--- Log opened Mon May 28 00:00:35 2018
00:02 < agris> for some reason i can't figure out why GNUCash keeps trying to pull in libboost with icu support despite my specficly configuring gnucash without internationalization support
00:04 < agris> oh wait i'm looking at the build script here
00:04 < agris> # libdbi version requirement for sqlite taken from bug #455134
00:04 < agris> #
00:04 < agris> # dev-libs/boost must always be built with nls enabled.
00:04 < rhqq> =]
00:05 < agris> weird
00:05 < McDonaldsWiFi> hmm.. Gonna try out libre office instead of ms office
00:05 < McDonaldsWiFi> anyone here use thunderbird?
00:05 < McDonaldsWiFi> that a good email client?
00:06 < agris> i wonder if i disable sqlite (offline sql) support temporally till that bug is fixed i can use a non-international version of boost
00:06 < agris> McDonaldsWiFi, it's good but it really bogs down if you have a massive amount of mail
00:06 < McDonaldsWiFi> ahh
00:07 < McDonaldsWiFi> well I'm justing using my mail from my private domain, shouldn't be much
00:07 < McDonaldsWiFi> works for me then ^^
00:07 < McDonaldsWiFi> agris: you have any other alternatives you like better?
00:07 < agris> McDonaldsWiFi, i'm currently using it but i'm trying to migrate a lot of what i do to claws-mail but if your not handling multiple accounts of multigigabyte mboxes thunderbird is fine
00:07 < rhqq> McDonaldsWiFi: i've migrated all my accounts to gmail, really
00:07 < McDonaldsWiFi> ahh cool
00:08 < rhqq> better than any offline mail client, imho
00:08 < McDonaldsWiFi> Yeah I'm huge on minimalism, trying to make my laptop work faster in general
00:08 < agris> only reason i'm still stuck with thunderbird is it's good selection of third party plugins for DAV integration
00:08 < McDonaldsWiFi> office products are so damn bloated now
00:08 < agris> i'd use mutt if all i needed was email =)
00:08 < rhqq> well, they never were really bloatless
00:08 < McDonaldsWiFi> yeah
00:08 < rhqq> agris: pine! :D
00:08 < McDonaldsWiFi> but within the last 2 years its gotten noticeably worse
00:08 < agris> i tried pine. i really don't care for it. pine feels like nano vs vim to me
00:09 < rhqq> hah
00:09 < agris> (not to start an editor war!)
00:09 < rhqq> :P
00:09 < McDonaldsWiFi> never really used libre office either
00:09 < McDonaldsWiFi> but I'm sure it runs better than freaking office
00:10 < McDonaldsWiFi> I applied for a sysadmin spot and at the interview he told me they don't have any cloud based services in use, except for MDM
00:10 < agris> locate gnucash-2.7.4-r1.ebuild
00:10 < McDonaldsWiFi> I was so happy to hear it, office 365 has been pretty slow lately too
00:11 < agris> McDonaldsWiFi, oh your tottally set to go with LibreOffice
00:12 < agris> it's now at the point where it's better than the Microsoft product
00:12 < agris> more stable too
00:12 < voidstar> <3 LibreOffice
00:12 < agris> <3 the determination and persistence of GNU project hackers
00:13 < agris> i remember back when the best there was was the oracle owned OpenOffice
00:14 < agris> thank god they forked OpenOffice when Oracle took over SUN Microsystems and made LibreOffice into what it is today like they did with MySQL and MariaDB
00:14 < voidstar> was pretty good for what it was back then
00:14 < McDonaldsWiFi> I wish I knew more code
00:14 < McDonaldsWiFi> I really want to start making some super minimalistic tools for myself lol
00:14 < McDonaldsWiFi> I wonder what libreoffice is even written in, probably C++
00:15 < McDonaldsWiFi> ahh mostly C++
00:15 < McDonaldsWiFi> I think MS has been using a lot more .NET/C# in their apps or something
00:15 < McDonaldsWiFi> cause it runs like dog shit
00:18 < agris> I really want to learn C
00:18 < m4221> Hey McDonaldsWiFi
00:18 < McDonaldsWiFi> ayyyy
00:18 < McDonaldsWiFi> agris: I've been learning it as a hobby
00:18 < agris> i know BaSH well enough and enough Python to get by but i really want to learn a mature lang like C
00:19 < McDonaldsWiFi> not that I'm any good at it at all
00:19 < McDonaldsWiFi> but its fun to code, and I really love how brutal it is
00:19 < agris> It's so well supported on UNIX systems with the whole gnu/bsd make, c compilers on every unix platform, dubuggers, lint
00:19 < agris> plus it's only one step up from assembly
00:20 < McDonaldsWiFi> yeah and gcc is just plain great
00:20 < agris> and how portable it is really interests me
00:20 < McDonaldsWiFi> you're making me want to work on my C stuff now
00:20 < McDonaldsWiFi> lol
00:20 < McDonaldsWiFi> I've been using gcc from cygwin and its worked great
00:20 < agris> I've been playing around trying to learn from some wiki sites
00:21 < McDonaldsWiFi> I have some PDFs I can upload for you if you want
00:21 < McDonaldsWiFi> PDF books
00:21 < agris> starting to learn to printf variables like __TIME__ and cleaning your code by defining your functions before main()
00:21 < agris> but i'm still hopelessly green currently
00:21 < agris> I would love that McDonaldsWiFi
00:21 < sideup66> Sup McDonaldsWiFi
00:21 < agris> thank you
00:22 < sideup66> How's everything man
00:22 < sideup66> Haven't spoke in a minute
00:22 < McDonaldsWiFi> I'm actually in the process of moving a bunch of my data to my home lab, once its done moving ill upload it to google drive
00:22 < sideup66> Sell it to google? :P
00:22 < McDonaldsWiFi> xD
00:22 < McDonaldsWiFi> yeah man I havn't had much time for IRC at work
00:22 < McDonaldsWiFi> its been 100% nuts
00:23 < sideup66> I hear you, same here, work is busy alot
00:23 < McDonaldsWiFi> I get a new IT Manager a week from tomorrow, maybe she will approve me getting a part time tech or something
00:23 < McDonaldsWiFi> sideup66: I had an interview at my #1 pick last week
00:23 < sideup66> Oh nice man, hope you get it
00:24 < McDonaldsWiFi> me too, it went okay
00:24 < McDonaldsWiFi> it was their firs ttime hiring another sysadmin I think. Dude was nice
00:24 < McDonaldsWiFi> but slightly awkward
00:24 < McDonaldsWiFi> so I was kinda awkward, so I feel like it wasn't a super strong interview... oh well. I'll find out on Wednesday I think
00:26 < agris> so i wanted to ask, why do people say programming in C is so hard? one of the things people bring up a lot is 'you have to manage your own memory'. I don't see how that is particularly hard if your taking an MVP approach to programming
00:27 < agris> besides doesn't OpenBSD provide some kind of proper memory management for your C programs?
00:27 < sideup66> Nice man, hope you get it mang
00:27 < sideup66> I just had a suedo mid year
00:27 < sideup66> And boss was almost giving me an ovation
00:29 < agris> Ph, update on the GNU Cash thing, it actually still compiles fine. for some reason when you set +nls on libboost it automatically sets -python for no particular reason. it an be statically reset with a +python again and still work fine
00:30 < agris> i love how snappy programs are when you disable all the features except the ones you actually need are
00:36 < Hunterkll> agris, it's so easy to manage your memory /wrong/
00:36 < Hunterkll> and thus, linux kernel vulnerabilities are born
00:37 < agris> can you elaborate on that?
00:38 < rhqq> let me guess, accessing memory of other process
00:41 < agris>  /dev/shm?
00:41 < McDonaldsWiFi> the memory management is kind of the fun part...
00:41 < McDonaldsWiFi> LOL
00:42 < agris> or unix sockets?
00:42 < McDonaldsWiFi>  /s
01:06 < m4221> Boo
01:13 < sideup66> God dammit
01:13 < sideup66> That fucking server two Canadian knuckleheads had me touch Friday night is flapping
01:17 < rootsudo> I got serious about getting a job
01:17 < rootsudo> I now have 4 jobs
01:17 < rootsudo> fuck
01:27 <@cryptic1> evening
01:27  * m4221 ties up cryptic1 
01:27 <@cryptic1> not again
01:27 < m4221> cryptic1: +o now
01:28 < m4221> cryptic1: err.... +v now
01:29 < rootsudo> what happens to this channel on the weekend
01:29 < rootsudo> m4221 does kinky stuff to other sysadmins
01:29  * rootsudo imagines some sort of SAW scenario
01:34 < precise> m4221: Is cryptic1 still tied up?
