ThatOneRoadie> (in that order)
00:10 < AnimalFarmPig> nice!
00:10 < AnimalFarmPig> happen to know the model number?
00:11 < ThatOneRoadie> mine was an mfc somethingorther
00:11 < AnimalFarmPig> I would look at their website, but http://backdatassup.com/api/5ZM2TU.png
00:11 < ThatOneRoadie> MFC-9130CW I think
00:12 < ThatOneRoadie> 9130 only has wifi card though
00:12 < ThatOneRoadie> no lan port
00:12 < ThatOneRoadie> 9330 has the lan port
00:12 < ThatOneRoadie> MFC-9330CDW
00:12 < AnimalFarmPig> adding to my wishlist. Thanks!
00:12 < ThatOneRoadie> that one also has a duplexer
00:13 < ThatOneRoadie> and airprint
00:13 < ThatOneRoadie> so config-free printing on iDevices
00:13 < StrongBad> yo, any of you ever try one of these secure 4-6u vertical wall mount switch racks? I've never used one before and am a little worried about cable management. https://www.startech.com/Server-Management/Racks/~RK630WALVS
00:13 < AnimalFarmPig> no iGadgets here. We're running W10, Debian, and Ubuntu as home
00:14 < ThatOneRoadie> it also supports google cloud print
00:15 <+TuxedoJack> Someone wants to print from a device? Better be a fucking PC
00:15 < AnimalFarmPig> ^
00:15 <+TuxedoJack> Because I'm not turning on mDNS / WSD on a goddamn fucking THING on a network
00:15 < ThatOneRoadie> lol
00:15 <+TuxedoJack> Because the fucking dipshits with Win10 will add it as a WSD printer and fuck it up
00:15 <+TuxedoJack> And bitch and moan when their fucking printers don't work because WSD ports are fucking retarded
00:16 <+abakedapplepie> gawd
00:16 <+abakedapplepie> ive managed to accidentally set up a printer using wsd
00:16 <+abakedapplepie> came back to the print server a year later, looking at the ports for documentation
00:16 <+abakedapplepie> whats this wsd?? aw shit
00:16 <+TuxedoJack> Why the fuck that's even on on printers I have no goddamn idea
00:16 <+TuxedoJack> To make it easy for retards, I guess?
00:17 <+abakedapplepie> i honestly dont even know how it happened
00:17 < ThatOneRoadie> If you're hunting for the difference on the MFC-9330CDW and the MFC-9340CDW, the 40 has a duplex ADF for duplex copying/scanning too, and supports dropbox/google drive/other cloud bullshit
00:17 <+abakedapplepie> must have forgot to change the port type to ethernet
00:18 <+abakedapplepie> also StrongBad: nope, never used a vertical rack like that
00:18 <+abakedapplepie> i would imagine cabling is in fact a bitch
00:18 < StrongBad> abakedapplepie: I've got some really tight switch closets for my new qfx5100s and need a lot of depth
00:19 <+abakedapplepie> buy a bigger closet :P
00:19 < technonerd> get a skinnier tech to work said closet
00:20 <+abakedapplepie> but anyway
00:20 < StrongBad> I don't even see a way to get cable in
00:20 <+abakedapplepie> if youre getting 4-6u i imagine thats plenty of room internally
00:20 <+abakedapplepie> are you puting a patch panel in there too
00:20 < StrongBad> yeah we have a fiber patch panel and 2u of switches
00:20 < StrongBad> with room for growth
00:20 < StrongBad> so should be 4u
00:20 <+abakedapplepie> maybe spec an extra U to stuff cables in
00:20 <+abakedapplepie> lol
00:21 <+abakedapplepie> out of sight out of mind
00:21 <+abakedapplepie> pretend its not spaghetti in there when you walk past
00:21 < StrongBad> yeah should have an extra 2u
00:22 < grumplestiltzkin> protip: 48u patch panel and 48u switch between 1u horizontal cable management is top tier. you can get away with almost 100% 1foot cables, and *no* spaghetti (for a distribution closet) We finally did that, and OMG so clean
00:23 < ThatOneRoadie> >48u switch
00:23 < ThatOneRoadie> jesus fuck what kind of shit
00:23 < grumplestiltzkin> 2960s, 3850s,  like.. its a pretty standard size
00:24 < grumplestiltzkin> well, 48+4  SFP ports for uplinks, etc
00:24 < ThatOneRoadie> the new Cisco NEXUS 7700-series 30-slot switch
00:24 <+CheckYourSix> ThatOneRoadie: Think he means a 48U rack...
00:24 < ThatOneRoadie> lol
00:24 < ThatOneRoadie> he means 48p :P
00:24 < grumplestiltzkin> oh. I did say 48u didnt I ?  ha no, 48 port
00:24 < ThatOneRoadie> hahaha
00:24 < grumplestiltzkin> 1u
00:24 < ThatOneRoadie> I'm just imagining a Nexus 7k that takes up an entire damn rack now
00:24 <+CheckYourSix> Err yeah. 48 port 1u too
00:26 < grumplestiltzkin> I said 48u patch panel too.   like..  so you're at 96U right there
00:26 < ThatOneRoadie> now tbg I have seen 48u patch panels
00:26 < ThatOneRoadie> tbf*
00:27 < aName> How do you guys reconcile the marked increase in spoofed/spam/scam calls with the need to be available by telephone for emergencies?
00:27 < ThatOneRoadie> aName: private on-call cisco unity mailbox with notification devices
00:28 < Stoob> I don't answer calls that aren't in my address book
00:28 < Stoob> if it's an emergency they'll leave a message
00:28 < ThatOneRoadie> Accessible only to internal extensions
00:28 < ThatOneRoadie> user calls service desk
00:28 < Zrane> Stoob, ++
00:28 < ThatOneRoadie> service desk determines severity
00:28 < aName> Stoob: That's what I've been doing
00:28 <+TuxedoJack> aName: if it's not friends or family or senior managers, I don't pick up. If it's not on the special, must-pick-up-in-5-minutes line, I don't pick up
00:28 < ThatOneRoadie> service desk 4-digit-dials on-call box
00:28 < ThatOneRoadie> service desk leaves message with ticket details
00:28 <+TuxedoJack> Leave a fucking voicemail and let Asterisk send it to the helldesk
00:28 < ThatOneRoadie> my phone rings from mailbox informing me I have a message
00:28 < ThatOneRoadie> I call unity mailbox and receive message
00:28 < ThatOneRoadie> done
00:28 < ThatOneRoadie> no spam ever
00:29 < aName> Yeah, alright.
00:29 < aName> Just wanted to make sure my thinking was in line with others
00:29 < ThatOneRoadie> yep
00:29 < ThatOneRoadie> internal-999 line accessible from anywhere not internal is asking for trouble
00:30 < aName> We have an emergency line that is externally accessible, but it's never really been a problem
00:30 < Ayeitzabee> Sup bois
00:30 < aName> I've gotten three calls in two years, none of them while I was truly asleep, none of them actual emergencies.
00:30 < aName> Our monitoring tends to pick up on things before they become fires.
00:31 < aName> *large fires
00:31 < Zrane> We've made a lot of improvements, so I think I've taken two calls after 6:30 or so in the last year.
00:31 < m4221> McDonaldsWiFi: hey
00:31 < Zrane> And one was from an exec travelling in asia, so I forgave him.
00:31 < aName> I actually woke up for an alert this morning
00:31 < aName> And fixed it myself.
00:31 < aName> I'm a big boy now
00:31 < aName> lol
00:32 < aName> (I'm not even on call, but it's one of my systems and I can fix it in about five seconds, and I was already up...)
00:33 < aName> I wonder if there's a way to force the minimum brightness on my desktop's display if it hasn't been on for awhile
00:33 < aName> Because retina-searing blue light is exactly what I needed at four in the morning
00:33 < coderphive> kek
00:33 < coderphive> it's 4 am for you?
00:33 < coderphive> Where are you?
00:34 < aName> No, I'm speaking in the past tense.
00:34 < coderphive> oh
00:34 < coderphive> on macs I think there is
00:34 < aName> Yeah
00:34 < aName> Funnily enough
00:34 < aName> I'm trading in my on-call macbook air for a surfacebook
00:36 < aName> It's a six or seven year old mac though, and I really prefer working on windows machines.
00:36 < aName> (And all the linux shit I ssh to anyway, so it doesn't really matter which I use)
00:37 <+TuxedoJack> Just use f./lux
00:37 <+TuxedoJack> Just use f.lux
00:37 < ThatOneRoadie> Surface book user here
00:37 < ThatOneRoadie> is niiiiiiiiiiiiiiice
00:37 < aName> TuxedoJack: Windows 10 has that built in, but it changes the temperature, not the intensity of the light
00:37 < aName> ThatOneRoadie: Yeah, I haven't had much of a chance to use it yet but it seems nice
00:38 < aName> TuxedoJack: Does f.lux do that now?
00:42 < darkscrypt> Anybody know any good System Center Service Manager programmers? got an opportunity to make $75 an hour in South Carolina. Pm me if you know somebody
00:43 < boshaus> anyone know what up with ##pfsense being +i?
00:46 < technonerd> surface pros are trash
00:46 < technonerd> its takes alot of work to get 0/10 from ifixit
00:48 < mehmories> I'm more impressed with the engineering if anything. Zero fixability does suck though
00:49 < m4221> This is off topic: are any of you into trains?
00:49 < JFDkthx> like
00:49 < JFDkthx> running trains?
00:49 < m4221> Anything from HO and Lionels to traveling by train
00:49 < JFDkthx> oh
00:50 < JFDkthx> i would like to travel by train.
00:50 < mehmories> What is the correlation between sysadmins and trains?
00:50 < JFDkthx> mehmories: nerds
00:50 < JFDkthx> mostly
00:50 < mehmories> lol
00:50 < m4221> They are token rings?
00:50 < mehmories> lolol
00:51 < mehmories> Is it not cool to like trains?
00:51 <+abakedapplepie> i like trains
00:51 <+abakedapplepie> i have a bunch of antique trains
00:51 < JFDkthx> where do you keep them
00:51 <+abakedapplepie> my grandfather's from his childhood
00:51 <+abakedapplepie> parents basement right now
00:52 < mehmories> Quite the basement!
00:52 < JFDkthx> ++
00:52 <+abakedapplepie> my buddies dad had a giant collection, he passed away 2 years ago
00:52 <+abakedapplepie> he has a whole train landscape in the basement
00:52 <+abakedapplepie> about 200 sqft
00:52 < ekaj> cisco virtual classroom is watching shit over the internet right?
00:55 < Sousapro> Token rings?
00:55 < Sousapro> Throw them into mount doom
00:56 < aName> I'm a little annoyed with my doctor right now. They wanted me to step up my dosage, which is fine - but I went 25-50-100mg
00:56 < aName> And 0-25 is all well and good and 25-50 is fine, but man, 50-100 is too much at once
00:56 < mehmories> the dosage of what?
00:57 < aName> mehmories: Sertaline
00:57 < m4221> aName: anxiety issues?
00:58 < aName> I feel like I'd probably benefit from a dopaminergic more so, but they apparently won't hand out speed to everyone who asks
00:58 < mehmories> Yeah that's quite a bit. Don't want to develop a dependency I imagine
00:58 < ekaj> .bofh
00:58 <+layer-eight> ekaj, BOFH says: permission denied
00:58 < aName> m4221: Yeah, along with some executive dysfunction and mood regulation issues
00:58 < aName> m4221: But now I have digestive and thermoregulation issues, soooo
01:01 < ekaj> sunlight is nice
01:02 < ThatOneRoadie> darkscrypt: if it was salaried at $75/hr and 100% remote I'd consider it
01:02 < ThatOneRoadie> lol
01:05 < JFDkthx> im glad i made instructions to convert our jira/confluence over to https because fucking atlassian are so fucking incompentent they leave out steps in their own official fucking guide
01:07 < JFDkthx> downtime officially over
01:07 < JFDkthx> mission complete
01:07 <+abakedapplepie> hey do you know things and stuff about confluence
01:07 <+abakedapplepie> why does confluence render tables with <th> elements inside <tbody> and no <thead>
01:07 <+abakedapplepie> its really harshing my vibe
01:08 <+abakedapplepie> ive gotten crickets on the forums
01:08 < JFDkthx> i dont, but i can ask our app guy
01:09 <+abakedapplepie> i want to use DataTables for sorting/pagination on large data tables
01:09 < JFDkthx> can you give me an example
01:09 <+abakedapplepie> http://datatables.net
01:09 <+abakedapplepie> uhhh
01:09 <+abakedapplepie> not really
01:09 <+abakedapplepie> its internal
01:09 < JFDkthx> :/
01:09 <+abakedapplepie> but... if you make a wiki table it doesnt render the header row in a <thead>
01:10 < JFDkthx> hit me up in the AM
01:10 <+abakedapplepie> yeah
01:10 < JFDkthx> and i'll ask
01:10 <+abakedapplepie> i built this app standalone first, so customer expects these features
01:10 <+abakedapplepie> porting all the data to confluence has been a pain
01:10 <@cryptic1> ok guys
01:10 <@cryptic1> abakedapplepie, back to work
01:10 <+abakedapplepie> but my boss wants to roll it out for everyone
01:10 <@cryptic1> JFDkthx, back to work
01:10 <+abakedapplepie> no u :(
01:10 <@cryptic1> aName, back to work
01:10 <@cryptic1> m4221, back to work
01:10 < JFDkthx> cryptic1: im just about to leave work
01:10 <@cryptic1> ekaj, back to work
01:10 < aName> cryptic1: I just got home. =*(
01:10  * m4221 blows the train horn on cryptic1 
01:11 <@cryptic1> Sousapro, back to work
01:11 <@cryptic1> worst excuses ever
01:11 <@cryptic1> mehmories, back to work
01:11 < m4221> Hey Sousapro
01:11 <@cryptic1> technonerd, back to work
01:11 < JFDkthx> later nerds
01:11 < m4221> cryptic1: choo choo
01:11 < JFDkthx> cryptic1: get back to twerk
01:12 < aName> lol this video is about 'unexpected dance numbers in non-dance movies' and there's an entry for 'Slum Dog Millionaire'
01:12 < JFDkthx> fuck forgot to drink my tea
01:12 < aName> Which... they got the bollywood film crew together and explained that there would be no dancing in this film, and they were very confused, so they just did it for the credits.
01:13 < aName> ... BEGONE MARINEDEPOT AND YOUR FINANCING OPTIONS. BEGONE.
01:13 < aName> That's some evil shit.
01:13 < Ayeitzabee> Heh
01:14 < aName> Seriously, telling me I can pay for that fancy new aquarium gear later... EVIL
01:15 < Ayeitzabee> Everything is a loan these days
01:15 < m4221> cryptic1: where do you want this train?
01:15 < aName> Ayeitzabee: I'll take a loan for like, education, or housing
01:15 < aName> Ayeitzabee: But 'neat new toys' are cash only affairs
01:15 < aName> Well, "cash"
01:17 < aName> m4221: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETfiUYij5UE
01:17 <+layer-eight> YouTube Biggie Smalls feat. Thomas the Tank Engine by 2012-06-25T21:45:17.000Z (duration: 7:01) on Tue Jun 26 04:45:17 UTC 2012, 2012-06-25T21:45:17.000Z views
01:17 < m4221> aName: hahaha
01:18 < aName> m4221: It works so well!
01:23 < SleePy> Me: "Quiet day, lets sneak out early and hit the other office to check in with them".... 30 minutes later both phone system switches drop dead....  Me: "Of course..."
01:24 < Stoob> almost as good as my quiet day
01:24 < Stoob> all phone lines dead, wat happen?
01:24 < Stoob> turns out you have to pay your providers
01:24 < SleePy> Not sure, drove 30 minutes back to the office to unplug and replug the switches
01:25 < Stoob> no im sayin in my case all lines were down due to nonpayment
01:26 < SleePy> Well that sucks.  My provider wouldn't do that to me unless it was a few months behind.
01:26 < Stoob> it was 7 months
01:26 < Stoob> :|
01:27 < SleePy> Well thats when you ensure they have multiple contact points.  They have me as tech, boss as admin and one of our ap personal as the billing.  Shouldn't fail :\
01:28 < Stoob> lol they had multiple they just didn't bother calling multiple. I guess their method works though, they got paid today.
01:29 < DrGibby|> how about: pay your bills on time?
01:29 < DrGibby|> they don't *need* to contact multiple people
01:31 < SleePy> Well for us, it also dropped internal calls, which is why I knew it wasn't our PRI.  Also my monitoring software showed failures to ping the switches, but server was online.  So I figured it was hardware
01:32 < Stoob> DrGibby|: take it up with finance (my mantra for the day)
01:32 < DrGibby|> Stoob: exactly
01:34 < SleePy> Well they could at least say something to those on the contact list.  For us when it has happened, we found out why fairly quickly and got it fixed.  Sometimes it was email was bad, other times their attachment got caught in the filters
01:36 < aName> SleePy: Nothing more irritating than an alert just as you sit back down at home
01:37 < DrGibby|> SleePy: if you're 7mo behind on your electric do you expect the power company to keep calling or just come out and shut off the power?
01:37 < SleePy> Yup.  If it had been after hours, I would have said fudge it.  Problem for tomorrow.  But Sales guys called fairly quickly saying their phones are not working
01:37 < DrGibby|> I can tell you exactly what they'd do
01:37 < SleePy> DrGibby|: No, I would expect them to ask after 2 months what is going on.  Things happen.  At 7 its understandable
01:38 < DrGibby|> speaking of which
01:38 < DrGibby|> I got a letter from the gas company about a month ago
01:39 < DrGibby|> it was "this is your final notice before we shut off your natural gas"
01:39 < DrGibby|> they never called, e-mailed, or sent a letter prior to that
01:39 < DrGibby|> they needed to preform an inspection, to a building they had access to
01:39 < DrGibby|> I have no idea why they even required me to do anything
01:40 < DrGibby|> but then again, utilities are fucking morons
01:40 < SleePy> Which seems weird.  Its not like everyone is just not trying to pay bills.  It can be easy to miss a bill
01:40 < SleePy> I just moved into a house and found out water bills is sent every 2 months.  I started going wtf last week as I hadn't seen a bill since February when I last paid.
01:41 < SleePy> Only knew because I keep track of what bills I need to pay, somebody else may not have noticed.
01:41 < DrGibby|> with something odd like that, yeah I can understand
01:41 < DrGibby|> but a monthly bill is so simple
01:41 < SleePy> Whats worse is Waste Management is every 3 months.  Water every 2.  So some months there is 2 bills I don't get, others I get both :(
01:42 < Kobe``> i rekt my credit when i moved
01:42 < Kobe``> i called the gas company and water company
01:42 < Kobe``> paid my balance
01:42 < Kobe``> but a new balance was issued after i had moved out
01:42 < Kobe``> and they didnt have my new address
01:43 < SleePy> You could dispute that if you have proof you submitted info showing you moving
01:44 < Kobe``> i mean other than a phone call
01:44 < Kobe``> "hey close my account"
01:44 < Kobe``> but yeah found out that happened after i got hit by collections
01:45 < SleePy> Notes are important.  "I talked to John in Customer relations about closing my account on 2/2/18 around 3:15 pm"
01:46 < meatyfeety> Aye my power company said they were going to cut my power but they didn't for 6 months
01:49 <+CheckYourSix> Kobe``: Uh, did you not set up mail forwarding?
01:49 <+CheckYourSix> Or eBill?
01:49 < DrGibby|> ebill is the fucking way
01:50 < DrGibby|> all that shit is filed automagically
01:50 < Kobe``> I did
01:51 <+CheckYourSix> Then how did you not get the bill?
01:52 <+CheckYourSix> And why wasn't it just set up for automatic payment on your CC?
01:52 < DrGibby|> ^^^
01:52 < Kobe``> you're asking why some podunk municipal water district has no autopay?
01:53 < McDonaldsWiFi> Kobe``: +++
01:53 < McDonaldsWiFi> Ours doesn't either, its stupid
01:53 < McDonaldsWiFi> gotta call that shit in the phone -.-
01:53 < Kobe``> not only that they close at 4
01:53 < Kobe``> fucking sucked paying htat bill
01:53 < McDonaldsWiFi> RIGHT
01:53 < McDonaldsWiFi> small town problems
01:53 < SleePy> I got some stupid companies around here.  Some don't do auto pay.  Some charge me a "convenience fee" to accept online or phone payments.  No joke
01:53 < Kobe``> its illegal to charge convenience fees
01:54 < Kobe``> unless you're a utility
01:54 < Kobe``> because monopolies
01:54 < McDonaldsWiFi> +++
01:54 < McDonaldsWiFi> government granted monopolies can do what they want lol
01:54 < SleePy> Its Taxes.  I think they can get away with it :P
01:55 < SleePy> Although a E-check Online is free.
01:57 < DrGibby|> I still send my check from state taxes via mail because it costs less for a stamp, paper, the ink and a box of eve-lopes than it does for submitting the payment online
01:58 < DrGibby|> its so fucking dumb.
01:58 < DrGibby|> envelopes*
01:59 < SleePy> Whats dumb is they have a online portal where you can look up your property, select your unpaid taxes/services and "check out".  So for their system, this should in some way setup something to instantly process all payment data.  Rather than somebody opening a bunch of letters, processing each one and making sure the check clears
02:00 < McDonaldsWiFi> wow
02:00 < McDonaldsWiFi> COBOL dev listing in my area, lol
02:00 < xe0n> loll
02:00 < xe0n> jump into the delorean
02:00 < McDonaldsWiFi> xD
02:00 < SleePy> Let me guess.  They need somebody to convert their system into Ruby?
02:00 < McDonaldsWiFi> The guy that lands that will probably be over 50 lol
02:01 < McDonaldsWiFi> they also want SQL exp
02:01 < McDonaldsWiFi> wtf is iSeries
02:01 < McDonaldsWiFi> COBOL iSeries?
02:01 < DrGibby|> IBM mainframe iirc
02:01 < SleePy> ^^
02:01 < McDonaldsWiFi> old schoo lshit
02:01 < DrGibby|> yeeee
02:01 < McDonaldsWiFi> probably too rooted to move it
02:02 < DrGibby|> or they're trying to find someone to do it
02:02 < SleePy> AS400..  We still have ours and its maintained by a 3rd party dev team
02:02 < McDonaldsWiFi> cause it doesn't mention anything else besides SQL and COBOL
02:02 < DrGibby|> pls port this cobol program to sql
02:02 < DrGibby|> we'll pay you 32k/yr
02:02 < McDonaldsWiFi> I'm not sure I would want to take a job like that
02:02 < DrGibby|> you have 6 months
02:02 < McDonaldsWiFi> guaranteed emporary lol
02:02 < McDonaldsWiFi> temp*
02:02 < DrGibby|> no benefits
02:02 < McDonaldsWiFi> man I wish I had 3 years exp
02:03 < McDonaldsWiFi> that apparently opens a lot of doors
02:03 < SleePy> And it handles a multi-million dollar company program and is critical to operations.  But only worth 32k/y for a dev
02:03 < McDonaldsWiFi> SleePy: ++
02:03 < DrGibby|> SleePy+++
02:03 < McDonaldsWiFi> multi-million dollar antiquated program
02:03 < DrGibby|> can't be down for on minute while you make changes too
02:03 < McDonaldsWiFi> that only a small subset of programmers can admin
02:03 < DrGibby|> s/on/one
02:03 <+layer-eight> McDonaldsWiFi meant: "that onely a small subset of programmers can admin"
02:04 < McDonaldsWiFi> lol
02:04 < DrGibby|> da fuq?
02:04 < SleePy> Of course.  Because HA wasn't a thing you had in the 70s when it was setup.  It just better work
02:04 < McDonaldsWiFi> regex pwn
02:04 < McDonaldsWiFi> i wish I could time travel to the 80s
02:04  * DrGibby| kicks MillerBoss 
02:04 < McDonaldsWiFi> and live in the digital boom
02:04 < DrGibby|> fix ur shit bot
02:04 < McDonaldsWiFi> writing C code and building radios xD
02:05 < SleePy> Pfft, you would just buy into the stock market to the right companies about to boom and live life just off easy street
02:05 < McDonaldsWiFi> DrGibby|: had an interview today, they were trying to traverse my profile they printed from the application
02:05 < McDonaldsWiFi> handed them the resume, they were glad
02:05 < DrGibby|> nice!
02:05 < McDonaldsWiFi> said it was concise and easy to read, so ty
02:05 < DrGibby|> no problamo!
02:06 < DrGibby|> glad to help, my friend :)
02:06 < McDonaldsWiFi> ^^
02:06 < McDonaldsWiFi> but man resumes dont mean shit when you only have 2 year exp
02:06 < McDonaldsWiFi> gotta grind a little more
02:06 <+CheckYourSix> McDonaldsWiFi: That's where the interview comes into play. You need to convince them you're it, regardless of the experience
02:06 < McDonaldsWiFi> Yeah +++
02:07 < McDonaldsWiFi> but this particular place was red tape central
02:07 < McDonaldsWiFi> HR has tight rules, apps are thrown out immediately if they don't reach the minimum set req
02:07 < McDonaldsWiFi> :( I tried to sweet talk my way into that pos at the intervie wlol
02:07 <+CheckYourSix> Doesn't sound like a place I'd want to work if that's how they handle stuff...
02:07 < McDonaldsWiFi> was interviewing for a lesse rplace
02:07 < McDonaldsWiFi> it was a hiospital
02:07 < McDonaldsWiFi> hospital*
02:07 < McDonaldsWiFi> man I swear I had a mini stroke cause my typing is shit lately
02:09 < DrGibby|> McDonaldsWiFi: mine has been too
02:09 < DrGibby|> it scares me
02:09 < McDonaldsWiFi> xD
02:11 < SleePy> My boss likes to screen applicants himself rather than HR.
02:12 < McDonaldsWiFi> that's probably for the best
02:12 < SleePy> Has had success on 3/3 of his hires.  All great!
02:12 <+CheckYourSix> That's how it should be
02:13 < DrGibby|> I get to see all of the applications
02:13 < DrGibby|> HR has some weight but very little
02:13 < DrGibby|> only one bad hire and he's a transfer prior to me being in leadership
02:14 < SleePy> You should do the prescreen for the skills you are looking for, or people who you see filling that role nicely even without the skills.  Then let HR take over for the personal aspect.
02:14 < DrGibby|> oh for sure
02:15 < silentfury> the quality of the hire is directly proportional to manager hiring.
02:15 <+CheckYourSix> silentfury: +++++++++++++++
02:20 <+CheckYourSix> Experience isn't everything. Just like certs aren't everything. I'd take someone who's easy to get along with, highly motivated to learn, with decent (or good) social skills even if they lacked a bit of experience. Skills can be taught in a short time
02:22 < silentfury> depends on the organization.
02:22 < silentfury> and the projects
02:23 <+CheckYourSix> Obviously that doesn't work when you need very senior people, but in general it will
02:30 < McDonaldsWiFi> ahhh shit, here come the Naders
02:31 < meatyfeety> Huh?
02:31  * m4221 derails CheckYourSix's views
02:33  * CheckYourSix slaps m4221 "GET BACK TO WORK!"
02:34 < m4221> CheckYourSix: no
02:42 < Jay-Ros> fml I've been given some crappy database-based application to set up
02:43 < Jay-Ros> it's running on an ini file...
02:43 < m4221> Jay-Ros: Insurance software?
02:44 < Jay-Ros> m4221 - space rental booking
02:44 < Jay-Ros> well, property management software
02:44 < Jay-Ros> the tool looks very office 2016 calendar, which isn't terrible
02:45 < m4221> Jay-Ros: my shit looks like dos
02:46 < Jay-Ros> but the install back end is a per-user ini file, an .exe installer, a per-user modified shortcut and a install pack to make sure you've got all the necessary software on your machine
02:47 < Jay-Ros> I've managed to jury rig a batch file, vbs and some %username% variables to kick off a on-the-server instance of the application running, but I need to solidify it... because fuck installing software on citrix
02:54 < Ayeitzabee> Jay-Ros, Nothing wrong with Citrix :D
02:56 < DrGibby|> you shut your mouth
02:56 < Jay-Ros> Ayeitzabee - yeah, but I don't want to install some crappy software on it, and mess it all up... I've got it running smoothly at the moment
02:57 < m4221> DrGibby|: Parallels, formerly 2X is better ;)
03:00 < hug> 2x was fucking *garbage* when I used it.
03:01 < The_Dv8or> sup
03:01 < DrGibby|> the sky
03:02 < xe0n> citrix is a black art
03:03 < m4221> xe0n: racist
03:03 < DrGibby|> WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE BLACK XE0N, HUH?
03:04 < xe0n> because it's magic duhhhh
03:06 < xe0n> i've got a 70 node citrix farm here, will be replaced soon
03:11 < brianx> i'm looking for a lightweight linux open source wysiwyg editor for documents that are simple, almost plain text, but have embedded graphics and can do something with bullet points and tables.  the output needs to be widely supported.  html seems to fit the bill on file format.  .pdf could be ok as well.
03:11 < brianx> i've been using gedit and linking the graphics but that's annoying.  ideally it would be something included in debian's default repos.  i found tinymce but it doesn't seem to be open enough.  bluefish doesn't seem to have wysiwyg.  open office is too heavy.
03:12 < Sousapro> Lol I drove out to the local Harley dealer at 8pm when they close at 9pm. Only person there was old lady selling tshirts
03:12 < Sousapro> And they wonder why they are struggling
03:12 < Sousapro> I probably would have bought a bike
03:12 < Sousapro> Now I'm going to stop by Indian and Honda lol
03:13 < Sousapro> brianx: I believe you are looking for a unicorn but best of luck
03:15 < brianx> Sousapro: i don't get it.  we used to have lightweight editors under early versions of windows and even early html editors that were pretty light.  why is everything so much worse today?...
03:15 < Sousapro> My cell phone has more CPU than your house did in 2005?
03:15 < brianx> Sousapro: most people who are going to buy will come back.  odds are they lose few sales by not hanging around at past 8pm.
03:15 < Sousapro> So feature creep and high level unoptimized code
03:16 < Sousapro> brianx: oh, I'll be back. But with a ton of research and after having been to all of their local competitors
03:16 < brianx> yeah, creep, that's it. :-|
03:16 < Sousapro> I wish things stayed more optimized
03:18 < brianx> i as well.  early html was not able to do what google maps does, but building a browser for something like google maps only encourages bad webpages to proliferate.
03:19 < brianx> i really liked that early web pages let the client figure out layout.  none of this 8 million pixels with only a little swath of text and images down the center of a huge empty space.
03:22 < Jay-Ros> that was fun, my irc was connected on wifis
03:22 < Jay-Ros> and my local vm I was firing up stole the wifi
03:22 < The_Dv8or> I remember doing Web pages in MS Word
03:22 < brianx> notepad all the way!
03:23 < brianx> lol
03:23 < Jay-Ros> The_Dv8or - I'm currently setting up LAMP for Wordpress, I've heard it's pretty much the same
03:23 < DrGibby|> notepad++ tho
03:23 < The_Dv8or> nothing word with Wordpress
03:23 < brianx> i was kidding.  and this was way before notepad++
03:23 < The_Dv8or> LAMP has nothing to do with design
03:23 < Jay-Ros> nope, everything to do with the opensuse server i'm firing up though
03:24 < Jay-Ros> which is going to host wordpress
03:24 < brianx> that's a blast from the past too.  i used to love opensuse.
03:24 < The_Dv8or> Im failing to see the comparison between that and Word
03:24 < DrGibby|> notepad++ is hosting wordpress?
03:24 < Jay-Ros> I thought the web tool for it was quite word-ey?
03:24 < Jay-Ros> I've seen someone modify a page in it previously
03:25 < The_Dv8or> Im talking about doing actual layout in MS Word
03:25 < Jay-Ros> Gotha.
03:25 < Jay-Ros> s/th/tch
03:25 <+layer-eight> Jay-Ros meant: "Gotcha."
03:26 < The_Dv8or> LAMP is a nice tool if you want to localize your test WP hosting
03:26 < ned0> Sousapro http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/zero-fxs/
03:26 < Jay-Ros> ned0 - those zero bikes are so much fun, I took one for a test ride
03:27 < Jay-Ros> they're eerily quiet
03:27 < The_Dv8or> I worked at NREL about 7 years ago, they had a Zero bike on site
03:27 < The_Dv8or> they prolly designed the fuckin thing there
03:27 < ned0> now I just need to be able to unfold a solar panel from my backpack
03:27 < ned0> and plug in that zero bike
03:27 < ned0> take a nap while it charges then keep on riding
03:28 < xe0n> keep on riding, you know what time it is...
03:28 < xe0n> babababa throw your hands up
03:28 < Jay-Ros> My bonneville lost its second seat bolt
03:28 < xe0n> keep rollin rollin rollin
03:28 < Jay-Ros> I need to order some
03:29 < Jay-Ros> finger screws are obscene - $50 for a bolt :|
03:30 < The_Dv8or> 50 bucks a bolt… just like your mom
03:31 < Jay-Ros> The_Dv8or - uhuh
03:31 < Jay-Ros> mmhmm
03:31 < Jay-Ros> yup
03:34 < xe0n> wicked bolt ons
03:38 < Sousapro> The funny thing is that the Indian dealer also sells zero motorcycles
03:38 < The_Dv8or> Im trying to figure out that, other than games and Office document weirdness, what good reason is there not to run a Linux workstation desktop
03:38 < Sousapro> Looks like I'm going to have to visit them
03:39 < The_Dv8or> oh, and some iPhone/iPad syncing shit, but I dont do that all that often
03:39 < brianx> Sousapro: what do they sell?  indian is my closest bike dealer here.
03:40 < DrGibby|> and a good bike, too
03:40 < Sousapro> brianx: really nice cruisers and baggers
03:40 < Sousapro> Think Harley but without the mechanical issues
03:40 < Sousapro> And more features
03:40 < Sousapro> They're beautiful now
03:40 < brianx> ahh, you're after a very specific class of bike.
03:40 < Jay-Ros> Indian bikes are seriously good looking
03:40 < Sousapro> brianx: not a crotch rocket lol
03:41 < Sousapro> That's my list of requirements
03:41 < Sousapro> I'm 6'8"
03:41 < Jay-Ros> Sousapro - triumph rocket?
03:41 < DrGibby|> https://youtu.be/Fuj7x4Px6zQ
03:41 <+layer-eight> YouTube Brutal Golf Mk2 1233HP 16V Turbo Acceleration from Boba Motoring!!! FULL VIDEO 2015 by 2015-12-19T17:28:30.000Z (duration: 4:23) on Sun Dec 20 00:28:30 UTC 2015, 2015-12-19T17:28:30.000Z views
03:41 < brianx> not a crotch rocket and not a cruiser
03:41 < The_Dv8or> all right, Im off to jail.  Later
03:41 < Jay-Ros> sousapro - don't overlook the Victory bikes too
03:41 < brianx> triumph and bmw do make nice bikes.
03:42 < E-werd> is that a joke?
03:42 < brianx> enjoy The_Dv8or
03:42 < E-werd> the jail thing, i mean
03:42 < Jay-Ros> I've got a bonneville - I wish I had the t120 instead of the 865 efi
03:42 < Sousapro> Jay-Ros: yeah, that's a fast bike
03:42 < Sousapro> The rocket
03:43 < Jay-Ros> Sousapro - the rockets are a masterpiece, although the weight of them is seriously impressive
03:43 < Sousapro> brianx: I'm usually more comfortable on cruisers. I have to buy peg kits for any street bike to move them and they still hurt lol
03:43 < Jay-Ros> You'd have the long legs to hold the thing up with a wide enough leg distance... I'm 5'10" so I'm a shortass and the bonneville sits right for me
03:43 < Sousapro> Like a road king looks small when I ride it
03:43 < brianx> Sousapro: i'm not as tall as you, but tall enough to understand.