01:34 < sideup66> cryptic1: me with work right now https://www.google.com/amp/devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/149313321840/successfully-executing-unknown-commands-on/amp
01:34  * precise pokes cryptic1 
01:36 < agris> You guys hear about the facebook app requesting superuser access?
01:38 < agris> rootsudo, don't let m4221 finger my host
01:38 < rootsudo> agris you dont trust fb
01:38 < jay-ros> good morning all
01:38 < agris> rootsudo, https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/the-facebook-android-app-is-asking-for-superuser-privileges-and-users-are-freaking-out/
01:39 <@cryptic1> sideup66, lol
01:40 < agris> sideup66, that guy is totally safe besides the fall hazard. the lines he is currently on are just coax and fiber, not power. power lines are further up
01:41 < agris> you can tell from the terminal box he's standing on
01:41 < sideup66> Good to know lol
01:43 < Hunterkll> is this what motivation feels like?
01:43 < Hunterkll> i'm actually logging in to get shit done when i said i would
01:43 < Jekotia> Hunterkll: Yet here you are, in IRC, not getting shit done.
01:44 < rootsudo> Hunterkll drugs are nice
01:44 < Hunterkll> Jekotia, actually this computer's just downloading a new build
01:45 < Hunterkll> it's failed build upgrades 3 times in a row
01:45 < Hunterkll> *shrug*
01:45 < Hunterkll> each shot takes about 30-50 minutes to run
01:45 < Hunterkll> time to see what emails i've missed since 5PM friday
01:45 < Hunterkll> aaaand absolutely nothing important
01:48 < Jekotia> agris: All I can think when reading that facebook root article is "what idiots are rooting their phones when an app asking for it causes panic?" Root is NOT for the layman :|
01:51 < Jekotia> It reminds me of one of my co-workers... root access is part of his job. There's things that he NEEDS to use it for, but he's terrified of doing anything without someone there to say "that looks good" before he hits enter
01:52 < Jekotia> Even when he's running a god damn script built to ensure you can't make a mistake
01:52 < Jekotia> :|
01:52 < jay-ros> jekotia - that's always the factor for new starters (I've got that with the new guy now) - if they're not confident in their work they hesitate
01:53 < rootsudo> well
01:53 < jay-ros> is he equal-levelled with you, or junior?
01:53 < rootsudo> baby gotta break stuff
01:53 < rootsudo> baby gotta learn
01:53 < rootsudo> baby gotta take down production
01:53 < jay-ros> measure twice, cut once
01:53 < agris> everyone takes down prod at least ounce
01:53 < Hunterkll> rootsudo, i rebooted all of production once... without my laptop, while i was out of the country
01:53 < rootsudo> noting like a nice first week
01:53 < Hunterkll> :D
01:54 < rootsudo> Hunterkll did you come back to a hero's welcome
01:54 < Hunterkll> i came back and blamed it on the desktop team
01:54 < rootsudo> I need to get my MCSA and my AWS Cert :(
01:54 < rootsudo> Hunterkll even better if you can clear logs or have shared creds
01:54 < Jekotia> jay-ros: He's been in this job for ~3 years now
01:55 < jay-ros> Jekotia - a friendly word to management to push him when its appropriate might not be the worst approach
01:55 < jay-ros> or straight up tell him... if you've got the relationship there
01:55 < rootsudo> I love Star Trek DS9
01:55 < rootsudo> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jW5weeu3kQ
01:55 < jay-ros> I'd love to have a peer in the office at my level to ceck my work
01:55 < rootsudo> jay-ros i read cock
01:55 < Hunterkll> rootsudo, neither!
01:55 < Jekotia> rootsudo: Same (the misread)
01:56 < agris> gotta get your work cecked
01:56 < Hunterkll> rootsudo, i had to deploy a security agent to alll prod servers. it was the same config file & exe as the one going out to user machines.... so I redeployed the desktop package
01:56 < Hunterkll> little did we know
01:56 < agris> full time cecker
01:56 < Hunterkll> desktop had not been following all the guidelines the SCCM gods laid out to them
01:56 < rootsudo> I start a job
01:56 < rootsudo> in the office Tuesday
01:56 < Hunterkll> so 14 days after installation, it rebooted the machine it was installed on
01:56 < rootsudo> I don't want to do any work
01:56 < Hunterkll> force reboot, ignore maint windows, etc
01:56 < rootsudo> I don't want to say hi or hello
01:56 < rootsudo> and have to prove myself
01:56 < Hunterkll> they changed the reboot exit code handling setting on the installation type
01:57  * rootsudo has the shitty job of o365 architect
01:57 < Hunterkll> so i blamed desktop for not following proper practices and instituted a new edict
01:57 < Jekotia> The one thing I hate about timeing things with my job, is that from an impact standpoint, friday is always the best option. The majority of staff finish at noon on Friday, so things going wrong isn't so bad
01:57 < rootsudo> emphasis on sharepoint, workflow and process automation
01:57 < Hunterkll> any server software packages must be re-created by myself or the other SCCM admin
01:57 < Hunterkll> :D
01:57 < agris> Windows has an update, would you like to rebbot?
01:57 < Jekotia> The problem is when something goes wrong that isn't evident right away
01:57 < Hunterkll> agris, no, snooze and remind me in 3 days
01:57 < rootsudo> Hunterkll sad, but Ive used help desk as scapegoats too
01:57 < Jekotia> HELLO MONDAY MORNING EMERGENCY CALLS
01:57 < Hunterkll> rootsudo, the setting they changed from *default* is one i can't ever FATHOM changing
01:57 < Hunterkll> so
01:57 < rootsudo> they're just pawns for our games
01:57 < jay-ros> Hunterkll - it's the old adage 'two guys in africa are at a campfire and hear a lion roar, one tightens his shoes... the other asks "are you going to outrun a lion" the other responds "no, just you"
01:58 < jay-ros> brb rebooting and meeting
01:58 < Hunterkll> lol
01:58 < agris> Hunterkll, ok i'll ask you again in 5 minutes, and i'll blank out all the other windows until you give me an answer again
01:58 < rootsudo> oh fuck I forgot
01:58 < Hunterkll> agris, but that's not how it works. :)
01:58 < nojeffrey> Any CCNP of higher available for some consulting work in Melb, Aus? MST related
01:58 < rootsudo> I have a google interview tomorrow
01:58 < rootsudo> i am surprised the recruiter is working monday
01:58 < Hunterkll> agris, I actually just hit the 3 day snooze on the reminder
01:58 < Hunterkll> which i last hit ... 3 days ago
01:58  * rootsudo never updated his LI that he left MSFT
01:58 < Hunterkll> i'm doing it manually now
01:59  * rootsudo keeps getting companies trying to snipe me from MSFT
01:59 < Hunterkll> rootsudo, lul
01:59 < agris> Hunterkll, you will reboot sooner or later. mark my words. i will make you
01:59 < Hunterkll> agris, too bad that a properly configured windows installation doesn't do that ;)
01:59 < rootsudo> would I work for Google
01:59 < rootsudo> probably I want it on my resume so it's fancy fancy
01:59 < Hunterkll> rootsudo, just to add a resume checkmark
01:59 < Hunterkll> yea
01:59 < agris> and it will break something when i come back up
01:59 < Hunterkll> agris, hasn't happened to me and my properly configured installations in over 3 years
01:59 < rootsudo> but lying is wrong :( but I didn't apply
01:59 < Hunterkll> :)
02:00 < Hunterkll> agris, i have had surprise reboots with RHEL before though
02:00 < Hunterkll> >_X
02:00 < Hunterkll> and kernel bugs requiring developer intervention from redhat too
02:00 < rootsudo> Hunterkll that's great
02:00 < Hunterkll> thaat was fun
02:00 < rootsudo> document the bugs and publicize them on medium
02:00 < agris> Hunterkll, what about Debian?
02:00 < rootsudo> let them run free
02:00 < rootsudo> run free bugs
02:01 < Hunterkll> agris, I wouldn't run debian in production to save my life unless I had a team of linux developers with at least two skilled in kernel work
02:01 < rootsudo> Hunterkll that's overkill
02:01 < Hunterkll> well, i mean, right now we have 6 llinux admins with two skilled in kernel work
02:01 < rootsudo> holy fuck
02:01 < Hunterkll> (me and the team lead)
02:01 < Hunterkll> rootsudo, we are a F100 company....