03:44 < Jay-Ros> i've jumped on a rocket iii and I was controlling myself to make sure I was keeping it upright
03:44 < Sousapro> Like most people on a Sportster
03:45 < Sousapro> brianx: it sucks because I love bikes. I was just looking at the little BMW bike and it looks fun as hell
03:45 <+enix> Sousapro: their stunt bike?
03:45 < StreetOwl> Hey
03:45 <+enix> G3 or something
03:45 <+enix> g310
03:45 < Sousapro> I was on a r1200 adventure today
03:45 <+enix> no that's not it
03:45 < Sousapro> I want one
03:45 < Sousapro> But $$$$$
03:45 < Sousapro> That thing is a monster
03:46 <+enix> https://www.bmwmotorrad.com.au/motorcycles/roadster/g-310-r/
03:46 <+enix> That's what I want
03:46 < Sousapro> Yeah
03:46 < Sousapro> That's a great bike
03:46 < brianx> yeah, space makes a lot of things hard for larger people like us.  i like small cars so i'm constantly limited to two seaters because small 4 or 5 seat cars don't fit me.
03:46 <+enix> https://motorbikewriter.com/bmws-single-cylinder-indian-stunt-bike/
03:47 <+enix> Yeah I have the honda grom and I'm thinking once I'm better at the stunts I might get the G 310 S but apparently they're as gutless as the grom
03:47 <+enix> Just a hard call because I want the F4i for obvious reasons however they're getting old and parts are going up/becoming scarce
03:48 < Jay-Ros> ha! that little beemer looks fun
03:49 < hug> I'm considering just buying a grom.
03:49 <+enix> FUCKING DO IT
03:49 < Jay-Ros> hug - they're funny but they're so low powered
03:49 <+enix> They're slow as fuck but the fun is worth it tbh
03:49 < Jay-Ros> like, annoyingly so on a daily use basis
03:50 <+enix> I could easily commute on it if I didn't commute over 30KM a day
03:50 < hug> enix: Yeah I have a small section of freeway on my commute.
03:50 < hug> Which ... I don't think I can do on a grom.
03:50 <+enix> Nah it's not freeway I care about it's the whole darting here and there of the commute. On my commute the lack of power means I get stuck in shitty situations I could power out of, which is why I can't do a grom
03:50 < Jay-Ros> hug - you're better off with a full size bike which is thin and lightweight. Groms won't do the km/h
03:51 < hug> Jay-Ros: .. I mean I currently commute on my bonneville t120
03:51 <+enix> But a grom with factory gearing will happily sit at 100kmh. I used to lane split at 100kmh on the M4 in Sydney a couple years ago
03:51 < Jay-Ros> hug - I like you!
03:51 < Jay-Ros> I'm also jealous of your 325cc more than mine :P
03:51 < Sousapro> Why did you remind me about the rocket 3
03:51 < Sousapro> Now I want it again
03:51 < Jay-Ros> because it's a sexual piece of magnetic awesomeness
03:51 < Jay-Ros> ...with a beefy noise behind it
03:52 < Sousapro> It has more engine displacement than my outback
03:52 < hug> I would not ride a rocket
03:52 < hug> Cruisers suck.
03:52 < hug> I have a boulevard c109 for three years.
03:52 < hug> Do not recommend. Especially for commute.
03:53 < hug> Jay-Ros: what do you think about the look of the british customs exhaust tips for the bonneville?
03:54 < hug> I am seriously considering buying them. From what I can tell they sound fantastic.
03:54 < hug> https://www.revzilla.com/product_images/0330/9214/british_customs_billet_exhaust_tips_black_bon_t120_bon_t100_liquid_750x750.jpg
03:55 < Jay-Ros> hug - my '16 has a very quiet noise considering the bike size, and I'm quite in love with the soft grumble and gurgle of it
03:56 < Jay-Ros> ...as much as I enjoy The_Dv8or's mothers grumbling and gurgling
03:56 < hug> So the tips apparently don't make it any louder.
03:56 < hug> But they *do* make it grumblier.
03:56 < Jay-Ros> the tips look like they replace the catalyst?
03:56 < hug> wut
03:56 < hug> They replace the peashooters
03:56 < Jay-Ros> the peashooters are not cats?
03:56 <+NinjaStyle> hi
03:56 <+NinjaStyle> HI
03:56 < hug> No. The cat is in the x pipe.
03:57 <+NinjaStyle> HI!!1
03:57 < Jay-Ros> ah righto that's something I didn't realise
03:57 < Jay-Ros> Hi ninjastyle
03:57 < Jay-Ros> :) <3
03:57 <+NinjaStyle> hi Jay-Ros
03:57 < DrGibby|> Hi NinjaStyle
03:57 < Jay-Ros> hug - I'd be considerate on my bike of the heat to the feet for passengers, but the shortened pipes look fucking cool too.
03:57 < hug> Jay-Ros: You can buy x-pipe replacements that will make it louder.
03:57 <+NinjaStyle> hi DrGibby|
03:58 < hug> But f that. I don't want a stupid loud bike.
03:58 < DrGibby|> how are you NinjaStyle
03:58 <+NinjaStyle> I'm good I'm good
03:58 < Jay-Ros> yeah, I like the fact that my bike doesn't sound like a noisy retard on public transport
03:58 <+NinjaStyle> how are you DrGibby|
03:58 < DrGibby|> I am swell
03:58 <+NinjaStyle> nice
03:59 < Jay-Ros> as much as I love the seating position and ride look of harleys, they always sound like a deep throated child that the mother can't keep control of... trying to get everyone's attention for the sake of getting attention
03:59 < Sousapro> My mp3 500 sounds like a large sewing machine
03:59 < Sousapro> I could use some annoying look
04:00 < Sousapro> s/look/lol
04:00 <+layer-eight> Sousapro meant: "I could use some annoying lol"
04:00 < Jay-Ros> Sousapro - I had a CBF250, I'm still in love with the sound of a bumblebee on a caffeine binge from that little bastard
04:01 <+enix> My dream build; ratchet frame, panhead, fat rear wheel, over-sized bobber styled seat, suicide shifter, no foot controls
04:01 <+enix> rust everywhere
04:01 < hug> The thing I like about the T120 sound is that it's very rumbly, not braaappy.
04:01 <+enix> built in my back yard
04:01 <+enix> Ratchet. As. Fuck.
04:01 <+enix> Nothing screams "i'll skull fuck your daughter" like a badass home-built harley
04:02 <+NinjaStyle> :(
04:02 < Jay-Ros> hug - yeah same with mine, it's the perfect combination of british politeness and bare metal aggressiveness
04:03 < Jay-Ros> "excuse me good sir, I'm going to take your daughter home and give her a savage rogering. Might want to put the heat bear in the microwave in preparation for her return"
04:03 <+enix> "Excuse my sir, I shall retire to your daughters sitting room to engage in cranial copulation momentarily"
04:03 <+enix> lmfao
04:03 < Jay-Ros> hahah enix, nice
04:04 < Jay-Ros> "excuse me ma'am, would you mind popping over to the left hand lane? I'm planning on tearing the hell out of this road in a moment, and it's best if you keep your distance"
04:04 < Jay-Ros> also hug, that low speed control on the bonnies; I've not found that in another bike unless it was 2/3 of the weight
04:05 < McDonaldsWiFi> any music heads?
04:05 <+enix> https://www.mcas.com.au/shop/item/kraftech-frame---rigid-180-125-diameter-30-degree-rake-0-stretch-no-mounts
04:05 <+enix> wonder if you can even register these things
04:05 < McDonaldsWiFi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnZ72suLc2A trying to desperately label this style of funk
04:05 <+layer-eight> YouTube Jotan Afanador & Israel Cedeño Jr. DRUM & BASS FUNK GROOVE by 2015-10-01T17:58:44.000Z (duration: 3:55) on Fri Oct 02 00:58:44 UTC 2015, 2015-10-01T17:58:44.000Z views
04:05 < McDonaldsWiFi> I've like to find this style on spotify, face paced drums :o
04:05 < Jay-Ros> McDonaldsWiFi - I'm a big fan of rock and rap from 1997-2002
04:06 < McDonaldsWiFi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmgaXjkHfk4
04:06 <+layer-eight> YouTube MAD BASS SKILLS ! by 2018-01-24T15:00:02.000Z (duration: 4:s) on Wed Jan 24 22:00:02 UTC 2018, 2018-01-24T15:00:02.000Z views
04:06 < McDonaldsWiFi> another good one, love this style
04:06 < McDonaldsWiFi> Think I'm gonna start playing it haha
04:06 < Jay-Ros> anything from Sisqo thong song to Staind - it's been a whil
04:07 < McDonaldsWiFi> yeah I've got a ridiculous range of music too
04:07 < McDonaldsWiFi> especailly some stuff from early 00's.. so much nostalgia xD
04:08 < Jay-Ros> My home courtyard has a bluetooth speaker set around the covered couches... and we take turns hooking up to it and throwing down playlists
04:08 < Jay-Ros> couple of nights ago I took over when I got home, and threw on Unwritten Law - cailin
04:08 < Jay-Ros> and my housemate and friends that were there all went 'hnnnf' at the same time
04:09 < McDonaldsWiFi> xD
04:10 < Jay-Ros> what's everyone working on today?
04:11 < Jay-Ros> (for those in the office)
04:11 < vista> working on the documentation of a new system!
04:11 < hug> I'm looking at bike parts. :P
04:11 < vista> it's 4AM.
04:11 < hug> Why the fuck are bar end mirrosr like $150 a side
04:11 < vista> thing needs to be done before 8AM when the shift starts
04:11 < vista> for a coworker
04:12 <+enix> hug: because you're looking for hipster shit
04:12 < hug> enix: I just want some god damn bar end mirrors
04:12 < vista> oh man, I'll feel like total shit today
04:12 <+enix> hug: I can't decide on a bike man
04:12 < hug> Get a brutale
04:12 <+enix> I'm decided on my harley project for later but right now I really need to get my stunt/commuter sorted for after my six month suspension
04:12 <+enix> nah I was going to go f4i but i've decided against them due to age
04:13 <+enix> but that doesn't leave me with lots of strong-framed stunt friendly options
04:13 < Jay-Ros> hug - the bonneville ones? They're a joke for price
04:13 < hug> enix: get a dr400
04:14 < Jay-Ros> I had my bike repaired after a tumble when a delivery driver changed lanes hug, and the mechanic told me a story
04:14 < hug> Jay-Ros: Yep. I can't even find any that fit the bonneville that are under $100 a side.
04:14 < Jay-Ros> "you see these handlebars? They're like 40 bucks" pointing to a suzuki
04:14 <+enix> hug:  nah i dont like super moto
04:14 < Jay-Ros> points to mine "bonneville ones? 240 for mechanic prices"
04:16 < hug> Yeah. Triumph OEM shit is stupid expensive.
04:16 < hug> But idgaf about OEM.
04:17 <+enix> https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/364580532325784053/
04:17 <+enix> bond villian bike haha
04:17 < Jay-Ros> Ah, I'm determined to keep mine in good nick and sell it stock - the only addition I've got is a flyscreen from the uk
04:17 < hug> Yeah nah not happening for me.
04:17 < hug> :p
04:17 < Jay-Ros> hahah "yeah nah" - love it
04:18 <+enix> Jay-Ros: that means no
04:18 <+enix> anyone ridden a duke 690?
04:18 < hug> Things on my list: replace silencer with exhaust tips, bar end mirrors, wrap headers, replace indicators with short stem, remove fender, headlight guard and 20%/80% offroad/onroad tyres.
04:19 < hug> I've got the panniers fitted but need to get the pannier mount rails powdercoated black.
04:20 <+NinjaStyle> i found a super life saver book recently
04:20 < hug> I took it camping the other week.
04:20 <+NinjaStyle> im going to keep it safe from harm
04:20 < hug> I have a 90l ortleib rolltop waterproof bag.
04:21 < hug> I carried my 4 man tent, 2 sleeping bags, inflatable mattress, camp stove, pot & pan, plates, 2x camping stools, and 2 days worth of food.
04:24 < Jay-Ros> jesus hug that's a little extreme
04:24 < Jay-Ros> what's wrong with a swag and some dry foods for meals?
04:24 <+enix> Jay-Ros: he's vegan
04:24 < hug> ...Have you ever tried to take a 2-person swag on the back of a motorbike?
04:25 < Jay-Ros> nope, just my one-man and my inflatable raft :P
04:25 < hug> Yeah, can't get a double swag on the back of a bike. Doesn't really work. :P
04:25 <+enix> heyo need some windows help ay
04:25 <+NinjaStyle> ayyy
04:25 <+NinjaStyle> windows ayyy
04:26 <+enix> so os x has applescript for creating simple utilities, linux is just cli, what does windows have
04:26 < Jay-Ros> enix - welcome to tech support. this call will be copy-pasted for training purposes
04:26 <+NinjaStyle> powershell
04:26 <+enix> NinjaStyle: with graphical input?
04:26 <+NinjaStyle> sure
04:26 <+enix> i've seen how it does its gui and i hate it
04:26 < Jay-Ros> yup
04:26 < Jay-Ros> enix - we are here to help you fix computer issues, not to calm your soul on the interpretation on what is 'good or bad' for GUIS
04:27 <+enix> I literally just want to create a 'deploy' script to give to techs so that we can have some consistency at client sites
04:27 < Jay-Ros> if you can't get powershell to look pretty, you're not doing a good job
04:27 <+NinjaStyle> program a gui in visual basic
04:27 <+NinjaStyle> to backtrace the ip
04:27 < Jay-Ros> enhnce.
04:27 < Jay-Ros> s/./.ps1
04:27 <+layer-eight> Jay-Ros meant: ".ps1.ps1.ps1.ps1.ps1.ps1.ps1"
04:27 < Jay-Ros> :|
04:28 < DrGibby|> heh
04:28 < SleePy> wait wait wait.. I'm supposed to fix computer issues?  I just pretend they don't exist until people go away
04:28 <+enix> brb poo time and lol
04:28 < Jay-Ros> hahahahahah the thought of mixing poo time and laughing out loud sounds comically funny
04:28 < Jay-Ros> "why is there cackling coming from the men's room"
04:29 <+NinjaStyle> guys i know so much more about android now, i am a god
04:29 < DrGibby|> NinjaStyle is now the Android expert in r-s
04:29 <+NinjaStyle> reddit-androidadmin
04:30 < SleePy> So you know why the cheeseburger was wrong?
04:32 < Jay-Ros> SleePy - I don't fix computer issues as much as I used to
04:32 < Jay-Ros> I design fixes for future potential issues
04:32 < Jay-Ros> Pre-Fonz
04:37 < komugi> enix: natively? powershell
04:38 <+enix> komugi: thanks
04:38 <+enix> bit of a shame but hey what can you do
04:38 < komugi> python/etc works fine
04:38 <@Nostalg14c> Morning.
04:38 < komugi> there are also bat files :D
04:38 <+enix> komugi: I don't know if I want to go down the python route on windows tbh because then that system will need python and libraries installed
04:39 <+enix> I might give visual studio a shot see how intuitive/fun it is, if it helps me I'll use whatever the fuck language i use in that and just google solutions lol
04:39 < komugi> depending on what you want to do, you can probably also use bash on windows
04:39 < komugi> i use visual studio code a lot
04:39 <+enix> Because there's three different applications with a total of around six different base setups possible for each. It'll do basic shit like "create this folder structure", "auto map these folders" etc
04:39 <+enix> "create this startup script"
04:39 < komugi> https://code.visualstudio.com/
04:40 <+enix> But I need it done
04:40 <+enix> looks pretty fun
04:40 < komugi> well, powershell will work fine, abeit a bit slower than bash/etc
04:40 <+enix> oh right so it's an ide for multiple things gotcha
04:40 <+enix> nah the gui in ps is shitty
04:40 <+enix> i dont like how it's programmed
04:40 <+enix> brb though gonna grab food for lunch
04:40 < komugi> what gui? o_O
04:41 <+enix> komugi: i need a gui because this will be given to idiots to install our software with
04:42 < brianx> Sousapro:  i think i may have found the unicorn.  zim.  it uses plain text in a directory tree with custom markup that's still human readable.  handles inserting graphics as files.  i don't see tables or bullet points, but i should be able to do them with tabs as i have been.  it's even in the default debian repos.
04:42 < komugi> enix: https://redmondmag.com/articles/2017/01/27/convert-a-powershell-script-into-an-exe-file.aspx
04:42 < Jay-Ros> ok enix - welcome back. Have you lost weight?
04:42 < Jay-Ros> https://poshgui.com/#
04:42 < Jay-Ros> GUI creator for Powershell. Easy pre-knock up.
04:42 < komugi> that's pretty cool
04:44 < komugi> y'know whats nice about mesh chairs?
04:44 < komugi> your fart goes right through
04:44 < komugi> doesn't trap
04:44 < nohusuro> you mean you don't like sniffing years worth of fart bombs as you sit down?
04:46  * brianx avoids komugi's office.
04:47 <+NinjaStyle> enix: how will it be used to install software?
04:47 <+NinjaStyle> or i guess, how will you allow users to install software using your script securely
04:48 < Jay-Ros> yeah this is a major one for me as well. security on this shit is important
04:48 < Jay-Ros> I'd usually pull a batch file install or gpo
04:48 < Jay-Ros> or, in a better world, app-v or sccm deployment
04:49 < The_Dv8or> bak
04:49 < The_Dv8or> I got fuckin ghosted by a motherfucking inmate
04:50 <+NinjaStyle> the reason i ask, even commercial products do do this correctly
04:50 <+NinjaStyle> and have privesc'd to system using commercial deployment tools
04:50 < ned0> was this a date The_Dv8or?
04:50 < The_Dv8or> no, just a chick I know in the slammer
04:51 < The_Dv8or> she never showed up for hte visit
04:51 < tsarbomba> tl;dr ninjastyle is hax0ring all our systems :(
04:51 < The_Dv8or> but in her defense, the facility apparently sucks the ass in letting inmates know theyre going to have a  visitor
04:51 <+NinjaStyle> tl;dr, dont use viewfinity
04:51 < The_Dv8or> on the bright side, I can prolly use this to guilt her into blowing me
04:57 < Hunterkll>  holy shit
04:57 < Hunterkll> that's baller
04:57 < Hunterkll> Win+Ctrl+Shift+B
04:57 < Hunterkll> just recovered me from a really fucked up situation
04:57 < Hunterkll> hahaha
04:58 < Hunterkll> i've been fuckin' rebooting and hard resetting to fix that shit recently
04:58 < hug> what does that even do
04:59 < hug> Besides temporarily blank my monitors.
04:59 < Hunterkll> Restarts your graphics driver
04:59 <+enix> i like it
04:59 < Hunterkll> without a reboot or a crash
04:59 < hug> Oh, nice.
04:59 < Hunterkll> i have some weird glitch with occasional res change and/or fullscreen game thing going on right now
04:59 < Hunterkll> where it'll black out a shitloasd of windows
04:59 < Hunterkll> i think just pure GDI ones maybe?
04:59 < Hunterkll> GDI/GDI+
04:59 < Hunterkll> well, no, because it affects new CMD too
05:00 < Hunterkll> but it doesn't black out chrome, edge, discord, or the start menu itself when i open it, but it does black out the taskbar
05:00 < Hunterkll> anyway
05:00 < Hunterkll> when i start CS:GO or BF:BC2 (apparently, just found that one out)
05:00 < hug> Oh new windows update has changed ctrl+super+c behaviour.
05:00 < Hunterkll> I could get a pseudo-recovery by restarting BF:BC2 but changing resolution made it go away
05:00 < hug> The shortcut isn't enabled by default anymore.
05:00 < hug> We used to have so many people call up and be like 'help my computer has turned black and white'
05:01 <@Nostalg14c> 'super'?
05:01 < hug> Windows key
05:02 < Hunterkll> super = ?
05:02 < Hunterkll> you mean meta
05:02 < Hunterkll> yea
05:02 < Hunterkll> or alt-gr depending on placement
05:02 < Hunterkll> either way
05:02 < hug> Or super.
05:02 < Hunterkll> never fucking heard that before
05:02 < hug> "Recently "Super key" has become an alternative name for the Windows key when using Linux or BSD operating systems or software that originated on these systems.[1]"
05:02 < Hunterkll> but i've seen alt-gr, meta, etc in linux keymaps, unix keyboards, etc
05:02 < Hunterkll> why do we even need a new term
05:02 < Hunterkll> why
05:03 < hug> It's an old term.
05:03 < Hunterkll> https://deskthority.net/w/images/c/cf/Sun_Type_5_UK.jpg
05:03 < Ayeitzabee> SUPOW!
05:03 < Hunterkll> this has meta, compose, and alt-graph
05:03 < Hunterkll> lol
05:03 < Hunterkll> hug: I have never seen that in .... 17-18 years of configuring linux keymaps
05:03 < Hunterkll> or in that long a time of using UNIX
05:04 < hug> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-cadet_keyboard#/media/File:Space-cadet.jpg
05:04 <@Nostalg14c> lmao
05:04 < Hunterkll> On symbolics keyboards sup0er and meta were separate
05:04 < Hunterkll> and meta had the functionality that todays windows key does
05:04 < Hunterkll> well
05:04 < Hunterkll> close enough
05:04 < Hunterkll> you'd have to use one to see
05:05 < Hunterkll> but super did not exist on IRIX, AIX, HP-UX, NeXTstep, Solaris/SunOS, etc... not on physical workstation keyboards, nor in X/x-like/x-compatible systems, or even in DPS
05:05 < Hunterkll> but yes, go back to a fucking *LISP* machine to find a keyboard reference for it
05:05 < hug> https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=%22Super%20key%22
05:05 < hug> I mean it's literally been a word forever.
05:05 < hug> As long as computers have.
05:06 < Ayeitzabee> That could be referring to the index key in a database but
05:06 < Hunterkll> Sure, but not in XFree86/XOrg (at least, up until 2011), OpenWindows, DisplayPostscript, Windows itself, NeWS, Xsun, etc, nor on their associated keyboard layouts
05:06 < Ayeitzabee> I have heard people call it the "super key" before
05:07 < Hunterkll> why the FUCK
05:07 <+NinjaStyle> same
05:07 < Hunterkll> does ubuntu even have options for mapping the hyper key?
05:07 <+NinjaStyle> i have heard super key before
05:07 <+NinjaStyle> but not often
05:07 < Hunterkll> https://i.stack.imgur.com/ovfp3.png
05:07 < Hunterkll> Hyper is mapped to Win-keys
05:07 < Ayeitzabee> Mostly by people that barely know what they are talking about
05:07 < Hunterkll> who the hell is using lisp, in a lisp-aware terminal, with a keyboard with enough keys, on ubuntu?!?!
05:07 < Hunterkll> ON UBUNTU
05:07 < hug> Hunterkll: xev calls the keypress super.
05:08 < Hunterkll> probably your WM mapping then
05:08 < Hunterkll> because i've always had to use meta or mod mappings
05:08 < Hunterkll> though i haven't hand written a config since 2011
05:08 < Hunterkll> as in, your WM is configured for super instead of meta or mod
05:09 <+CheckYourSix> NinjaStyle: Damn, a new friend I went snowboarding with did 53 mph on his snowboard. One of his friends managed to clock 79mph on a downhill run in Utah. That's just insanity...
05:09 < hug> xmodmap calls it super.
05:09 < Hunterkll> but internally to X11, it's mostly meta/mod because there's 5 mod states in addition to shift/lock/control
05:09 <+NinjaStyle> CheckYourSix: i dont go nearly that fast
05:09 <+NinjaStyle> fuck that
05:09 <+CheckYourSix> Lol me either. I think I run 30 ish
05:10 < Hunterkll> that's hilarious
05:10 <+NinjaStyle> oh i talked to the guy at Evo, he said to buy in June/July
05:10 < hug> gnome.org calls it the super key.
05:10 <+CheckYourSix> I bought 2 boards/bindings off my cousin for $150 total
05:10 <+NinjaStyle> nice
05:10 <+CheckYourSix> And my boots were on sale at $230 instead of $330 retail
05:10 < Hunterkll> hug: and yet, in 2005, I would have configured it as Meta_R/Meta_L for usage in KDE 3.x
05:10 <+CheckYourSix> I highly recommend DC Judge boots. They're amazingly comfortable
05:10 < Hunterkll> It seems to have shifted in common usage at some point
05:11 <+NinjaStyle> why are you guys still arguing about the super key
05:11 <+NinjaStyle> CheckYourSix: yeah i am gonna go in june and just try shit on
05:11 < Hunterkll> hug: but what xmodmap shows you is all distro-specific or DE derived modmap settings from a slew of different possible things
05:11 < hug> Hunterkll: https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ucs/keysymdef.h
05:11 <+NinjaStyle> CheckYourSix: after a-basin closes i will go
05:11 < hug> keysymdef.h calls it super.
05:11 < hug> I dunno what to tell you, man. It's been called super *forever*.
05:11 <+CheckYourSix> NinjaStyle: Just FYI, if you go with DC at all, go 1 size up from your normal shoe size. They run small
05:11 < Hunterkll> funny, emacs has always used left windows key as meta
05:11 <+CheckYourSix> I had to get a size 13 instead of a size 12
05:12 <+NinjaStyle> CheckYourSix: im too scared to buy online for that reason
05:12 <+NinjaStyle> im gonna buy in store
05:12 <+CheckYourSix> Amazon was great. Free returns
05:12 <+NinjaStyle> boots are the most important part
05:12 < hug> Hunterkll: Hard to call emacs more authoritative than X.
05:12 < Hunterkll> hug: For whiat it's worth, the modifiers are Left/Right alt, left/right super, left/right meta, and left/right hyper
05:12 <+abakedapplepie> generally, online shoe retailers are very forgiving with regards t size exchanges
05:12 <+NinjaStyle> i wanna get a board and bindings too but i really dont care that much as long as it is a camber board
05:12 < Hunterkll> hug: that ain't the default scan codes
05:12 < hug> I wonder if super and meta map to the same thing.
05:13 < Hunterkll> Configurable in your modmap
05:13 <+CheckYourSix> NinjaStyle: Why camber over rocker? Curious. Also, good slap ratchet bindings ++++
05:13 <+NinjaStyle> CheckYourSix: im glad you found good ones online, i like DC as a general brand
05:13 < hug> But if you map something in xmodmap as Super, it'll map to the "windows key".
05:13 < hug> This conversation is kinda pointless.
05:13 < Hunterkll> hug: an example distro xmodmaprc has meta and hyper configured, but not super, for example
05:13 < Hunterkll> eh
05:13 <+NinjaStyle> CheckYourSix: because rocker is hard to carve on, and is generally easier to ride, i hear more ideal for powder
05:13 <+CheckYourSix> My friend bought them and was raving about them. I tried K2 and Soloman in the same class ($300+ price range) and they just didn't do it for me
05:13 < Hunterkll> you linked keycode definitions, not scancode to keycode mapping
05:13 < Hunterkll> :P
05:14 < hug> It's pretty clear that super is a perfectly cromulent word for the "windows key".
05:14 <+CheckYourSix> Ah makes sense
05:14 < hug> And it's clear that it has been used that way for decades.
05:14 < Hunterkll> hug: and up until 2010-2011 that's not what was used in many configuration files
05:14 < Hunterkll> I bet you it came into hjeavier use when it came to setxkbmap instead of xmodmap
05:14 < Hunterkll> for whatever reason
05:14 < Hunterkll> probably ubuntu
05:16 < hug> Hunterkll: gnome has been calling it that for as long as I remember.
05:16 < Hunterkll> I was only ever really a gnome user on Solaris
05:16 < Hunterkll> :/
05:17 < Hunterkll> KDE & Fluxbox/blackbox for me
05:17 < Hunterkll> and the latter two almost all manual configuraiton
05:18 < hug> Hunterkll: From wikipedia, so possibly grain of salt, but "In KDE Plasma documentation it is called the Meta key even though the X11 "Super" shift bit is used"
05:18 < Hunterkll> i fucking hate plasma get that shit away from me
05:18 < Hunterkll> bet you that shit uses setkbdmap or whatever too
05:18  * Casteil puts plasma under Hunterkll's pillow
05:18 < Hunterkll> hug: According to this archaic usenet post the default xmodmap for XFree 3.3.3 on FreeBSD in 1999 had Meta_L and Meta_R as Mod1 for X11 control, Num_Lock as Mod2, mod3 as blank, mod4 as alt_l and mode_switch, and mod5 as scroll_lock
05:18 < Hunterkll> so HAH
05:18 < Hunterkll> there
05:18 < Hunterkll> the only reason I typed that was because it was so archic and specific that it was funny
05:19 < Hunterkll> god damn fucking emacs nerds really document the fuck out of everything
05:19 < Hunterkll> holy fuck
05:20 < hug> Wait
05:20 < hug> mod1 isn't super
05:20 < hug> is it?
05:20 < Hunterkll> Mod1 is whatever the application interprets it to be
05:20 < Hunterkll> in that specific configuration, it was Meta_L and Meta_R which scan to the windows keys on the keybord in that config
05:21 <+enix> the inconsistency here pisses me right the fuck off
05:21 < Hunterkll> enix, blame symbolics in 1980
05:21 < Hunterkll> and uh
05:21 <+enix> we have multiple "start scripts" to start our software; a few of them create network locations, others create local disks referencing a folder on the C drive
05:21 <+enix> Fucking meta keys man
05:22 <+enix> If it wasnt for the hyper/super debate we wouldn't have these problems
05:22 < Hunterkll> again
05:22 < Hunterkll> that one you can blame symbolics
05:22 <+enix> s/hunterkll/symbolics
05:22 <+enix> s/hunterkll/symbolics
05:22 < Hunterkll> you sir, are an idiot
05:23 <+enix> layer-eight: hello?
05:23 <+enix> s/again/penis
05:23 <+layer-eight> Hunterkll meant: "penis"
05:23 <+enix> hm.
05:23 <+enix> s/hunterkll/hunterkll
05:23 < Hunterkll> hug: i'm waiting for him to realize his mistake
05:23 < hug> He's not *usually* this dumb.
05:23 <+enix> s/notepad++/penisland
05:24 <+enix> s/notepad/penisland
05:24 < hug> s/symbolics/enix
05:24 <+layer-eight> Hunterkll meant: "that one you can blame enix"
05:24 < Hunterkll> damnit
05:24 < Hunterkll> i wanted to see how long it'd take
05:24 <+enix> looks like layer-eight has limited scope
05:24 < hug> enix: wat
05:24 < Hunterkll> enix, no, you're just an idiot this time
05:24 <+enix> Hunterkll: no I actually meant what I said
05:24 < Hunterkll> hug: I step back
05:24 <+enix> So I wanted to replace the time someone said your name with symbolics to see what came up
05:25 < Hunterkll> but you tried
05:25 < Hunterkll> like 2902835902835 times
05:25 <+enix> s/Hunterkll/hug
05:25 <+layer-eight> enix meant: "hug: no I actually meant what I said"
05:25 <+enix> okay he does names
05:25 <+enix> but i think he only keeps like 50 messages in his buffer
05:25 <+enix> or log or whatever
05:25 <+enix> because if i do...
05:25 <+enix> s/xmodmap/penis
05:25 <+layer-eight> Hunterkll meant: "hug: According to this archaic usenet post the default penis for XFree 3.3.3 on FreeBSD in 1999 had Meta_L and Meta_R as Mod1 for X11 control, Num_Lock as Mod2, mod3 as blank, mod4 as alt_l and mode_switch, and mod5 as scroll_lock"
05:25 <+enix> okay maybe a little older than that but whatever.
05:27 < technonerd> s/surface/penis
05:32 < Virtual-Potato> .bofh
05:32 <+layer-eight> Virtual-Potato, BOFH says: bugs in the RAID
05:34 < Ayeitzabee> s/RAID/spaghetti
05:34 < Ayeitzabee> Awww
05:34 < Virtual-Potato> .bofh
05:34 <+layer-eight> Virtual-Potato, BOFH says: the xy axis in the trackball is coordinated with the summer soltice
05:37 <+NinjaStyle> i need to get better at vim and bash shortcuts
05:38 <+NinjaStyle> i have a coworker who puts my skills to shame
05:38 < Hunterkll> it's simple
05:38 < Hunterkll> use linux since age 11
05:38 <+NinjaStyle> i did, but was noob most of the time i used it
05:39 < Hunterkll> oh... i bought suse linux....
05:39 < Hunterkll> came with a fat manual
05:39 < Hunterkll> from how to install alongside dual boot windows easier than ubuntu is in 2018
05:39 < Hunterkll> to HOW TO MAKE UR OWN FEKKIN KERNEL & XF86 CONFIG
05:39 < Hunterkll> and support too
05:39 < Hunterkll> :o
05:40 <+NinjaStyle> there are so many bash tricks i just dont use =/
05:40 < kepler> i use WSL on windows for bash related stuff, if i HAVE to use windows
05:40 < Virtual-Potato> why are you using vim?
05:41 < Virtual-Potato> what's wrong with 'echo "Some code you want to add" >> script.sh'
05:41 < Hunterkll> you don't use ed for everything?
05:42 < Virtual-Potato> you mean sed?
05:42 < Hunterkll> .... oh my god
05:42 < xe0n> just had my performance review
05:42 <+NinjaStyle> o, just learned about the fc command
05:42 < Hunterkll> xe0n, how'd you do mr steinberg?
05:42 <+NinjaStyle> that neat
05:42 < Hunterkll> Virtual-Potato, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_(text_editor)
05:42 < Virtual-Potato> nah nano
05:43 < xe0n> can't complain, they scored me higher than I scored myself
05:43 < xe0n> which means payyyriiisssseeee
05:43 < xe0n> :D
05:43 < Hunterkll> lol
05:43 <+NinjaStyle> i found some shit today i am not allowed to tell you all about, so that is near
05:43 <+NinjaStyle> neat*
05:43 < Hunterkll> NinjaStyle, oh you found out about the fat neckbeard redditors actually being scared aliens the whole time thing?
05:44 < Hunterkll> they already made that public: https://www.reddit.com/r/WritingPrompts/comments/89gi5z/wp_humans_are_the_most_social_creatures_in_the/
05:44 < Virtual-Potato> NinjaStyle, what do you mean? Like some stuff that will be in the news soon?
05:44 <+NinjaStyle> maybe
05:44 <+NinjaStyle> really depends how this week plays out
05:45 < Hunterkll> FUCK
05:45 < Hunterkll> SHUT DOWN THE CHANNEL
05:45 < Virtual-Potato> NinjaStyle, I hope you've already responsibly disclosed this
05:45 < Hunterkll> NinjaStyle GOT FLIPPED BY MUELLER
05:45 <+NinjaStyle> Virtual-Potato: its part of a pentest so i mean
05:45 <+NinjaStyle> kinda
05:46 < Hunterkll> "by the way, you elft your credit card numbers for your P cards and a shitload of classified missile designs in amazon S3 again"
05:46 <+NinjaStyle> Hunterkll: D:
05:46 <+NinjaStyle> lol
05:46 < Virtual-Potato> p cards?
05:46 < Hunterkll> Virtual-Potato, corporate credit cards for purcahsing things
05:46 < Hunterkll> purchasing cards
05:46 <+NinjaStyle> i wish it easy like that
05:47 < Hunterkll> NinjaStyle, microsoft violating GPDR already by exfiltrating all data directly to NSA over faecbook's transoceanic cables?