02:01 < rootsudo> people really employ linux admins that act as god
02:01 < rootsudo> Hunterkll ah, ok
02:01 < Hunterkll> formerly F500
02:01 < Hunterkll> but still
02:01 < Hunterkll> we've bounced from F100 to F500 thorugh splits and M&A
02:01 < Hunterkll> rootsudo, we're both not in the kernel game anymore either
02:02 < agris> make sure your god Linux admins have a beard length of at least 4 inches then
02:02 < Hunterkll> we just know what the fuck is going on, who to blame immediately, and how to escalate shit through redhat to make them get our shit fixed fast
02:02 < Hunterkll> we don't have enough time
02:02 < Hunterkll> agris, neither of us are overweight or have beards
02:02 < agris> the longer the better
02:02 < Hunterkll> actually, my team lead redid a lot of the SCSI underpinnings in the kernel like a decade or so ago
02:02 < Hunterkll> lol
02:02 < agris> people who have root must also have sandles
02:03 < Hunterkll> a lot of his work was re-used when they switched up the handling of drives
02:03 < agris> lol
02:03 < Hunterkll> ah, the migration from hda to sda :P
02:03 < matjam> fridge was so disgusting just spent 20 minutes tossing out half of it
02:03 < Hunterkll> I just did a shitload of embedded work
02:03 < Hunterkll> I still haven't upstreamed half of my code, but it's a moot point anyway
02:03 < Hunterkll> no one cares about 2.6.18 running on a 206mhz armv7 chip with 32MB ram anymore
02:03 < Hunterkll> :P
02:03 < Hunterkll> anyone using those devices back when it was relevant was stilll on 2.4 anyway
02:04 < Hunterkll> RIP handhelds.org
02:04 < Hunterkll> RIP Compaq's Cambridge Research Labs
02:04 < agris> Hunterkll, your doing it wrong then.
02:05 < Hunterkll> agris, I have repos that haven't seen a commit since 2007/2008
02:05 < Hunterkll> lol
02:05 < Hunterkll> most of my shit's still in local CVS server
02:05 < agris> You have to make beards and sandles a mandatory recruitment requirement
02:05 < Hunterkll> my android build server is stuck on 4.0.1 because of how disgusted i got with the platform
02:05 < Hunterkll> etc
02:05 < Hunterkll> lol
02:05 < Hunterkll> oh
02:05 < Hunterkll> that
02:05 < Hunterkll> nahhhhhh
02:05 < Hunterkll> then i'd be out of a job
02:05 < Hunterkll> i mean i'm already cheating by also being a Solaris admin
02:05 < Hunterkll> without a beard and being over 60
02:05 < agris> IMPOSTER!
02:05 < rootsudo> Hunterkll sounds like you live the neckbeard life
02:06 < Hunterkll> agris, i'm using sun hardware as a foot rest
02:06 < Hunterkll> :)
02:06 < rootsudo> who the fuck still runs solaris though
02:06 < rootsudo> do you have a sco server there
02:06 < rootsudo> wow you do
02:06 < Hunterkll> ... probably on a project
02:06 < Hunterkll> rootsudo, the largest SCO deployment i've seen is McDonalds
02:06 < rootsudo> At this point I don't know whether to be amazed or disgusted
02:06 < Hunterkll> they also have a massive Tandem NSK deployment (now HP NSK/NonStop)
02:06 < rootsudo> Hunterkll BMW also ran SCO in every dealership across Europe, USA and Africa
02:06 < rootsudo> That was fun
02:06 < Hunterkll> McDs stilll DOES
02:06 < agris> yeah, suing your own customers really works out in the long run
02:06 < rootsudo> the fuck for what Hunterkll
02:07 < rootsudo> not for it's point of sale
02:07 < Hunterkll> back office business function
02:07 < rootsudo> is it for it's point of sale?
02:07 < Hunterkll> it's now run in VMware Server *2*
02:07 < Hunterkll> in a VM with 64MB ram
02:07 < rootsudo> hahahahahahaha
02:07 < Hunterkll> on Server 2003
02:07 < rootsudo> that's hilarious
02:07 < Hunterkll> when i left in 2013/2014
02:07 < rootsudo> and scary
02:07 < Hunterkll> they were trialing server 2008
02:07 < Hunterkll> in europe
02:07 < rootsudo> so you're saying
02:07 < Hunterkll> not R2
02:07 < rootsudo> you can do a vm escape and really fuck up mcd
02:07 < Hunterkll> rootsudo, sure, if you can get into an isolated, no-internet vllan
02:07 < Hunterkll> yes
02:07 < rootsudo> interesting I'm sure the networking rules must be solid but if you have control of a
02:07 < rootsudo> see you're reading my mind
02:08 < Hunterkll> i'm not saying you should investigate the wayport device
02:08 < Hunterkll> i'm just saying you shouldnt
02:08 < rootsudo> does every resto have access?
02:08 < Hunterkll> rootsudo, most data transmission is done via dialup
02:08 < Hunterkll> that's why i stilll have new in box USR 56k modems in my basement
02:08 < Hunterkll> :)
02:08 < Hunterkll> genuine new
02:08 < Hunterkll> not old stock
02:08 < agris> the USR543C?
02:08 < Hunterkll> the stallwart black serial ones too, not USB ones
02:08 < rootsudo> that is interesting
02:09 < agris> 543 something C
02:09 < rootsudo> so you can litereally beige box a fucking mcdonald
02:09 < rootsudo> grab it's initial session init
02:09 < Hunterkll> nope
02:09 < Hunterkll> encrypted
02:09 < rootsudo> aw
02:09 < agris> those were some crazy good dialin modems
02:09 < Hunterkll> i can dial in to each store
02:09 < Hunterkll> from a store terminal
02:09 < Hunterkll> and log in yes
02:09 < agris> you could even offload login to the modem itself
02:09 < Hunterkll> agris, 5686G
02:09 < Hunterkll> https://www.usr.com/products/56k-dialup-modem/usr5686g/
02:09 < rootsudo> does it verify ANI via PSTN?
02:09 < Hunterkll> baahgahahahahahahaha
02:09 < rootsudo> or does it assume any ANI displayed is lefit and allow
02:09 < rootsudo> legit*
02:09 < agris> i have the 3453C
02:09 < Hunterkll> rootsudo, for fucks sake we called the core mainframe Tandem for a reason
02:10 < Hunterkll> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tandem_Computers
02:10  * rootsudo is also confused 
02:10 < rootsudo> fuck I know alot abotu dial up networking
02:10 < agris> https://www.usr.com/products/56k-dialup-modem/usr3453c
02:10 < Hunterkll> lol
02:10 < rootsudo> why do I know this
02:10 < rootsudo> I think it was just the AOL days
02:10 < Hunterkll> rootsudo, it's running on HP Itanium integrity hardware these days, but we still lcall it tandem
02:10 < Hunterkll> nonstop is a hell of a system
02:10 < Hunterkll> i used to have access to the payroll processing programs for our region
02:11 < Hunterkll> >_>
02:11 < rootsudo> Hunterkll did you add yourself as a ghost employee and pay yourself
02:11 < Hunterkll> I had a lot of access i shouldn't have had
02:11 < Hunterkll> no
02:11 < rootsudo> that's the dream right there
02:11 < Hunterkll> lol
02:11 < Hunterkll> I had FO access to the entire region too
02:11 < Hunterkll> which means i could approve raises on hourly employees...
02:11 < Hunterkll> and change prices
02:11 < rootsudo> I really wonder how many people are ghost employees
02:11 < Hunterkll> and pretty much do anything
02:11  * rootsudo was for a while w/ MSFT
02:11 < rootsudo> though it was not my fault
02:11 < Hunterkll> lol
02:12 < rootsudo> but oversight is interesting, there was this amazing story
02:12 < rootsudo> let me see if I can find it.... it's a decade old now
02:13 < agris> http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/taoup/cover.png
02:13 < agris> see a told you beards are mandatory
02:13 < Hunterkll> rootsudo, well hold it in reserve
02:13 < Hunterkll> this system's about to bounce
02:14 < Hunterkll> agris, that's okay
02:14 < Hunterkll> i have a manual around here somewhere for MOTIF programming i think
02:14 < Hunterkll> you'll never guess the author
02:14 < rootsudo> Hunterkll https://github.com/bibanon/bibanon/wiki/American-Dream one version
02:14 < rootsudo> another version was similar enoug
02:14 < agris> isn't that SGI's graphical framework?
02:15 < Hunterkll> MOTIF? nooooo
02:15 < agris> but it was used on AGI right?
02:15 < agris> *SGI
02:16 < Hunterkll> agris, it was the toolkit to build CDE for all unix systems
02:16 < Hunterkll> i'm sure SGI may have used some of it
02:16 < Hunterkll> but they didn't use CDE
02:16 < Hunterkll> it was a collab between DEC and HP
02:16 < Hunterkll> and others
02:16 < agris> oh yeah, getting your decwet on decnet
02:17 < rootsudo> Hunterkll how old are you
02:17  * rootsudo questions his life, hearing DEC and SCO as topics of conversation
02:17 < Hunterkll> old enough mentally that when i discovered masturbation i was already a pedophile
02:19 < rootsudo> Hunterkll I don't what
02:22 < Hunterkll> agris, ... in my search for a copy of this book i've stumbled into ftp.sgi.com ....