05:47 <+NinjaStyle> s/it /it was /
05:47 <+layer-eight> NinjaStyle meant: "i wish it was easy like that"
05:47 <+NinjaStyle> i'll let you all know when you watch my talk at blackhat
05:47 < Hunterkll> lol
05:47 <+NinjaStyle> lol
05:47 < Hunterkll> no blackhat for me
05:47 < Hunterkll> no company paying for it
05:47 < Hunterkll> so
05:47 < Virtual-Potato> NinjaStyle, when are you talking
05:47 < Hunterkll> lol
05:48 <+NinjaStyle> Virtual-Potato: i'm not, but i might get to based on this
05:48 < Hunterkll> Virtual-Potato, at the after party in my suite in caesars
05:48 < Hunterkll> duh
05:48 < Hunterkll> :p
05:48 < tsarbomba> ninjastyle is doing a ted talk on how to shred mountains while being the best redhat in existence
05:48 < Virtual-Potato> oh shit that must mean it's a GOOD one
05:48 <+NinjaStyle> its more just really interesting than really technically new
05:49 <+NinjaStyle> but there are currently legal issues that we are fighting with atm
05:49 <+NinjaStyle> when that is over we will know if we can do a talk on it
05:50 < Virtual-Potato> Legal issues like they're trying to prevent you from making this public knowledge?
05:51 < DrGibby|> hi folks
05:51 <+NinjaStyle> im trying to decide how much is too much sharing, but mostly it is contract related atm
05:51 < Hunterkll> NinjaStyle, hey at least you're not doing a talk on hacking mcarren airport at defcon
05:51 < Hunterkll> :p
05:52 <+NinjaStyle> that's what skytalks is for :)
05:52 < DrGibby|> oh no..
05:52 < Hunterkll> oh that was years ago
05:53 < Hunterkll> mccarren left their internal CMS open to the 'net
05:53 <+NinjaStyle> yikes
05:53 < Hunterkll> dude got VPN access, baggage routing abilities, employee schedules, etc
05:53 < DrGibby|> have neither of you been to the afterparties?
05:53 < Hunterkll> valid vpn credentials
05:53 < Hunterkll> hahahah
05:53 <+NinjaStyle> DrGibby|: which ones?
05:53 < Hunterkll> yea
05:53 < Hunterkll> i've been to a few
05:53 < Hunterkll> not last year though
05:53 < Hunterkll> too busy racking up roulette winnings
05:53 < DrGibby|> NinjaStyle: that was going to be my question
05:53 <+NinjaStyle> i think 303 was my only defcon afterparty last year
05:53 < DrGibby|> :O
05:54 < DrGibby|> R7?
05:54 <+NinjaStyle> i did a couple bh after parties too
05:54 <+NinjaStyle> yeah i did r7
05:54 < DrGibby|> or speaker?
05:54 <+NinjaStyle> nah i wasnt a speaker
05:55 < DrGibby|> I have, legit, 30 badges, from different parties I didn't attend
05:55 <+NinjaStyle> r7 is easy, you just need to get access to the BH vendor area
05:55 < DrGibby|> I need to find them or so
05:55 <+NinjaStyle> i had a cisco badge but never went
05:55 < Hunterkll> lol
05:55 < Hunterkll> i dunno
05:55 < Hunterkll> i just got a 1050sq ft suite to host some low key shit if i want too
05:55 < Hunterkll> dunno
05:56 <+NinjaStyle> i got a hotel for defcon, pretty excited
05:56 < Hunterkll> same
05:56 <+NinjaStyle> i got a house for blackhat that my work is renting
05:56 < Hunterkll> but it's a 1050 sq ft suite with a dining/lounge area
05:56 < Hunterkll> :p
05:56 < Hunterkll> https://i.imgur.com/p39Mkoc.png
05:56 < Hunterkll> guess we should get a stripper pole or two
05:57 < Hunterkll> for it
05:57 <+NinjaStyle> im gonna be at BH training for 4 days so i will be in vegas for like 1.5 weeks
05:57 < Foztah> niiiice
05:57 < DrGibby|> cisco is also p easy to get into
05:57 <+NinjaStyle> DrGibby|: yeah that one is just a line too
05:57 < Hunterkll> Foztah, it was free
05:57 < Hunterkll> ;P
05:57 < Hunterkll> but yea
05:57 < Foztah> ;D
05:57 <+NinjaStyle> im gonna get r7 probably and say fuck the other BH after parties
05:57 < DrGibby|> there was one, I cant remember, that literally had a fucking bouncer
05:57 < Hunterkll> lol
05:57 <+NinjaStyle> i went to one last year and it had DJ jazzy playing lol
05:57 < Hunterkll> we shut one of those down at an anime convention
05:58 < DrGibby|> we were trashed at that point
05:58 < Hunterkll> had the burlesque girls dancing in the room, brought portable stripper poles, was charging a fucking cover charge
05:58 < DrGibby|> had the badges and got in
05:58 < Hunterkll> only problem
05:58 < Hunterkll> it was a provided staff room
05:58 < Hunterkll> not an attendee with a wicked suite
05:58 < Hunterkll> lol
05:58 <+NinjaStyle> i snuck a buddy into r7 last year
05:58 < DrGibby|> r7 is always with the strippers iirc
05:58 <+NinjaStyle> passed a badge over the ropes
05:59 < Hunterkll> lol
05:59 < hug> > after parties with IT security people
05:59 < hug> no thanks.
05:59 <+NinjaStyle> r7 was just a huge club, it was at hakkasan
05:59 <+NinjaStyle> or however its spelled
05:59 < Hunterkll> yea
05:59 <+NinjaStyle> hug: a lot of women go to these things too
05:59 < Hunterkll> i have a room 8/7 to 8/12
05:59 < Hunterkll> for that suite
05:59 < hug> I'
05:59 < Hunterkll> checkout sunday
05:59 < Hunterkll> painful checkout i'm sure
05:59 <+NinjaStyle> hug: marketing, HR, recruiting is pretty female dominated
06:00 < hug> Uhm. Yes. Women go to things. I am aware.
06:00 < Hunterkll> NinjaStyle, who was it that flys out the strippers from washington state to las vegas?
06:00 <+NinjaStyle> so its not a bunch of neckbeards
06:00 <+NinjaStyle> Hunterkll: lol idk
06:00 < DrGibby|> Shit has changed since I went to BH/DEFCON
06:00 < Hunterkll> NinjaStyle, yea someone used to fly out strippers
06:00 < Hunterkll> it's like
06:00 < Hunterkll> watfk
06:00 < DrGibby|> R7 always had chicks
06:00 < Hunterkll> las vegas not good enough for you ?
06:00 < DrGibby|> like... willing to do whatever
06:01 <+NinjaStyle> lol
06:01 < Hunterkll> "whatever"
06:01 <+NinjaStyle> its true, vegas is probably the stripper capital of the world
06:01 < DrGibby|> that was their gimmick
06:01 < DrGibby|> "buy our shit bc they did "something""
06:01 < Hunterkll> i mean it's pretty much in 'how to get sales 101'
06:02 < Hunterkll> 'give blowjobs and try not to get caught'
06:02 <+NinjaStyle> hm i havent seen anything like that going down
06:02 <+NinjaStyle> but we get into shenanigans so
06:02 <+NinjaStyle> try to sneak in to the hakkasan elevators to get to the roof and shit
06:03 <+NinjaStyle> there was an upper balcony we couldnt get to last year we thought it would be fun to mini red team our way in
06:03 < DrGibby|> the speaker party is where its at btw
06:03 <+NinjaStyle> DrGibby|: i bet, i havent been a speaker before
06:03 < DrGibby|> ya know the stupid suite they filmed Hangover in?
06:04 <+NinjaStyle> yeahye
06:04 < DrGibby|> I swam-- unintentionally-- in that pool
06:04 < Hunterkll> wonder if i can get a better room
06:04 <+NinjaStyle> Hunterkll: get me one
06:04 < Hunterkll> lol
06:04 < DrGibby|> also, its a golf green when they want to cover the three of them
06:06 < Hunterkll> eh
06:06 < Hunterkll> only a smaller suite available
06:06 < Hunterkll> oh well
06:07 < Hunterkll> wish i could tie on that free $500 offer there
06:07 < Hunterkll> but that's not for that month so oh well
06:08 < Hunterkll> however, if i do get a good offer, since this free suite is just a 'normal' reservation i could still do it... hmmm
06:09 < DrGibby|> my beer box is empty
06:09 < DrGibby|> why
06:09 < Gencade> DrGibby|, cuz you're an alcoholic
06:10 < DrGibby|> yeah
06:10 < DrGibby|> thanks Gencade
06:10 < DrGibby|> good reminder why I should end it
06:10 < Gencade> you shoudlnt
06:10 < Gencade> ending it is for pussies
06:11 < DrGibby|> Gencade: because of people like you
06:11 < Gencade> If you wanna kill yourself because of any words someone says to you, you might be a lil bitch
06:11 <+enix> Gencade: no you 100% a little bitch
06:11 < Gencade> nope
06:12 < Ayeitzabee> Aye bitch fight!
06:12 <+NinjaStyle> ayyyyyy
06:13 < Ayeitzabee> $20 on Gencade
06:17 <+NinjaStyle> boop
06:18 < Gencade> bop
06:19 < kuahara> I could probably use one of those drinks.  Beginning a job transition without a definite start date on the new job because it's the right thing to do.  And keeping my fingers crossed that I don't get burned at the current job for it.
06:20 < xe0n> huh? so you've signed a letter of offer, and it didn't have a start date
06:21 < kuahara> No.  The new company hiring process is a little weird.  It requires licensure and technically you're indepedent, but it's still W2.  So you get "hired", complete a few online pre-reqs, new hire orientation, and you're essentially on the roster
06:22 < kuahara> but then you have to wait for the assignment to become available.  Once you're in, you're in year round.
06:22 < Virtual-Potato> that sounds weird as fuck
06:22 < xe0n> ^
06:22 < Virtual-Potato> are you sure it's a legit company
06:22 < kuahara> It is. When the assignment comes up, they call and you're either available or not available.  There's no, "let me give my 2 weeks and I'll be there".
06:22 < kuahara> yea. A friend of mine has been there two and a half years.
06:23 < kuahara> I love my current job. It's awesome and I work for an awesome company.  I'm told at the new job, I'll want to blow my brains out every few weeks, but it's a 300% pay increase over where I'm at now, so I can't walk away from it.
06:25 < Virtual-Potato> Idk if I'd be okay with wanting to kill myself every few weeks for a 300% raise... Sounds like a good recipe for rapid-onset alcoholism
06:26 < Virtual-Potato> can't use the money if you're dead, y'know?
06:26 < kuahara> The money is attractive.  I'm doing it because I trust the guy that's bringing me in.  We worked together in the past for two years at AT&T.  Says he already knows I'd be good at it or he wouldn't have asked, otherwise he wouldn't put his name on this job recommendation.
06:27 < kuahara> The whole situation is attractive really.  I want to spend more time overseas.  I love being in the Philippines.  After a year or two, my plan is to turn down assignments and spend time away.  You can turn down and assignment and pick up another a few months later if you want the time.
06:27 < kuahara> s/and/an/
06:27 <+layer-eight> kuahara meant: "The whole situation is attractive really.  I want to spend more time overseas.  I love being in the Philippines.  After a year or two, my plan is to turn down assignments an spend time away.  You can turn down an assignment an pick up another a few months later if you want the time."
06:27 < kuahara> bad bot
06:28 < Virtual-Potato> ... there's three occurrences of the word 'and' and yet you're blaming the bot?
06:29 < Virtual-Potato> it did exactly what you told it to do - replace the first occurrence
06:29 < kuahara> it replaced all occurrences.
06:29 <@JollyRgrs> it's an assumed /g for the bot
06:29 < Virtual-Potato> oh yeah I didn't notice
06:29 <@JollyRgrs> s/ / der her
06:29 <+layer-eight> Virtual-Potato meant: "oh der heryeah der herI der herdidn't der hernotice"
06:30 <@JollyRgrs> oops, forgot trailing slash, you get the point :P
06:30 < kuahara> I lol'd
06:30 < Virtual-Potato> s/ /derp/
06:30 <+layer-eight> kuahara meant: "Iderplol'd"
06:46 < xe0n> could someone download ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/hpdm/Software/4.7/HP_Device_Manager-4.7SP8.zip and re-upload for me? damn download also times out :\
06:46 < tsarbomba> goddamnit i've been spoiled by the forward/back rocker switch on my last wireless mouse]
06:47 < tsarbomba> i'm using the same exact mouse except with no rocker switch and i keep going for the nonexistent "back" button with my thumb
06:47 < Hunterkll> w00t
06:48 < Hunterkll> fucking CLOSE
06:48 < Hunterkll> https://imgur.com/O3egECM
06:52 < kuahara> sure
06:53 < kuahara> heh, what a crappy FTP server.
06:53 < kuahara> uploading it now
06:55 < Ayeitzabee> God ol' hp ftp servers
06:57 < xe0n> thanks kuahara, yeah it has some horrible time out on it.
06:57 < xe0n> if only i could pull it down using HPSM, but nooo
06:57 < xe0n> lol
06:59 < nojeffrey> if Im doing a dcpromo(demote) for a failing DC, do you run this dcpromo from the PDC or can you run it from the failing one?>
06:59 < xe0n> failing one
06:59 < xe0n> what's failing about it?
06:59 < nojeffrey> bsod every ~24 hoours
07:00 < nojeffrey> thanks
07:02 < kuahara> kuahara.com\HP_Device_Manager-4.7SP8.zip
07:02 < kuahara> kuahara.com\HP_Device_Manager-4.7SP8.zip.MD5
07:09 < kuahara> have to run, but send me a PM when you're done with that
07:10 < xe0n> cheers dude, will do
07:11 < xe0n> nojeffrey: ah yeah, that's a good reason to piss it off haha
07:14 < nojeffrey> uninstalled everything, done that windbg debugging with the memory.dmp files, something to do with memory
07:15 < Ayeitzabee> s/k/http://
07:15 <+layer-eight> kuahara meant: "http:uahara.com\HP_Device_Manager-4.7SP8.zip.MD5"
07:15 < Ayeitzabee> Fug
07:15 < Ayeitzabee> s/ku/http://ku
07:15 <+layer-eight> kuahara meant: "http:ahara.com\HP_Device_Manager-4.7SP8.zip"
07:15 < Ayeitzabee> Ok well I will go fuck myself
07:18 < Adagio> Ugh, I am so close to figureing out this OpenVPN shite
07:18 < kuahara> s/ku/http:\/\/ku/
07:18 < Adagio> Yet so far [figuring]
07:18 < kuahara> I think is the right way to escape that, just fyi
07:35 < Ayeitzabee> God I have been staring at the same screen all day and it is making me mental DDDD:
07:40 < xe0n> loll so we're getting a new telephony system
07:40 < xe0n> i asked the vendor "so what's the deal with windows updates on the appliance?"
07:41 < xe0n> "oh thats all managed automaticall" me: soo you mean just let them pull down from the internet in patch week.... "yeah, pretty much"
07:41 < xe0n> hehhhhh
07:43 < nojeffrey> WSUS should have an option, auto approve after X days
07:43 < xe0n> nojeffrey: dude, i dont auto approve updates lol, wsus is fine, but i manually push to test rings etc..
07:43 < xe0n> i'm not fussed about putting it onto our WSUS, it was more their response
07:44 < nojeffrey> heh I know, just musing
07:44 < xe0n> oh lolll felw over my head, one of those days..
07:45 < xe0n> flew*
07:45 < nojeffrey> it could be read either way
07:49 < nojeffrey> It would somewhat solve the problems most orgs have of MS pushing out an update and breaking shit
07:49 < nojeffrey> I wonder if there's powershell cmdlets to hook into wsus to control this
07:58 < xe0n> nojeffrey: plenty of wsus cmdlets, just need to set your groups, blah blah up and it works fine
08:07 < humpaxx> Good morning folks
08:07 < humpaxx> Yesterday i figured out how to use a powershell runspace inside c# \o/
08:08 < Gencade> yolo
08:08 < Ayeitzabee> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
08:08 < Gencade> BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB
08:09 < humpaxx> DDDDD
08:17 < Ayeitzabee> humpaxx, Ya fucked up
08:18 < humpaxx> Ayeitzabee: ah nah bru im all about the binary. A,B,D,H,P  etc
08:19 < humpaxx> Ayeitzabee: why are you yelling AAAAAA tho? Something wrong?
08:19  * Ayeitzabee beep boop
08:19 < Ayeitzabee> 01100111 01101111 00100000 01100110 01110101 01100011 01101011 00100000 01111001 01101111 01110101 01110010 01110011 01100101 01101100 01100110
08:20 < Ayeitzabee> :D
08:20 < Ayeitzabee> humpaxx, I am still alive that is what is wrong
08:22 < mrWhiteMD> hello
08:22 < mrWhiteMD> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OFOZQ6pMGo
08:22 <+layer-eight> YouTube Tears for Fears - Everybody Wants to Rule the World (Full Video) by 2013-08-11T22:49:41.000Z (duration: 4:32) on Mon Aug 12 05:49:41 UTC 2013, 2013-08-11T22:49:41.000Z views
08:33 < ceofreak> moin
08:39 < vader-> hola
08:40 < plop> morning
08:40 < vader-> hows it going?
08:40 < plop> good enough. you?
08:40 < vader-> im on the right side of the ground
08:41 < plop> are you sure?
08:41 < vader-> it's questionable some days
08:41 < ceofreak> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTidn2dBYbY&feature=youtu.be
08:41 <+layer-eight> YouTube David Hasselhoff - True Survivor (from Kung Fury) by 2015-04-16T16:00:01.000Z (duration: 4:04) on Thu Apr 16 23:00:01 UTC 2015, 2015-04-16T16:00:01.000Z views
08:41 < ceofreak> Let's start the day off right
08:41 < vader-> im suffering from some serious insomnia the last few weeks
08:41 < vader-> i have bad sleeping habits in general
08:41 < ceofreak> vader- welcome to my world
08:41 < vader-> but lately it's been terrible
08:42 < ceofreak> couldn't sleep until 3am today
08:42 < vader-> it is almost 3AM... i fell asleep at 8PM - 1AM
08:42 < vader-> i fall asleep when i shouldn't
08:42 < vader-> if im on the couch watching TV I can zonk right out
08:43 < vader-> if i goto bed i am wide awake
08:43 < ceofreak> hm
08:43 < vader-> im tired all day, and wide awake all night
08:43 < ceofreak> what you eat?
08:43 < vader-> varies, doesn't seem to matter if i eat healthy, eat poorly, drink coffee, don't drink coffee
08:44 < ceofreak> Hah, so youre the same like me :p We are fucked
08:44 < vader-> if i can eventually fall asleep in bed, i don't get up for like 12-14 hours
08:44 < vader-> especially on the weekends
08:44 < ceofreak> well, at least
08:44 < vader-> so i end up getting up at like 3-4PM and then im up till like 3-4AM
08:45 < vader-> last weekend was bad, i was up till like 6-7AM
08:45 < ceofreak> Did you try taking CBD oil and smoking weed?
08:45 < vader-> easter was brutal because by the time i fell asleep i had to get back up
08:45 < vader-> can't because of work :-/
08:45 < vader-> i was taking melatonin, but i found that i was super drowsy the next day
08:45 < ceofreak> Well, obviously you cant sleep because of work
08:45 < ceofreak> question is whats better
08:46 < ceofreak> yeah melatonin sucks
08:46 < ceofreak> do sport?
08:46 < vader-> no im out of shape at the moment
08:46 < ceofreak> there you have it
08:46 < vader-> about 100lbs heavier than i should be
08:46 < ceofreak> ^
08:46 < ceofreak> your reason right there
08:46 < vader-> ive been adding some cardio into my daily routine lately
08:46 < ceofreak> which also means your nutrition is poor
08:47 < ceofreak> fuck cardio
08:47 < ceofreak> go do some lifting
08:48 < Ayeitzabee> s/nutrition is poor/a bitch
08:48 <+layer-eight> ceofreak meant: "which also means your a bitch"
08:48 < ceofreak> If you clean up your nutrition and go lift a couple times a week you will feel better
08:48 < Ayeitzabee> :O
08:48 < ceofreak> i guarantee
08:48 < ceofreak> lol
08:48 < vader-> im sure
08:48  * Ayeitzabee has never been to a gyn
08:48 < vader-> i need to schedule some blood work and go get an MRI/cat scan done
08:48 < Ayeitzabee> fuck
08:48 < Ayeitzabee> gmy*
08:48 < vader-> i think i have serious gallstones
08:48 < Ayeitzabee> omg
08:49 < Ayeitzabee> I think I have a brain tumor wassup
08:49 < ceofreak> ^
08:49 < vader-> i might have that too
08:49 < ceofreak> Google it
08:50 < Ayeitzabee> Google says I have 2 hours left to live
08:50 < ceofreak> better make the best of it
08:50 < ceofreak> go punch your boss
08:50 < Ayeitzabee> Nah I like my boss,
08:50 < Ayeitzabee> I will find my ex
08:51 < ceofreak> Better be fast
08:51 < Atro> IT IS WEDNESDAY MY DEETS
08:51 < Atro> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
08:51 < ceofreak> sup atro
08:51 < vader-> i need to find more work... any of your places hiring for remote people?
08:52 < Atro> ceofreak: im stuck in the caffeine hell : cant sleep, need coffee to stay awake
08:52 < ceofreak> we were talkinga bout this just now
08:52 < ceofreak> I'm there too
08:52 < Ayeitzabee> I nearly passed out on my desk today
08:52 < vader-> a few years ago i was drinking "Jet Fuel" coffee
08:52 < vader-> i had to detox from coffee for weeks
08:53 < vader-> shit was sooo strong
08:53 < Atro> i just made another quad espresso
08:53 < Atro> SLEEP IS FOR THE WEAK
08:53 < ceofreak> Talking about coffee
08:53 < ceofreak> I'm here 25 minutes
08:53 < ceofreak> need my second
08:53 < ceofreak> brb
08:53 < Atro> jk, im actually drinking overly infused black tea
08:54 < Ayeitzabee> Just have a tug, that will relax you :D
08:54 < ceofreak> how is that atro
08:54 < ceofreak> I should switch too
08:54 < ceofreak> but coffee tastes so much better than fucking tea
08:54 < Ayeitzabee> ^
08:54 < Ayeitzabee> God 6 minutes left
08:54 < Ayeitzabee> sos
08:54 < Atro> ceofreak: get a proper english breakfast, like not-bagged tea
08:55 < Atro> buy empty tea bags
08:55 < ceofreak> yes
08:55 < Atro> overdose accordingly
08:55 < Atro> let to infuse 1h
08:55 < Atro> ????
08:55 < ceofreak> 1h?
08:55 < Atro> PROFIT
08:55 < Atro> or 30mins
08:55 < ceofreak> I can only imagine the taste
08:55 < ceofreak> "otherworldly"
08:55 < Atro> well you need approximately half a kilo of sugar to reduce the bitterness
08:55 < Ayeitzabee> Speaking of taste, I have half a sub waiting in the car for me <#
08:55 < Ayeitzabee> <3
08:55 < Atro> cuzs its more bitter than ur ex
08:56 < ceofreak> I see
08:56 < ceofreak> sugar is the devil
08:56 < ceofreak> god fuck i dont want to do anything this week at all
08:57 < vader-> so now im sitting here looking at 3AM, im wide awake... But I know that by 6-7AM im going to start to fade... If i decide to stay up the whole day, ill probably fall asleep in my chair, or ill end up falling asleep sometime in the afternoon and the process will repeat itself... #uhg
08:58 < Ayeitzabee> Get some sleeping pills
08:58 < Ayeitzabee> Or better yet, whisky
08:58 < Atro> ceofreak: use honey
08:58 < Atro> Ayeitzabee: tried booze, no work
08:59 < Ayeitzabee> Atro, Obviously there wasn't enough booze :D
08:59 < Ayeitzabee> 1. more. minute
08:59 < Atro> Ayeitzabee: booze reduces time-to-sleep, but also reduces quality
08:59 < Ayeitzabee> Have to find the right booze/sleep ratio
09:00 < Ayeitzabee> Alright I am out fuckers
09:00 < vader-> any of you guys have a creative way you are managing your email accounts? I am just getting crushed with bullshit stuff...
09:01 < Atro> vader-: yeah, filters into trashcan
09:01 < ceofreak> booze is not helping your sleep at all
09:01 < ceofreak> the opposite
09:02 < Atro> ceofreak: also some people like bitter tea
09:02 < Atro> but remember that : bagged tea is designed to be shit
09:02 < ceofreak> ofc  I know that
09:03 < ceofreak> I drink Yerba Mate usually or Purh Eh
09:08 < Atro> i need a tea timer
09:10 < ceofreak> I want to do a interesting project
09:10 < Atro> i wanna fuckin die
09:10 < ceofreak> ahahahha
09:11 < ceofreak> Hows the weather over there?
09:11 < Atro> 14C sunny
09:11 < ceofreak> should be warmer than here
09:13 < ceofreak> PC Building Simulator
09:13 < ceofreak> oO
09:14 < OMenor> Hello
09:14 < ceofreak> hi
09:23 < vader-> i wish appleMail had templates and send later functionality
09:52 < Reverend> how is an email client ever going to send letters.
10:05 < L3gacy> morning
10:06  * L3gacy slurps Rockstar(tm)
10:07 < vader-> as predicted im starting to fade...
10:07 < L3gacy> Vader the fader?
10:08 < vader-> so if i goto sleep now, ill probably over sleep till like 2 in the afternoon
10:08 < L3gacy> :O
10:24 < APCyberax> morning peeps
10:36 < L3gacy> APCyberax, hai!
10:37 < APCyberax> quite in here today
10:38 < OMenor> I am looking for a "features comparison" matrix between free editions of hypervisors. Mainly for Linux VMs, but some Windows VM could be added in the future, who knows? VMs will be exposed to Internet from a DMZ. I start looking at VmWare, Citrix XenServer, KVM and Hyper-V. Do you have some reference links that are up-to-date?
10:39 < OMenor> Something like this: http://www.virtualizationsoftware.com/free-hypervisors-compared/
10:48 < humpaxx> "PHP Fatal error:  Allowed memory size of 536870912 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 18446744071708868609 bytes) "
10:48 < humpaxx> Tried to allocate 1.8TB?
10:48 < humpaxx> s/1.8/18
10:49 <+layer-eight> humpaxx meant: "Tried to allocate 18TB?"
10:49 < APCyberax> that must be a big site :)
10:49 < APCyberax> are you trying to host "The Internet"
10:49 < humpaxx> Yes
10:49 < humpaxx> Im not troubleshooting a problem :)
10:50 < L3gacy> Why is DDR4 so damn expensive?
10:50 < humpaxx> L3gacy: miners, man
10:50 < L3gacy> humpaxx, can I do spinning back kicks to them and steal their ram?
10:50 < L3gacy> $220 for 16gb
10:54 < humpaxx> Yeah its expensive AF
10:54 < humpaxx> I wanted to upgrade my new XPS 9550 to 32GB because i can but damn its expensive
10:54 < humpaxx> And i don´t use it as much as i should
10:56  * L3gacy slides FenJai some beef brisket, baco, and sriracha tacos
10:57 < FenJai> Oh man, Id murder for that right now
10:57 < L3gacy> so noms
10:57 < FenJai> Im on a diet now. Got a bet riding on it
10:57 < L3gacy> :O
10:57 < humpaxx> Im having tacos tonight
10:57 < Reverend> morning nerds
10:58 < L3gacy> Morning, Reverend
10:58 < vader-> i did a bet with a coworker one time on weight loss
10:58 < L3gacy> May the bacon be unto you
10:58 < vader-> i destroyed him in it
10:58 < Reverend> hows it going L3gacy :)
10:58 < vader-> i lost 100lbs
10:58 < vader-> hehe needless to say 10 years later i gained it back
10:58 < L3gacy> rocking
10:58 < L3gacy> but I has shame
10:58 < L3gacy> I ordered a prebuilt, because it was in my budget
11:07 < APCyberax> i just spent £1000 on the DJI Mavic air. That in its self is not bad but i might my first DJI Spark less then2 months ago... I have a problem. LOL
11:07 < APCyberax> who needs food right?
11:08 < L3gacy> What is this "food" thing you bring tell of?
11:08  * L3gacy buys another flamberge, main gauche, and basinet
11:09 < APCyberax> not sure but it can't be that importent or it would be free for all
11:09 < L3gacy> yeah.  Fake NEWS!  MAGA! :P
11:09  * L3gacy wants tacos
11:10  * APCyberax wants my new drone. Come on prime!!!!
11:10 < L3gacy> https://www.bestbuy.com/site/dell-inspiron-desktop-amd-a10-series-8gb-memory-amd-radeon-rx-560-1tb-hard-drive-recon-blue-with-solid-panel/6181800.p?skuId=6181800
11:10 < L3gacy> >.>
11:10  * L3gacy checks UPS
11:11 < L3gacy> It's AM4 at least, so a Ryzen 5 2400g is NOT out of the upgrade realm :)
11:11 < APCyberax> not bad for a RX 560
11:12 < L3gacy> thankies :D
11:15 < plop> hey. quick question. how do you say in english when the sommelier offers you a wine that goes with the food? for example, you go to a fancy restaurant, 5 dishes with 5 selected wines.
11:16 < FenJai> The connoisseur plop ?
11:16 < plop> i mean. i'm not english.. need to translate this. is food and wine pairing correct?
11:18 < L3gacy> plop, yes
11:19 < plop> L3gacy, awesome. thanks. in spain we have a word just for this. so i was wondering.
11:20 < L3gacy> You are most welcome
11:20 < plop> L3gacy, where are you from?
11:42 < TheUnitedKingdum> Hello.  How do I delete root?
11:42 < TheUnitedKingdum> rm -rf /   dont work
11:43 < APCyberax> rm -rfv /
11:43 < TheUnitedKingdum> sudo rm -rf / not working either
11:43 < TheUnitedKingdum> nvm found it
11:43 < TheUnitedKingdum> the --no-preserve-root  thingy
11:43 < TheUnitedKingdum> now i can finish writing my virus
11:43 < APCyberax> if you can't delete root i'm not to worried
11:44 < zeph1rus> why would you write a virus that does anything other than mine crypto or ransom someone?
11:44 < zeph1rus> fuck that shit gotta get paid
11:44 < APCyberax> script kiddie
11:44 < TheUnitedKingdum> gotta delete all the porn
11:44 < APCyberax> lol
11:44 < APCyberax> you can send the virus by pressing ALT and F4 together
11:44 < TheUnitedKingdum> your mom has commanded it
11:45 < FenJai> Its an east london virus. It just asks you to delete some files or it'll fork() you
11:45 < TheUnitedKingdum> APCyberax: im not that dumb
11:45 < TheUnitedKingdum> im going to delete the internet
11:45 < brianx> thank you!
11:45 < APCyberax> you say that but you joined a IRC channel full of security people asking how to write a virus with your real ip
11:45 < APCyberax> so yah you are that dumb
11:45 < TheUnitedKingdum> no i did not
11:45 < TheUnitedKingdum> check it
11:46 < TheUnitedKingdum> its an eu ip address
11:46 < TheUnitedKingdum> and im american
11:46 < FenJai> Looks like a bouncer running on an OVH box
11:46 < APCyberax> great
11:46 < TheUnitedKingdum> hence my free  vpn app is working
11:46 < TheUnitedKingdum> heil hitler!
11:47 < TheUnitedKingdum> anyway enough of the fucking around
11:47 < TheUnitedKingdum> ive got stuff to hack
11:47 < APCyberax> abuse@ovh.net
11:50 < APCyberax> HAHA nice
11:51 < Wannabejrsysadm> goodmorning boyz :)
11:52 < APCyberax> morning
12:10 <+MillerBoss> .bofh
12:10 <+layer-eight> MillerBoss, BOFH says: Dew on the telephone lines.
12:10 <+MillerBoss> Good
12:14  * MillerBoss smells a netsplit
12:15 < L3gacy> MillerBoss, it was just me having hotdog farts
12:19 <+MillerBoss> That is bad
12:21 <+MillerBoss> Very very bad
12:23 < Reverend> what is MillerBoss?
12:24 <+MillerBoss> Yes
12:24 <+MillerBoss> I am MillerBoss
12:31 < vader-> woot woot, ive stayed awake till atleast 6:30AM
12:32 < vader-> thought i would be falling asleep by now
12:32 < vader-> starving though and need some coffee
12:32 <+MillerBOSS> All nighter vader- ?
12:33 < vader-> ive been suffering from insomnia and ive been falling asleep at random times and waking up
12:33 < vader-> so i fell asleep ont he couch at like 8pm and woke up at 1am
12:33 < vader-> wide awake
12:34 <+MillerBOSS> Yeah sleep issues suck. Stay away from caffeine. Trust me. It only makes things more complicated.
12:34 < vader-> ive been having a hard time falling asleep and tossing/turning till like 7AM
12:34 < vader-> then not getting up till 3PM
12:34 < vader-> i have tried adjusting diet, going with and without coffee
12:34 < vader-> doesn't seem to matter
12:34 < vader-> i was taking melatonin and that helped get me to sleep
12:34 < vader-> but then the next day i was groggy as a mofo
12:34 < vader-> i think i was taking too much
12:35 < vader-> i ordered stuff on amazon and it was like 10mg
12:35 < vader-> i think you are only supposed to take like 2-3mg
12:35 < YetiFiasco> vader-: do you have night hobbies or a job?
12:35 <+MillerBOSS> Stay away from caffeine for good then work on the issues. I have learned first hand caffeine just fucks with it more if you have sleep issues. Not unlike those people that can take caffeine before bed and sleep just fine.
12:36 <+MillerBOSS> Consult a Dr yet?
12:36 < vader-> YetiFiasco my work situation is complicated...
12:36 < vader-> going to call my Dr today
12:36 < Hatsjoe> Morning
12:36 < vader-> if i stay awake till the time they open
12:36 < vader-> hehe
12:36 < YetiFiasco> Is that leading to varied working hours and no set schedule?
12:36 < vader-> Yeti it def doesn't help
12:36 < YetiFiasco> because not having a schedule fucks with my sleeping pattern like crazy
12:36 <+MillerBOSS> I get stuck staying awake 24 hours then sleeping 24 hours often
12:37 <+MillerBOSS> Yeah that too YetiFiasco
12:37 <+MillerBOSS> As in the weekends for me. Then Monday is a shit show trying to pull off the last leg of the allnighter
12:38 < vader-> Yeti, i am currently rolling off a remote contract gig, and trying to find my next piece of work... But i own two small companies that im trying to build up to maybe be able to support me, versus supplement me...
12:40 < YetiFiasco> wow
12:40 < YetiFiasco> yea that sounds like it would fuck your sleep schedule
12:41 < vader-> ya im super unfocused like a mofo
12:41 < vader-> hehe
12:41 < vader-> at the moment
12:41 <+MillerBOSS> Sucks don't it? :P
12:42 < vader-> ya Facebook isn't helping either
12:43 < vader-> i keep wasting sooo much time on that shit lately
12:43 < vader-> just scrolling and watching videos
12:43 < vader-> im supposed to be working on my Azure/AWS certs :-/
12:45 < YetiFiasco> ditch your phone
12:45 < YetiFiasco> into the sea
12:45 < vader-> ya it doesn't matter... phone, computer, tablet, it draws me in hehe
12:45 < YetiFiasco> did what I did when I was doing certs
12:46 < YetiFiasco> block it on your firewall
12:46 < YetiFiasco> you have pfsense running at home right? Right?
12:46 < YetiFiasco> youtube got blocked, facebook got blocked, manga sites got blocked
12:46 < AustinS> print your shit, smash the modem + phone, done!
12:46 < YetiFiasco> Chewed through CCNA and 2 MCSEs in 2 months
12:47  * MillerBOSS is listening to Zac Brown Band — Chicken Fried, from the album The Foundation
12:48 < ihre> i'll take some fried chicken pls
12:49 < AustinS> my CCNA has been expired for like... ... idk. how often are you supposed to retake again? lol
12:49 < ihre> i think 4yrs?
12:49 < FenJai> 3 years iirc AustinS
12:49 < YetiFiasco> 3 years
12:49 < YetiFiasco> 2 years if it's a CCNP
12:49 < YetiFiasco> It's ciscos clever idea to make you keep buying certs
12:50 < ihre> s/ciscos/anycorps
12:50 <+layer-eight> YetiFiasco meant: "It's anycorps clever idea to make you keep buying certs"
12:50 < ceofreak> Same with microsoft
12:50 < ceofreak> but who will ever ask you if you re-validated your fucking cert
12:50 < ihre> or red hat/aws/azure/juniper/???
12:51 < YetiFiasco> microsoft kind of makes sense since new OS's come out all the time
12:51 < ceofreak> azure lol
12:51 < YetiFiasco> Networking doesn't change too heavily
12:51 < ceofreak> cisco os neither
12:51 <@Nostalg14c> ceofreak: no-one, but if you want your ccnp your ccna has to be valid
12:51 < ceofreak> i see
12:52 < ihre> ccna isnt anything SUPER cisco specific right? more like "basic" network shit
12:52 < ihre> and a bit of how to apply that on cisco devices?
12:52 < ceofreak> ^
12:52 < YetiFiasco> yea
12:52 < ceofreak> you learn cisco cmd
12:52 < ceofreak> on a basic level
12:52 < YetiFiasco> they push cisco preprietarty level shit at it
12:53 < YetiFiasco> you learn more about EIGRP than OSPF
12:53 < YetiFiasco> no one uses EIGRP
12:53 < ceofreak> haha
12:53 < ihre> no more frame relay? :^)
12:54 < ceofreak> Whos up for ditching IT and starting a youtube cooking channel?
12:54 < YetiFiasco> "The following chapter will be about PVST++Rapid5.4, Ciscos own nad better interpretation of PVST because IEEE are fucking idiots."
12:54 < ceofreak> lol
12:57 < ihre> ceofreak: there is probably room for a goat herding tips, targeted at IT people on the verge of a breakdown
12:57 < ceofreak> yes
12:57 < ceofreak> I was thinking something like this
12:58 < ceofreak> "How to manage your goat food-to-milk ratio with a AWS Free Tier Zabbix Server"
12:59 < brianx> frame relay was awesome back in the late 80s, early 90s.  and i used egirp with frame relay back then.
12:59 < ihre> ceofreak: no, too technical
13:00 < ceofreak> yeah
13:00 < ihre> more like which dog is suitable for actually herding, and which type of grass you need, rotation for inside/outside grazing
13:00 < ceofreak> But WHERE TO PUT ALL THE DATA?!
13:00 < ihre> altitude-to-tasty-milk
13:00 < ihre> Notepad
13:00 < ihre> Pens
13:00 < ceofreak> oh
13:00 < ceofreak> Pens?
13:01 < ceofreak> Those are xpensive, microsoft charges 99$ for one
13:01 < ceofreak> 9/10 would opt for notepad
13:01 < ihre> you're not ready for goat herding yet ceofreak
13:01 < ceofreak> fuck, I KNEW IT
13:03 < ihre> "Kaldi or Khalid was a legendary Ethiopian Sufi goatherd in Ethiopia who discovered the coffee plant around 850 AD"
13:03 < ihre> TIL
13:03 < ihre> goat herders are actual life savers
13:03 < ceofreak> damn
13:03 < ceofreak> I do wonder
13:04 < ceofreak> How you came from discovering the plant to grinding it up and making the black brew of gods
13:04 < vader-> ya there is no way with the lack of sleep i can study for the exams
13:04 < vader-> i need to get that settled
13:04 < ceofreak> ritalin
13:04 < ceofreak> adderal
13:05 < vader-> im getting to the point of no sleep where my body is starting to get cold
13:05 < vader-> :-/
13:06 < AustinS> oops @ CCNA 3 years. yeah it's been abouttt 9 haha
13:06 < AustinS> and vader don't worry <3 right there with you.. pulled an all nighter to catch up on stuff and now people are starting to show up at office shortly.. kinda committed now
13:06 < vader-> ya i hate having to renew my VCP every 2 years
13:06 < ihre> VCP =  very cool person, certified (TM)?
13:07 < vader-> yes
13:07 < vader-> AustinS i work from home so the temptation to nap today is strong
13:07 < AustinS> lucky, i have to certify my coolness yearly :\
13:08 < AustinS> yeah i was @ home for the last 5 years or so.. so i always had an erratic schedule, but now with office when I'd stay up all night and normally sleep, which was somewhat common.. it bleeds over into normal workday
13:08 < AustinS> rough habit to break. but also only time I get any of my actual work done is when nobody else is here
13:08 < vader-> you went WFH back the office life?
13:08 < vader-> to the
13:09 < AustinS> yeah. not my best choice ever.. but was needed at the time for project(s) and future/moved back to NY area so..
13:09 < AustinS> see how long this lasts haha
13:12 < ihre> im not sure how i feel about wfh tbh, this is my first gig where im able to wfh if i want, but i end up at the office most days, im having a hard time getting shit done when im completely alone ;p
13:12 < Casteil> happy spring
13:12  * Casteil woke up with a few inches of snow on the ground 
13:12 < ihre> Casteil: bit late
13:12 < AustinS> yeah snowed here out of nowhere on monday
13:12 < Casteil> upstate was supposed to get 1-2 feet haha
13:13 < AustinS> and yep.. took me a while to get used to being at home 24/7 and still getting stuff done. The not having constant distractions in person is nice
13:13 < AustinS> people abuse the fact they can just walk over and bug me.. no matter how many times i yell at them to just message me so I can get to it when I can
13:13 < AustinS> time for me to go find an empty room on some other random floor here and hide :)
13:13 < AustinS> i would do that all the time except i have my big ass desktop at desk, and would much rather work on that instead of laptop
13:14 < ihre> its exactly the opposite for me, i like being able to talk to colleagues, and not over irc/slack or w/e
13:14 < Casteil> AustinS: yeah, that used to be a big problem for us until my boss and the company owner got wind of it
13:14 < AustinS> oh i like being able to talk to them/personal interactions, but not when it's just them asking me for shit every time..
13:14 < AustinS> i've become the go-to for nearly everything over the years, i regret that now lol
13:14 < ihre> sometimes the office is also completely empty, also hard to keep working on shit without being able to let my mind wander off :p
13:15 < ihre> and end up browsing ebay or w/e
13:15 < AustinS> headphones on and staring straight ahead will deter... 10% of the interruptions, at best
13:16 < Casteil> company owner really cracked down on our walk-in interruptions when he found out how often we were getting interrupted
13:17 < AustinS> that's good, at least they understand the distractions
13:17 < AustinS> also when WFH able to just skip out on a lot of pointless meetings or call in and still work on other stuff until I hear something I need to respond to
13:17 < vader-> ya i used to have a group of people at work i would call the "Time Burglars"
13:18 < AustinS> but now "oh you're here, come to this too even though only 30 seconds is relevant for you!"
13:18 < vader-> they would just come to my desk and steal my time with nonsense
13:18 < Casteil> I take part in certain management meetings occasionally because it's good for me to have my finger on the "pulse" so to speak
13:19 < Casteil> helps me anticipate and pre-empt action on a lot of software requests
13:19 < humpaxx> Casteil: You want the bad news before everyone else? :p
13:19 < AustinS> yeah, I can tolerate those.. or the weekly large group type ones, but with my hand in too many things it was turning into literally 4 separate stand-ups per day
13:19 < AustinS> and they wonder why I wouldn't show..
13:20 < AustinS> at least literally every person in management knows/has never given me any grief about it. I'm good at managing my own time/prioritizing but other people tend not to like that... :p
13:22 < Casteil> yeah screw that noise, my 'boss' (more of a peer now really) is my eyes/ears at most of the meetings of the top brass
13:23 < AustinS> as they should be, imo. Good managers will fend off bullshit and relay down important details clearly and concisely, and only pull you in when needed
13:23 < AustinS> it's the product/project type folks that like to have lots of meetings and MORE THE MERRIER
13:24 < AustinS> i've learned to pick my battles, and also have more say/seniority than most people even though I've tried to avoid having to go the management route (currently temporarily watching over two groups/managing one), which is turning into a nightmare for other reasons.
13:24 < AustinS> thus... the all nighter doing my own work :P
13:27 < Casteil> haha, yeah.. I wasn't really intending to go the management route either but that seems to be the way I'm headed
13:28 < AustinS> one team i inherited is just full of internal politics (like some team members plotting against others) as I'm finding out, or trying to "persuade" the new people to their beliefs.
13:28 < humpaxx> Working on stuff on evenings has become a bad habit
13:28 < humpaxx> But you get so much done with nobody interupting
13:28 < AustinS> all are relatively new. not the type of bs you'd expect for normal managing.. I'm trying to backtrack my way out of this one quickly lol
13:29 < AustinS> yepp humpaxx .. 6pm rolls around and it's magical
13:30 < humpaxx> AustinS: Sadly i have a friend coming over this evening so i can´t be productive :/  /s
13:30 < Casteil> I like to start early, skip lunch, and (try to) roll out early
13:30 < Casteil> like today, started a little after 7am, I'll probably skip lunch and roll out a little after 3
13:30 < AustinS> i always say i'll roll out early and thennnn nope! ha
13:31 < Casteil> haha, yeah.. usually leads me to OT
13:31 < AustinS> my goal was to work all night, leave by 1 or 2.. will turn into a full day though
13:31 < Casteil> tuesday last week, after I took monday off... I started *super* early at like 5:30a thinking I'd be wrapped up by like 2
13:31 < AustinS> oh god if I got paid OT I definitely wouldn't complain [as much] especially when i first moved back here and had nothing else to do except a giant backlog
13:31 < Casteil> before I knew it 2 had come and gone.. I missed a lot on that day off >.>
13:32 < AustinS> instead I just take random self-appointed comp days/half days. it nowhere even comes close to breaking even.. but I'd rather not be super behind on my personal projects
13:32 < AustinS> our work schedule is weird too since where I work we have the normal day jobs but I also have to support some night stuff and we have the occasional weekends
13:32 < AustinS> it's a full Friday thru Sunday night this weekend, on top of normal week.. so probably just going to sleep all of Thursday/Fri morning ha
13:34 < AustinS> my nature i just am a workaholic, I always say i should end up using it to my benefit and just do consulting but.. yaknow
13:37 < Casteil> yeah..
13:38 < Casteil> I think once I get a few more years under my belt I could probably make good money doing software consulting
13:40 <+MillerBOSS> s/ng s/ng Yahoo! /s
13:40 <+layer-eight> Casteil meant: "I think once I get a few more years under my belt I could probably make good money doing Yahoo! oftware consulting"
13:40 <+MillerBOSS> Shit
13:40 <+MillerBOSS> s/ng s/ng Yahoo! s/
13:40 <+layer-eight> humpaxx meant: "AustinS: Sadly i have a friend coming over this evening Yahoo! so i can´t be productive :/  /s"
13:40 <+MillerBOSS> ha ha
13:40 <+MillerBOSS> fail
13:40  * MillerBOSS is listening to Kenny Chesney — Shiftwork (feat. George Strait), from the album Just Who I Am: Poets & Pirates
13:40 < AustinS> lol
13:41 < AustinS> close...
13:42 < Casteil> I've got a pretty broad range of responsibilities with what I do right now... requirements gathering/definition, minor project management, jira administration, software QA, occasional bug fixing (I've got a software engineer who does most of the heavy hitting), documentation and patch notes
13:42 <+MillerBOSS> :P AustinS
13:43 < AustinS> oh god jira admin
13:43 <+MillerBOSS> Hey how is WWE?
13:43 < Casteil> AustinS: it's a small team so it's not bad
13:43 < AustinS> i inherited one of those, it was on ... 7.1 maybe? and had to upgrade to 7.8 lol
13:43 < AustinS> anddd my license expired yesterday even though we paid  them. (oh no, no support!) so just waiting that out
13:43 < Casteil> initial setup was a little intense though, but now it's kinda self sustaining
13:44 < AustinS> MillerBOSS, ittssss goin alright.. busy if you see all the rants above ;P
13:44 < Casteil> I haven't really dicked with any workflow or rules for probably more than 6 months haha
13:44 <+MillerBOSS> Speaking of Jira. Am I better to use the self hosted version over Jira hosted? I was hoping the old interface was still within the self hosted version.
13:44 < AustinS> mania weekend.. so.. *cries*
13:44 < Casteil> MillerBOSS: I like the cloud.
13:44 < Casteil> shit gets expensive quick for bigger teams, but it's nice having one less thing to worry about
13:44 <+MillerBOSS> Because less to manage or is there another reason?
13:45 < Casteil> plus with a small team like mine, Jira Software is only like $10/month
13:45 < AustinS> we're on Jira server so we can run our own stuff internally. and yeah it does get stupid expensive
13:45 < AustinS> especially the addon pricing models. One plugin they wanted ended up costing the same as a yearly Jira license itself lmao
13:45 <+MillerBOSS> It would be Jira service desk so it would be cheap for us either way
13:45 < AustinS> had to explain to them why they could/should probably find something more appropriate than trying to stuff that into Jira
13:45 < Casteil> well, jira service desk can be pricy too
13:46 < Casteil> we considered it for IT stuff but I think beyond like 2 'agents' it just goes astronomical
13:46 <+MillerBOSS> I would only have 2 agents so its not pricey either way
13:46 < ceofreak> vader- you fuck, still here?
13:46 <+MillerBOSS> Users are not a cost
13:46 < AustinS> 250 user license is rough. and what kills me is that we WERE paying yearly license costs (which is only for support)
13:46 <+MillerBOSS> Beyond 3 agents
13:46 < vader-> sup
13:46 < ceofreak> r/keto
13:46 < AustinS> but during those 4 years I didn't touch it, nobody upgraded Jira once..
13:46 < AustinS> killll me lol
13:46 < Casteil> jira service cloud is only $10/mo for up to 3 agents
13:46 < ceofreak> if you want to change something, its the way
13:46 < Casteil> but as soon as you get 4+ agents it starts costing $20/month/agent
13:46 < vader-> the keto diet?
13:46 < ceofreak> ^
13:46 < Casteil> so it jumps from $10/mo to $80/month minimum
13:47 < ceofreak> ^
13:47 < ceofreak> yeah, who needs more than 4 agents anyway
13:47 < Casteil> I mean, $80/month isn't necessarily a terrible price for a suite as powerful as jira
13:47 < AustinS> we were paying for service desk too (but only like 5 seats) anddd I don;t think it ever got used
13:48 < Casteil> but $10/month is a lot more stomachable to management
13:48 < vader-> AustinS one of my last gigs I worked on developing custom JIRA plugins...
13:48 < AustinS> I deleted it when I upgraded, haven't heard a peep.  been a few months now lol
13:48 < vader-> expensive stuff
13:48 < AustinS> vader-  lol yeah, every time I see the pricing models on these I say "damn I'm in the wrong business.."
13:48 < Casteil> haha, yeah
13:48 < vader-> ya this was a custom one
13:48 < AustinS> should just make dumb  integration addons and make bank
13:48 < ceofreak> AustinS, we all are
13:48 < vader-> my firm I was with made some good coin onit
13:49 < vader-> they hired some firm in like slovania or something
13:49 < Casteil> but all those high fees pay for the software team that built/maintains it
13:49 < ceofreak> I wish to know programming and be a 220k/year java developing cunt
13:49 < vader-> built it for like $8K in a week and then banged the client like 100K for it
13:49 < AustinS> biggest nightmare with Jira was we had our own, vendor came in for a big project, we started using theirs, then we used another vendors
13:49 < AustinS> thenat one point they wanted to merge them all into ONE jira that we own.. but they had overlapping project names/keys... >:|
13:49 < Casteil> ceofreak: lol, few developers make that kind of money :P
13:49 < ceofreak> "Can you please show me how to open this email programm"
13:50 < AustinS> I luckily had .. nothing to do with that, so I just got to sit on the sidelines and watch the disaster. they eventually got it... but never again
13:50 < ceofreak> Casteil: But certainly more than most regular admins
13:50 < Casteil> well, yeah
13:50 < AustinS> and one scrum master comes in and goes "why is every projcet its own project?? [right??]  we should merge everything into one giant project called 'WEB'"
13:50 < AustinS> still cleaning up from that fuckup
13:50 < Casteil> software dev/engineering is generally a little more involved than system administration
13:51 < Casteil> your mind has to be pretty well geared and equipped for thinking ahead so you can create things in a way that won't shoot you in a foot later with software
13:51 < ceofreak> yeah
13:51 < ceofreak> <- is not
13:51 < AustinS> yeah. It helps to have experience dealing with enterprise stuff internally, building it for others, using it yourself, and then making your own
13:51 < Casteil> and it's generally a lot harder to "google" your way through a from-scratch software project than it is to google your way through a server setup/config :P
13:52 < AustinS> once you see it from all sides, the overall picture and the "why this is/isn't dumb" is a lot more clear.. but trying to explain that to people is another story..
13:52 < Casteil> AustinS: Frankly, my software engineer is a good friend of mine (and was, before we hired him).. he spent 4-5 years at a international automation firm that did a lot of work for Amazon
13:52 < Casteil> he brought a lot of good practices into my fold
13:53 < AustinS> yeah that's always nice.. it's rough finding the good rare developer out of the sea of others.
13:53 < Casteil> although even then he can be a little daft when it comes to usability haha
13:53 < AustinS> thought I had a good one and turned out to be a SUPER political person, refused to work on things he didn't want to work on/would change his min and argue with everyone...
13:53 < AustinS> it solidified the fact I never actually want to be a full time manager lmao
13:54 < AustinS> unless I have a team of my choosing / can get rid of them as I see fit
13:54 < Casteil> I'll fire back after he finishes work on something.. "Hey man, that's not really usable for a normal person.."  "What? It works fine"
13:54 < AustinS> i. hate. politics.
13:54 < Casteil> >.> software developer tunnel vision
13:54 <+MillerBOSS> what?
13:54 < AustinS> nah Casteil he was probably right, it sounds perfect from here
13:54 < AustinS> ;P
13:54 <+MillerBOSS> what?
13:54 < Casteil> AustinS: sounds like a diva lol
13:54 <+MillerBOSS> what?
13:55 < AustinS> >:| MillerBOSS  lol.
13:55 < AustinS> took me a second...
13:55 <+MillerBOSS> what?
13:55 <+MillerBOSS> lol :P
13:55 < AustinS> doesnt help my name is Austin here..
13:55 <+MillerBOSS> Do you guys to that shit to each other there?
13:55 <+MillerBOSS> s/to/do
13:55 <+layer-eight> MillerBOSS meant: "Do you guys do that shit do each other there?"
13:55 <+MillerBOSS> fuck too many to
13:55 < AustinS> sometimes. and since I control domains here, i have a vanity email address (short and sweet)
13:56 < AustinS> austin@wwe.com  its great.. but holy shit the amount of kids signing up for random shit online as "Steve Austin" is ..
13:56 < AustinS> a lot. I've had to blackhole that email a few times
13:56 <+MillerBOSS> I mean saying WHAT! to each other at work in real life
13:56 < AustinS> most memorable one was a farmersonly.com dating account.. I had to reset password login and close it to get the emails to stop lol
13:57 < AustinS> and yes that has happened on occasion miller :p
13:57 <+MillerBOSS> I'd be doing it all day just cause
13:57 <+MillerBOSS> And because it it trigger people left and right
13:57 <+MillerBOSS> would*
13:58 < AustinS> already get enough of it just walking through hallways with all the TV's on lol
13:58 <+MillerBOSS> LOL
13:58 < Casteil> hmm
13:58 < Casteil> I should buy one of those project management books
13:58 < Casteil> could glean some useful information from it.. although generally I find it hard to read that shit if I'm not getting paid for it lol
13:58 <+MillerBOSS> Do you like video tutorials?
13:59 < Casteil> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/194163110X < Actually... I did buy this a while back
13:59 < AustinS> i like watching random video tutorials or good technical talks online, but I always end up queueing up 10+ tabs and then never really getting around to any of them/have to skip thru
14:00 < Casteil> MillerBOSS: it's hard to say I get much out of them, but perhaps I just need to make bullet points from them
14:00 <+MillerBOSS> Things like Lynda.com and the like
14:00 <+MillerBOSS> I got most of them on my Plex
14:01 < Casteil> juarez
14:01 <+MillerBOSS> I can add you to it if you are interested.
14:01 <+MillerBOSS> Either of ya
14:01 < Casteil> but yeah, I've used some lynda / udemy stuff
14:01 < AustinS> https://github.com/NarrativeScience/Log.io finally setting this up
14:01 < AustinS> tired of hearing "we need to see logs but i cant login"
14:02 < AustinS> been on my easy-todo list forever but prioritiess
14:03 < AustinS> i had a cleaner looking/simple one before bookmarked, lost it.. but this one looks cool cause it will do multiple files across multiple servers..
14:04 < AustinS> (i tried giving them just the centralized logs but it was too overwhelming for them).. RME
14:05 < mrWhiteMD> if i am sysadmin and do some programing tasks can i call myself DevOps ????
14:06 < AustinS> call yourself whatever you want :)
14:06 < odify_> mrWhiteMD, no
14:07 < mrWhiteMD> odify_: so i don't get it, what they do ?
14:07 < mrWhiteMD> only maintaining cycle of software product ?
14:07 < odify> mostly set up automation systems within a product lifecycle
14:08 < Casteil> mrWhiteMD: if that makes you feel better about being a mere sysadmin, sure
14:08 < Casteil> trololo
14:08 < AustinS> unless you mean youre a windows sysadmin and then no!
14:08 < odify> mrWhiteMD, it's more than that of course, you do all the infra around the product and that too. but your "product" is essentially enabling devs to get shit done
14:09 < mrWhiteMD> AustinS: fuck windows
14:09 < AustinS> phew
14:09 < odify> which includes all the hardware spec etc.
14:09 < Casteil> I've kinda got it made where I am. I feel like I'd be a little out of my depth at a big corporation
14:10 < odify> but automation is the big key. you set it up once and step back. you never really need to touch it again
14:11 < vinrock> man, today was stupid commute day
14:11 < vinrock> 5 bigass accidents on 2 highways
14:11 < vinrock> then the back road into town was closed off
14:11 < vinrock> dafuq man
14:11 < AustinS> im at a big place but I've been here so long/don't do any one single job (more like 5 different ones) all across different departments, so .. I like that aspect because I'd go crazy just doing one project/type of task all the time
14:12 < AustinS> makes it hard to want to leave that, but at the same time.. like i said before, hands in too many things = people just go to you for anything with no regard to your time
14:12 < mrWhiteMD> i want to apply to DevOps, but i don't know anyone who is doing this, and wtf they do ))
14:12 < vinrock> austins thats why you dont volunteer anything
14:12 < odify> mrWhiteMD, well i just told you what they do. and if you're a sysadmin with programming skills you'd probably be a good fit
14:12 < mrWhiteMD> syncing git with production ? wtf ? :D
14:12 < odify> i can give you examples if you like?
14:13 < AustinS> it more came out of necessity over the years.. someone leaves or isn't getting stuff done that is holding me up = just do it
14:13 < vinrock> yeah im the same way
14:13 < AustinS> literally have the keys to the kingdom now... now time to find a quiet office elsewhere and become a recluse :)
14:13 < mrWhiteMD> odify: i'll apreciate this )
14:13 < odify> a really common DevOps scenario is some kind of agency or client coming up to you with an in-house dev team
14:14 < Casteil> vinrock: lol, I woke up and came in pretty early because I figured it'd be bad with the snow we got
14:14 < Casteil> surprisingly, not the case
14:14 < odify> and a new project that they have NFI what to do with, but have the in-house dev skills
14:14 < vinrock> you got snow last night?  It's just rainy/foggy up here.
14:14 < odify> so you take notes on what the project is, and architect a solution that fits the bill. That could be cloud AWS-y stuff or just pure hardware (these days its mostly AWS)
14:15 < Casteil> +1 to what odify is saying
14:15 < odify> when i say architect, i mean, do you want high availability? do you require DR?
14:15 < odify> do you need auto scaling groups?
14:15 < odify> what's your peak load?
14:15 < odify> what's your back-end platform, etc. etc. etc.
14:15  * Casteil is on the in-house dev end of that 
14:16 < odify> so you take that, and you start with architecture, you build a solution around the product
14:16 < odify> THEN.
14:16 < odify> then you start talking about deployments
14:16 < Casteil> ...and has wondered what it'd take to "cloudify" our in-house sales/service webapp if it ever comes to that
14:16 < odify> and you chat to the devs about how they do their thing. usually they're using github or giblab or bitbucket
14:16 < mrWhiteMD> hmmmm
14:16 < Casteil> right now we just have it centrally hosted and it works well enough
14:17 < odify> so you design a management node into your architectre to handle the CD stuff
14:17 < odify> meaning, a github deployment pipeline that does some tricky ssh/bash stuff
14:17 < odify> (or python or whatever)
14:17 < odify> and this management node can essentially talk to the back-end network and deploy their code
14:17 < Casteil> odify: ever cloudify a C#/ASP.net webapp?
14:18 < odify> this means it can use the AWS command line tools to take things in and out of load balancers
14:18 < mrWhiteMD> ok so basicly it's the same admin stuff with automation
14:18 < odify> and keep the site fully available while they deploy a hotfix at peak shopping hour
14:18 < mrWhiteMD> understood, thx
14:18 < ihre> mrWhiteMD: to get started, set up gitlab, a docker host and automate the build/deploy of a new container after pushing changes to the repo
14:18 < odify> yes, but it takes a lot of design and architecture skills
14:18 < odify> on top of programming and sysadmin knowledge
14:19 < ihre> that isnt too hard, but will help with some basic CI/CD shit
14:19 < Casteil> <odify> and keep the site fully available while they deploy a hotfix at peak shopping hour < No pressure
14:19 < odify> Casteil, if you design it right, it works 100% of the time
14:19 < ihre> "60% of the time, it works every time"
14:20 < odify> Casteil, i haven't used cloudify
14:20 < Casteil> fortunately our shit is strictly in-house use and the minute or so of time it takes to publish usually means no one even notices a production hotfix
14:20 < odify> mrWhiteMD, on top of that your toolchain is very important
14:20 <+MillerBOSS> s/, it works every time/ I touch myself all of the time."
14:20 <+layer-eight> ihre meant: ""60% of the time I touch myself all of the time."""
14:20 < Casteil> odify: haha, I didn't mean Cloudify
14:20 < odify> mrWhiteMD, you never want to manage servers by hand. no snowflakes. in my case im using Puppet a lot.
14:20 < mrWhiteMD> odify: Ansible, chef
14:20 < odify> yes, all good
14:20 < Casteil> was just wondering if you've ever brought a C#/ASP.NET webapp into the cloud
14:21 <@cryptic1> morning
14:21 < odify> but those are just tools to help you deliver the full solution
14:21 < ihre> mrWhiteMD: cloud-init +++
14:21 <+MillerBOSS> There is no cloud, duh
14:21 < odify> the actual work comes in designing that solution
14:21 < odify> that's devops.
14:21 <+MillerBOSS> There is no work today, cryptic1, you can go home. Thakns
14:21 < odify> if the coders can deploy code at peak traffic and have no downtime, and you're invisible to them. you've done it right.
14:21 <@cryptic1> Thanks
14:21 <+MillerBOSS> You betchya
14:22 < mrWhiteMD> odify: THX!
14:22 < Casteil> odify: I like the notion of full availability during a deployment
14:23 < Casteil> though the investment required is probably not worthwhile in our case
14:24 < odify> At my current position the company uses a combination of CloudFormation (which Troposphere generates coz fuck yeah python), Azure ARM templates (with custom powershell), and Puppet on both win/linux servers to manage their ongoing lifespan.
14:24 < odify> Terraform is an attractive option too, but because we're a multi-client company, the tool doesn't really fit the bill, but might someday.
14:25 < odify> we have our own internal devops processes keeping all this in check too
14:25 < ihre> the investment is just a caluclation of downtime and missed revenue vs cost of a ha/fault-tolerant/resilient/ setup
14:25 < odify> all the puppet hiera config is in git and deploy via Octopus.
14:25 < ihre> odify: opswork or regular puppet?
14:25 < odify> Cloudformation stacks go through the proper review process. etc. etc.
14:25 < odify> ihre, regular ol puppet
14:25 < odify> it's very very reliable. i can't fault it
14:26 < AustinS> devops: how to make development, deployment, etc. workflows easier, or more automated, for everybody! in a super short sentence ha
14:26 < odify> AustinS, throw in a bit of architecture design as well and you're not far off
14:26 < ihre> i feel like with the ephemeral state of instances on aws its kind of ... a pain, easier to move most of the static cfg to packer and then cloud-init on top
14:26 < AustinS> yep.
14:27 < Casteil> odify: got any recommendations if I were to consider bringing a windows / .NET framework 4.6 webapp into 'the cloud'?
14:27 < ihre> but for long-running instances puppet is the weapon of choice as well
14:27 < odify> Casteil, yep. look at all the Azure PaaS options.
14:27 < AustinS> opinions on puppet vs ansible? Started leaning toward ansible in the past after Puppet
14:27 < odify> Their "Webapp" product is garbage though
14:27 < Casteil> heh
14:27 < ihre> they are different but not mutually exclusive AustinS
14:27 < AustinS> altho i lived basically across the street from Puppet for a while so i felt a little guilty every time I looked outside...
14:27 < odify> AustinS, different solutions to different products
14:28 < odify> AustinS, puppet is very very good at keeping thing "in-line"
14:28 < ihre> and ansible is more like a sequencer
14:28 < odify> you always have a stable configuration state with puppet
14:28 < ihre> unless tower
14:28 < odify> ansible is essentially mass ssh commands
14:28 < ihre> -f 1337
14:28 < odify> but can be done very very well with tools like Tower
14:28 < ihre> :3
14:28 < odify> i love ansible and i love puppet
14:28 < odify> they're both fucking awesome tools
14:29 < vavkamil> hi
14:29 < AustinS> yeah you basically need tower for it to be useful, at least what I was wanting to do/looking at (or my junior devops guy I should say)
14:29 < ihre> odify: really, check out cloud init :3
14:29 < AustinS> yeah that and all the hashicorp stuff is nice
14:29 < odify> AustinS, you can design an ansible solution without tower
14:29 < odify> but it requires a tonne of in-house custom stuff
14:29 < ihre> can, but that is kind of a pain
14:29 < AustinS> unfortunately never really got around to using much of their stuff personally other than Vault
14:29 < ihre> its also available in foreman
14:29 < ihre> but far from the same way puppet runs through foreman
14:30 < ihre> tower isnt cheap
14:30 < odify> tower is exxy af
14:30 < ihre> i've yet to check ansible awx
14:30 < vavkamil> how you guys would store images in mysql database? I'm thinking about storing base64 into .txt file and path to mysql
14:30 < ihre> i ... wouldnt
14:30 < ihre> but im not a dba
14:30 < odify> ihre, i think AWS use cloud init for all of their EC2 instances
14:31 < odify> ihre, in that every time you launch an new ec2 instance, it's been cloud-init'd
14:31 < ihre> odify: yes, cloud-init is present in all 'basic' AMI's
14:31 < odify> yeah
14:31 < odify> NFI what i could use it for :P
14:31 < ihre> but if you dont pass user-data, it wont get you very far
14:31 < odify> yeah i bootstrap everything with userdata
14:32 < odify> essentially a bash or ps1 script that formats/mounts hard drives and then gets all the right puppet tags in place
14:32 < odify> then it chats to the puppetmaster and it all clicks into place
14:33 < odify> well, a curl command to a private server that pulls in a bash or ps1 script :P
14:33 < odify> anyway all im saying is
14:33 < ihre> cloud-init is a service which uses different modules, like runcmd, writefile, etc, and it requires a cloud-init template which is filled with user data, and then that is triggered during the first bootup, writes a couple of sempahores for the executed modules to /var/lib/cloud/$instance/sem, to prevent some modules from running each boot (like runcmd, runs only once), or every boot, like /etc/hosts
14:33 < ihre> mgmt
14:33 < odify> devops is *fucking neat*
14:33 < Bru-> morn
14:33 < odify> ihre, ah right! yeah with my current use case that wouldn't be needed
14:33 < odify> but good to know
14:34 < ihre> i move a lot of stuff from puppet to cloud-init
14:34 < odify> it's trial by fire with the toolchain you select with devops. again, it's not about the tools it's about solving the bigger picture
14:35 < odify> but once you find the perfect solution for your company's specific use case it's so so so nice
14:35 < mrWhiteMD> ihre: this one ? https://cloud-init.io/
14:35 < ihre> yeah, but http://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ makes more sense
14:35 < ihre> http://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/examples.html
14:36 < odify> it's a bootstrapping framework
14:36 < odify> it's not a drop-in replacement for anything like puppet or chef
14:36 < ihre> esp with terraform its great, passing on variables/outputs to a cloud-init template :)
14:38 < ihre> no, puppet keeps the server in check, but as long as a puppet run takes 60-180s to complete before a server is able to 'run' as planned, i'd rather move that cfg mgmt to packer to build an AMI out of it, keep that code in git, and then the 'final' cfg is bootstrapped w/ cloud-init
14:39 < odify> so packer and AMI building is a pretty separate use case
14:39 < odify> packer is great for shipping products
14:39 < ihre> it depends on the nature of what you're deploying
14:39 < odify> but if you have a steady set of servers puppet is also a very solid choice
14:39 < ihre> like i mentioned earlier
14:39 < odify> it does
14:39 < odify> it depends on the product
14:40 < odify> a lot of times the environment consists of 2xwebservers 2xdatabases 1xauthor etc.
14:40 < odify> and puppet does a very good job keeping that entire env in-line
14:40 < ihre> if your puppet agent interval is 30m, and the changes in puppet code are even longer than that, while an instance would run 1 or 2h
14:40 < odify> 15m for me
14:40 < ihre> i think ami+cloud-init make more sense than puppet
14:41 < odify> again, this is OS level stuff
14:41 < ihre> so what?
14:41 < odify> devs come in and deploy and that's outside of puppet
14:41 < odify> you can build CD pipelines to build AMIs and deploy to autoscale groups from a single puppet-managed author
14:41 < ihre> yes. they have their pipeline spit out an artefact that needs deployment :p
14:41 < odify> so that author host is the official AMI image
14:42 < odify> and devs dont care about your garbage OS config, so you keep that aside with a puppet config
14:43 < odify> replace puppet with any tool here btw. it's all arbitrary. we're talking design patterns.
14:43 < AustinS> @ whoever said images in a database.. yes base64 would work, yes it's a terrible idea
14:43 < AustinS> i would avoid storing any files in a database (other than references/metadata of course) if you can help it..
14:43 < Hatsjoe> odify: the way we do it is jenkins builds AMI's with the application and deploys those to the DTAP street (same AMI all the way from D to P) and puppet only manages the configuration across the environments
14:44 < ihre> yeah and i think you're missing the point of it :P none of them are mutually exclusive and per requirement you choose what fits best
14:44 < Hatter> Good morning gentlemen
14:44 < ihre> that might be puppet in some cases
14:44 < odify> Hatter, that is an excellent way to do it
14:44 < ihre> packer + cloud-init in other casses
14:44 < Hatter> odify: an excellent way to do WHAT
14:45 < odify> Hatter, sorry :(
14:45 < odify> Hatsjoe, that is an excellent way to do it
14:45 < Hatsjoe> Hatter: you should change your name, it happens way to often people mention you while they want to mention me
14:45 < Hatsjoe> :P
14:45 < Hatsjoe> s/to/too/
14:45 <+layer-eight> Hatsjoe meant: "Hatter: you should change your name, it happens way too often people mention you while they want too mention me"
14:45 < Hatsjoe> god damnit layer-eight, learn some grammar, bad bot
14:46 < Hatter> Hatsjoe: How rude. Change YOUR stupid name! I've had this for centuries!