02:22 < Hunterkll> i don't know where my physical copy is
02:23 < Church-> SCO... ah good old SCO
02:24 < agris> huh, there are USENET archives on that ftp server
02:24 < Church-> Sup fools. Watcha up to?
02:24 < agris> as well as a copy of gcc and bind9
02:25 < agris> motifzone
02:25 < Hunterkll> lol
02:25 < rootsudo> Church- I'm wondering about life
02:25 < Hunterkll> motif was in every unix
02:25 < rootsudo> What makes life worth living
02:25 < rootsudo> is it the people, the distractions, the games.
02:25 < Church-> rootsudo: Well go run a game of life. And you'll have the answer.
02:25 < Church-> Here
02:25 < rootsudo> The lies?
02:26 < Church-> https://bitstorm.org/gameoflife/
02:26 < Church-> Hunterkll: Watcha up to?
02:26 < Church-> rootsudo: But in all seriousness, you have to define that yourself.
02:27 < Church-> And that's something beautiful when you think about it. In a general sense we are the captains of our own fate. We decide the reason for which we want to live.
02:28 < Hunterkll> uhoh
02:28 < Hunterkll> someone at virginia tech got hacked
02:28 < Hunterkll> http://jshih11.cs.cloud.vt.edu/osf-motif-programming-guide-2-0.pdf
02:28 < Hunterkll> that's not what i wanted...
02:28 < rootsudo> Church- yeah
02:28 < Hunterkll> and they're in the CS department too
02:28 < rootsudo> I know.
02:28 < Hunterkll> tut tut
02:29 < agris> OH NO! Hackers in da mainframe@
02:29 < agris> !
02:29 < voidstar> quick cat /dev/urandom
02:30 < agris> cat /dev/urandom >>/dev/kmem
02:30  * Church- goes back to his crypto'ing
02:31 < Hunterkll> agris, anyway, it was an OSF/Motif programming book that i can't find now, but one of the authors was Jeffrey Snover
02:31 < Hunterkll> otherwise known as the guy who made powershell
02:31 < Hunterkll> :p
02:31 < agris> really?
02:31 < Hunterkll> oh yes
02:31 < agris> now that is odd
02:31 < Hunterkll> agris, Dave Cutler created VMS, and he also created Windows NT
02:31 < Hunterkll> it's not that odd
02:31 < Hunterkll> balmer actually had to *beg* cutller in person at his house to join MS
02:31 < Hunterkll> loll
02:32 < agris> COME ON!!! YEAH!!!!
02:33 < Hunterkll> agris, you'd be surprised how much UNIX influence is in microsoft
02:33 < agris> https://hooktube.com/watch?v=B7vLcEc-iqs
02:33 < Hunterkll> agris, did you know both \ and / work as path separaters in windows and dos ?
02:33 < agris> Hunterkll, Microsoft even sold UNIX at one point yes? Xenix?
02:33 < Hunterkll> yes
02:33 < Hunterkll> agris, windows 95's CD was mastered on Xenix
02:33 < Hunterkll> ;)
02:34 < rootsudo> I'm going to give my mentor manager at my old job a red stapler
02:34 < Hunterkll> their internal email system also ran on it until about '95 or so
02:34 < rootsudo> or is that just a fuck you
02:34  * rootsudo doesn't know
02:36 < agris> https://hooktube.com/watch?v=rRm0NDo1CiY
02:36 < agris> ^ I remember when i first saw this
02:36 < Hunterkll> lol
02:42 < agris> https://hooktube.com/watch?v=V7PYQCXdX3A
02:50 < rpifan> sigh
02:50 < rpifan> i was bored trying to find dirt on the CTO
02:50 < rpifan> instead i find out
02:50 < Hunterkll>  loll
02:50 < rpifan> he placed number 4 on the iron man
02:51 < Hunterkll> found your layoff papers?
02:51 < rpifan> in 2010
02:51 < Hunterkll> lol oh
02:51 < rpifan> and runs all kinds of races and shit
02:51 < rpifan> sigh
02:51 < rpifan> there must be some dirt
02:51 < rpifan> somewhere
02:51 < rpifan> he was cio of overstock for 13 years
02:52 < rpifan> though he was walking to work the otherday and almost rammed into me in my bike
02:52 < rpifan> so i resent that
02:55 < agris> did you know you can print directly from vim?
02:55 < rpifan> i did not
02:55 < rpifan> so there has to be dirt on this man
02:56 < rpifan> he cant be a good hard working american
02:56 < rpifan> maybe he doing drugs
02:56 < rpifan> to keep up his pace
02:56 < agris> :hardcopy command automatically connects to CupsD
02:56 < Hunterkll> agris, and for people who use vi instead of vim, you can just run a shell command to pipe the saved file to lpr too :p
03:08 < nohusuro> o7 morning
03:08 < rpifan> hi
03:09 < agris> Gentoo looks like it will be getting full LibreSSL support pretty soon
03:10 < agris> seems like every other day to every day a dependent bug to #561854 gets switched to RESOLVED
03:10 < rpifan> gentoo is not great
03:10 < agris> there are now only 39 bugs left to go
03:11 < agris> rpifan, depends on your needs. Gentoo is the best solution for a lot of use cases and people (but not everyone and everything). Regardless that is besides the point
03:12 < agris> point is completely replacing OpenSSL with LibreSSL globally will soon be a thing and is moving along very fast
03:13 < agris> hell, even patching in LibreSSL for libeXosip is being worked on
03:21 < jay-ros> Howdy again :)
03:21 < agris> howdy ho!
03:23 < rpifan> h
03:28 < jay-ros> Hey all - does anyone have a quick "yeah do this" for this one: https://pasteboard.co/HnchEy8.png
03:29 < rpifan> th fucck is that
03:29 < varesa> auth required/no auth required - to what?
03:29 < agris> You could add different logic per incoming IP address, I think Kerberous has some built in facilities for doing that
03:29 < jay-ros> well, 2fa authentication if one of the head office staff were remote
03:29 <+NinjaStyle> jay-ros: that was super unclear
03:30 < jay-ros> Sorry, was typing clarification
03:30 < jay-ros> I'm trying to work out if its possible to say "if you have a remote site, you need 2fa. If you don't have 2fa set up, you can't log in remotely"
03:30 < agris> usually the net-admin segments or subnets the network(s) per building or purpose. You should send a email to the netadmin asking
03:31 < jay-ros> agris: do you mean "the person responsible for network administration"?
03:31 <+NinjaStyle> jay-ros: why not always require 2fa for remote login
03:31 < agris> jay-ros, yes
03:31 <+NinjaStyle> Like over vpn
03:31 < McDonaldsWiFi> man talk about good luck kind of
03:31 < McDonaldsWiFi> I mirrored my homelab data drive finally
03:32 < jay-ros> NinjaStyle: we've got internal managed MPLS network, but I'm trying to restrict people logging in from outside of the main offices unless I say so, but I also have users that work on those locations in a separate business
03:32 < McDonaldsWiFi> orignal drive dies an hour later
03:32 < jay-ros> that log into the same domain
03:32 < jay-ros> agris: that's me as well. Small team.
03:33 < jay-ros> I'm trying to work out what would give me tiered 'internal' (different subnet, same managed network) access from physical locations
03:34 <+NinjaStyle> How are you doing 2fa?
03:34 <+NinjaStyle> I think u can do that with Duo
03:34 < jay-ros> Ninjastyle - that's the big question there- Windows login authetication? File access?
03:35 < jay-ros> I've got a high-level 'model', and looking for options that fit that model. If it's file access or login access or a login popup when new environmentals are picked up in the windows environment
03:35 <+NinjaStyle> Well 2fa is tricky in windows environments
03:36 < genr8_> kerberos and RADIUS server
03:36 < Sousapro> NinjaStyle: smart card + pin
03:36 < agris> send that person an email asking if he/she has already implemented a way to differentiate who is coming from what branch
03:36 < agris> sorry, i seem to have dropped out for a second there
03:36 < jay-ros> agris: To: Jay-Ros From:Jay-Ros "hey, do you have an implementation for X"
03:37 <+NinjaStyle> I've never seen 2fa over smb
03:37 <+NinjaStyle> For example
03:38 < jay-ros> I've got subnets and tx/rx I can manage it from. NinjaStyle: I can do it from network access level as well, all network connectivity blocked from X location
03:38 < Sousapro> I mean, doesn't smart card plus pin count?
03:38 < agris> jay-ros, just use Xorg?
03:38 <+NinjaStyle> Sousapro: I don't think that can be implemented with ntlm
03:38 < jay-ros> agris: I'll look into that one, also Duo... RADIUS/kerberos, anything else I can take a squizz at?