14:46 < odify> ihre, the current env im on means we need to come up with an entirely different CD solution for every client
14:46 < Hatter> well decades at least
14:46 < odify> ihre, which means we need a stable middle-man to do our OS config/bootstrapping while leaving devs alone to do their own thing
14:47 < odify> puppet is currently fitting that bill nicely, but im keeping my eye out for anything that can make my life easier
14:47 <+MillerBOSS> Learn to substitute Hatsjoe. :P
14:47 < Hatsjoe> Hatter: https://pastebin.com/fUnWjWQt I win
14:47 < Hatsjoe> MillerBOSS: I did not put a 'g' after the last slash so layer-eight is wrong here :P
14:48 <+MillerBOSS> Where is it wrong?
14:48 < Hatsjoe> He should've only substituted the first occurence
14:48 < Hatsjoe> not all occurences
14:48 < Hatter> Hatsjoe: I had to hack this name because of all the impostors
14:50  * MillerBOSS shrugs
14:50 <+MillerBOSS> I am new to IRC. First day here
14:50 < ihre> odify: Again, how does that matter which tool you use, if puppet works in that environment, fine, but that doesn't mean another solution could work better. At my previous job, puppet runs required 120-180s in most cases, the changes to the puppet code were pretty limited, 5-10 a week, so 90% of the time puppet wouldn't even apply changes. Instead of having changes on servers, it made more sense to
14:50 < ihre> move the puppet changes to packer scripts to create immutable instances.
14:51 < odify> im always looking for better solutions :)
14:51 < odify> puppet so far has been a trooper. stable and quick. no idea why you were getting puppet runs that long.
14:52 < ihre> i like puppet, my colleagues couldnt work with it ;\
14:52 < odify> yeah, we have a 100% hiera setup with pupet
14:52 < odify> all yaml
14:52 < odify> no ruby
14:52 < coderphive> Sup
14:52 < Hatsjoe> What helps a ton is enable the puppet run summary function which shows you a breakdown of the puppet run and what resources took how much time
14:53 < odify> so that the less code-oriented ops team can do the puppets
14:53 < ihre> its not chef, why bother with ruby anyways :^)
14:53 < Hatsjoe> That way its pretty damn easy to spot what eats up all the time in a puppet run
14:53 < ihre> most of it is abstracted through the puppet DSL
14:53 < ihre> and if your pre/post hooks are fine, shit shouldnt even land upstream
14:53 < ihre> i bet $prevjob still has puppet2.7 servers running ;_;
14:53 < odify> ihre, we dont use DSL with puppet
14:54 < odify> it's 100% hiera
14:54 < ihre> puppet IS a dsl odify :P
14:54 < odify> yeah, but we dont write DSL for direct config changes
14:54 < ihre> and hiera is  the abstraction between business and non business logic
14:54 < odify> we write yaml
14:54 < odify> yup.
14:54 < ihre> so you dont write puppet modules ..?
14:54 < odify> *I* do :P
14:54 < odify> the team doesn't have to
14:54 < Wannabejrsysadm> GUYS
14:55 < ihre> odify: beaker/
14:55 < Wannabejrsysadm> anyone who can help me with a dumb firewall question ?
14:55 < odify> means our support engineers can deploy shit super easy
14:55 < odify> coz yaml yo
14:56 <+enix> penis
14:56 <+enix> hallo odify and ihre
14:56 < ihre> i wish hiera had a proper vault backend ;_;
14:56 < ihre> sup enix
14:56 < odify> ihre, it does eyaml :P
14:56 <+enix> ihre: wishing to work on my imgboard script but ceebs
14:56 < odify> which works well enough
14:59 <+enix> rory wheres amy
14:59 <+enix> i wish to be her roman
15:00 <+MillerBOSS> ffs
15:00 <+MillerBOSS> How often does this happen? https://www.tenforums.com/windows-10-news/107364-cve-2018-0986-microsoft-malware-protection-engine-vulnerability.html
15:00 <+enix> MillerBOSS: every often
15:01 <+MillerBOSS> OK move along then. Nothing to see here
15:02 <+MillerBOSS> >To exploit this vulnerability, a specially crafted file must be scanned by an affected version of the Microsoft Malware Protection Engine. There are many ways that an attacker could place a specially crafted file in a location that is scanned by the Microsoft Malware Protection Engine. For example, an attacker could use a website to deliver a specially crafted file to the victim's system that is
15:02 <+MillerBOSS>  scanned when the website is viewed by the user.
15:02 <+MillerBOSS> I know this is nothing new but it makes me want to disallow automatic downloads in browsers
15:03 <+enix> it makes me want to learn how to craft such packages
15:03 <+enix> then create a bot net
15:03 <+enix> and spam weird porn on pornhub to fuck with their analytics around key global events
15:03 <+MillerBOSS> You gotta think someone has already
15:03 <+MillerBOSS> This is a good thing though >...because the built-in mechanism for the automatic detection and deployment of updates will apply the update within 48 hours of release
15:03 <+enix> yeah but not weird enough
15:03 <+enix> we need more boaty mcboatporn
15:04 <+enix> odify: you know much php?
15:05 <+enix> I have something I've created and I want to prevent all pages from loading without having to wrap the entire script in if (session){content}
15:05 <+enix> Does anyone know a recommended practice here?
15:07 <+enix> rkeene you present?
15:07 <+giant_it_burrit> the great tcl is always here
15:08 <+enix> the who what with a what who
15:10 <+enix> oh fuck it im ditching this for tonight and going to bed
15:10 <+enix> I'll spend more time on it tomorrow
15:10 <+enix> night all
15:14 <@JollyRgrs> giant_it_burrit: great, now i'm gonna think about rkeene as a 1960s little green alien guy who floats around
15:16 < Alternity> rather specific question - If I have the spectre firmware patches applied but have it disabled at the OS level
15:16 < Alternity> will there still be a performance impact
15:17 <+giant_it_burrit> JollyRgrs: isnt he tho?
15:17 < rr> anyone doing Tivoli monitoring here
15:17 < rr> can it be configured to detect predictive failure
15:18 < rr> let say on RAID controller, or disks?
15:18 <+MillerBOSS> I use gum
15:19 < Rhaal> Greetings everyone!
15:19 <+MillerBOSS> Hi Rhaal
15:20 < DomLS3> well gents, today is a good day
15:20 <+MillerBOSS> What, linuxdood died?
15:20 < insecurity> ..?
15:20 < DomLS3> not that good of a day
15:21 <+MillerBOSS> ha ha
15:21 < Rhaal> What happened? ' o '
15:21 < DomLS3> Got my vette!
15:21 <+MillerBOSS> rr 👉 What server?
15:21 < AnimalFarmPig> it's the worst day since yesterday
15:21 <+MillerBOSS> pfft
15:21 < AnimalFarmPig> sweet
15:21 <+MillerBOSS> rr 👉 I assume this doesn't help much https://goo.gl/hch9Ea+
15:21 < rr> MillerBOSS xSeries
15:22 < rr> MillerBOSS your link redirected to google analytics?
15:22 <+MillerBOSS> Click Original URL: webcache.googleusercontent.com/search
15:23 <+MillerBOSS> Its a long ass URL
15:23 < rr> currently our Tivoli monitoring team can do very basic things, like monitoring server up/down, cpu & mem & disk utilization
15:23 < Wannabejrsysadm> any good soul that can help me with a quick firewall question ?
15:23 <@mistiry> good morning
15:23 < rr> when i asked about monitor for predictive failure they have no clue
15:23 <+MillerBOSS> https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/community/forums/html/forum?id=11111111-0000-0000-0000-000000000796&ps=25 Or maybe this forum can help?
15:23 <+MillerBOSS> Forum: IBM Tivoli Monitoring (ITM) General Discussion
15:23 < McDonaldsWiFi> Anyone ever had to convert a domain thats in place to a new name?
15:24 < McDonaldsWiFi> is it as big as a bitch as I think it would be?
15:24 < rr> so i'd like to know if this is beyond its capability, so that it can be configured with agent installed on the Win server
15:24 < ihre> odify: oh sure eyaml works, but vault would be pretty great, especially on aws because of the sts assume role through vault and have it only access the actual secrets is allowed to based on the role :)
15:24 <+MillerBOSS> rr, I am only googl'n. I have no clue. Hopefully someone else here uses Tivoli.
15:25 < rr> ok MillerBOSS no worry
15:25 <+MillerBOSS> McDonaldsWiFi 👉 I have wanted to do that for a few years now but haven't tried it in a lab yet.
15:25 < rr> at least got someone to talk :)
15:25 <+MillerBOSS> Yeah you bet
15:25 <+MillerBOSS> No paid service to call anyone rr?
15:25 < McDonaldsWiFi> I wonder how that would work, would it break all the machines?
15:25 <+MillerBOSS> I wonder if you would need to move the machine to the new domain. I am only guessing
15:26 <+MillerBOSS> s/machine/machines
15:26 <+layer-eight> MillerBOSS meant: "I wonder if you would need to move the machines to the new domain. I am only guessing"
15:26 <+kbni> Alternity: come to vegas in may, get drunk with awox
15:27 <+MillerBOSS> McDonaldsWiFi 👉 Maybe you could create a new FQDN on the same DC, then via a group policy object make the changes on the workstations?
15:28 < arlion> MillerBOSS: how do you have emojis in your irc?
15:28 <+MillerBOSS> Its gotta be possible some how. Think businesses getting bought and sold.
15:28 <+MillerBOSS> Magic, arlion
15:28 <+MillerBOSS> I am using
15:28 <+MillerBOSS> I am using Textual 7.0.9-git (Build 180314.02) (Standalone Version)
15:28 <+MillerBOSS> So its fairly easy as it is built in to the OS
15:28 < arlion> texual sexual
15:29 < arlion> oh, it's on fore mac os?
15:29 <+MillerBOSS> Also https://millerboss.com/x/Screen-Shot-2018-04-04-08-29-08-J8.png
15:29 <+MillerBOSS> Yes
15:29 < arlion> I'll stay over here with my FOSS.
15:29 < McDonaldsWiFi> MillerBOSS: yeah from what I read renaming the domain is a PITA
15:30 < arlion> I really should try MacOS at some point, I feel that I would really like it
15:30 < arlion> Just, the price point is so dam high.
15:30 <+MillerBOSS> You can type say :) and 😊 comes up
15:30 < arlion> and the latest macbook's keys are not nice to type on, and the little bar up top is gimmiky.
15:31 < arlion> hopefully the next one is something I would buy.
15:31 <+MillerBOSS> Also Textual has this in the Touch Bar https://millerboss.com/x/Touch-Bar-Shot-2018-04-04-at-8.30.52-AM-yA.png
15:31 <+abakedapplepie> the little bar is optional
15:31 <+abakedapplepie> but the keyboard is lacklustre
15:31 <+TuxedoJack> Considering that by 2020 they'll all be on crippled ARM chips, fuck 'em
15:31 < mkillebrew> Yeah the key travel on my MBP touchbar model is like .5mm, so a piece of dust will make a key go wonky
15:31 < arlion> The mac books?.
15:31 < mkillebrew> but they're clickly and good otherwise
15:31 <+TuxedoJack> arlion: Apple's shifting away from x86 / x64 to its own chips
15:32 < arlion> reaalllyyyyy
15:32 <+abakedapplepie> which isnt a terrible thnig
15:32 <+MillerBOSS> I disagree with gimmiky. I feel you can't judge till you try it. Also get a used Mac then arlion. Even a Mac mini. I will personally help you if you need any help or advice. :)
15:32 < mkillebrew> allegedly
15:32 <+TuxedoJack> Yeah
15:32 <+TuxedoJack> Anyone else think it's a way to lock shit down and go App Store-only?
15:32 <+abakedapplepie> apple is doing amazing things with arm
15:32 <+abakedapplepie> more power to em
15:32 <+TuxedoJack> Lock it down, no jailbreaks, rootless...
15:32 <+abakedapplepie> no way. wouldnt happen. half their market is developers
15:32 < mkillebrew> I like the touchbar on my macbook, except it did away with the hard escape key, so now caps lock is an escape key
15:32 <+abakedapplepie> they know t hat
15:32 < arlion> MillerBOSS: 500
15:32 < arlion> dam
15:32 <+MillerBOSS> McDonaldsWiFi 👉 What is the reason behind wanting to change the domain name?
15:32 < rory> enix: ?
15:33 < rory> enix: I think you think I'm someone else
15:33 < McDonaldsWiFi> MillerBOSS: a huge fucking headache, this is why ;P
15:33 < McDonaldsWiFi> MillerBOSS: $company is merging with another and changing the name
15:33 < McDonaldsWiFi> MillerBOSS: rebuild is probably bes tto get everyone on the same page
15:33 < McDonaldsWiFi> but my $company is like 10x larger, so i figured we might could just rename and pull them in... idk just getting ideas
15:33 <+MillerBOSS> You can have multiple domains in the forest McDonaldsWiFi
15:34 < McDonaldsWiFi> yeah that's an option too
15:34 < McDonaldsWiFi> just trying to see all the options for the bigass project manager meet haha
15:34 < McDonaldsWiFi> meeting*
15:34 <+MillerBOSS> And just leave bought company alone?
15:34 <+MillerBOSS> Yeah I hear ya. Research AD design McDonaldsWiFi
15:35 <+MillerBOSS> That will get you a lot of info
15:35 < McDonaldsWiFi> yeah they are merging into our system, so they will adjust to us. kinda why I wanted to just rename
15:35 < McDonaldsWiFi> since everyone on my side will essentially stay the same
15:35 < McDonaldsWiFi> everything*
15:36  * MillerBOSS is listening to Toby Keith — How Do You Like Me Now?!, from the album How Do You Like Me Now?!
15:36 < arlion> mac book pro, 15 inch is 2.4k?
15:36 < arlion> who the fuck pays that much
15:36 <+MillerBOSS> People who buy them arlion
15:36 <+MillerBOSS> System Information: Model: MacBook Pro (15-inch, 2017) • CPU: Intel Core i7-7700HQ (8 Threads, 4 Cores) @ 2.80 GHz • Memory: 16.00 GB • Uptime: 3 hours • Disk Space: 250.69 GB • Graphics: Intel HD Graphics 630, Radeon Pro 555 • Display Resolution: 2560 x 1600 • OS: macOS High Sierra (Version 10.13.4, Build 17E199)
15:36 <+MillerBOSS> The machine is like a desktop
15:36 < arlion> My fucking laptop is better than that
15:36 <+abakedapplepie> arlion: surface pros are the same price
15:36 <+MillerBOSS> And its fast as fuck
15:37 <+abakedapplepie> i paid a lot for my macbook, but, its also 7 years old now and still works perfectly fine for everything i need it to do
15:37 <+abakedapplepie> so i have gotten my moneys worth
15:37 <+MillerBOSS> Also specs are not everything. Its the OS and quality of hardware. Also PCIe Flash
15:37 < arlion> https://www.amazon.com/VivoBook-i7-7700HQ-Processor-GeForce-keyboard/dp/B071ZL3996/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1522849055&sr=8-1&keywords=asus+m580vd
15:37 < arlion> that's my laptop
15:38 <+abakedapplepie> for me its the build quality thats it
15:38 < arlion> same shit as the mac high end  plus a GTX 1050 in it.
15:38 <+abakedapplepie> my last laptop was also $2k, a thinkpad that lasted me for 6 years
15:38 < arlion> and I bought mine for 800
15:38 <+MillerBOSS> Not the same by a long shot
15:38 <+MillerBOSS> :)
15:39 <+TuxedoJack> I dropped $70 on a new motherboard for my Precision M6500 - it, and all parts, were surplused from clients, so I spent $0 other than that for it, and it's a fucking tank
15:39 <+TuxedoJack> i7-920XM, 32GB RAM, 2x250GB SSD, 1x 120GB mSATA SSD, 1200p display...
15:40 <+TuxedoJack> And I only got the mobo so I could do a custom service tag
15:40 <+MillerBOSS> This machine has 4 USB-C ports that do USB 3.1 and Thunderbolt 3, arlion
15:40 <+TuxedoJack> https://i.imgur.com/J7B3csJ.jpg
15:40 <+MillerBOSS> Can drive 4 4K monitors if you wanted to
15:40 <+MillerBOSS> For example
15:40 < arlion> lol, but how many things actually take usb-c right now
15:40 < arlion> and I have a standard hdmi port
15:40 <+MillerBOSS> Many things actually
15:40 < arlion> All that I own, is my cell phone right now which is usb-c
15:41 <+abakedapplepie> arlion: in 2 years? fucking everything
15:41 < mkillebrew> literally everything does usb c
15:41 <+MillerBOSS> Plus adapters are nice. I love USB-C
15:41 < arlion> and my switch
15:41 <+MillerBOSS> Power is USB-C
15:41 < arlion> MillerBOSS: what is the amperage out of the usb-c slot?
15:41 < mkillebrew> you know you can get a cable that has a C end, right? you don't need adapters
15:41 < arlion> 500 Ma?
15:42 <+abakedapplepie> arlion i think theres a high power port but im trying to find it
15:42 <+MillerBOSS> Amps out? I have no idea
15:42 < rory> all new phones are usb c
15:42 < rory> but it's a very long way from "literally everything"
15:42 < arlion> if there is one that fast charges my phone, that is a huge +++ in my book.
15:42 < rory> micro USB is not going away soon
15:42 < rory> luckily those little dongle adaptors seem to breed in my house
15:42 < mkillebrew> doesn't the spec say 5a?
15:44 < arlion> Considering my phone charges at 2.4, I consider that much improbable.
15:44 <+abakedapplepie> 2.1 amps apparently on all ports
15:44 < arlion> Well, that's really cool.
15:44 <+abakedapplepie> but i think theres a fast charge port too
15:45 <+kbni> :(
15:46 < arlion> omg, 3.1 ghz version with 1tb of storage is 3.4k
15:46 < arlion> is this even with tax yet?
15:46 <+abakedapplepie> lol
15:46 <+abakedapplepie> no
15:46 < arlion> brah, I could screen shot this
15:47 <+abakedapplepie> do you need a tb? lol
15:47 <+abakedapplepie> you can do the same with dell
15:47 < arlion> yeah dude.
15:47 <+abakedapplepie> a tb ssd option is like +800
15:48 < Trapdoor> sounds like someone's getting a mac
15:48 <+TuxedoJack> Ew
15:49 <+MillerBOSS> All I say is you can't bitch if you never used one. Regardless of what the price tag says
15:49 < arlion> Trapdoor: hell no
15:49 < arlion> check out these apr rates
15:49 < arlion> he purchase APR will be 15.49%, 21.49%, or 28.49% variable, based on your credit worthiness. 								
15:49 <+MillerBOSS> You have no idea what you are missing.
15:49 <+MillerBOSS> :)
15:50 <+TuxedoJack> Don't they still use Barclay's for financing?
15:50 < arlion> my wallet is screaming for me to stop
15:50 < arlion> TuxedoJack: yes
15:51 <+kbni> Alternity: what do you say? :)
15:51 < arlion> Total.
15:51 < arlion> $3,636.93
15:51 <+abakedapplepie> geez
15:51 < arlion> for the mac book pro, 3.1 ghz 1tb
15:52 <+MillerBOSS> Also you are comparing a MacBook Pro to an Asus
15:52 <+MillerBOSS> Give me a break
15:52 <+TuxedoJack> Jesus fuck
15:52 <+kbni> plastic asus
15:52 <+TuxedoJack> At that point just get a fucking Precision
15:52 <+MillerBOSS> Asus, HP, etc
15:53 <+MillerBOSS> MacBook Pro, or any Macintosh, is not a Windows machine, although you can run and install Windows on it.
15:53 <+MillerBOSS> :)
15:53 <+kbni> I recently bought a new macbookpro. I went for the 17" with everything except graphics upgraded. It's a decent laptop. But the premium isn't for everyone. If you don't like using OS X there's next to no point going through with it.
15:54 <+MillerBOSS> 17'' hasn't been in some time. Do you mean 15''?
15:54 <+kbni> Is the premium worth it? Almost, but not really. It's worth it if you get a tax deduction or something.
15:54 <+MillerBOSS> Or did you get a used machine?
15:54 <+kbni> Yes, 15.6 sorry.
15:54 < starbomba> millerboss, do i need to remind you what happens when you get a little too buckwild
15:55 <+MillerBOSS> No, you can remind my body guard. See MillerBOSS, starbomba
15:55 < Church-> heh
15:55  * starbomba points every millerboss towards the edge of the quarry
15:55 < starbomba> discuss amongst yourselves
15:55 < arlion> look at me, im so right I can blow 3.6k on a fucking laptop
15:55 <+abakedapplepie> is anyone else disconnecting from freenode
15:56 <+abakedapplepie> just got 5 disconnects in the last 7 minutes
15:56 <+MillerBOSS> Too bad that quarry is no longer open as it has been filled in, starbomba.
15:56 < arlion> god dam, I don't think I could suck enough dick to pay that off.
15:56 < Alternity> kbni: tempting but how do i get work to pay for it
15:56 <+kbni> The touchbar is borderline gimmicky, you will need a dock/dongle (there are nice ones though), the processor could be better, and RAM tops out at 16GB.. but I have to say this machine is serving my well as my daily driver and I'm pretty happy with it. That being said I'm pretty in to OS X, I don't particularly like Windows for work and for me it works.
15:56 < Trapdoor> abakedapplepie, you haven't disconnected?
15:56 < Alternity> new xps 15 refresh will have 6 cores :D
15:56 <+kbni> Alternity: ask them if they know who Awox is. then ask them if that's the kind of internet spaceship captain they want to be on the wrong side of.
15:56 <+MillerBOSS> But why would you get the 3.1 Ghz and 1TB Flash if you are not needing it?
15:56 < Trapdoor> or are you talking about KyleG, voidalpha, thegrif, legacy etc?
15:57 < arlion> Yeah, I'll get work to pay for it.
15:57 < arlion> or something.
15:57 <+MillerBOSS> Are you going to be mining on it?
15:57 < arlion> MillerBOSS: I already max out my present laptop using ubuntu
15:57 <+kbni> arlion: work purchased mine through FBT which means I didn't have to pay tax on it, so I figured it was worthwhile :)
15:57 <+MillerBOSS> If you want to bitch look at the iMac Pro. I am sure you'll say the same words. :P
15:57 < KyleG> Trapdoor hi, who are you and how do you know me? lol
15:57 < arlion> MillerBOSS: if you don't think I can absolutly max any laptop handed to me, it is instane.
15:58 < KyleG> I do have the top spec'd 13" MBP lol
15:58 < KyleG> hate the touch bar, love the i7 and the SSD
15:58 <+MillerBOSS> There is a use case for these machines. Also we are not mentioning the support you get from Apple that is part of the price
15:58 < Trapdoor> KyleG, we frequent the same irc channel that's about it
15:58 <@Code_Man65> Did you guys see the news that apple is going to be moving away from intel?
15:58 < arlion> interestingly, I am onl;why using 238G of the 1 TB drive I have here.
15:58 < arlion> Code_Man65: yeah, that could be a huge mistake.
15:58 < Trapdoor> Let me guess Code_Man65 they're gonna source processors from Oracle?
15:59 <+MillerBOSS> Going to be is still a rumor, Code_Man65
15:59 <@Code_Man65> Trapdoor:  https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-02/apple-is-said-to-plan-move-from-intel-to-own-mac-chips-from-2020
15:59 <+kbni> I have to say, I am a huge fan of the keyboard, trackpad and screen on this thing. Feels nice to use, but that's probably all psychological. Honestly if you've not used OS X, aren't a fan of Apple products, there's probably better value elsewhere. Just consider that the build quality is /decent/ on the MBP, and consider the build quality of alternatives.
15:59 < Trapdoor> Sorry if I seemed interested Code_Man65
15:59 <@Code_Man65> It doesn't surprise me, apple has NEVER been a fan of using common hardware really.  They want full control to be able to do it their way.
15:59 < Trapdoor> I couldn't give a rats ass what Apple is doing
15:59 < Trapdoor> fuck em
16:00 < arlion> hey hey hey, if you have to whore yourself out. At least get a mac book pro for free from them.
16:00 <+kbni> Code_Man65: that's kind of interesting to me :)
16:00 < Trapdoor> https://i.imgur.com/IZVE4Hu.jpg
16:01 <@Code_Man65> Then it wasn't a waste kbni
16:02 <+kbni> Alternity: if you come to vegas I'll let you type one or two sentences on my sexc mbp
16:03 < ihre> Alternity: i'd skip, that offer isnt very compelling
16:04 < starbomba> hey felda why is pfsense too retarded to stand up without having an active wan connection
16:05 < pfsense> lol
16:05 < felda> I forgot I was still had that nick active
16:05 < felda> > i was still had
16:05 < starbomba> one shitbird mod whines whenever someone doesn't offer help on questions. one shitbird mod just kicks people who ask questions.
16:05 < felda> wow
16:05 < starbomba> gee i wonder whence the dysfunction.
16:05  * starbomba eyeroll
16:06 <@Code_Man65> starbomba:  No, my /felda command didn't work indicating he wasn't in the channel
16:06 < starbomba> sounds like a personal problem
16:06 <@Code_Man65> And when that happens the person whom says pfsense becomes the standin
16:06 <@Code_Man65> Regardless, carry on with your question
16:06 < Hatter> !report starbomba disrespectful attitude towards channel leadership
16:07 < starbomba> https://redmine.pfsense.org/issues/6594 cheers for year-old bugs that haven't had a thing done
16:08 < grumplestiltzkin> s/with your question/my wayward son
16:08 <+layer-eight> Code_Man65 meant: "Regardless, carry on my wayward son"
16:09 <+MillerBOSS> That is a feature starbomba
16:09 < felda> starbomba it'll get fixed eventually
16:10 < starbomba> felda it's been the longest-standing unfixed bug on the platform
16:10 < starbomba> search and learn
16:10 < starbomba> it's an unacceptable glitch
16:10 < felda> says on that bug page 100% fixed
16:10 < felda> which version are you running?
16:10 < starbomba> um, no
16:10 < starbomba> not fixed. just closed.
16:10 < starbomba> like the last 2394805890234 times
16:10 < starbomba> go ahead and stand up a brand new pfsense.
16:10 < starbomba> then restore your config
16:11 < felda> They moved it to a new ticket
16:11 < starbomba> i wish you luck explaining why your site is going to be down for 45 minutes
16:11 < sideup66> Pfsense
16:11  * sideup66 embodies pfsense
16:11 < starbomba> this falls somewhere between "laziest shit ever" and "absolutely unacceptable retarded"
16:11 < felda> so you have no WAN?
16:12 < starbomba> of course i have a wan. read the bug
16:12 <@Code_Man65> That does seem like a major problem if it won't come up
16:12 < starbomba> pfsense can't authenticate pppoe during boot. therefore no matter what you do you can't trigger the wan for a 45 minute timeout
16:13 <@Code_Man65> Yeah, that's dumb
16:14 < felda> not sure what I'm supposed to about it lel
16:14 < felda> it sure does suck
16:14 < starbomba> you have to wait for the function to just decide "okay i've tried enough" https://redmine.pfsense.org/issues/6594#change-32802
16:14 < starbomba> and pfsense "devs" keep closing the ticket and punting
16:15 < starbomba> it's the "what can we steal from jobs" method that made billy gates rich with minimal effort
16:16 < starbomba> oh well, fuck it. i can find 45 minutes of porn on the internet
16:16 < felda> Did you try the work around?
16:17 < starbomba> doesn't work, just reinitializes the "needs_sync" function in the 6594 bug report that was mysteriously "closed"
16:17 < starbomba> if you try disabling the repos, it sits there and bombs out for the next 45 minutes with 1 error after another
16:17 < starbomba> so i re-enabled repos, restarted the boot process, and i guess i'm stuck letting it go until 11am
16:17 < starbomba> therefore: pr0n
16:19 <+MillerBOSS> Did you try turning it off and on again?
16:19 < starbomba> that's, uh, literally the problem
16:19 < starbomba> go back into your quarry with your eight-track tapes
16:19  * starbomba points
16:19 <+MillerBOSS> I am on the quarry, sooo
16:20 < felda> have you tried getting Internet in a form that isn't from 1999?
16:20 < starbomba> are you levitating above a hole in the earth
16:20 <+MillerBOSS> As stated above the quarry has been fill in for some time now.
16:20 < starbomba> felda, i don't see what internet has to do with the fact that pfsense confirmed this is a bug
16:20 < starbomba> millerboss, nope. it's an active quarry
16:20 < starbomba> the guards will escort you back down to your hole
16:21 < vinrock> pfsense PFSEEEENSE suck my diiiick pfseeeense
16:21 < felda> you could also git gud and not have to restore pfsense
16:21 < starbomba> lol. if pfsense didn't suck maybe
16:21 < starbomba> but, again, it's built into the system
16:21 < starbomba> also i wrote this config. it's as gud as it gets
16:21 < starbomba> get on my level, son
16:21 <+MillerBOSS> I think you are at the wrong quarry then.
16:22  * MillerBOSS looks for the 8 tracks
16:22 <+abakedapplepie> >config doesnt work
16:22 <+abakedapplepie> >i wrote the config
16:22 <+abakedapplepie> :P
16:22 < starbomba> millerboss, the armed guards will arrive shortly. please prepare a karaoke rendition of christopher cross's "sailing" or beatings will commence
16:22 < felda> that's just how it be.  there is literally nothing I can do.  you can spam posts on the pfsense forums maybe or make a huge stink on reddit?
16:22 < vinrock> any you guys getting tons of "Error        : Could not load file or assembly 'Mindscape.Raygun4Net4, Version=5.5.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=002e1b57394fa9b9' or one of its dependencies. The system cannot find the file specified." events with current pdq inventory?
16:22 < starbomba> abakedapplepie is the kind of sysadmin who thinks a bug in the software is equivalent to the configuration
16:22 < starbomba> wow. the dumbfucks are out en masse today
16:22  * MillerBOSS gets ready
16:22  * MillerBOSS is listening to Christopher Cross — Sailing, from the album Christopher Cross
16:22 <+abakedapplepie> hey man im just poking you
16:22  * starbomba summons anyone with an iq over 100
16:23 <+TuxedoJack> Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaailg
16:23 <+MillerBOSS> starbomba 👉 is triggered today
16:23 < felda> IQs are racist REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
16:23 <+TuxedoJack> MillerBOSS: Are you sailing away, free to chart a course across the virgin sea
16:23 <+MillerBOSS> I will be soon.
16:23 < felda> nah I totally get it that bug is shite and I have no idea why they haven't fixed it yet
16:23 <+TuxedoJack> You've got to be free, free to face the life that's ahead of ye
16:24 < starbomba> are you saying millerboss is a dennis deyoung and not a tommy shaw
16:24 <+MillerBOSS> I think I will listen to https://itunes.apple.com/us/playlist/i-miss-yacht-rock/pl.1870421bdeb74580831f17505e5d32d9 because starbomba said so
16:24 < starbomba> has a single fan of "yacht rock" in history ever been able to afford an actual yacht
16:24 <+abakedapplepie> what is yacht rock
16:24 < starbomba> or is that an ironic name, like "ace" or "boss man"
16:24 <+MillerBOSS> Probably back in the 70s yeah
16:25 <+MillerBOSS> When this music was hipper than hi[
16:25 <+MillerBOSS> hip*
16:25 < starbomba> yacht rock is everything jimmy buffett ever wrote
16:25 <+MillerBOSS> lol
16:25 < SynMonger> I'm hep to the music of today's children
16:26 < felda> I only listen to good music like Lil Yachty and 6ix9ine
16:26 < Church-> TuxedoJack: Wrong 80's music my man.
16:26 < Church-> Put the good stuff on.
16:26 < Church-> Tears for Fears.
16:26 < Church-> Or some Duran Duran.
16:26 < starbomba> hello young american popular students. i am, how you say, hip to your modern musics like the lordes and the weeknds and the katy perrys
16:26 < Church-> Or hell, I'd even take Oingo Boingo.
16:26 < starbomba> let us discuss these popular artists further in a familiar setting, da?
16:26  * Church- snrrk
16:27 < Church-> starbomba: I know an immigrant who talks like that.
16:27 < starbomba> i was listening to "insanity" the other night
16:27 < Church-> I love the guy but god I can't help but laugh when I hear him speak.
16:27 < felda> wow starbomba is so strong to say that about todays kids
16:27  * MillerBOSS is listening to Daryl Hall & John Oates — She's Gone, from the album Rhino Hi-Five: Hall & Oates - EP
16:27 < Church-> So, I'm making a spy-plane.
16:28 <+MillerBOSS> Smooooth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yacht_rock abakedapplepie
16:28 < starbomba> by the end of today abakedapplepie will be a confirmed fan of every rupert holmes deep cut in existence
16:28 <+abakedapplepie> lol
16:29 <+abakedapplepie> oh wat
16:29 <+abakedapplepie> yacht rock was coined 25 years after the genre was popular
16:29 <+abakedapplepie> how does that work
16:29 <+MillerBOSS> Then call it West Coast Sound
16:29 < starbomba> so was "freedom rock"
16:29 <+MillerBOSS> Still the same music what ever you call it
16:29 < mkillebrew> hipsters were coined 50 years after the style was popular
16:30 < mkillebrew> motherfuckers in their high water pants and beard, look like they should be making moonshine in the black hills or something
16:30 <+MillerBOSS> s/holmes/holmes and Michael McDonald/
16:30 <+layer-eight> starbomba meant: "by the end of today abakedapplepie will be a confirmed fan of every rupert holmes and Michael McDonald deep cut in existence"
16:31 < mkillebrew> selling it to gold prospectors
16:31  * Church- coughs
16:31  * Church- puts away his beard, pants and moonshine.
16:32 <+MillerBOSS> But why? No need to put it away. Share
16:32 < mkillebrew> yeah, nothing like methanol blindness to start your day
16:33 < starbomba> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJRPMAG_vGA
16:33 <+layer-eight> YouTube Yah-Mo be There *James Ingram & Michael McDonald * (LIVE) by 2011-06-02T22:00:18.000Z (duration: 4:28) on Fri Jun 03 05:00:18 UTC 2011, 2011-06-02T22:00:18.000Z views
16:33 < starbomba> mcdonald's most legendary work
16:33 < mkillebrew> you listen to awful things
16:34 <+abakedapplepie> lol
16:34 <+MillerBOSS> omg
16:34 < Hatter> mkillebrew is right
16:34 <+MillerBOSS> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRdLWbOAUEY
16:34 <+layer-eight> YouTube The 40 Year Old Virgin - Michael McDonald Scene (1080p) by 2014-02-11T02:37:46.000Z (duration: 46s) on Tue Feb 11 09:37:46 UTC 2014, 2014-02-11T02:37:46.000Z views
16:35 < starbomba> when millennials fail2meme
16:36 <+MillerBOSS> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5P1HIdYTOQ Thats me. Its sounds good!
16:36 <+layer-eight> YouTube The 40 Year Old Virgin - Michael McDonald Scene 2 (1080p) by 2014-05-13T08:58:20.000Z (duration: 29s) on Tue May 13 15:58:20 UTC 2014, 2014-05-13T08:58:20.000Z views
16:38 <+MillerBOSS> 59 seconds?
16:38 < JFDkthx>  estranger GARBAGE DAY
16:38 <+MillerBOSS> High latency somewhere
16:38 < estranger> GAAARBAAGE DAAAY
16:38 < estranger> shit it is, thx.. gotta scoop the shitboxes
16:38 < grumplestiltzkin> just drink the stuff under the sink
16:38 <+abakedapplepie> which bottle
16:38 <+abakedapplepie> the white one or the blue one
16:39 <+abakedapplepie> or the orange one
16:39 < grumplestiltzkin> yes
16:39 <+MillerBOSS> The one with the YUCK sticker
16:39 < Hatter> That's Mr. Yuck to you
16:39 <+MillerBOSS> Yeah
16:39 < estranger> Mr Yuck
16:40 < estranger> and this fuckign cat keeps invading my video call
16:45 < OMenor> Bye
16:45 <+abakedapplepie> NO U
16:50 < Reverend> apparently, getting a mortgage here in the UK is a fucking nightmare
16:50 < Reverend> #js
16:53 < Trapdoor> what do we say to the god of windows update?
16:53 < Trapdoor> remind me tomorrow
16:53 < JFDkthx> yum tatertots from the cafeteria
16:54 < Hatter> Trapdoor: pretty funny
16:54 < JFDkthx> Reverend: what are you doing in the uk
16:54 < JFDkthx> u a fukkin turncoat now?
16:56 < starbomba> sometimes the CFO of the company dances naked through the hallways of the office while listening to fleetwood mac's "tusk" on his mp3 player
16:56 < JFDkthx> and you just watch?
16:56 < JFDkthx> why not join him
16:57 < starbomba> because i didn't go to USC :(
16:59 < vinrock> "There was a delay of 52260 minutes prior to the message being received by Office 365."
16:59 < vinrock> lolwut
17:00 < Reverend> JFDkthx I've always been here
17:01 < Bru-> anyone here manage Ruckus APs?
17:02 < Bru-> anyone here manage Ruckus APs?
17:02 < KyleG> Bru- yes I do
17:02 < Bru-> oops sorry
17:03 < Bru-> KyleG: you familiar with the transmit power settings?
17:03 < KyleG> vaguely, I just have mine set to auto, so they allegedly scan the area and adjust around interference.
17:03 < Bru-> KyleG: im wondering if "Auto" will actually adjust close-by APs transmit power accordingly to optimise coverage but not flood wifi
17:04 < KyleG> it should but a lot of that also depends on the physical layout and the building materials near the AP
17:04 < KyleG> I like to go with it and adjust as needed
17:05 < Bru-> hmm
17:05 < Bru-> we have on-the-move warehouse pickers that use headsets
17:05 < Bru-> so they move from AP to AP actively
17:05 < Bru-> when we had them on Auto, they would drop constantly
17:05 < Bru-> so im having to adjust manually
17:05 < Bru-> the physical layout sucks IMO
17:06 < Bru-> of the warehouse, but i cant change that unfortunately
17:06 < Bru-> tbh im of the opinion that we need to swap out their omnis for directionals
17:06 < KyleG> Which APs are you running?
17:06 < KyleG> I've got R700s
17:07 < Bru-> r700 and r710
17:07 < estranger> they keep using metaphors about hunting/cutting up/eating elephants on this call
17:07 < ebol4> headsets migrating from AP to AP sounds awful to try to administer
17:07 < KyleG> ^
17:07 < Bru-> ebol4: its not normally that bad
17:07 < Bru-> keep their AP set to a/n/ac only
17:07 < Bru-> turn on 802.11k
17:07 < Bru-> enable fast roam
17:08 < ebol4> i say just sell the APs and have everyone yell really loud
17:08 < ebol4> or invest in walkie talkies
17:08 < Bru-> right??
17:08 < Bru-> well theyre being told by the kind computer voice what products to pick and load the pallet
17:08 < Bru-> we have 16 guys doing this at once
17:08 < ebol4> ahhhh
17:08 < asimon> install some pneumatic bank tubes
17:08 < Bru-> haha
17:09 < ebol4> a brain implant that lets the nice computer lady talk to them whenever it wants
17:09 < Bru-> lol
17:09 < asimon> ebol4: Well the Windows team at microsoft is being merged under their AI team so that's not actually that far off
17:09 < ebol4> i didn't even know they made headsets that operated on like an actual wireless network
17:10 < Bru-> well
17:10 < Bru-> they carry around a little module on their belt, then a headset is BT paired to the module
17:10 < ebol4> oh i see
17:10 < ebol4> this is all very complicated
17:10 < Bru-> gotta love the soda industry!
17:11 < ebol4> how come they don't have autopilot forklifts or something
17:11  * Bru- shrugs
17:11 < ebol4> it'd be like that forklift operator klaus video, but mixed with maximum overdrive
17:11 <+TuxedoJack> Anyone else noticing major lag when they load up a site with content from LivePerson (e.g. scripts / APIs)?
17:12 <+TuxedoJack> Seven separate, geographically-disparate clients have had tickets in this morning about that
17:12 <+TuxedoJack> 40 seconds to load a single goddamn script file
17:12 < ebol4> are the liveperson things being loaded from a cdn or something
17:12 <+TuxedoJack> Direct from LP, from the look of it
17:12 < ebol4> that's dumb
17:12 <+TuxedoJack> At least, that's what the Chrome logs say
17:12 <+TuxedoJack> From Ctrl+Shift+I
17:14 < JFDkthx> Reverend: i thought you were in nevada or some shit
17:17 < MrFantastik> hey guys, how to i go about getting an email server off of spam lists?
17:17 < MrFantastik> im not a spammer
17:17 < ebol4> each spam list probably has a request page
17:18 < ebol4> or some way to request
17:18 < ebol4> and make sure you set up SPF and stuff
17:18 < Nightcinder> ugh i hate this
17:18 < Nightcinder> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Fvlm6EZf/image.png
17:18 < Nightcinder> it's not open anywhere
17:18 < MrFantastik> iive set up spf
17:18 < MrFantastik> im pretty sure
17:18 < Nightcinder> i wish it told me where this magical other program was
17:18 < MrFantastik> im not really sure to find out what spam lists im on
17:18 < ebol4> mxtoolbox
17:18 < MrFantastik> i checked sorbs and im ont on there
17:18 < ebol4> mxtoolbox will check a bunch of them for you
17:19 < ebol4> you can also just send an email to your personal gmail or something and check the message headers to verify that you see SPF PASS or something similar
17:19 < ebol4> to make sure SPF is working
17:20 < MrFantastik> i did that and the only errors i get from that are reverse dns
17:20 < MrFantastik> which i thought i had set up properly
17:20 < ebol4> oh yeah, you definitely need that
17:20 < MrFantastik> https://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=mx%3abvzzdesign.com&run=toolpage
17:20 < MrFantastik> this is my result from the blocklists doesn't seem like im on any
17:21 < ebol4> MrFantastik: the reverse DNS record for that IP is bvzzdesign.com, but your MX record is MAIL.bvzzdesign.com
17:21 < ebol4> they don't match
17:21 < MrFantastik> so i need to change my reverse dns record?
17:21 < ebol4> yep, or change your mx record
17:22 < ebol4> but that would probably also involve changing your server config
17:22 < ebol4> since it's probably sending from mail.whatever.com too, not just whatever.com
17:22 < MrFantastik> okay
17:23 < MrFantastik> reverse dns, is that a CNAME?
17:23 < ebol4> reverse DNS is the PTR record
17:23 < ebol4> you would usually set this via your server provider's website or something
17:23 < ebol4> not in DNS
17:24 < ebol4> unless you own the IP
17:24 < MrFantastik> i don't own the IP but its static
17:24 < ebol4> are you renting a server from some VPS provider?
17:24 < MrFantastik> yes from vultr
17:24 < ebol4> https://www.vultr.com/docs/how-to-create-reverse-dns-or-ptr-records-in-the-vultr-control-panel
17:26 < estranger> if you dont control the IP you cant set the PTR
17:26 < MrFantastik> thanks ebol4!
17:26 < ihre> dig -x yourip -> should return your domain
17:26 < ihre> estranger: but you can request it, 99 times out of 100 :p
17:26 < estranger> ptr goes on the in-addr.arpa not on the domain's zone
17:26 < ebol4> please like the smackeroo button
17:28 < MrFantastik> one more question
17:28 < estranger> cool vultr looks to make it easy
17:28 < estranger> AWs you gotta say yer an email server :)
17:28 < mkillebrew> I should make a robot bacon baking oven.
17:28 < ihre> estranger: yeah true but the answer with dig just shows the reverse zone which in turn points back to your domain with a ptr, no idea re: nslookup or w/e
17:28 < MrFantastik> well you have to do it on vultr too
17:28 < MrFantastik> the block your smtp port unless you ask them to open it
17:29 < dragonfleas> Does anyone here have a Western Digital NAS?
17:29 <+abakedapplepie> TIL the rDNS spec allows for multiple records
17:29 < dragonfleas> I'm having this crazy issue where randomly it's http/https services go down
17:29 < ebol4> MrFantastik: FYI, your SPF record is also on plain old bxfmoadmd.com, not MAIL.iooasdmosa.com
17:29 <+abakedapplepie> i thought you could only have one reverse
17:29 < ebol4> so it won't work
17:29 < ihre> abakedapplepie: that is how i set up postfix across multiple AZs
17:30 < mkillebrew> You'll have to do DKIM as well in DNS if you want like yahoo or gmail to take your mail
17:30 < ihre> just request a PTR per nat gateway ;p
17:30 < ebol4> the world does not need more than one arizon
17:30 < ebol4> a
17:30 < mkillebrew> MTA signs outgoing with the private, public is in a TXT record
17:30 < MrFantastik> ebol4 care to elaborate on that please? im not sure what that means
17:30 < estranger> i cant wrap my head around why youd need multiple ptr
17:31 < ebol4> MrFantastik: when you set your SPF record (the TXT record) in DNS, you put it on bvzzdesign.com, not mail.bvzzdesign.com
17:31 < MrFantastik> thanks
17:31 < ebol4> it needs to go on mail.sadsdadsad.com if that's where emails are being sent from
17:31 <+MillerBOSS> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_DNS_lookup#Multiple_pointer_records
17:31 < ihre> estranger: multiple ec2 instances in different AZ's, 1 nat gw per subnet, ptr per natgw ?
17:32 < ihre> otherwise if you only have 1 ptr for a single nat gw which dies, the rest bounces?
17:32 <+abakedapplepie> im specifically talking about multiple PTR records for a single IP
17:32 < ihre> _possibly_ SES is easier, but w/e
17:32 < estranger> why do you need to get a hostname from your gateway IP?
17:32 < mkillebrew> you can do a lot of things with DNS, doesn't mean you should
17:33 <+abakedapplepie> oh man like that one guy that mapped inventory to dns
17:33 < mkillebrew> It's just a KV store over UDP
17:33 < estranger> heh
17:33 < estranger> IP over DNS is fun though.
17:33 <+abakedapplepie> first octet was location, second was type, third was qty, fiorth was a serial
17:33 < mkillebrew> or TCP if you want a lot
17:33 <+abakedapplepie> or something like that
17:33 <+abakedapplepie> it was insane
17:33 < upmime> hi upmine.
17:34 < ebol4> hacker!
17:34 < MrFantastik> is it unsafe to share dns records?
17:34 < mkillebrew> what
17:34 < ebol4> your dns records are publicly available
17:34 < MrFantastik> https://screenshots.firefox.com/qMHKW0sRcgTMSNle/my.vultr.com
17:35 < MrFantastik> im not sure what you mean about my spf is going to bvzzdesing.com instead of mail.bvzzdesign.com
17:35 < ebol4> MrFantastik: the second column is blank in your SPF record
17:35 < mkillebrew> so you have an MX for mail but no A?
17:36 < MrFantastik> okay and yes
17:36 < MrFantastik> should i have an A?
17:36 < estranger> MX records need a A (or cname i think is OK too)
17:36 < estranger> MX points to a hostname... that hostname has to resolve
17:36 < MrFantastik> i mean
17:36 < MrFantastik> i can send mail right now
17:36 < MrFantastik> and receive
17:36 < ebol4> MrFantastik: for example, your DKIM record is default_domainkey.bvzzdesign.com
17:36 < MrFantastik> its just going to spam
17:37 < ebol4> correct, that's because SPF is set up incorrectly probably
17:37 < mkillebrew> "go send mail to mail.example.com"  "ok, where is mail.example.com"   "that doesn't exist"
17:37 < estranger> emails you send are going to spam? yeah.. its hard ot send email anymore :)
17:37 < mkillebrew> This is a case where you need to RTFM first.
17:37 < ebol4> you have an A record for lonehen.bvzzdesign.com, for example. but you have no TXT records for mail.bvzzdesign.com
17:38 < ebol4> that second column is the subdomain
17:38 < ebol4> if it's blank, then it is a record for your bare domain
17:38 < hxcsp> @
17:40 < MrFantastik> https://screenshots.firefox.com/5pvqswfR9Yb6Cfn9/my.vultr.com
17:40 < MrFantastik> is this what it should look like?
17:41 < mkillebrew> If you have one IP for web/mail/whatever it's best to have the MX just go to the base and not mail.whatever.com
17:41 < mkillebrew> it makes certs easier
17:42 < ebol4> it should be default_domainkey.mail, _dmarc.mail,
17:42 < mkillebrew> and your reverse just goes to whatever.com instead of mail.
17:42 <+MillerBOSS> How many email users are there MrFantastik?
17:42 < ihre> estranger: through the natgw is the route to the internet from a private subnet, so that is where the ptr should point towards
17:42 < MrFantastik> well for now its like 3
17:42 < MrFantastik> MillerBOSS
17:42 < ihre> in the case of hosting postfix in a private subnet that is ;p
17:42 < estranger> routing has nothing to do w/ ptr's though... hence my confusion
17:42 < MrFantastik> ill change the default_domainkey
17:43 <+MillerBOSS> I totally suggest getting set up with G Suite instead. I know that is not the fix you asked for but will save you from these headaches and you can call someone 24/7 to walk you through with exactly what you are wanting to do now: SPF, DMARC, DKIM, SPAM etc.
17:43 < MrFantastik> mkillerbrew i think im going to leave that as is because it works rn
17:43 < ihre> https://www.mail-tester.com/ +++
17:44 < ihre> has some nice guides on what/where you need to make adjustments as well
17:44 < ebol4> but then you don't get to experience the joy of troubleshooting postfix and DNS
17:44 < MrFantastik> MillerBOSS i know but i wanted to learn
17:44 < ihre> or if your dns/spf/dkim/dmarc is badly configured
17:44 < ihre> and links to useful guides on How to fix it ;p
17:44 < dragonfleas> As a sole-role, would an ITIL cert help me?
17:44 <+MillerBOSS> But hosting your own email server to me is not worth the headaches for production users. :P
17:45 <@upmime> i can recommend g suite
17:45 <@upmime> it's great
17:45 < Casteil> fuck's sake
17:45 < hxcsp> as someone who hosted a mail server for a few years for their extended family
17:45 < hxcsp> it sucks
17:45 < ihre> idk i've never had issues with dovecot or postfix
17:45 < ebol4> i run my own mail server but i'm the only one who uses it
17:45 < ihre> other uses too
17:45 < ebol4> exim4 and dovecot babey
17:45 < ihre> no complaints here
17:45 < ebol4> plus spamassassin and clamav
17:45 < ihre> amavisd!
17:46 < hxcsp> mine was postfix
17:46 < hxcsp> spamassasin
17:46 < Casteil> "Hey guys - we know it's been 2 months but it looks like our huge national payroll provider can't do what we asked.. so we need you to build payroll functionality into our sales/service application. Oh, and we need it done ASAP"
17:46 < hxcsp> roundcubeeeeeeee
17:46 < Casteil> paraphrasing, but yeah. fuckin hell
17:46 <@upmime> rip Casteil.
17:46 < MrFantastik> do i need to add a dmarc for every user?
17:47 < MrFantastik> ialso thenaks for the link ihre
17:47 < ebol4> Casteil: "hey can we get a uhhhh, massive addition to our application? an addition that entire companies base themselves around and are generally developed and managed by huge teams of people?"
17:47 < mkillebrew> postfix/dovecot/spamassassin/dkim-milter/postgrey is pretty awesome
17:47 < Casteil> ebol4: pretty much.
17:48 < Casteil> my thoughts exactly.
17:48 < ihre> estranger: with a priv subnet routing and the ptr do come together, in just a public one it doesnt matter, or am i missing something ?
17:48 < starbomba> lol 97 minutes and pfsense still won't boot
17:48 < ebol4> like, just use ADP you wingus
17:48 <@upmime> starbomba: have you contacted felda
17:48 < felda> lel
17:48 < felda> it's a bug
17:48 < mkillebrew> greylisting is the absolute lowest cost effort to trim a ton of spam
17:48 < felda> nothing i can do
17:48 < starbomba> it's a years-old bug that keeps getting closed, reopened, and sitting for 10 months at a time unassigned
17:49 < starbomba> a.k.a. the story of a dead FOSS project
17:49 <@upmime> :o
17:49 < starbomba> https://redmine.pfsense.org/issues/7604 <-- latest report/reopened. nearly a year old and not even assigned out
17:49 < ihre> like mysql-make-toast ?
17:49 < ihre> #2
17:50 < felda> AKA Gonzoponcho literally hates starbutt
17:50 < felda> not sure why they keep sweeping it under the rug. frankly it seems maximum retardo to me
17:50 < ebol4> we have captured, and compromised to a permanent end, osama. bin. laden.
17:51 < felda> Geee I sure would like to make sure people enjoy our software? But what if we let it never get past boot that would be great right?
17:51 < felda> oh damn we got ourselves some freenode staff in here
17:51 < felda> they must have come for the pfsense
17:51 <+MillerBOSS> Speaking of DMARC https://www.axios.com/outgoing-white-house-emails-not-protected-by-verification-system-deafc584-759b-4c8f-969a-3ced8a8059f8.html
18:00 <+MillerBOSS> ・゜゜・。。・ ​ ゜゜\​_ó< quack​!
18:00 < MrFantastik> bang
18:00 < MrFantastik> *bang
18:01 < MrFantastik> dang duck is crafty
18:01 <+MillerBOSS> ;)
18:03 < dragonfleas> s/*bang/ur mum
18:03 < dragonfleas> :o
18:07 < JFDkthx> cryptic1 get back to work
18:07 <+MillerBOSS> Nope. JFDkthx He has been sent home for the day.
18:07 < JFDkthx> good riddance
18:08 < JFDkthx> for once we get to oppress the mods
18:08 <@cryptic1> D:
18:08 < JFDkthx> i say we start a mutiny
18:09 < JFDkthx> ok, guess i'll just mutiny then
18:09  * JFDkthx kicks Code_Man65
18:09  * JFDkthx kicks cryptic1
18:09  * JFDkthx kicks JollyRgrs
18:09 < gnupluslinux> fuck this gay earth
18:09 < gnupluslinux> wait does +q block /me ?
18:09 < JFDkthx> yes
18:09 <+MillerBOSS> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/89o16y/im_mark_karpel%C3%A8s_exceo_of_bankrupt_mtgox_ask_me/?st=JFL67ETU&sh=202cdb9c
18:11 < JFDkthx> #RSA says IRC will stay in pfsense, despite DomLS3 eagerness to withdraw
18:12  * MillerBOSS is listening to England Dan Seals & John Ford Coley — I'd Really Love to See You Tonight, from the album Rhino Hi-Five: England Dan & John Ford Coley - EP
18:12 <+MillerBOSS> DrGibby| 👉 ^
18:12 <+MillerBOSS> I'd Really Love to See You Tonight, DrGibby|
18:13 < JFDkthx> gaaaaaaayyyyyyyy.jpg
18:13 <+MillerBOSS> scared.exe.png?
18:15 <@ravioli> grumplestiltzkin: idk who that dude is but he's good
18:16 < grumplestiltzkin> well, no, those were all big final crits when he shouldnt have hit
18:16 < grumplestiltzkin> really low chance, like hitting at 6 hp when I was at 60 or something
18:17 < grumplestiltzkin> like not folding when you have a 7 -2 offsuit
18:18 < grumplestiltzkin> the donger RNG gods are with him at the moment
18:19 <+TuxedoJack> Fucking hell
18:20 <+TuxedoJack> Today is a comedy of fucking errors
18:20 <+TuxedoJack> Why the fuck was the hardware tech given a machine to wipe
18:20 <+TuxedoJack> Why the fuck didn't he Belarc it
18:20 <+TuxedoJack> WHY THE FUCK WAS SYMANTEC ENDPOINT PROTECTION MANAGER INSTALLED ON IT
18:20 <+TuxedoJack> AND WHY THE FUCK WASN'T IT INSTALLED ON A GODDAMN SERVER INSTEAD
18:21 <+TuxedoJack> He just nuked the entire fucking AV history and all install fucking packages for the client
18:21 <+TuxedoJack> As well as the DB
18:21 <+MillerBOSS> Why did you come into work today?
18:21 < ebol4> good lord
18:21 <+TuxedoJack> Come into work = roll out of bed, scratch my nuts, and walk across the fucking hall to my home office
18:22 <+MillerBOSS> Well a shower may have helped in between there. :P
18:23 <+TuxedoJack> That happens while the coffee is brewing
18:23 <+MillerBOSS> ;)
18:23 <+MillerBOSS> And you are not in charge of that tech I assume?
18:24 < dragonfleas> lmao JFDkthx you bant too many
18:24 < gnupluslinux> making a lib to purge diacritics
18:24 < gnupluslinux> why isnt this already a thing
18:24 < gnupluslinux> asdfasdfasdfasdfasd
18:24 < dragonfleas> i'm so hungry
18:25 < dragonfleas> i'm 5 cups of coffee in
18:25 < dragonfleas> where should i eat
18:25 < DomLS3> then eat sucka
18:25 < dragonfleas> i'm thinking whataburger
18:25 <+MillerBOSS> what?
18:25 < dragonfleas> whataburger
18:25 <+MillerBOSS> what?
18:26 < ebol4> what a burger
18:26 < MrFantastik> i fucking love ahtaburger
18:26 < MrFantastik> whataburger
18:27 < MrFantastik> second best thing about texas
18:27 < BonKurei> No waterburgers in frisco :(
18:27 < grumplestiltzkin> wat
18:28 <+MillerBOSS> What is the first? Drive thru liquor stores?
18:28 <+MillerBOSS> what?
18:28 < mkillebrew> I'm the first
18:28 < MrFantastik> legs
18:28 < mkillebrew> There's really no best thing about Texas, it's all pretty great.
18:29 < ebol4> i sneezed really loud
18:29 < BonKurei> all of texas is pretty great, except dallas
18:29 < mkillebrew> Dallas is fine
18:29 < BonKurei> dallas is the detroit of texas
18:29 < mkillebrew> the world aquarium there is amazing
18:30 < BonKurei> NEEEEEEEEEERD
18:30 < gnupluslinux> BonKurei, ya fucking tourist
18:30 < mkillebrew> because it's nothing like an aquarium as anyone would imagine it
18:30 < gnupluslinux> aint no one say frisco
18:30 < The_Dv8or> sup
18:30 < BonKurei> Im the only one in frisco that calls it that
18:30 < gnupluslinux> yeah cause no one does it ya darn tourist
18:30 < gnupluslinux> reeeee
18:30 < BonKurei> Ive been here 3 years im pretty much native
18:35 < Stoob> man I need to find a remote work gig
18:35 < Stoob> commuting sucks
18:36 < grumplestiltzkin> s/Dallas/Austin
18:36 <+layer-eight> mkillebrew meant: "Austin is fine"
18:36 < mkillebrew> Austin is also fine
18:36 < grumplestiltzkin> but I don't disagree, Dallas proper sucks
18:36 < BonKurei> "Austin is frisco jr"
18:36 < mkillebrew> just not Austinites
18:36 < mkillebrew> I live a few miles outside Ausin so I'm OK though
18:37 < grumplestiltzkin> I meant   ] <BonKurei> all of texas is pretty great, except dallas   to be austin
18:37 <+MillerBOSS> How much of a commute, Stoob ?
18:37 < Sousapro> Dallas can legit be rough
18:37 < BonKurei> Most of the people from my hometown moved to SA or austin
18:37 < grumplestiltzkin> Austin is portland jr (the lesser portland)
18:37 < mkillebrew> work from home only, no commute
18:37 < Stoob> MillerBOSS: 1hr if by car, 30 minutes if by motorcycle
18:37 < Sousapro> Also I'm not the biggest fan of Houston either
18:38 < Sousapro> I want a zero motorcycle
18:38 < Stoob> same but I can't trust the range
18:38 < Sousapro> I may buy an Indian chief instead though
18:38 < Sousapro> Stoob: why? They have all three ranges listed
18:38 < Stoob> they rate range at 65 or 70mph, my normal commute speed is more in the 90mph
18:38 < BonKurei> Get the keanu bike
18:38 < Sousapro> LOL
18:38 < Sousapro> My usual speed is 88mph
18:38 < Stoob> lol
18:38 <+MillerBOSS> 88.8?
18:38 < Sousapro> Before I go to 1955 on my scooter
18:39 < mkillebrew> Triumph makes a good bike for the money
18:39 <+MillerBOSS> Wasn't it 88.8?
18:39 < Sousapro> MillerBOSS: ++
18:39 < BonKurei> When people ask me my height I tell them it varies depending on my speed relative to the observer
18:39 < Sousapro> mkillebrew: I tend to agree
18:39 < Sousapro> mkillebrew: the rocket 3
18:39 < Stoob> but really my bike is supposed to get 45+ mpg but it gets more like 30 on my commutes
18:39 < mkillebrew> I've had several, last was a Harley Nightster, 1200cc was nice, but it needed a 6th gear.
18:39 < Sousapro> >:-)
18:40 < mkillebrew> yamaha R1, Ducati 998, and some other stuff before the Harley
18:40 < Stoob> rocket3 is just ridonkulous
18:40 < Sousapro> Stoob: how the hell do you commute that quickly and avoid massive tickets?
18:40 < Sousapro> Stoob: a part of my wants it
18:40 < Stoob> Sousapro: sometimes you dont avoid the massive tickets
18:40 < Stoob> :|
18:40 < Sousapro> Stoob: the part that wants to pop wheelies on I4
18:41 < Sousapro> S/my/me
18:41 < Stoob> but also I mostly commute in the carpool lanes on the 15 and cops aren't too bad there
18:41 < Stoob> almost everyone is going 80+ anyway so a 90mph bike isn't that unusual
18:41 < mkillebrew> If I get another, it'll either be a Ducati Monster, or Triump Speed Triple
18:41 < Sousapro> Over 70mph would have Orange county sheriff's Dept up my bum
18:41 < BonKurei> speaking of speed, did anyone else see that article about the flat-earther who built his own rocket?
18:41 < Sousapro> Yeah
18:41 < vinrock> im getting rid of my quad and buying an fz-10
18:42 < vinrock> think quad riding days are numbered :(
18:42 < Sousapro> Earth is a frisbee golf frisbee, apparently
18:42 < Sousapro> On top of turtles
18:42 < Stoob> all I have to worry about is CHP because the local police tends not to deal with freeway stuff
18:42 < vinrock> it's turtles all the way down
18:42 < Stoob> (plus the local police can't lanesplit in their cruisers)
18:42 < Sousapro> Stoob: ramming speed
18:42 < Sousapro> Today is a good day to die
18:42 < Stoob> Sousapro: yep, pretty much
18:43 < Sousapro> I've seen some cops that think they're the semi from Terminator 2
18:43 < vinrock> damn that triumph speed triple looks sexay
18:43 < mkillebrew> and they feel good
18:44 < Stoob> https://i.imgur.com/tVdttdG.gifv Sousapro
18:44 < Sousapro> Vinrock: http://www.triumphmotorcycles.com/bikes/cruisers/rocket/2018/rocket-iii-roadster-abs
18:44 < Stoob> http://i.imgur.com/94RpPBR.gifv better gif same activity
18:44 < mkillebrew> I love the low end torque when you roll on the throttle
18:45 < DomLS3> vinrock: got ym vette
18:45 < DomLS3> my*
18:45 < Sousapro> Stoob can confirm, is CHP in a charger
18:45 < vinrock> nice!
18:46 < vinrock> Sousapro thats pretty rad
18:46 < vinrock> I havent really ever given Triumph's enough attention
18:46 < DomLS3> vinrock: https://imgur.com/a/STAYb
18:47 < Stoob> all I really know about triumphs is that they have a proper ODB2 port, and for that I respect them
18:47 < Stoob> OBD2*
18:48 < vinrock> fuck yeah dom
18:48 < vinrock> that interior is gorgeous
18:48 < DomLS3> :D
18:49 <+abakedapplepie> good lord
18:49 <+abakedapplepie> is that a v-6 triumph
18:50 < Stoob> nah its a triple
18:50 < Stoob> (oh baby)
18:56 < Sousapro> abakedapplepie: the rocket 3?
18:56 < Sousapro> It has more displacement than my outback
18:56 < Sousapro> Like engine wise
18:56 < Sousapro> I NEED IT
18:56 < Sousapro> Thank God the dealer is over an hour away
18:56 < Sousapro> Otherwise I would have bought it
18:56 < Sousapro> Regardless of my ability to fit on it
19:04 < grumplestiltzkin> in vi - :x = :wq, right?
19:06 < ihre> add ZZ to the list too
19:07 < Sarah> yo
19:08 < ihre> Hi
19:08 < m4221> Hey
19:11 < BonKurei> Hey Sarah
19:16 < admiralspark> does anybody manage WinRM/Remote powershell/etc through GPO and use HTTPS for it?
19:16 < starbomba> lol pfsense is still not booting and it's been nearly 3hours
19:17 < starbomba> just cycles the update repos endlessly
19:17 < starbomba> horribad
19:17 < admiralspark> the best solution I can find on the web for what to do when your server cert is renewed is to run 'winrm quickconfig -transport:https'...which means you manually touch every freaking windows box
19:17 < admiralspark> starbomba: which ver?
19:18 < starbomba> all of them
19:18 < felda> can you boot into single user mode?
19:18 < felda> then do the stop command?
19:19 < starbomba> doesn't matter
19:20 < starbomba> if the firewall doesn't stand up it is useless
19:20 < admiralspark> can you hit it with a rubber mallet three times and chant the Netgate ritual?
19:20 < drgreco> anyone have any idea whats going on with all the drama between pfsense and opnsense? I'm really out of the loop on this one.
19:20 < starbomba> i have no more use for a firewall tht won't boot than i do a desktop that only POSTs but won't read an option rom
19:21 < felda> drgreco pfsense and opnsense have been fighting for a while now
19:21 < admiralspark> drgreco: Netgate doesn't make much money compared to what they spend, so they're mad that someone else is taking their code and making a product based on it. Problem is, they are abiding by the very same MIT license that allows pfsense to exist in the first place so Netgate can't really say shit
19:21 < admiralspark> And I say this as someone who purchased a Netgate box, but their management are a bunch of assholes ;)
19:22 < felda> It doesn't help that the head of pfsense intentionally fans the flames and gets mad just seeing the word opnsense
19:22 < felda> he was so petty that he bought opnsense.org and made a website there shitting all over opnsense and had to be sued to have it taken down
19:23 < admiralspark> yeeeeep. Not as bad as Observium/Librenms but still
19:23 < felda> it can get pretty bad on reddit to be honest
19:24 < admiralspark> gonzo needs to let his pr team do their jobs and stay off reddit, I think
19:24 < felda> the entirety of that subreddit had to tell gonzo to shut the fuck up because some of the comments he was making were pants on head stupid
19:24 < admiralspark> even ivork gets a bit over the top but he's willing to work with people to get their problems fixed
19:24 < admiralspark> yep
19:24 < drgreco> what about shit coming from the opnsense side
19:24 < admiralspark> ahh
19:24 < admiralspark> internet drama, gotta love it
19:24 < felda> I'm not as well informed about opnsense side
19:24 < admiralspark> drgreco: what are you referring to?
19:24 < drgreco> i mean, there is a one man subreddit dedicated to that
19:24 < felda> I don't really keep up with opnsense
19:25 < admiralspark> same
19:25 < felda> ah
19:25 < felda> that subreddit
19:25 < felda> It's likely a super fanboy trying to keep the flames going
19:25 < drgreco> https://www.reddit.com/r/OPNscam/
19:26 < admiralspark> heh
19:26 < drgreco> to be honest, i am more concerned that I see posts from pfsense devs that show a complete lack of understanding of what dnssec is (in regards to dnscrypt-proxy)
19:26 < DomLS3> pfsense is g-a-r-b-a-g-e
19:26 < felda> I wouldn't be surprised if that was gonzo
19:26 < admiralspark> $20 says that's gonzo's alt
19:26 < felda> yeah lol
19:26 < drgreco> i've been using pfsense for something like 10 years
19:26 < DomLS3> drgreco: you've been using a shit product
19:26 < felda> drgreco I've seen posts about dnscrypt and they seem deadset on not doing anything with it
19:27 < drgreco> but i'm really looking at switching to opnsense
19:27 < felda> that's coolio
19:27 < drgreco> but fuck it, if im switching, might as well see what else is out there
19:27 < drgreco> pfsense has worked really well for all that i've used it for
19:27 < felda> VyOS is pretty good from what I hear
19:27 < drgreco> i do kind of regret installing it everywhere for work
19:27 < felda> The other systems I've looked at don't have the configurability and packages that pfsense has though :(
19:28 < starbomba> sure. if you can get it to boot
19:28 < starbomba> otherwise it makes a nice paperweight
19:28 < starbomba> maybe i should submit a bug report so they can waste 11 months without assigning it to anyone and then close it for no resaon
19:29 < drgreco> I'm also really tempted to just run plain openbsd
19:29 < felda> starbomba you could try booting into opnsense and importing your config into that unless you have weird packages?
19:29 < starbomba> felda, i'm tearing pfsense out of the org completely
19:29 < starbomba> this is unacceptable
19:29 < drgreco> i've toyed around a little with opnsense, and once you get past the odd UI, it seems pretty nice
19:29 < felda> what are you going to replace it with?
19:29 < starbomba> anything retail
19:29 < drgreco> starbomba: what is the issue?
19:29 < starbomba> we've already wasted any ROI for the last decade with my billable hours alone
19:30 < felda> I like how opnsense has the details of each field right on the page so configuring is a little easier for newbies
19:30 < starbomba> drgreco, the bug that would not die (so therefore will never be assigned to fix): https://redmine.pfsense.org/issues/7604
19:30 < mal_will> Any network admins in here? I want to know if it's bizarre that I have to process all account closures for internet, fax, etc.
19:30 < mal_will> I feel this is an accounting job
19:31 < starbomba> mal_will, odd? most IT staff are tasked with fixing any device that uses electricity
19:31 < mal_will> lol, this is paper tho?
19:31 < felda> mal_will I would push back
19:31 < felda> are you talking about customer account closures?
19:32 < felda> starbomba I hear good things about Palo Alto if you can afford it
19:33 < drgreco> starbomba: wow, yea, that's pretty fucked
19:33 < mal_will> we closed an office, so I'm closing the ISP and etc accounts felda
19:33 < felda> ah okay
19:33 < felda> I've had to do that stuff
19:33 < felda> usually I try to push it to accounting though
19:33 <+giant_it_burrit> i like my palos starbomba
19:34 < drgreco> my other option with fw is to say fuck it, and go whole hog on ubiqiti
19:34 < felda> mostly their jobs considering it's accounts receivable / payable
19:36 < mal_will> Yeah, my accounting department sucks
19:36 < mal_will> they won't do this, but they think they have to create assets
19:38 < admiralspark> mal_will: I'm prettttty sure in the US you wouldn't be authorized to make those decisions, and the company could sue you if you screw it up. Liability et al
19:39 < admiralspark> the vendor (ISP whatever) shouldn't accept you unless you're an assigned administrator on the account
19:39 < mal_will> How so? I'm the network admin, that's surely enough
19:39 < admiralspark> Only if the company has you assigned to it
19:39 <@JollyRgrs> ^^
19:39 < admiralspark> liability
19:39 < mal_will> the actual old authorized users are no longer employed but the providers don't care
19:40 < Hatter>  I just got some palos in
19:40 < mal_will> idk how it'd be different from an AP person doing it
19:40 <@JollyRgrs> mal_will: "hi, i've got domain admin for company x, so it's ok to accept my request to terminate this line"
19:40 < admiralspark> Well, then, your providers are garbage. What if I called in and closed your accounts to screw with you?
19:40 < mal_will> You have to provide the security codes JollyRgrs
19:40 < khelpw> Hunter1. Next question?
19:41 <@JollyRgrs> khelpw: sorry, that isn an invalid password, but it does match an older password. please provide the latest password
19:43 < admiralspark> starbomba: check out Fortinet as well. Palo are awesome but only if you can afford to trade in your yacht for their licensing
19:43 < gnupluslinux> what to get for lunch
19:43 < admiralspark> And there's always Cisco but FUCK cisco asa's
19:43 < gnupluslinux> fried chicken?