03:38 < rpifan> xord is deprecated
03:39 <+NinjaStyle> Duo and RSA secureid
03:39 < jay-ros> Sousapro - it's not so much the 'security' as the 'lockdown'. I don't care if it's a pin or a simple password, something I can not give to particular people. Even if I straight up block users from remote access in locations with some policy
03:39 <+NinjaStyle> But again, if you have smb open I'm not aware of a way to enforce 2fa
03:39 < genr8_> I Found this for win 1703 + https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security/identity-protection/hello-for-business/hello-cert-trust-deploy-mfa
03:40 < packeteer> tech question… how far should one subnet their aws infra? /24, /26 or even /28? our environment is multple small services, and I'm wanting some segregation
03:40 < jay-ros> a perfect environment would be everything except citrix connectivity locked down remotely for everyone except a particular group
03:40 < agris> jay-ros, oh i meant adding authentication logic as in if connection is coming from 10.10.10.0/24 or 10.10.20.0/24 require 2fa and passwd, if connection coming from 10.10.30.0/24 require passwd only, if coming from 10.10.40 always reject, if else reject
03:41 < jay-ros> agris: nice. I'm exploring options at the moment
03:41 < agris> you can do that with PAM, but you didn't specify what you were using at all. just a conceptual problem from your linked graphic
03:41 < jay-ros> agrs: I'd need to add 'unless you're <this group>
03:43 < jay-ros> sorry agris - I'm all windows. Managed network site-to-site... so 192.168.100.0/24 > 192.168.100.255 > <managed router> 170.200.10.1 > 170.200.18.1 > 192.168.105.255 > 192.168.105.0/24
03:43 < agris> for example i setup PAM on my system to automatically unlock a keyring agent with the passed passed on login. This way the password is only stored in memory during the login and can still be authed against hashed and salted database
03:43 < Sousapro> I mean, you can force smart card to be present along with the pin to get a token on an AD domain
03:44 < Sousapro> You can literally tell it password not accepted without the card
03:44 <+NinjaStyle> For interactive login
03:44 < Sousapro> NinjaStyle: sure, which gives it a token
03:44 < jay-ros> Sousapro - I'm not so much looking at the authentication itself, but location-based lockdown
03:44 < agris> jay-ros, oh, i'm not an expert in Windows but i think you can still have a *nix domain controller and use PAM rules but interact with windows machines over ldap and kerberous
03:45 < Sousapro> agris: that sounds very painful
03:45 < jay-ros> Sousapro - I'm almost in a 'if it fits, I sits' scenario. If I need to pay to get someone to come in and configure it for $$$ it's still viable
03:45 < agris> yeah depends on how large your needs are
03:45 <+NinjaStyle> jay-ros: call Duo
03:46 < Sousapro> jay-ros: I know Azure AD will do the thing but if all you need is location based access, ++ duo
03:46 < agris> you know who to call
03:46 < jay-ros> Sweet, i'll jump on them and give them a rundown of what I'm looking for :)
03:46 < Sousapro> Not to say that smart card access won't make your network way more secure
03:46 < agris> bug-busters
03:47 < fraser> We're implementing 2FA for a client, just using mobile auth
03:47 < Sousapro> jay-ros: is this to prevent people from getting access to internal resources off site?
03:48 < jay-ros> Sousapro - our business has an overarching business, and sub businesses (asset management company)
03:48 < Sousapro> VPN + L3 subnet filtering
03:49 < jay-ros> and there's no reason our internal business staff should be able to access any resources remote working, but because it's under the 'blob' infrastructure, I'm looking to lock down remote access
03:49 < jay-ros> one of our businesses pumps wifi to public locations, so I'm restricting THEM accessing what they can access outside of main offices
03:50 < jay-ros> but we also have 'main business' staff who go to remote sites, so I can't lock them down.
03:50 < jay-ros> The 'sub business' staff need to access their stuff as-per-usual, so I want to have none of this authentication on their environment
03:51 < jay-ros> so I'm trying to specifically restrict a large group of users accessing their environment (except citrix, which is securely locked down) from those remote sites, so there's the deterrent from logging in remotely to work (peer-unmonitored)
03:52 <+NinjaStyle> I think a VPN is a simpler and more complete solution
03:52 < jay-ros> The VPN is in place for these locations, they can domain-login from these public locations already
03:53 <+NinjaStyle> Site to site or each user logs in?
03:53 < jay-ros> VPN as in 'managed WAN'
03:53 < jay-ros> I could walk my PC to one of those offices, connect it to the wifi, and keep working as-per-usual
03:54 < agris> Does anyone have or know of an archive of Sabrina Online?
03:54 < jay-ros> but I'd like it to pop up and say either "you can't log in from here" or "what's your additional authentication password?"; if I don't have 2fa, I can't join the domain/access fils
03:54 < jay-ros> they have to call me, and I approve/reject them a 2fa login
03:54 <+NinjaStyle> Yeah I think as far as applying ACLs are requiring 2fa per user, it'd be easier to do that with a VPN that requires the user to auth with 2fa
03:58 < jay-ros> Righto. Thanks for everyone's help - it's weird one I know.
03:59 < jay-ros> The joys of having multiple businesses with multiple rules *:(
03:59 <@JollyRgrs> so is it that TNT/whoever pay "SO LARGE AN AMOUNT" for NBA playoffs... or does NBC/CBS/ABC/ESPN just not GAF b/c there aren't enough viewers to make it worthwhile vs what they normally show at that time?
04:22 <+NinjaStyle> JollyRgrs: I thinks a business decision of cost vs advertising payoff relative to regular programming
04:22 <+NinjaStyle> And who is willing to take the tightest margin
04:44 < rootsudo> Maxtrix is a great movie
04:46 < rpifan> maxtrix?
04:46 < rpifan> is there a mintrix
04:49 <+NinjaStyle> boop
04:50 <@cryptic1> hey NinjaStyle
04:50 <+NinjaStyle> cryptic1
04:50 <@cryptic1> hows you doing?
04:50 <@cryptic1> how not hows
04:51 <+NinjaStyle> busy
05:09 < enix> Sup
05:15 < jay-ros> hi enix
05:17 < enix> jay-ros: you have lost your capitalization
05:17 < enix> Is everything okay?
05:18 < jay-ros>  oh enix, I did something huge
05:18 <+NinjaStyle> gross
05:18 < jay-ros> my pc was being problematic, with windows install ghosts from testing during the meltdown period
05:18 < jay-ros> ...so i swapped it for a freshie
05:19 < jay-ros> NinjaStyle, jealousy is a cruel mistress ;) you're still my fav, babe
05:19 <+NinjaStyle> ty
05:20 < enix> fresh pc or fresh image
05:21 < jay-ros> both!
05:21 < rpifan> ppl hacking into freenode agin
05:22 <+NinjaStyle> s/hacking/spamming
05:22 < rpifan> meh
05:22 < rpifan> they be messing around
05:22 < jay-ros> I got the new guy to setup a new image for SCCM, inject drivers for  prodesk 400 g3, tossed in another 8gb ram, and I'm looking at another 250GB ssd to go alongside the nvme one on this new machine
05:22 < aName> Is there a standalone iDRAC6 console app I can use? For windows?
05:22 < aName> The java one... doesn't work
05:23 < jay-ros> aName - what's your bug for the idrac?
05:23 < jay-ros> if you're in chrome you can boot it using ietab chrome install
05:24 < aName> Oh, I can get the jlnp to launch
05:24 < aName> But then it can't connect
05:25 < jay-ros> Ah, try jumping into the security on your java config, add the IP address maybe?
05:25 < jay-ros> There's an old thing I used to use called open manage
05:25 < jay-ros> but it was about as craptastic as the dracs themselves
05:31 < jay-ros> enix: I convinced my boss to get a new pc too, and advised the new guy to install desktop stripper on his computer
05:32 < jay-ros> ...does it still exist?
05:33 < rpifan> whats desktop stripper
05:34 <+NinjaStyle> everything
05:35 < rpifan> do u feed it ones?
05:42 < agris> it feels so weird loading the mouse driver without Xorg
05:42 < aName> And the ones, are they cold?
05:42 < aName> Because a one that is not cold is scarcely a one at all.
05:42 < agris> using a mouse in UNIX without a display server, right on the framebuffer
05:43 < agris> ro
05:48 < agris> what's the best package manager for slackware?
05:48 < agris> should i just go with slackpkg?
05:49 < agris> oh, wrong chatroom
05:49 < agris> nvm
05:53 < enix> I mean... it's not exactly the wrong chatroom for that discussion
05:53 < enix> but then again, most people here are too busy with microsofts cock in their mouth like Hunterkll
05:53 < Hunterkll> excuse me?