19:44 < admiralspark> gnupluslinux: you down south?
19:44 < gnupluslinux> southern california
19:44 < SandyTech> get some mexican
19:44 < gnupluslinux> 50 cent tacos does sound good
19:44 < SandyTech> we cheated and had one of the helpdesk techs go get 'pizza' from Dominos
19:45 < gnupluslinux> ?
19:46 < SandyTech> I'm not supposed to use helpdesk techs or department funds for lunch
19:46 < SandyTech> so I made it a 'lunch meeting'
19:47 < grumplestiltzkin> admiralspark: What's wrong with ASAs?  I think they can even do BGP now
19:48 < admiralspark> grumplestiltzkin: They do firewall-y stuff just fine. But the world moved on from "just a firewall" a decade ago, and none of Cisco's next-gen features are anywhere near as good as Palo Alto, Fortinet, even freaking Sophos
19:49 < gnupluslinux> lol
19:49 < admiralspark> Cisco also still thinks java fat clients are legitimate applications for managing firewalls in 2018.
19:49 < grumplestiltzkin> like - looking for firewall and edge router al in one?
19:49 < gnupluslinux> yeah now they're a firewall AND they'll pour your afternoon beer as you head to the ping pong table
19:50 < admiralspark> If you can offload IPS on your edge and they're cheap enough to toss anywhere you want in your environment, there's no reason to buy it separate.
19:50 < gnupluslinux> s/firewall and edge router al in one/consumer router/
19:50 <+layer-eight> grumplestiltzkin meant: "like - looking for consumer router?"
19:50 < grumplestiltzkin> well, the ASDM isn't *really* required, except for secure desktop setup iirc, maybe a couple other niche things.  but srs, these java things need to go
19:50 < admiralspark> oh
19:50 < admiralspark> wait, we are talking about business firewalls right? Haha
19:51 < admiralspark> Edgerouters work pretty damn good for $50 if it's home ;)
19:51 < gnupluslinux> i do not recommend turning on DPS in an edgerouter :(
19:51 < grumplestiltzkin> I'm talking giant enterprise.  were we talking about consumer?
19:51 < gnupluslinux> s/DPS/DPI/
19:51 <+layer-eight> gnupluslinux meant: "i do not recommend turning on DPI in an edgerouter :("
19:51 < admiralspark> gnupluslinux: agreed. But routing offload is worth it, was pushing 800mbps with mine before I finally dumped it for a real firewall
19:52 < grumplestiltzkin> because the separation tends to be a good thing, with different groups controlling the firewalls/security, and route/switching
19:52 < gnupluslinux> nah just merge em together for $costsavings on $humanresources
19:52 < gnupluslinux> cause we're all just numbers and assets to the company
19:53 < admiralspark> grumplestiltzkin: I guess it depends on design then. Some large enterprise use an all-in-one border appliance and Security controls it. Some use an ASRxk on their border for their bgp, then have a firewall in passthrough, then an IPS, then various routers doing ISIS or whatever IGP.
19:53 < grumplestiltzkin> I think we have around 20 people (nationally) that just handle firewalls. Nobody else has write permission
19:53 < gnupluslinux> "resource meeting" read as "meeting on figuring how best to utilize our paid meatbags"
19:53 < admiralspark> Some use mpls/l3vpn between their sites and only need a single conneciton to the web, some are happy with Meraki all the things everywhere in a mesh
19:53 < admiralspark> dang
19:55 < admiralspark> gnupluslinux: that exactly though, why silo people when you can outsource T1 and make T2/3 "cross-train"??
19:55 < admiralspark> ;)
19:56 < gnupluslinux> im just bitter cause im having to fix up some fuckup outsource devs did
19:56 < gnupluslinux> basically a full rewrite cause their shit is fragile af and nonperfomant to the point of being unusable
19:56 < tapoxi> hey are there any good MMORPGs these days
19:57 < gnupluslinux> different thing but im mildly triggered by outsource atm
19:57 < gnupluslinux> i hear irl is having quite the event
19:57 < gnupluslinux> s/irl/outside/
19:57 <+layer-eight> gnupluslinux meant: "i hear outside is having quite the event"
19:58 < JFDkthx> thank god for users buying powervaults for their section, creating their own lan, and asking IT to fix it because they cant get any of it to work
20:01 < felda> lol
20:01 < felda> JFDkthx was it DNS?
20:01 < felda> Why can't we resolve the internal server that's outside our DNS?!?!?!?!?!
20:01 < felda> outside our LAN*
20:04 < gnupluslinux> JFDkthx, plz2fix ya incompetent nincompoop
20:04 < gnupluslinux> what do we even pay you for
20:05 < insecurity> so apparently we are responding to an RFP where the client wants (among other things) social engineering via FAX.
20:06 < corn266> test
20:06 <+MillerBOSS> ies
20:06 < corn266> succ
20:07 < corn266> tapoxi: you could join runescape
20:07 < JFDkthx> gnupluslinux: i harly get paid.
20:08 < JFDkthx> hardly
20:08 < JFDkthx> even
20:09 < tapoxi> I played runescape in like 2004
20:09 < tapoxi> it had bad graphics
20:09 < gnupluslinux> insecurity, tbh i figure the places that still use fax are the ones most vulnerable to it
20:10 < gnupluslinux> "you can't hack fax" is a phrase i've heard thrown around more than i care to admist
20:10 < JFDkthx> felda: not dns, everything is static. suprisingly the network wasnt the issue. they appropriated a switch from another one of their "labs" and just mirrored the config. the problem was they had no idea how to set up this fucking powervault.
20:10 < JFDkthx> gnupluslinux: mfps have fax
20:10 < felda> jesus all static ips
20:10 < gnupluslinux> fuck you're right
20:10 < corn266> tapoxi: good news, osrs still does
20:10 < gnupluslinux> i forgot about those
20:10 < felda> "Hmmm what if we did this the long and hard way?"
20:11 < gnupluslinux> we didnt opt to connect out mfp to fax
20:11 < tapoxi> osrs?
20:11 < corn266> old school runescape instead of RS3
20:11 < JFDkthx> felda: they had a piece of paper with devices mapped out with ips listed.
20:11 < JFDkthx> and said, this is our plan.
20:11 < JFDkthx> "plan"
20:11 < JFDkthx> """"plan""""
20:11 < JFDkthx> fucking no one planned shit
20:11 < JFDkthx> cuz i wasnt invited.
20:12 < corn266> FF14 is also pretty enjoyable, and EVE is good if you like stabbing yourself with toothpicks
20:12 < JFDkthx> goddamn rocket scientists
20:12 < Maarten> the best plans exists inside people's minds only
20:12 < vinrock> corn266 you play EVE:ONLINE:THE:VIDEO:GAME?
20:13 < felda> JFDkthx no pls
20:13 < JFDkthx> vinrock: fucking xxdeathxx nerd
20:13 < felda> are you joking?
20:13 < JFDkthx> no
20:13 < felda> also have they ever heard of nmap?
20:13 < vinrock> i know xdeath he's our buddy
20:13 < JFDkthx> just because they have phds doesnt mean they are smart felda
20:14 < felda> also side note.  Applying for my FOID card online was surprisingly easy
20:14 < JFDkthx> arent u a gewn
20:14 < vinrock> indeed
20:14 < JFDkthx> fukkin nerd
20:14 < JFDkthx> almost as bead as testies
20:14 < JFDkthx> bad
20:14 < vinrock> lolwut
20:14 < gnupluslinux> eve_online::play_game()
20:14 < JFDkthx> no one likes cfc
20:14 < JFDkthx> they are all neckbeards
20:14 < vinrock> well ofc
20:14 < JFDkthx> in a game for neckbeards
20:14 < corn266> vinrock: no, I quit after getting killed while mining null sec
20:15 < JFDkthx> they are neckbeards of neckbeards
20:15 < JFDkthx> not like us cool broski north guys
20:15 < Hatter> hah hah hah very amusing
20:15 < vinrock> im not a huge fan of cfc either but hey, gotta roll deep nowadays
20:15 < JFDkthx> i miss kugu
20:15 < JFDkthx> i miss shitposting on kugu
20:16 < JFDkthx> all the fanfic.
20:16 < vinrock> the whole of cfc exists basically so that us in waffe dont have to log in
20:16 < JFDkthx> how are you supposed to get your points then
20:16 < JFDkthx> what if you get kicked
20:16 < vinrock> thats for the pubbies we're not required
20:16 < JFDkthx> buy my toons 5k
20:16 < JFDkthx> it includes a nyx
20:17 < vinrock> i think i have like 60bn in assets and 180mil sp
20:17 < vinrock> i was one of the miniluv directors that was ganking all dem freighters in highsec
20:17 < JFDkthx> i think mine are around 90. i stopped playing in 14
20:18 < vinrock> it'll be 10 years for me in 2019
20:18 < vinrock> i started during the great war against BoB
20:18 < Hatter> what video game
20:18 < Gencade> fuck you DrGibby|
20:18 < vinrock> eve online
20:18 < Hatter> vinrock: that game is for nerds
20:18 < Gencade> s/eve online/spreadsheets in space
20:18 <+layer-eight> vinrock meant: "spreadsheets in space"
20:19 < JFDkthx> i started in MoA, then did a bunch of solo small gang wh shit, and joined BL. stayed there till jump changes and decided i didnt want to deal with it any more.
20:19 < vinrock> yes this is true
20:19 < vinrock> yeah jump changes pisssed me off
20:19 < JFDkthx> im not moving fucking 5 carriers like that
20:19 < vinrock> i never had a desire to train cap ships and when i finally said hey, lemme try cap ships so i can get drunk and dont have to drive hom
20:19 < JFDkthx> they can get bent
20:19 < vinrock> they nerf jump range
20:20 < vinrock> when we moved back to delve i just left my cap ships in y-2
20:20 < tapoxi> eve online is the ethereum of videogames
20:20 < vinrock> fuck that shit
20:20 < tapoxi> its for weirdos
20:20 < JFDkthx> s/weirdos/sysadmins
20:20 <+layer-eight> tapoxi meant: "its for sysadmins"
20:20 < JFDkthx> half of my longtime eve friends are sysadmins
20:21 < vinrock> goonwaffe is pretty much tech workers and lawyers
20:21 < vinrock> idk bout the pubby corps
20:21 < JFDkthx> those are all downies
20:21 < vinrock> likely
20:21 < vinrock> we have fucking xenuria
20:21 < vinrock> ugh
20:22 < vinrock> and arhkamina got booted for breaking mittanis balls about his wife leaving
20:22 < tapoxi> im thinking gw2 or ffiv
20:22 < JFDkthx> tapoxi: no good mmos right now.
20:22 < JFDkthx> everything is ded game
20:24 < SandyTech> I wonder at people sometimes. One of my colleagues seems to be of the opinion that SSIDs must be globally unique
20:24 < Hatter> SandyTech: bring him in here
20:25 < SandyTech> I don't think he knows how to work IRC
20:25 < tapoxi> slack killing irc makes me sad
20:25 < tapoxi> every new project has a fucking slack account
20:26 < Heresiarch> "killing". Meh. IRC has been around forever - and it will still be around long after Slack has been replaced.
20:26 < SandyTech> I was annoyed when it was decided we were switching from our internal IRC and replacing it with slack
20:26 < tapoxi> I want to use weechat not this 4 GB monsterfuck
20:27 < SandyTech> At least with our old IRC channel almost nobody used it. Now a third or so of the company has it. And they often try to use it to open tickets even though we've explicitly said that's not what it's for
20:27 < Church-> Heya tapoxi
20:28 < tapoxi> Church-: yo
20:32 < Church-> Use weeslack?
20:32 < corn266> Shit Church- killed tapoxi
20:32 < Church-> lol
20:33 < sadbox> SandyTech: I think this is true for most places
20:33 < sadbox> my company has IRC and other various communication channels
20:33 < sadbox> mainly just nerds in IRC
20:37 < ihre> Heresiarch: its just that so many projects now move to slack or even gitter ;_; atm i think i have ~8-10 slack accounts for different channels/projects
20:37 < Nightcinder> https://gfycat.com/AridLeftKestrel
20:37 < ihre> atleast gitter is hooked into github, but still ..
20:37 < ihre> even with the irc gateway or weeslack you end up configuring multiple servers, bah
20:38 < Gencade> anyone playing far cry 5?
20:38 < ihre> i saw it has a fly fishing 'minigame'
20:38 < ihre> that was compelling :P
20:38 < Gencade> yeah think the game is really well put together
20:38 < Gencade> tbh
20:39 < ihre> i think farcry 1 was fun until those fucking alies became part of the story
20:39 < ihre> never bothered with the rest of the series tbh :P
20:39 < Heresiarch> ihre: sure. But there's always a place for folk to gather based on simple, open protocols and the software associated with them.
20:39 < Gencade> this one seems a bit different from the rest tbh
20:39 < Gencade> ihre, you get to shoot trump supporters
20:40 < Gencade> if you're into that kinda thing
20:40 < ihre> Heresiarch: try asking a question in #terraform/grafana/kubernetes :P
20:40 < ihre> they'll all redirect you to either slack or gitter
20:40 < ihre> until the fad wears off and they move back to fnode again, hopefully soon.
20:40 < JFDkthx> people with nasty monitors
20:40 < JFDkthx> why
20:40 < JFDkthx> why dont you clean them
20:41 < JFDkthx> why leave little fucking dried up splashes on your screen
20:41 < Heresiarch> ihre: all of this has happened before. All of this will happen again. :)
20:41 < ihre> i REALLY dont know how to clean a screen without leaving wipemarks/smudges all over JFDkthx :D
20:41  * Casteil grumbles about accounting/payroll 
20:41 < ihre> i've tried so many times, i just suck.
20:41 < JFDkthx> ihre: you can do it with plain old water.
20:42 < mkillebrew> and a microfiber cloth
20:42 < Casteil> 4 months since I notified them that my PTO accrual didn't roll over into the new system, I still don't have PTO hours in my balance
20:42 < mkillebrew> then keep your greasy cheeto fingers the fuck off of it
20:42 < JFDkthx> i usually use a towel
20:42 < ihre> mkillebrew: but this touchyscreeny, need to touch, just because.
20:43 < mkillebrew> then be less gross of a person and secrete fewer things through your skin
20:43 < ihre> i hope that one day i'm able to sneeze over your screen mkillebrew
20:44 < mkillebrew> Is that how you want to leave this world?
20:44 < ihre> no, just you
20:44 <+MillerBOSS> For all the YouTube shit I watch I subscribe, follow, comment, like, dislike, etc zero times like ever
20:45 < JFDkthx> im only subscribed to AvE and Wehsing
20:46 < khelpw> No This Old Tony or Clickspring, JFDkthx ?
20:46 <+MillerBOSS> Well anyways https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxIJKscMfH8 and the next video are good
20:46 <+layer-eight> YouTube The Teardown - Episode 1 by 2018-03-28T12:18:12.000Z (duration: 3:10) on Wed Mar 28 19:18:12 UTC 2018, 2018-03-28T12:18:12.000Z views
20:46 < vinrock> photonicinduction and mr carlson's lab are good too
20:46 < vinrock> you should sub to them
20:46 < ihre> khelpw: clickspring ++
20:46 < ihre> harry's garage is nice as well
20:46 < mkillebrew> clickspring makes me sleepy
20:46 < JFDkthx> never watched this old tony
20:46 <+MillerBOSS> Man I need to fix that script but I do not understand how to parse API to change the results
20:46 < SynMonger> I sub to weird shit like some guy that builds toy steam engines
20:46 < khelpw> ToT is in the same vein as AvE
20:46 < khelpw> Funny channels that are more informative than they have any right to be.
20:47 < vinrock> i fucking LOVE AvE's BOLTR videos
20:47 < JFDkthx> who doesnt
20:47 < vinrock> wish he could spit out two a day
20:47 < khelpw> I'm subbed to stuff like that, primitive technology, engineering explained, nerdwriter, kaptainkristian etc
20:47 < JFDkthx> primitive technology is coo
20:47 <+MillerBOSS> Information overload
20:47 < vinrock> photonicinduction is great because you wonder hwo the fuck is this guy not dead yet
20:48 < ihre> abom79 was pretty interesting as well, machinist shit
20:48 < vinrock> but he kinda fell off after his divorce
20:48 < ihre> now he's vlogging ><
20:48 < ihre> the same with diresta
20:48 < JFDkthx> i take that back, im also subd to funhaus
20:49 < ihre> diresta really hit home with his fast-playing videos, hardly any talking, copied by every other 'makerspace' youtuber afterwards :p
20:52 <+MillerBOSS> Neat little app https://github.com/streamlink/streamlink-twitch-gui
20:52 < hxcsp> i only have one sub from twitch prime
20:52 < hxcsp> goes to ninja
20:52 < hxcsp> might as well make him richer
20:52 <+MillerBOSS> I watch twit.tv from twitch
20:53 <+MillerBOSS> Windows Weekly is live by the way
20:54 < Hatter> MillerBOSS: url
20:54 <+MillerBOSS> https://twit.tv/live
20:55 <+MillerBOSS> Or https://twit.tv/live-popout/74431
20:55 <+MillerBOSS> But better to click the popout button
20:55 <+MillerBOSS> https://millerboss.com/x/Screen-Shot-2018-04-04-13-55-27-wZ.png
20:56 <+MillerBOSS> Paul and Mary Jo share a lot of information and worthwhile opinons.
20:56 < Hatter> what the heck man
20:56 < Hatter> my mf'n imported palo mibs aren't showing up in prtg
20:57 <+MillerBOSS> Did you try turning it off and on again, Hatter ?
20:57 < McDonaldsWiFi> Hatter: I learend that PRTG is a plaintextviolator
20:57 < Hatter> of course I( DSZHUOIfnhasIKL;D
20:57 < Hatter> FN
20:57 < DrGibby|> I dont like being this busy :(
20:58 <+MillerBOSS> But the time goes buy super duper quick, DrGibby|
20:58 < DrGibby|> tru
20:58 <+MillerBOSS> Buy and by even
20:58 < DrGibby|> but I wanna reddit
20:58 <+MillerBOSS> Reddit is for kids you silly Gibby
20:59 < DrGibby|> :(
20:59  * DrGibby| is a kid
20:59 < Gencade> s/kid/kid fucker
20:59 <+layer-eight> MillerBOSS meant: "Reddit is for kid fuckers you silly Gibby"
20:59 < DrGibby|> uhhhh
21:00 < dragonfleas> That youtube shooter girl's website has been taken down
21:00 <+MillerBOSS> We know where your mind is Gencade and you need to be beat immediately.
21:00 < dragonfleas> I wonder if the way back machine has a cached version of it
21:00 < DrGibby|> she had a website?
21:00 < Hatter> dragonfleas: it does
21:01 < dragonfleas> www.nasimabc.com/
21:01 < dragonfleas> it just returns a 503
21:02 < DrGibby|> what is this?
21:02 <+MillerBOSS> https://web.archive.org/web/20180404163331/http://www.nasimabc.com/
21:02 < DrGibby|> I get its the shooters website
21:02 < dragonfleas> ooooh dude this website SCREAMS terrorist
21:02 <+MillerBOSS> I suggest
21:02 <+MillerBOSS> .g fpnmgdkabkmnadcjpehmlllkndpkmiak
21:02 <+layer-eight> Google 28 results found for: " fpnmgdkabkmnadcjpehmlllkndpkmiak "
21:03 <+layer-eight> Wayback Machine - Chrome Web Store - Reduce annoying 404 pages by automatically checking for an archived copy in  the Wayback Machine. : https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/wayback-machine/fpnmgdkabkmnadcjpehmlllkndpkmiak?hl=en-US
21:03 < dragonfleas> she killed herself boys, USA USA USA
21:03 <+MillerBOSS> dragonfleas 👉 You scream moron
21:03 < dragonfleas> MillerBOSS, my comment was satirical man...
21:03 <+MillerBOSS> Me too
21:03 < dragonfleas> lmao
21:03 <+MillerBOSS> #meetoo
21:03 < dragonfleas> omfg
21:03  * Church- sighs
21:03  * Church- shakes head
21:04 <+MillerBOSS> Come at me bra
21:04 <+MillerBOSS> #snowflakes
21:04  * MillerBOSS nods
21:04 <+MillerBOSS> Ha ha
21:04 < dragonfleas> there's a thing on her website
21:04 < dragonfleas> "health risks of anal sex"
21:04 < dragonfleas> and then it has it in arabic
21:04 < dragonfleas> lmaooooo
21:04 < DomLS3> god damn snowflakes
21:04 < DomLS3> go to your own channel
21:04 < DomLS3> where linuxdood is king
21:04 < DrGibby|> holy shit the shooter was a youtuber
21:05 < DrGibby|> ?
21:05 < DomLS3> what shooter
21:05 < DomLS3> there was another shooting?
21:05 < Gencade> DomLS3, youtube hq
21:05 < Hatter> everyone CALM down
21:05 < SynMonger> or panic
21:05 < dragonfleas> DrGibby|, yes she was a youtuber
21:05 < ihre> "My Revenue For 300,000 Views Is $0.10???" she was looking for more money i guess
21:05 < DrGibby|> I thought it was a domestic issue
21:05 < dragonfleas> ihre, honestly that's bullshit revenue for 300k
21:05 < Hatter> This is just my opinion, but I think that broad was a bit loopy
21:06 < dragonfleas> Hatter, I agree, but I can understand if someone put loads of effort into videos and got loads of views, getting 10 cents for a 300 thousand viewed video is bullshit
21:06 < Casteil> PMP prerequisites >7,500 hours leading and directing projects
21:06 < vinrock> she was an animal rights activist
21:06 < vinrock> those people are fuckin nuts
21:06 < Casteil> bitch after 7500 hours leading projects do you really NEED a PMP?
21:06 < Hatter> dragonfleas: you can understand WHAT
21:06 < vinrock> also, legally owned gun
21:07 < Heresiarch> Casteil: you going the way of the PM, rather than technology?
21:07 < dragonfleas> Hatter, i can understand that 10 cents for 300 thousand views is bullshit
21:07 < vinrock> straight up tho if she smiled a bit id hit it
21:07 < dragonfleas> vinrock, lmao she t h i n n
21:07 < grumplestiltzkin> I liked how one of the major media coverage called her "A white woman with a headscarf"
21:07 < vinrock> dude shes nuts
21:07 < vinrock> you know shes fun in bed
21:07 < dragonfleas> i agree
21:07 <@ravioli> is there some weird systems management situation where this is relevant discussion for this channel
21:08 < dragonfleas> i wonder if there are things you're not allowed to do with an islamic girl in bed
21:08 < grumplestiltzkin> dragonfleas: pork
21:08  * ravioli sighs
21:08 < JFDkthx> users smell funny
21:08 < grumplestiltzkin> oh, its that time
21:08 < Heresiarch> heeeeere....we....go.
21:08 < dragonfleas> sorry m8
21:08 < dragonfleas> different topic
21:08 < dragonfleas> osticket is pretty rad
21:08 < dragonfleas> i'm setting it up right now
21:09 < khelpw> What's everyone's opinion here - Leather mousepad - too much/gaudy or classy move? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Jnry0tnZ/image.png
21:09 <@ravioli> .yt developers developers developers
21:09 <+layer-eight> YouTube Developers - https://youtu.be/KMU0tzLwhbE
21:09 < Nightcinder> ew leather mousepad
21:09 < vinrock> i kinda like that
21:09 < vinrock> and might have to get one myself
21:09 < Nightcinder> i hate your wrist rest
21:09 < vinrock> yeah no wrist boob
21:09 < vinrock> oh duh thats what that it
21:09 < vinrock> ew
21:09 < Heresiarch> khelpw: ...leather...mousepad? That thing'll end up getting disgusting, and harder to clean than a normal mousepad.
21:09 < SynMonger> it'll make your hand hot, and discolor
21:10 < dragonfleas> this is my first time setting up ubuntu server, how does apache and mysql run on ubuntu server?
21:10 < SynMonger> how I clean my mousepad: throw it away and get a new one
21:10 < Heresiarch> dragonfleas: yes, if you install them.
21:10 < khelpw> Heresiarch: as you see it in that picture it's been in sure for about 6 months
21:10 < dragonfleas> Heresiarch, any major differences from debian?
21:10 < vinrock> how you like that mouse
21:10 < khelpw> also, the dye isn't the sort that would pick up onto your hands/mouse
21:10 < vinrock> i been thinking of trying one
21:10 < khelpw> honestly, love the mouse.
21:10 < Heresiarch> dragonfleas: not really. Might be systemd vs init - not sure if debian switched over yet.
21:10 < vinrock> i got an m705 and its my fav but the new fancy one looks tempting
21:11 < vinrock> and i like the switch between devices thing
21:11 < Casteil> Heresiarch: The universe seems to be pushing me that way
21:11 < khelpw> Also, the building has AC, it doesn't really get hot enough in here for it to be sticky or anything.
21:11 < JFDkthx> lucker nooob DomLS3
21:11 < JFDkthx> rigged gaem ravioli
21:11 < DomLS3> JFDkthx: you got rekt son
21:12 < JFDkthx> fite me irl
21:12 < JFDkthx> i'll key ur vette
21:12 < DomLS3> JFDkthx: when and where
21:12 < dragonfleas> i'm a huge linux noob
21:12 < JFDkthx> s/n/b/g
21:12 <+layer-eight> dragonfleas meant: "i'm a huge libux boob"
21:12 < DomLS3> fail
21:12 < dragonfleas> LOL
21:12 < DomLS3> fail big time
21:12 < vinrock> wtf
21:12 < dragonfleas> libux boob
21:12 < Heresiarch> khelpw: I guess. Still seems like it's kinda pointless IMO.
21:12 < SynMonger> seems legit
21:12 < vinrock> LAYER-EIGHT IS A SCAM
21:12 < vinrock> we've been bamboozled all this time
21:12 < khelpw> well, I made it because the hide it's made of is too thick for my to do much else with really
21:13 < dragonfleas> s/LAYER-EIGHT/my mother's prostitution
21:13 <+layer-eight> vinrock meant: "my mother's prostitution IS A SCAM"
21:13 < grumplestiltzkin> wat
21:13 < khelpw> and because everything else I've got is leather.
21:13 < vinrock> huh
21:13 < dragonfleas> hmm
21:13 < JFDkthx> s/M/T
21:13 <+layer-eight> vinrock meant: "my mother's prostitution IS A SCAT"
21:13 < dragonfleas> LOL
21:13 < Heresiarch> khelpw: makes sense, then. I wouldn't buy such a thing, but if you've got the materials and can't use them for something else...
21:13 < ihre> khelpw: shouldve made a nice paddle
21:14 < khelpw> It's chromexcel, too floppy for something like that.
21:14 < khelpw> gotta use some nice 10/12oz natural veg tan like hermann oak tooling or something for the paddles.
21:14 < vinrock> s/veg/vag
21:14 <+layer-eight> khelpw meant: "gotta use some nice 10/12oz natural vag tan like hermann oak tooling or something for the paddles."
21:15 < JFDkthx> quick someone say something politcal.
21:15 < ihre> https://youtu.be/4fRY6J6lD7k?t=63
21:15 <+layer-eight> YouTube Cockney e.g. from Lock Stock by 2008-02-22T16:08:35.000Z (duration: 1:17) on Fri Feb 22 23:08:35 UTC 2008, 2008-02-22T16:08:35.000Z views
21:15 < Heresiarch> JFDkthx: something political
21:15 < DomLS3> JFDkthx: join back in the chan
21:15 < DomLS3> JFDkthx: #donger
21:15 < JFDkthx> :(
21:15 < DomLS3> JFDkthx: HAHA
21:15 < JFDkthx> still bant
21:15 < DomLS3> YOU GOT REKT AGAIN FOOL
21:15 < gnupluslinux> george washingtong carver was a historical figure
21:15 < JFDkthx> turd
21:15 < DomLS3> took the bait
21:15 < dragonfleas> >:(
21:16 < JFDkthx> :(
21:16 < khelpw> fwiw, this is what the contents of my briefcase look like: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/whcg2RT9/image.png
21:16 < dragonfleas> everyone quick
21:16 < dragonfleas> raise ur dongers
21:16 < khelpw> well, the watch, yoyo, RUT, and IEMs all go in my pocket.
21:16 < dragonfleas> ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ
21:16 < Hatter> khelpw: you seem pretty obsessed with leather, ever been tempted to make a human suit?
21:16 < dragonfleas> khelpw, >gameboy micro
21:16 < grumplestiltzkin> how in the world do you have room in your pocket for a yoyo? I don't know what those other htings are
21:16 < vinrock> look at mcguyver over there
21:17 < vinrock> whats the briefcase itself look like
21:17 < khelpw> Not obsessed. It's just a hobby.
21:17 < JFDkthx> khelpw: you make all of that yourself.
21:17 < Hatter> you avoided the question!
21:17 < vinrock> ill show u mine if u show me yours
21:17 < Hatter> suspicious
21:17 < khelpw> This is how it all looks in the briefcase. https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/XDxNagu2/image.png
21:17 < Casteil> Top Paying Certifications: 8. Certified ScrumMaster - $106,938
21:17 <+giant_it_burrit> khelpw: wheres your gun?
21:17 < Casteil> now is that top paying because "Certified ScrumMaster" and there's not a huge data set?
21:17 < khelpw> another state lol
21:18 < vinrock> you should poast this to /r/edc
21:18 < vinrock> they'll be confused
21:18 < Casteil> seems kinda odd that scrum masters would make 106k but PMPs are only like 8k higher than that
21:18 < dragonfleas> anyone have a server with AMD's epyc platform?
21:18 < khelpw> Also grumplestiltzkin I don't keep my keys in my pocket and the yoyo and case are pretty small.
21:18 < Heresiarch> Casteil: not odd at all. Scrum is a thing, and Agile is fashionable enough that it pays well (for the time being).
21:19 < grumplestiltzkin> I dont even see a yoyo
21:19 < JFDkthx> Casteil: Then attend an in-person, two-day (16 hour) CSM course taught by a Certified Scrum Trainer (CST). After successfully completing the course, you will need to pass the CSM exam. To attain a passing score, you must correctly answer 24 of the 35 questions.
21:19 < JFDkthx> 24/35
21:19 < JFDkthx> is a pretty low bar
21:19 < JFDkthx> fucking two day course to make 100k
21:19 < dragonfleas> that's like a C
21:19 < Casteil> JFDkthx: lol, right?
21:19 < Casteil> I feel like 106k is pretty unlikely for scrum master cert
21:20 < JFDkthx> changing jobs
21:20 < Casteil> just looking at google/glassdoor scum master salaries range from like 60-90k
21:20 < JFDkthx> im switching to scrum, and getting my black belt fourth degree
21:20 < Casteil> maybe 106k in san franshitco
21:20 < JFDkthx> fucking 100kx100k
21:20 < JFDkthx> i'll be rich
21:20 < Casteil> lol
21:21 < khelpw> Here's your /r/edc pic https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/siRekD9k/image.png
21:21 < gnupluslinux> yeah aint no way youre pulling 100k as scrum master
21:21 < JFDkthx> RabDarGab: why dont you ever join on the right host.
21:21 < khelpw> the thing to the left of the S mini (flashlight) is the yoyo.
21:21 < JFDkthx> fix ur fucking life.
21:21 < gnupluslinux> as fuck every "scrum" master i've ever had to deal with
21:21 < gnupluslinux> useless
21:21 < Jagster``> ? project managers are paid well
21:21 < Jagster``> if you were paying htem 100k they might not be useless
21:21 < JFDkthx> gnupluslinux: theres the selling point. i'm not useless.
21:21 < JFDkthx> thats what sets me apart
21:22 < gnupluslinux> depends on the project and company Jagster``
21:22 < JFDkthx> from all of the other cum masters
21:22 < dragonfleas> did net neutrality ever get revoked? (non-political just curious)
21:22 < JFDkthx> scrum
21:22 < gnupluslinux> and location etc etc
21:22 < Gencade> Project manangers are useless 90% of the time
21:22 < Gencade> so
21:22 < dragonfleas> cum masters
21:22 < JFDkthx> dragonfleas: yes
21:22 < JFDkthx> states are choosing to uphold it tho
21:22 < gnupluslinux> some scrum masters are useless as all fuck
21:22 < grumplestiltzkin> khelpw: oh, the gold circle? I assmed that was some kind of 'dr strange' teleport magic thing
21:22 < dragonfleas> yes to cum masters or net neutrality?
21:22 < JFDkthx> only really liberal ones tho
21:22 < JFDkthx> why not both
21:22 < dragonfleas> lmao
21:22 < gnupluslinux> completely lost in the process and have no idea wtf they're doing
21:22 < vinrock> inappropriate comment incoming:
21:22 < vinrock> "A teenage boy kills 17 within 15 minutes, while a full grown woman only kills herself and wounds 4 in 30 minutes.  The wage gap explained."
21:23 < gnupluslinux> KANBAN BOARDS! STORIES! POINTS! stfu and get us our fucking needs so we can actually you know, do fucking work
21:23 < JFDkthx> vinrock: easy answer to that is boys are more likely to play violent video games
21:23 < gnupluslinux> 30 minute daily standup as opposed to you know, the 10 min its supposed to be to check off what went down
21:23 < JFDkthx> like battlefield modern warfare
21:23 < ihre> gnupluslinux: no, lets play some scrum poker first
21:23 < gnupluslinux> instead its a 30-40 min daily fucking meeting
21:23 <@Code_Man65> We prefer to call them Scrum lords
21:23 < vinrock> nice thats deep
21:23 < Heresiarch> s/play violent video games/spray and pray/
21:23 < ihre> and then meet over the results
21:23 <+layer-eight> JFDkthx meant: "vinrock: easy answer to that is boys are more likely to spray and pray"
21:24 < JFDkthx> Heresiarch: we have fast trigger fingers from whacking it everyday
21:24 < Casteil> but yeah... 2 days and a 24-35 question exam seems a bit of a low bar for such a well-paying certification
21:24 < JFDkthx> probably why every company is paying well to hire one
21:25 < JFDkthx> they are firing their shitty ones hoping for a good one
21:25 < gnupluslinux> such a bullshit position
21:25 < gnupluslinux> done well i get the point
21:25 < gnupluslinux> but so far i've yet to be convinced
21:26 < JFDkthx> we have good pmps here, but they are scrum buckets
21:26 < JFDkthx> arent
21:26 < gnupluslinux> just a whole lotta "lets hire a scrum master to lead the agile dev workshop!"
21:26 < khelpw> grumplestiltzkin: Nope. Just a yoyo. Not even one that's good for doing tricks or anything.
21:26 < gnupluslinux> JFDkthx, pmp is like a 5 year process
21:26 < JFDkthx> anyone use tortoise git?
21:27 < JFDkthx> gnupluslinux: yeah, and it shows, because these guys win contracts and fucking deliver early.
21:28 < gnupluslinux> minumum 4,500 hours leading and directing projects with a 4 yr degree
21:28 < gnupluslinux> 7,500 hours leading and directing projects without
21:31 < gnupluslinux> ok so i lied, (4500 hrs)/(2080 working hours/year) is like 2 years but thats assuming you have qualifying hours for the entirety
21:31 < JFDkthx> yeah
21:31 < gnupluslinux> ones i know pulled around 5 yr to clear theirs
21:31 < Hatter> r/theydidthemath
21:32 < ThatOneRoadie> Anyone here got a CCAr cert yet?
21:32 < ThatOneRoadie> :P
21:32 < gnupluslinux> i have my drivier's license
21:32 < gnupluslinux> its like a driver's license but fancier
21:33 < ThatOneRoadie> CCAr is a stupidly lucrative cert
21:33 < ThatOneRoadie> it's basically a ticket to make 750k/yr on contracts
21:33 < ThatOneRoadie> there's something like 20 of them on the planet
21:33 < Church-> Why free?
21:33 < Church-> Awesome
21:33 < Church-> Somebody is using google to ddos us possibly.
21:33 < felda> JFDkthx uses his pfsense to make sure none of his users have pubic hair
21:33 < ThatOneRoadie> It's a $2000 test and a $15,000 project and credential review
21:33 < Casteil> gnupluslinux: 4500 also assuming you have a bachelors degree
21:33 < gnupluslinux> Casteil, yep
21:34 < gnupluslinux> i was just trying to see the minimum amount of time itd take to pull off
21:34 < ThatOneRoadie> Similar to the VCDX, you have to defend your skills in front of a board who certifies you
21:34 <@ravioli> https://reddit.statuspage.io/
21:34 < felda> believing shaving to be fun at all times
21:35 < ThatOneRoadie> "Elevated error rate"
21:35 < ThatOneRoadie> Blame /r/circleoftrust
21:37 < ThatOneRoadie> oh
21:37 < ThatOneRoadie> and the fun part of CCAr
21:37 < ThatOneRoadie> It's valid for 5 years and you can't "renew" it like a regular cert
21:37 < ThatOneRoadie> In the 2 years before it expires, you have to have a "qualifying event" that renews it
21:37 <@ravioli> what's it on?
21:38 <@ravioli> like, what does it prove you know
21:38 < gnupluslinux> how to configure an ASA
21:38 < ThatOneRoadie> such as significant participation in the creation of CCAr exam content, Interviewing two candidates, board judging one candidate, or significant refinement of CCAr content
21:38 < ThatOneRoadie> CCAR = Cisco Certified Architect
21:39 < ThatOneRoadie> CCAr is the guy who you say "I want to create a network between my datacenter on the moon and my datacenter in the marianas trench" and they come back a month later with a full design, spec, functional limits, and a budget
21:39 < gnupluslinux> ThatOneRoadie, just cheked the recert reqs. looks like a royal pita
21:39 < ThatOneRoadie> (https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/training-events/training-certifications/certifications/architect/ccar.html#~Train)
21:39 <@ravioli> shit, i'll do that for $100k a year
21:39 < gnupluslinux> 750k is nice af though
21:40 <@ravioli> just as long as it's okay that i don't have the cert
21:40 < ThatOneRoadie> ravioli: there's only 10-20 CCAr's on the planet
21:40 < ThatOneRoadie> they make bank
21:40 < Heresiarch> so it's sort of the next level up after CCIE (probably involves multiple CCIE certs).
21:40 <@ravioli> and as long as it's okay for me to take a few years to do it
21:40 < ThatOneRoadie> Yeah, kinda Heresiarch
21:40 < ThatOneRoadie> CCIE -> CCDE -> CCAR iirc
21:40 < Heresiarch> principal architect sort of thing.
21:40 < ThatOneRoadie> yeah
21:40 < ebol4> what the hell is "Ar"
21:40 < ThatOneRoadie> Architect
21:40 < Jagster``> seems like a director level position
21:40 < ebol4> cisco certified pirate
21:40 < Jagster``> and most directors no longer need certs
21:41 < ThatOneRoadie> Yarrrr
21:41 < Jagster``> unless they're in sales
21:41 < Jagster``> like MSP
21:41 < Heresiarch> eh, most of the folks that reach that level don't really need to worry about money anyway.
21:41 < ThatOneRoadie> Cisco-Certified Yarr Matey
21:41 < gnupluslinux>  Candidates shall not submit project experience related to any classified projects. Submission of classified project information will be cause for immediate disqualification.
21:41 < gnupluslinux> lol
21:41 < JFDkthx> rip dod
21:42 < grumplestiltzkin> its such a high level cert, probably not many roles that actually need it.  like - yeah, <20ish, you know all the others at that point
21:42 < JFDkthx> fuck work im leaving
21:42 < JFDkthx> bye
21:42 < Heresiarch> grumplestiltzkin: yup. Even CCIEs, many work in enterprise/carrier-level networks. Don't need many of them.
21:43 < grumplestiltzkin> and there are somewhere around 20k CCIEs
21:44 < ebol4> cisco certified Cool
21:44 < ebol4> that's me
21:44 < ebol4> does anyone know what exactly a new york knick is
21:44 < ebol4> what the heck does that mean
21:45 <+giant_it_burrit> yes
21:45 <+giant_it_burrit> knick
21:45 < khelpw> sportsball ebol4
21:45 < F34RInc> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Knicks
21:45 <+giant_it_burrit> as in knickerbocker
21:45 <+giant_it_burrit> as it fuck you
21:45 < ebol4> i mean i know it's a sports
21:45 < ebol4> but like
21:45 < ebol4> if someone calls you a knick
21:45 < ebol4> what does that mean
21:46 <+giant_it_burrit> it means your a pair of baggy golf pants
21:46 <+giant_it_burrit> aka knickers
21:46 < ebol4> that's not what i want to be
21:46 <+giant_it_burrit> old white men are inside you
21:46 < khelpw> or it could be racism.
21:46 < ebol4> get out!!!
21:46 <+giant_it_burrit> i'm white everything i say is racism
21:47 < mkillebrew> not since I deleted grindr
21:47 <+giant_it_burrit> not a fan mkillebrew ?
21:47 < gnupluslinux> anyone want to recommend me a nice stout?
21:47 < mkillebrew> not really
21:47 <+giant_it_burrit> a little teapot?
21:48 < Heresiarch> gnupluslinux: lagunitas capuccino stout
21:49 < mkillebrew> they all taste the same to me
21:49 < grumplestiltzkin> gnupluslinux: rahr made a chocolate milk stout for like the 10th anniversary or something
21:49 < grumplestiltzkin> pretty tasty in smal amounts
21:50 < grumplestiltzkin> it came in a 750 ml bottle.  so, if you drink the whole thing youll feel like you just ate thanksgiving dinner, but dirty
21:51 < gnupluslinux> .wa 750ml to oz
21:52 < ebol4> 2 oz
21:52 < B_RAD> Anyone here into LogRhythm config?
21:52 < grumplestiltzkin> like a standard wine bottle size
21:53 < gnupluslinux> i been grabbing 650ml bottles of stouts and downing them throughout a night of cranking this rewrite out
21:54 < gnupluslinux> didnt seem like a full wine bottle but now that you mention it i should probably cut back...
22:00 < dragonfleas> anybody use osticket?
22:00 < dragonfleas> can I use php 7.0?
22:00 < dragonfleas> or do i need to revert to 5.6
22:00 < DrGibby|> do u kno de wae?
22:00 < dragonfleas> ya i kno de wae
22:00 < dragonfleas> you smell of ebola, it is good ebola
22:00 < Gencade> DrGibby|, ebola
22:00 < ebol4> you rang
22:00 < vinrock> https://krebsonsecurity.com/2018/04/dot-cm-typosquatting-sites-visited-12m-times-so-far-in-2018/
22:01 < khelpw> The most superior drink of distinguished soviets is Baltika No9 - Extra lager. St. Pete's finest malt "beverage"
22:01 < vinrock> aaand just blocked *.cm/*
22:01 < Heresiarch> dragonfleas: sez 5.3+, so you might try 7.0.
22:01 < dragonfleas> Heresiarch, if it doesn't work i suppose i can purge 7.0 and revert
22:01 < Heresiarch> dragonfleas: you'll want to avoid php 5.x if possible anyway. The last LTS that supports it will be ending support in another year or two.
22:02 < dragonfleas> shit
22:02 < Heresiarch> yup. 14.04LTS is the last ubuntu version that has php 5.x (5.6, iirc). EOLs on 4/2019.
22:03 < dragonfleas> i'm on 16.04.1
22:03 < Heresiarch> can you even get php5 on 16.04?
22:03 < mkillebrew> why would you even want php of any version
22:03 < gnupluslinux> dragonfleas, do you... not update?
22:03 < mkillebrew> are you just trying to make your life more difficult?
22:03 < gnupluslinux> its been 16.04.4 for abit now
22:04 < gnupluslinux> 18 should be popping up soon
22:04 < dragonfleas> "sudo apt-get install php5.6 php5.6-cli php5.6-mysql php-gettext php5.6-mbstring php-xdebug libapache2-mod-php5.6 php5.6-gd php5.6-imap php5.6-xml -y"
22:04 < Heresiarch> huh. TIL. Well, I guess it dun't matter then.
22:04 < dragonfleas> gnupluslinux, i'm a linux noob
22:04 < dragonfleas> sudo apt-get upgrade is all i know
22:05 < dragonfleas> but you have to purge the dpkg
22:05 < gnupluslinux> assuming you _want_ to do the point upgrade, "apt dist-upgrade" is what you're looking for
22:05 < Heresiarch> dragonfleas: still should check around. If osticket is still in active dev, they're almost certainly looking to move to 7.x.
22:06 < dragonfleas> I have the newest version of osticket, it's most recent revision was sep 14th, 2017
22:06 < dragonfleas> so i'm not sure it's still active
22:07 < Heresiarch> last commit on github was a couple of months ago.
22:07 < dragonfleas> it's just slow dev
22:07 < dragonfleas> it's freeware mostly, so I'm sure they probably don't pay a lot of attention to it
22:08 < grumplestiltzkin> hm. speaking of, whats the most straightforward path to get a LAMP server up these days?  Centos?
22:09 < Heresiarch> centos/ubuntu.
22:09 < grumplestiltzkin> not for enterprise
22:09 < Heresiarch> ...centos/ubuntu.
22:09 < Heresiarch> (maybe ubuntu first, if not for enterprise)
22:09 < grumplestiltzkin> thanks
22:10 < dragonfleas> i like ubuntu
22:10 < dragonfleas> i'm installing the lamp server right now
22:12 < Church-> So think I might have a rootkit.
22:12 < Church-> Neat.
22:12 < Church-> Either way pretty sure somebody is inside two of my instances.
22:13 < jbroome> all up in dem guts
22:13 < dragonfleas> Church-, shut down all network access, segregate, sandbox
22:13 < dragonfleas> Church-, also prepare 3 envelopes
22:14 < gnupluslinux> lol vinrock did you read the article?
22:14 < vinrock> yeah its some shitty network from one of the big spammers
22:14 < gnupluslinux> NASA, 104 times in feb, 16 being porn
22:14 < vinrock> nobody here has a reason to visit any site with a cameroon tld
22:14 < vinrock> oh god yeah thats what made me go hmm
22:18 < binaryhermit> to be fair, .cm is cameroon's tld
22:18 < binaryhermit> so I could see it getting some use, like .co
22:18 < binaryhermit> or accidental
22:20 < dragonfleas> i need help
22:20 < dragonfleas> when i try to use a browser to access my phpmyadmin it doesn't work
22:20 < dragonfleas> i just get that I couldn't resolve the name
22:21 < dragonfleas> is it dns?
22:21 < dragonfleas> inb4 "it's always DNS"
22:21 < Heresiarch> dragonfleas: if the problem is that you can't resolve a name, then it's probably DNS.
22:21 < dragonfleas> do i need to manually make an A record for this server since it's linux?
22:22 < Heresiarch> yup.
22:22 < dragonfleas> I figured one would have been created from dhcp...
22:22 < Heresiarch> dragonfleas: depends on how your dhcp is configured. Windows clients will auto-register on DNS. Linux will not.
22:22 < dragonfleas> ^^^^didn't know that
22:22 < dragonfleas> thanks
22:22 < dragonfleas> i just open the ifconfig right?
22:22 < dragonfleas> ifconfig.conf?
22:22 < Heresiarch> ?
22:22 < dragonfleas> I can't remember
22:23 < dragonfleas> i don't remember what the ip settings conf file is called
22:24 < Heresiarch> what are you trying to do?
22:27 < vinrock> dragonfleas add an entry to your machine's hosts file
22:28 < vinrock> that way it wil resolve the url without having to fuck wit dns til its ready
22:28 < dragonfleas> i got the database account created for osticket
22:28 < dragonfleas> in phpmyadmin
22:28 < dragonfleas> where do i find webroot
22:28 < mkillebrew> ...
22:28 < dragonfleas> grep www?
22:28 < mkillebrew> rtfm
22:28 < vinrock> /var/www
22:28 < vinrock> ya hoser
22:28 < dragonfleas> lmao
22:29 <@JollyRgrs> dragonfleas: you really don't want spysweeper :P
22:31 < OxNightbird> Hey, can anyone provide some help with SSL certs? Specifically a stupid .pem I was given?
22:31 < vinrock> sup
22:33 < vinrock> wall of text incoming
22:33 < Heresiarch> OxNightbird: depends on the problem.
22:33 < vinrock> or not
22:33 < OxNightbird> I have a web service on server B that's supposed to sign requests with the SSL cert from the web server, server A. I asked sysadmin of server A for private key/passphrase. He gives me a .pem (no password) that says "-----BEGIN RSA PRIVATE KEY----- <text> END RSA PRIVATE KEY"
22:33 < OxNightbird> I can openssl rsa -check it fine
22:33 < OxNightbird> I can put a passphrase on it using openssl as well
22:34 < pcspkr> stop moving the private key around
22:34 < pcspkr> it should never leave the box
22:34 < OxNightbird> but if I try to -outform DER, the file I get "can't be used as a Security Certificate"
22:34 < OxNightbird> Yeah... not my architecture design. :|
22:34 < Hatter> JollyRgrs: spysweeper?
22:34 < pcspkr> because it's not a certificate
22:34 < Hatter> do you mean lansweeper
22:34 < pcspkr> it's a key
22:35 < Heresiarch> OxNightbird: ...iirc, signing is done by the cert.
22:35 < pcspkr> Heresiarch: no, signing is a private key operation
22:35 < OxNightbird> Yeah. But it's a private/public pair, right? So I should be able to get the public out of it?
22:35 < OxNightbird> Or, as I'm suspecting, did Server A sysadmin give me junk?
22:35 < pcspkr> OxNightbird: it's not a keypair it's a private key
22:36 < Heresiarch> pcspkr: ah, I might be thinking of signature validation.
22:36 < Heresiarch> pcspkr: thx
22:36 < OxNightbird> pcspkr: In the past, I've been given either a pre-made JKS or a .cer and .pem. So I'm missing the .cer, basically.
22:37 < OxNightbird> ?
22:38 < pcspkr> there's 3 distinct completely separate things in PKI
22:38 < pcspkr> a private key, a public key and a certificate
22:38 < pcspkr> cryptographic operations are only done with the keys
22:39 < pcspkr> a certificate is just a public key with other relevant information included and the data is signed by the CA
22:40 < OxNightbird> Ah, okay. So I can't necessarily pull the certificate (to send to end-users) with just the keys. But in some formats, I should be able to pull all parts from the same file. But shouldn't a .pem have all 3?
22:41 < pcspkr> because you have and trust the CA's certificate -> public key you can verify an end entity certificate by comparing the signature to the CA's public key you have
22:42 <@Code_Man65> OxNightbird:  Unless you have a VERY good reason you shouldn't be sending the private key
22:42 <@Code_Man65> You should only ever send the public
22:42 < pcspkr> OxNightbird: a pem can be whatever, it's just the format openssl uses for keys
22:43 < dragonfleas> can i ask youo guys what does find /var/www/html -type f -exec chmod 0644 {} \; do
22:43 < dragonfleas> is it assigning file permissions?
22:43 < OxNightbird> Codoe_Man65: Right, no. This is all internal with the private.
22:43 < Gencade> codoe man
22:43 < OxNightbird> dragonfleas: putting rw/r/r on all files under /var/www/html
22:43 < Heresiarch> dragonfleas: yes. It assigns owner=read+write, group=read+write, everyone else=read perms for every file under /var/www/html
22:44 < pcspkr> OxNightbird: you can generate the public key from the private key but you would still need to create a certificate request and get it signed by a CA to produce a certificate
22:45 < dragonfleas> ahhhh
22:45 < dragonfleas> is that number a matrix with permissions?
22:45 < tapoxi> ya
22:45 < dragonfleas> like it would be 0/6/6/6
22:45 < dragonfleas> each one of those corresponds with a level of permission
22:45 < tapoxi> http://permissions-calculator.org
22:45 < dragonfleas> tapoxi, you're the REAL mvp
22:46 < tapoxi> read is 4, write is 2, execute is 1. you can do it in your head but that helps
22:46 < ihre> heh i feel like https://crontab.guru/ is a worth mentioning too :P
22:46 < tapoxi> so 400 is read-only and only accessible to that user, etc
22:46 < dragonfleas> 0 is full access?
22:46 < SynMonger> 777 yolo
22:47 < ravioli> you can pretty safely just mark everything as 777
22:47 < OxNightbird> pcspkr: So if I use the openssl rsa command (since it's an RSA pem) and ask for DER output, but can't open the DER file in Windows... that's because it's lacking the proper tags, I guess? Because it's the keys with no certificate information.
22:47 < tapoxi> dragonfleas: 0 is no access
22:47 < ihre> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_system_permissions#Numeric_notation
22:47 < dragonfleas> ah
22:47 < dragonfleas> higher the digit the freer the access?
22:47 < pcspkr> OxNightbird: yes
22:47 < ihre> also use stat often
22:47 < ihre> stat file to see permissions in alphabetic/numeric notation
22:47 < OxNightbird> pcspkr: Thank you, thank you.
22:47 < ravioli> dragonfleas: also because no one is correcting me i feel like i should point out that doing 777 on everything is actually a very bad idea.
22:47 < ravioli> and i was joking and i'm sorry pls forgive me
22:48 < dragonfleas> i did 0755 and 0644 on them
22:48 < dragonfleas> internet said it was best practice
22:48 < OxNightbird> ravioli: I was just distracted. :) Really 640 would be ideal, right?
22:48 < Hatter> post more useful sites please
22:48 < ihre> http://www.ishetaltijdvoorbier.nl/
22:49 < grumplestiltzkin> you have to use the -YOLO flag when setting 777
22:49 < dragonfleas> you can flag files?
22:49 < ihre> depends on what you mean with flag, but -YOLO definitely works
22:50 < dragonfleas> what does that switch do
22:50 < ihre> >_>
22:50 < ThatOneRoadie> welp
22:50 < ThatOneRoadie> I have a new live wallpaper https://i.redd.it/dtsxav7itwp01.gif
22:50 < OxNightbird> ......
22:50 < grumplestiltzkin> it toggles the volatility
22:50 < dragonfleas> lmao
22:50 < ihre> ThatOneRoadie: show me ur rack!
22:51 < dragonfleas> pls don't make fun, i have 0 linux experience and i'm trying to get more hands on with it since we have 3 production linux servers
22:51 < ihre> wanna see dem sweet apples again
22:51 < dragonfleas> i need someone to walk me through navigation, who wants to make 100 dollars?
22:51 < ihre> nah thanks
22:51 < ThatOneRoadie> Sun's out guns out https://i.imgur.com/jh4sYfZ.jpg
22:51 < tapoxi> dragonfleas: I dont need $100 but you can pm me if you have any questions
22:52 < dragonfleas> that cable management is SEXY
22:52 < dragonfleas> tapoxi, can you help me with grep?
22:52 < tapoxi> I learned on freenode so I owe it a life debt
22:52 < dragonfleas> isn't grep just advanced search?
22:52 < grumplestiltzkin> do I spy a raised floor?
22:52 < ThatOneRoadie> mawp https://i.imgur.com/Emoah2J.jpg
22:53 < tapoxi> dragonfleas: you can use a regex with grep
22:53 < ebol4> grep is for MEN
22:53 < OxNightbird> dragonfleas: grep has some basic regular expression (regex) abilities. Advancned search, sure.
22:53 < ThatOneRoadie> grumplestiltzkin: it's mostly power and cold air plenum
22:53 < Heresiarch> dragonfleas: once you start down the dark path (regex), forever will it dominate your destiny.
22:53 < ThatOneRoadie> it's like 8" of raised floor
22:53 < tapoxi> dragonfleas: can also use a regex with sed if you want to replace text instead of find it
22:53 < SynMonger> that way lies madness
22:53 < tapoxi> no, awk lies madness
22:53 < dragonfleas> so grep is like the 11 inch cock of search functionality?
22:53 < dragonfleas> regex being the tip of the penis?
22:54 < ThatOneRoadie> sed | awk | grep 'sed'
22:54 < OxNightbird> Welp, I'm out.
22:54 < ThatOneRoadie> for the fun loop
22:54 < OxNightbird> lol
22:54 < SynMonger> it's useful and doesn't bulge your pants
22:54 < dragonfleas> i see
22:54 < SynMonger> it's a grower, not a shower
22:54 < Heresiarch> dragonfleas: regex is more the 11" cock. grep is the panties with strap-on attach point.
22:54 < dragonfleas> i see
22:55 < tapoxi> dragonfleas: regex is useful in a ton of shit
22:55 < dragonfleas> hmmmm, i know basic regex
22:55 < dragonfleas> you need to know regex for powershell
22:55 < dragonfleas> so i'm sure grep won't be too hard to figure out
22:55  * Heresiarch cackles
22:55 < dragonfleas> the file structure of the different distros is something i'm sure i'll learn by experience
22:55 < tapoxi> dragonfleas: https://regexr.com
22:56 < dragonfleas> i'm bookmarking all of these links
22:56 < dragonfleas> so far i hate linux, will that ever change
22:56 < tapoxi> yeah the only difference really is package managers and filesystem layout, but they mostly use this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard
22:57 < Heresiarch> dragonfleas: TL;DR of linux dir hierarchy. If it's a config file, it's probably in /etc. If it's a program, the binary for that program is probably in /usr/bin, /bin, /sbin, or /usr/sbin (you'll find out the differences later). If it's a log file, it's probably in /var/log. For a webroot, /var/www.
22:57 < ihre> dragonfleas: not with that attitude :p
22:57 < dragonfleas> Heresiarch, thank you
22:57 < The_Dv8or> sup
22:58 < asimon> I just made the jump from Win10 to Linux (Mint) as well
22:58 < The_Dv8or> howsa that goin, asimon
22:58 < asimon> My assessment so far is that Mint is just like windows except nothing works like it should
22:58 < Heresiarch> dragonfleas: also, on ubuntu - learn to love dpkg -l | grep <package_name> and dpkg -L <package_name>
22:58 < tapoxi> asimon: whats fucked
22:58 < tapoxi> I havent used mint in a decade fwiw
22:58 < asimon> Had to spend like an hour and a half trying to get my yubikey to work with keepass on there
22:58 < The_Dv8or> Im thinking of switching to a Linux GUI as my primary desktop, switching back to the Mac just for games or so
22:59 < Heresiarch> dragonfleas: and yes...it will change. Come to the darkside. We have (mature) devops.
22:59 < asimon> And a few of my games are incompatible (with no help from Wine)
23:00 < The_Dv8or> Wine is kludgy at best
23:00 < asimon> Seems that way, yeah
23:00 < ebol4> is OS X really better than linux for gaming?
23:01 <@Code_Man65> Crossover is the superior option on linux'
23:01 < ebol4> native gaming, i mean
23:01 <@Code_Man65> Yeah, you pay for it but it makes it work better
23:02 < tapoxi> asimon: yeah dont play games on linux
23:02 < tapoxi> ebol4: yeah. most popular games are ported to mac
23:02 < asimon> How bad would it be to set up a VM for gaming? I don't really want the hassle of a dual boot if I can avoid it
23:03 < estranger> bad
23:03 < asimon> Good to know
23:03 < The_Dv8or> depends on the game
23:03 < phormulate> kvm has a gpu passthrough that is reasonable, or so I've heard in recent kernels iommu happy whatnot, comperable to what xen was doing in '11-12ish... always could do that egpu
23:03 < ebol4> asimon: it's fine if you set up PCI passthrough and literally give the VM your video card
23:03 < ebol4> otherwise, no
23:03 < phormulate> there are always options
23:03 < phormulate> ya...
23:03 < grumplestiltzkin> eve works pretty well on linux.  WoW would, if openGL weren't dead.     setting up a VM and passing the GPU to it, using onboard for linux video shouldn't be that hard. you'd think.   but its kind of a pin in teh ass
23:03 < The_Dv8or> I played OddWorld without much issue…. granted the game is older than I am, but it still has its share of using resources
23:03 < estranger> good luck, it'll be shit :o
23:03 < ebol4> i tried setting up PCI passthrough with an nvidia card a few years ago and it was awful
23:03 < ebol4> i got it working eventually
23:04 < ebol4> took days though
23:04 < phormulate> ati worked well with xen
23:04 < phormulate> it is easier with namespaces and iommu these days
23:04 < phormulate> you could always multihead qubesos
23:04 < Ignacy> PCI passtrough? is that even possible?
23:04 < phormulate> ya
23:04 < phormulate> ...
23:04 < grumplestiltzkin> YUJE pain in the ass
23:04 < vinrock> WELCOME TO 2018
23:05 < tapoxi> asimon: for what its worth trying to fix broken shit on a linux desktop really helped me learn linux
23:05 < tapoxi> its now my dayjob
23:05 < phormulate> has been since xen implimented back in lik 08 or something
23:05 < phormulate> tapoxi, ++
23:05 < vinrock> im gettin ready to redo my pc with ~linux~
23:05 < estranger> i sell avon
23:05 < vinrock> got a quadro ima pass through to win7 vm for photoshoopin
23:06 < estranger> computers are a fad
23:06 < vinrock> don't be a rude dude
23:06 < estranger> dont you even watch the commercials? kids dont even know what a computer is
23:06 < phormulate> beauty and cancer, is forever
23:06 < Ignacy> btw, who said EVE works on linux? I tried it in
23:06 < Ignacy> '12 and wasn't that good really
23:06 < Ignacy> or '11
23:06 < estranger> i got one windows computer left.. and its for gaming
23:06 < tapoxi> Ignacy: they ported it to linux
23:07 < vinrock> wat
23:07 < vinrock> when
23:07 < Ignacy> like, for real?
23:07 < grumplestiltzkin> theres a main chat channel inside eve with linux people
23:07 < vinrock> they ditched the linux client ages ago
23:07 < estranger> its been unregistered win10 for like 2-3 years
23:07 < estranger> works fine
23:07 < tapoxi> like 2014, then they stopped supporting it
23:07 < Ignacy> there always was. i remember them, those people who could never connect to audio and fly in fleets proper
23:07 < tapoxi> estranger: ive found out that devops is a lot easier with a computer
23:07 < phormulate> rip f.e.a.r. combat
23:07 < vinrock> man today is EVE day itc
23:07 < dragonfleas> i wish all games were available on linux
23:07 < vinrock> noice
23:07 < dragonfleas> i would probably switch just to learn
23:07 < estranger> devops is a fad
23:07 < dragonfleas> ^no
23:07 < phormulate> systemD is a fad
23:07 < dragonfleas> devops is future
23:07 < estranger> irc is dying
23:07 < grumplestiltzkin> quickbooks is a fad
23:08 < ebol4> devoops howeer, is forever
23:08 < dragonfleas> sysadmin is a fad
23:08 < vinrock> i would never touch windows if it had office, photoshoop/lightroom and games
23:08 < tapoxi> systemd is a savior
23:08 < The_Dv8or> is devops even a thing thats different than sysadminning
23:08 < vinrock> linux that is
23:08 < estranger> arrays start at 1
23:08 < tapoxi> The_Dv8or: I dont have any systems to admin
23:08 < ebol4> notepad > nano
23:08 < dragonfleas> The_Dv8or, the difference is development
23:08 < estranger> my dogs shit > nano
23:08 < dragonfleas> system admins admin and devops op
23:08 < Ignacy> emacs > windows
23:08 < Heresiarch> estranger: your trolling is bad and you should feel bad.
23:08 < estranger> ACID is a lie
23:08 < dragonfleas> RIP freenode 1922-2019
23:08 < tapoxi> acid is a lie hail cassandra
23:08 < Heresiarch> ...
23:10 < estranger> I had a meeting today at $creditcard, replacing another db2 system (they added a layer of oracle for "HA" .. more like for the "hahaha"... replacing that too)
23:10 < Heresiarch> ...wat. What kinda sick fuck layers Oracle and DB2?
23:10 < tapoxi> oracle, ha!
23:10 < estranger> I know
23:10 < estranger> i kept on my poker face
23:11 < Heresiarch> "We haven't been reamed hard enough on database license costs." "CALL ORACLE!"
23:11 < estranger> ive seen some weird shit, this is one of them
23:11 < Alternity> should have told them to run it on the blockchain
23:11 < phormulate> thedailywtf-able?
23:11 < tapoxi> im sick of blockchain we need a new fad
23:12 < Heresiarch> tapoxi: big data
23:12 < tapoxi> no thats old
23:12 < tapoxi> people dont care about hadoop anymore
23:12 < Alternity> medium data
23:12 < estranger> everyone is going lambda, it's great.. people know what kafka is now, makes my life easier
23:12 < asimon> Low-yield nuclear data
23:12 < tapoxi> oh fuck
23:12 < phormulate> back to basics, honeypotting via pr0n for resources to mine
23:12 < tapoxi> I forgot about serverless
23:12 < tapoxi> god damn I hate serverless
23:12 < estranger> big data is boring, its basically solved
23:12 < Heresiarch> ah yes. Everyone convert their apps to lambda functions.
23:13 < estranger> not lambda functions, lambda data architectures
23:13 < Alternity> all about having machine learning as a bullet point on your product
23:13 < tapoxi> I saw a "lambda will kill containers and vms!!!111" article
23:13 < Alternity> i swear every damn sales demo i get stuck watching
23:13 < tapoxi> it made me bleed from the mouth
23:13 < Alternity> they talk about their machine learning
23:13 < estranger> Alternity, know what is fucking cool? ML + Graph databases
23:13 < phormulate> ouch
23:14 < Heresiarch> speaking of...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfCayuZ1ers
23:14 <+layer-eight> YouTube DevOpsDays Boston 2017- Terrible Ideas In Lambda by Corey Quinn by 2017-11-02T16:27:47.000Z (duration: 30:07) on Thu Nov 02 23:27:47 UTC 2017, 2017-11-02T16:27:47.000Z views
23:14 < tapoxi> Heresiarch: I went to that
23:14 < Heresiarch> tapoxi: Corey Quinn is my hero.
23:15 < estranger> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambda_architecture
23:16 < tapoxi> that said most of the DoD talks are stupid
23:17 < tapoxi> fuck I hate virtualbox why does it have to be the only VM that works
23:17 < Heresiarch> o/
23:18 < tapoxi> I've spent a day debugging this stupid thing and the cause was hyperkit all along
23:21 < felda> oh yeah baby just keep piling on the requests users.  don't stop until i'm crying yeah
23:21 < ebol4> yeah make felda cry
23:21 < felda> That time you started a project and asked for user input while you were doing it and they just keep wanting more and more shit added to it
23:22 < ebol4> my favorite is when you ask for input, they say they have no more requests, and then you finish it, and they give you more requests then
23:24 < asimon> Gotta get that shit in writing
23:24 < asimon> And request more funding if they want a larger scope
23:24 < The_Dv8or> shitcunt… which one of you sons of whores took my HDMI-DisplayPort adapter?
23:24 < ihre> tapoxi: on windows ? ;p
23:25 < tapoxi> ihre: macos
23:25 < ihre> brew install qemu? idk im not a mac user :D
23:26 < asimon> The_Dv8or: I think I saw it earlier...does it look like this? http://www.fiftythree.org/etherkiller/img/db25killer.jpg
23:26 < The_Dv8or> I think I saw that on /r/techsupportgore the other day
23:27 < The_Dv8or> fuckin eBay wants 5 bucks for a 5 foot DVI cable
23:28 < genr8__> sounds about right
23:28 < genr8__> why dont you get it off amazon
23:28 < The_Dv8or> when I dont need a DVI cable, Im fuckin drowning in them
23:28 < The_Dv8or> same with power cables
23:28 < genr8__> i had a box of 500 power cables once
23:28 < The_Dv8or> I just threw out a ton of old cables Ive been dragging around wiht me for 15 years
23:29 < genr8__> i kept a few but i think im down to like 1 left
23:29 < The_Dv8or> tons of old coax, all my cat5e, some other old shit
23:29 < genr8__> yeah i know the feeling
23:29 < The_Dv8or> yep, 5 bucks on Amazon too
23:30 < grumplestiltzkin> I lightened the load a few months back. I had like 2 dozen standard 6 foot nema15 power cables in a desk drawer
23:30 < genr8__> DVI was always more expensive , clunky
23:30 < tapoxi> ihre: nah my options for minikube are hyperkit, xhyve, and virtualbox
23:30 < The_Dv8or> I just wanna get my 3rd monitor off VGA.  Its acting like ass on there
23:30 < genr8__> ugh
23:30 < genr8__> the key is stocking up on cables and adapters so you only pay the shipping once
23:31 < The_Dv8or> Id do that if I was working
23:31 < The_Dv8or> hell, if I was working, Id just heist it from work
23:31 < The_Dv8or> half the cables and adapters I have are heisted, along with my laptop backpack
23:32 < ihre> tapoxi: ah right, <3 minikube tho
23:33 < ihre> minikube does support kvm, not an option on mac?
23:34 < dragonfleas> chown
23:34 < dragonfleas> is that taking ownership?
23:34 < The_Dv8or> yeah
23:34 < dragonfleas> kk
23:34 < tapoxi> change owner
23:34 < The_Dv8or> hence “own"
23:34 < dragonfleas> chown username:filename?
23:35 < The_Dv8or> the Spy vs Spy splash screen on C64 may have been the coolest ever
23:35 < tapoxi> chown username:groupname filename
23:35 < dragonfleas> OH
23:35 < genr8__> is there such a thing as a Tablet power adapter, like a laptop power adapter, which has very long cables on both ends ?
23:35 < dragonfleas> is there a way to look at a list of groups on linux?
23:35 < tapoxi> dragonfleas: also chown -R username:groupname directory/
23:35 < tapoxi> dragonfleas: cat /etc/passwd
23:35 < genr8__> theres another way
23:36 < tapoxi> /etc/group
23:36 < dragonfleas> ummmm, there's a nobody groupo?
23:36 < tapoxi> ya
23:36 < admiralspark> yup
23:36 < dragonfleas> wtf hahaha
23:36 < MetaNova> yes
23:36 < genr8__> thats important actually.
23:36 < dragonfleas> "yeah this guy, he's a nobody, throw him away"
23:37 < genr8__> services tend to run as that
23:37 < tapoxi> NFS tends to create shit as nobody
23:37 < admiralspark> dragonfleas: https://askubuntu.com/a/329716
23:37 < genr8__> so its no BODY its a BOT
23:37 < dragonfleas> i'm guessing backup is the equivalent of backup operator?
23:37 < admiralspark> low-perms service account, only member is the user 'nobody'
23:39 < tapoxi> dragonfleas: also services tend to have their shell set to /sbin/nologin , which is basically just an app that says "you can't login as this user!"
23:39 < dragonfleas> so accounts have a shell tied to it?
23:39 < tapoxi> yup
23:39 < dragonfleas> can you install multiple desktop environments and set different ones to each account?
23:39 < tapoxi> yup
23:39 < dragonfleas> fuck that's awesome
23:40 < dragonfleas> so i could have a gnome 4 account and a lxde account?
23:40 < tapoxi> so the shell just means a CLI shell
23:40 < dragonfleas> ah
23:40 < dragonfleas> interesting
23:40 < tapoxi> for guis you have a display manager that appears at login
23:40 < dragonfleas> linux = custom
23:40 < tapoxi> and that display manager will let you log into one or more DEs
23:40 < tapoxi> so you can have xfce, gnome, kde, i3 installed and just pick which one you want at the login prompt
23:40 < tapoxi> same user
23:40 < ihre> cat /etc/passwd to see the differences
23:41 < tapoxi> servers tend to not have any DEs installed at all
23:41 < genr8__> what context does the DE actually run as tho ? root ?
23:41 < dragonfleas> i really like xfce
23:42 < ihre> genr8__: i think gde has a ... gde user
23:42 < genr8__> maybe something like that
23:42 < ihre> i manually start x after loggin in, it runs as my own user
23:43 < genr8__> yea the permission system is so nice
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