05:53 < Hunterkll> lol
05:54 < Hunterkll> 80% of my VMs in my home environment are non-microsoft
05:54 < Hunterkll> :P
05:54 <@JollyRgrs> Hunterkll: tbh, i'm mildly shocked
05:54 < Hunterkll> plus, how can you be a microsoft cocksucker when you've got screenshots in your past like this https://i.imgur.com/PjZyNuU.png
05:54 < Hunterkll> from when you were 15
05:54 < Hunterkll> :o
05:54 <@JollyRgrs> i know how many (minimum) you have of MSFT servers
05:55 <@JollyRgrs> but then again... you prob jsut have THAT MANY MORE VMs
05:55 < Hunterkll> JollyRgrs,  I only have about 20 windows server VMs right now
05:55 < Hunterkll> I have more than 70 solaris ones
05:55 <@JollyRgrs> i was gonna guess 15
05:55 < Hunterkll> well, okay, maybe like 35 windows server VMs
05:55 < Hunterkll> but still
05:55 < Hunterkll> i forgot about the ones in remote datacenters under site-site link
05:56 < enix> Hunterkll: there's no way Police was worst than you
05:56 < Hunterkll> enix, there's a difference between sucking microsoft's dick and being platform agnostic ;)
05:56 < Hunterkll> JollyRgrs, I have about 40 linux ones, mostly RHEL
05:56 < Hunterkll> lol
05:56 < Hunterkll> RHEL and SuSE
05:56 < Hunterkll> and this isn't counting physical
05:57 < Hunterkll> with physical we get more solaris, AIX, and some other oddities like SCO
05:57 < Hunterkll> NeXTstep, HP-UX, VMS, etc
05:57 < enix> personal or for work
05:57 < Hunterkll> i mean c'mon, i've got a full 42U rack and a third of it is non-x86 hardware and i'm using sun kit as a footrest
05:57 < Hunterkll> all personall
05:57 < Hunterkll> work is mostly wintel, but i'm llinux & solaris admin there too
05:58 < enix> Are you  just doing self learning/testing shit?
05:58 < enix> Having fun etc or what because that's a lot of VM's... even for me.
05:59 < Hunterkll> some of it's automated
05:59 < Hunterkll> some of it i run some small side business tuff on
05:59 < Hunterkll> stuff
05:59 < agris> that screenshot, did you also make a screenshot for FVWM?
06:00 < enix> mmk
06:00 < Hunterkll> agris, no, because I was using KDE3.5 those days
06:00 < Hunterkll> enix, my AD is also tied into some front facing websites too
06:00 < Hunterkll> my network spans 3 continents lol
06:01 < Hunterkll> hypervisor boxes leased in 2 other datacenters overseas
06:01 < Hunterkll> ASAs terminating each link, decent firewallling, some IDS gear in there too, etc
06:02 < Hunterkll> I run a site that's just internet facing sharepoint. ;)
06:10 < Church-> Man I love reading about The Greatest Generation.
06:11 < Hunterkll> alright
06:11 < Hunterkll> gotta shut down get ready for another attempt at a build upgrade
06:11 < Hunterkll> -_-
06:13 < rpifan> nop
06:24 < McDonaldsWiFi> SO I have a datacenter hyper-v server
06:24 < McDonaldsWiFi> I thought my VMs spun up from this machine would have unlimited licenses
06:24 < enix> Fuck jigglypuff is weak in GSC
06:24 < enix> brb
06:31 < togen> for fucks sake I want to call my boss out for his bullshit
06:33 < togen> he keeps wanting to place software on bare metal when the fucking service uses 0.5 load on a 24 core machine.
06:34 < McDonaldsWiFi> togen: maybe do it in a nice way? xD
06:34 < DoctorDick> "You fucking idiot, kill yourself"
06:35 < togen> McDonaldsWiFi: been there done that, the graphs do not lie. "still want them on bare metal"
06:37 < xe0n> kill yourself, really?
06:37 < xe0n> lol
06:38 < McDonaldsWiFi> KYS
06:38 < McDonaldsWiFi> K Y S
06:38 < McDonaldsWiFi> togen: so what is the solution you want to do?
06:40 < togen> consolidate, make things easier to automate with ansible, make backup easier, save money, save power, etc etc
06:40 < togen> but he won't listen to reason simply cause he doesn't trust vms
06:40 < DoctorDick> Old people man
06:40 < javi404> what the fuck is wrong with youtube?
06:40 < togen> he was born 1978, virtual machines are just as old as he is
06:40 < javi404> im watching video 11 of 200 but where is the list so i can edit?
06:41 < javi404> fuck this shit
06:41 < javi404> fuck u google
06:42 < McDonaldsWiFi> togen: maybe he will retire soon lol
06:42 < togen> asif
06:43 < togen> its annoying, I love working here but my fucking god, some of his decisions are down right retarded
06:45 < MadCamel> heh. bare metal's great when you have services full full utilization though. can even optimize the hardware for the workload and vice-versa-ish
06:46 < MadCamel> but yeah.. yuck.
06:46 < MadCamel> show him it's what IBM's been doing forever on their big iron? :)
06:47 < MadCamel> Generally us oldfarts "don't trust" something because we don't understand it and don't want to retrain. weather we admit it or not
06:50 < togen> though I understand completely why big iron exists, its when data is worth more than the servers
06:50 < togen> data integrity is paramount
06:51 < togen> though gimme a iSeries/AS400 over zSeries, JCL and REXX scare me
06:54 < togen> i also still visualize my AS/400 as well
06:56 < nojeffrey> HP Microservers used to be ~$230, now the Gen10 ones are $650+
06:59 < togen> i know :(
06:59 < Hunterkll> another failed build upgrade
06:59 < Hunterkll> and mulltiple failed boots
06:59 < Hunterkll> another RMA request for an i9-7980XE submitted.
06:59 < togen> like no point anymore since you can get the R610s for cheap
06:59 < nojeffrey> togen power consumption
06:59 < togen> Hunterkll: ouch, is that the render machine?
06:59 < Hunterkll> togen, the bigass desktop yea
07:00 < Hunterkll> togen, best part? this is the CPU that I got back as an RMA ... in january
07:00 < nojeffrey> they were perfect for zfs/freenas
07:00 < togen> nojeffrey: I got a pair of ULV cpus
07:00 < Hunterkll> took two months to exhibit symptoms this time
07:00 < Hunterkll> lol
07:00 < Hunterkll> i'm gonna buy a 26 lane or whatever CPU for the interim
07:00 < Hunterkll> just gotta decide which one
07:00 < togen> buy a threadripper with all the PCIe lanes
07:00 < Hunterkll> this one has 44 and i use 'em welll
07:01 < Hunterkll> but threadripper is also slower as fuck compared to this cpu
07:01 < Hunterkll> and has less cores
07:01 < Hunterkll> so
07:01 < nojeffrey> togen in an R610?
07:01 < nojeffrey> what model CPU?
07:01 < xe0n> said he read it but heee lieedddd
07:01 < Hunterkll> nojeffrey, like, X56xx series
07:01 < Hunterkll> first with SLAT that could run Hyper-V 2016
07:02 < genr8_> im running an X5675, best thing to keep my X58 alive
07:03 < togen> Xeon L5638	
07:03 < xe0n> what
07:03 < xe0n> lol
07:03 < xe0n> :P
07:03 < Hunterkll> LOW POWER = LLOW POWER
07:03 < Hunterkll> DUHHH
07:04 < togen> http://store.flagshiptech.com/dell-poweredge-r610-intel-xeon-5600-westmere-ep-cpus/?sort=featured&page=2
07:04 < nojeffrey> togen ever attached a power meter to that server, how much does it use?
07:04 < xe0n> use it as a heater in winter
07:04 < togen> 105W at idle but I use it as a vm host
07:04 < togen> used iDRAC
07:05 < togen> I could just use 1 40W CPU if it was a file server
07:05 < xe0n> draccccccc
07:06 < nojeffrey> cool, thanks
07:06 < xe0n> getting low with ilo
07:06 < xe0n> there's a new book title
07:07 < Hunterkll> CPUs dropping like flies these days man
07:07 < xe0n> droppin like it's hot
07:08 < Hunterkll> i've seen 3 non-damage/non-mishandling CPU failures in my life - at least, ones i know were 100% good lifecyclle and failed in system
07:08 < Hunterkll> this is the 3rd
07:08 < Hunterkll> the 2nd was the one I RMA'd in january
07:08 < Hunterkll> and the 1st was an R710 that had a memory slot that faulted and followed the CPU
07:08 < Hunterkll> and only faulted after a month or two of operation
07:08 < Hunterkll> it'd be either A3 or B3 that failed depending on where i socketed it
07:08 < Hunterkll> lol
07:09 < genr8_> static is real
07:09 < genr8_> ESD
07:10 < aName> Man I have put way too much effort into figuring out PXE booting just so I don't have to go find my other thumbdrive.
07:12 <@JollyRgrs> aName: #howWeLearnThings
07:12 <@JollyRgrs> amirite?
07:12 < aName> JollyRgrs: lol yeah
07:12 <@JollyRgrs> now it is a battle of wills... are you gonna win or is computer going to win
07:12 < xe0n> computer will
07:12 < xe0n> lolll
07:12 < aName> I got it to boot... something
07:13 < aName> It wasn't what I wanted, but it loaded code over the network
07:13 < aName> so...
07:13 < aName> progress
07:13 < xe0n> something something booting faill
07:13 < Hunterkll> alright
07:13 < Hunterkll> time for another build upgrade to fail
07:13 < xe0n> cool stotry
07:13 < xe0n> story
07:14 < xe0n> aName what are you trying to use? WDS\MDT?
07:15 < genr8_> whats it called when doing the work the longer right way woulda been faster than halfassing it
07:16 < aName> Eh this is useful for later
07:16 < genr8_> i thought there was some like law named after that
07:16 < genr8_> did you learn PXE boot is terrible and you should not rely on such things ?
07:17 < aName> Naw
07:17 <@JollyRgrs> the law of awesome?
07:17 < aName> Just that I don't know how to configure it yet
07:17 < xe0n> pxe is fine lol, i haven't installed windows manually in over 10 years lol
07:17 < togen> PXE boot is awesome
07:17 < genr8_> cause its like a tri-fecta of old antiquated services
07:17 < genr8_> TFTP server
07:18 < genr8_> DHCP server
07:18 < genr8_> BOOTP
07:18 < genr8_> what else
07:18 < togen> if it works, don't fix it
07:18 <@JollyRgrs> uh...
07:18 <@JollyRgrs> those are not antiquated
07:18 <@JollyRgrs> dhcp server is antiquated?
07:18 <@JollyRgrs> rly?
07:18 <@JollyRgrs> TFTP?
07:18 < genr8_> do you know all the dhcp_Option numbers to assign
07:18 < xe0n> you dont need dhcp options unless you're running that on the same box
07:19 < xe0n> IP helpers, or if the server is on the same subnet as the workstations, works fine, no cnfig needed
07:19 < xe0n> config
07:19 <@JollyRgrs> and on diff subnets, you should use ip helpers
07:19 < xe0n> ^
07:19 <@JollyRgrs> genr8_: you srsly need to learn before you knock on something
07:20 <@JollyRgrs> genr8_: do you use ipv6 exclusively?
07:20 <@JollyRgrs> b/c ipv4 is antiquated
07:20 < genr8_> no, why
07:20 <@JollyRgrs> A F
07:20 < genr8_> also true
07:20 <@JollyRgrs> argument invalidated
07:21 < xe0n> loll
07:21 < xe0n> the internet strikes again, feel the burnnnn
07:21 < genr8_> how do you PXE boot off wifi ?
07:22 < Atro> with swag
07:22 < genr8_> i would be impressed if someone did that
07:22 < Atro> the hardware must support wifi in bios
07:23 < genr8_> funny one of the only google results is this
07:23 < genr8_> https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/3v61cw/pxe_booting_and_wireless/
07:23 < xe0n> genr8_: you tinker with you winpe boot image and add wifi support, but probably a bit flakey, requires bootstrapping via usb, but i've half assed it before,
07:23 < xe0n> http://www.scconfigmgr.com/2018/03/06/build-a-winpe-with-wireless-support/
07:24 < genr8_> cool
07:26 <@JollyRgrs> yeah, winpe on wireless is doable, but a PITA
07:27 <@JollyRgrs> and much better if you hard code the wifi password... which isn't always preferred
07:27 <@JollyRgrs> and again... unless BIOS supports wifi, winPE wireless is better for USB boots that you wish to have network access during imaging
07:28 < genr8_> ive never seen a bios support wifi like that
07:28 < genr8_> to connect first, then boot from
07:28 <@JollyRgrs> i think it's iPXE
07:28 <@JollyRgrs> not BIOS directly
07:29 < genr8_> is that embeddable ?
07:29 < rpifan> yes
07:29 < rpifan> it is
07:29 < xe0n> eatable
07:29 < rpifan> but
07:29 < xe0n> comfortable
07:29 < Hunterkll> yup
07:29 < Hunterkll> it was a fail
07:29 < Hunterkll> fail fail fail
07:29 < rpifan> sometimes u need shady russian tools
07:29 < rpifan> to crack open
07:29 < rpifan> the bios
07:29 < rpifan> and reflash the card
07:29 < Hunterkll> lolll
07:30 < genr8_> i believe you
07:30 < xe0n> flash some tits, see if it works
07:30 <@JollyRgrs> xe0n: i tried, it did not work
07:30 < rpifan> i was researching it for a project
07:30 <@JollyRgrs> does it require female mammories?
07:30 < rpifan> when i was at the shady crypto startup
07:30 < rpifan> mammories yeaaaaa
07:30 < rpifan> mammories yeeaaa
07:30 < xe0n> probably
07:31 < Hunterkll> alright
07:31 < Hunterkll> one i7-7800X orderd
07:31 < Hunterkll> ordered
07:31 < xe0n> im going to order a pizza later
07:31 < genr8_> the PXE options in Pfsense are pretty ok https://puu.sh/AujBj/613c00bbff.png
07:31 <@JollyRgrs> Hunterkll: whatever happened with your i9? got that rig going again?
07:31 <@JollyRgrs> oh, i never used PXE in pfsense
07:32 < genr8_> even has a TFTP server plugin
07:32 <@JollyRgrs> you'd really want a server for PXE if you're doing anything other than super basic
07:32 < rpifan> i ate a whole large pizza friday
07:32 <@JollyRgrs> i have a PXE server at home for foreman (i never finished that project, sadly) and at work it's all SCCM (so WDS) or MDT (also WDS)
07:32 < genr8_> it usually is something super basic you only wanna spin up like once
07:32 <@JollyRgrs> rpifan: g4u
07:32 <@JollyRgrs> now wait until you are 30 and still doing that
07:33 <@JollyRgrs> you'll have a bit more room on your belly to hold your plate
07:33 < genr8_> it really goes to your ass
07:33 <@JollyRgrs> not me
07:33 <@JollyRgrs> i still have no ass
07:33 < genr8_> you store it in front
07:33 < rpifan> im 30 lol
07:34 <@JollyRgrs> rpifan: you remind me....
07:34 < genr8_> you're young at heart
07:34 < genr8_> how old do you feel
07:34 < rpifan> well i try to work out
07:34 < rpifan> about 16
07:34 < genr8_> thats a bit ways off
07:34 <@JollyRgrs> https://youtu.be/Rnpy3cC673o?t=48
07:34 < Hunterkll> JollyRgrs, it's on the fritz
07:34 < Hunterkll> i can't even get a buillld upgrade done
07:34 < Hunterkll> and there's freezes
07:34 < rpifan> lol
07:34 < Hunterkll> i'm RMAing the i9
07:34 < Hunterkll> AGAIN
07:34 <@JollyRgrs> Hunterkll: didn't you get a new one?
07:35 <@JollyRgrs> ugh
07:35 < rpifan> well i do try to do cardio
07:35 <@JollyRgrs> don't think it is the MB, do ya?
07:35 < rpifan> i bike 12 miles to work
07:35 <@JollyRgrs> or was it the same MB you used with the other CPU?
07:35 < Hunterkll> JollyRgrs, this is a different MB
07:35 < rpifan> and do bodyweight fitness
07:35 < Hunterkll> lol
07:35 < rpifan> last year
07:35 < rpifan> i was actually doing weight
07:35 < rpifan> but i left those back in atl
07:35 < genr8_> how many i9s does a man need to rma before he gets a golden silicon lottery one I MEAN working cpu
07:35 < rpifan> then i got lazy
07:35 < rpifan> but i did finish power 90
07:35 <@JollyRgrs> #ButThenIGotLazy
07:35 <@JollyRgrs> #famousLastWords
07:35 <@JollyRgrs> #inb4fat
07:36 < rpifan> lol
07:36 < rpifan> last i got weight i was at 165
07:36 < rpifan> which is the borderlin for fat yes
07:36 <@JollyRgrs> weight w/o height is nothing
07:36 < rpifan> 5'9.5
07:36 < genr8_> fat is like 300 pounds bruh
07:36 < genr8_> this is america
07:36 < rpifan> i do have more chest muscle at least for all the belly fat
07:36 < rpifan> i know
07:36 < rpifan> but im a gay
07:36 <@JollyRgrs> genr8_: what if you are 7 foot?
07:36 < rpifan> we have differnet sizes
07:36 <@JollyRgrs> 300 ain't so fat
07:36 < genr8_> then you just big boned
07:36 < genr8_> idk
07:37 < genr8_> how gay are you
07:37 < rpifan> me
07:37 < rpifan> very
07:37 < rpifan> but not outwardly
07:37 <@JollyRgrs> i'm very barrel chested and broad shouldered
07:37 <@JollyRgrs> but i'm also overweight right now
07:38 < rpifan> i have a picture from last year
07:38 < rpifan> https://imgur.com/a/ej2UN
07:38 < Hunterkll> huh
07:38 < Hunterkll> i finally got approved for the amazon card
07:38 < Hunterkll> woohoo $40 off that cpu
07:38 < genr8_> is that the gay festival
07:38 < Hunterkll> and 5% cashback on everything
07:38 < Hunterkll> that'll be a huge help since 99% of my shit comes from amazon
07:39 <@JollyRgrs> he's totes the guy in the background (but front line) in the shades
07:39 < genr8_> make sure you sign up at chase.com and pay your payment cause it doesnt actually bill through amazon (anyway for me)
07:39 < rpifan> nah
07:39 < genr8_> they tried tellin me i had late payments cause i never signed up at their dumb site
07:39 < rpifan> im in the red pup hood
07:39 < rpifan> pink floyd
07:40 < Hunterkll> genr8_, this is synchrony not chase
07:40 < Hunterkll> this is the store card
07:40 < genr8_> idk what that means
07:40 < genr8_> im no expert on this
07:40 < Hunterkll> different bank
07:41 < genr8_> CHASE AmazonRewards mine says
07:41 <@JollyRgrs> Hunterkll: how much a year does amazon tell you that you saved with prime?
07:41 < Hunterkll> lol where do i find that
07:41 <@JollyRgrs> i dunno
07:41 <@JollyRgrs> i recalled seeing it...maybe in an email?
07:41 < genr8_> i havent seen that posted by anyone. they SHOULD do that
07:42 <@JollyRgrs> yoru account... then prime... benefits and somethings...
07:42 < Hunterkll> Without Prime, you would pay at least $3.99 per shipment.
07:42 < Hunterkll> At $79 per year (Prime's old fee), you would pay $0.62 per shipment.
07:42 < Hunterkll> At $99 per year (Prime's new fee), you would pay $0.77 per shipment.
07:42 <@JollyRgrs> i can't find it there
07:43 < Hunterkll> 128 orders last year
07:43 < Hunterkll> lol
07:43 <@JollyRgrs> On October 26, 2018, you will be charged $59.00 for a year of Prime Studen
07:43 <@JollyRgrs> haha
07:43 <@JollyRgrs> i love that
07:43 <@JollyRgrs> will be sad when it goes away
07:43 < Hunterkll> lol
07:43 < Atro> amerifags go to sleep, europe's awake now
07:43 <@JollyRgrs> #usedtoworkataunivhospital
07:43 < Hunterkll> genr8_, but yea mine's not a real credit card, it's just 'store credit'
07:44 < Hunterkll> loll
07:44 <@JollyRgrs> :)
07:44 <@JollyRgrs> Happy Memorial Day, Atro
07:44 < Atro> its b/c religious bullshit, u heathen
07:44 <@JollyRgrs> nope
07:44 < genr8_> im pissed they raised it to $119
07:44 <@JollyRgrs> eh
07:45 <@JollyRgrs> you still save a good bit
07:45 < Hunterkll> anyway
07:45 < Hunterkll> 5% back or 6 months financing
07:45 < Hunterkll> hmmmm
07:46 < Hunterkll> that's $16 off there...
07:46 < Atro> JollyRgrs: in yurop, today is the descent of the holy spirit, orthodox stuff
07:46 < Hunterkll> so i'd have to pay it off in 2 months to make it worth it
07:47 < xe0n> amen.
07:47 < Hunterkll> fuck it 6 month no interest is better
07:47 < Hunterkll> i'm already getting $40 off anyway
07:47 < Hunterkll> so whatevs
07:48 < Hunterkll> ew sales tax
07:49 < rpifan> taxes are good
07:49 < rpifan> as long as they dont into paying for that stupid air show
07:49 < rpifan> damn taxes
07:49 < MillerBOSS> lol you're still going on about that air show?
07:50 <@JollyRgrs> what air show?
07:50 <@JollyRgrs> i like air shows
07:50 < Hunterkll> lol
07:50 < MillerBOSS> rpifan does not
07:51 <@JollyRgrs> booo
07:51 <@JollyRgrs> down with rpifan
07:51 <@JollyRgrs> up with the Blue Angels
07:51 < MillerBOSS> Sleeping during the day is getting old
07:51 <@JollyRgrs> and even the thunderbirds... i guess
07:52 < Hunterkll> taxes pay for thundercats? OKAY
07:52 < rpifan> agreed
07:52 < rpifan> fucken airshows
07:52 < xe0n> air shows are cool, COOOOOOBRRRRRAAAAAAAS
07:52 < rpifan> anyway
07:52 < rpifan> so last year i did power 90
07:52 < rpifan> that was nice
07:52 < rpifan> almost had abs
07:52 < rpifan> but fucken tony is so damn boring
07:52 < MillerBOSS> >almost
07:52 < MillerBOSS> lol
07:52 < rpifan> well u could see them
07:53 < rpifan> when i flexed
07:53 < MillerBOSS> I can see mine under my gut too
07:53 < rpifan> but it would have tkane severla more pounds weight lose to really see
07:53 < rpifan> idk the boys said they saw my abs
07:53 < rpifan> i have a picture of it too
07:53 < MillerBOSS> Boys?
07:53 < rpifan> the ppl i fucked along the way
07:53 < MillerBOSS> uhh
07:53 < Hunterkll> lol
07:54 <@JollyRgrs> even when i was skinny, i had no abs that showed (i played basketball and football was was hitting the gym in HS)
07:54 <@JollyRgrs> just that barrel chest thing i guess
07:54 <@JollyRgrs> unless i worked stupid hard at it
07:54 < rpifan> in any case
07:54 < rpifan> p90x was just to fucken boring
07:54 < genr8_> he did say he was very gay
07:54 < rpifan> so im gonna try another program
07:54 < rpifan> T25 takes 25 minutes
07:54 < rpifan> i mean these programs work
07:54 < rpifan> as long as u do them
07:55 < MillerBOSS> lol genr8_
07:55 < rpifan> just the fucken tony guy is annoying as fuck
07:55 < enix> I could never do p90x
07:55 < rpifan> in any case no more large pizzas twice a month
07:56 < rpifan> that was stupid for me to even be doing but damn work is so stressful and nothing makes u feel less sad then food
07:56 < enix> I've tried using elastics for resistance training, but can never find something that's flexible yet provides enough resistance
07:56 < rpifan> i can evne feel myself like the sadness and despair
07:56 < rpifan> floating away
07:57 < enix> I had to do physio for a fighting injury and the physio gave me his "strongest band", and he's like "do you feel that resistance in your shoulder" and I had to lie like "yeah mate, totally"
07:57 < enix> Nothing beats a power tower and a google search
07:58  * LemWork rages at avast
07:58 < enix> rpifan: get a power tower and use it like you're doing yoga. Slow movements, breathe deeply, masterbate furious after every workout
07:58 < LemWork> their latest software is utter shit.
07:58 <@JollyRgrs> so i suggest a new feature of youtube red
07:58 < rpifan> lol
07:58 < rpifan> furious masturbation?
07:58 <@JollyRgrs> skip the begging of the person to like/subscript/clickthebell
07:58 < enix> Masterbation is a pretty important thing for males
07:58 < rpifan> sadly im oving again soon
07:58 < LemWork> trying to install the client with their console and it's failing every time
07:58 < enix> Wait.. you're male yeah?
07:58 < rpifan> so no chance for equipment
07:58 < enix> Yeah of course you are; you're on the internet
07:59 < rpifan> i do have the resistance bands
07:59 < LemWork> because the fricking installer is trying to go to the net, not to the local console >_<
07:59 < rpifan> im gay
07:59 < rpifan> i had / have testicular cance
07:59 < rpifan> i had my testicle removed
07:59 < rpifan> and a fake one put in
07:59 < enix> oh legit
07:59 < enix> Just one or both
07:59 < rpifan> one real one fake
07:59 <@JollyRgrs> rpifan: so you're like more real than lance armstrong?
07:59 < enix> Oh so you can still jack it
07:59 <@JollyRgrs> or did you also take PEDs and lie about it?
07:59 < rpifan> lol no
07:59 < rpifan> i wish
08:00 < rpifan> lance also only has one fake one
08:00 < rpifan>  and one rela one
08:00 < rpifan> im also an avid biker
08:00 < rpifan> but
08:00 < rpifan> the bike is destroying my real testicle
08:00 < enix> I got a bike on Saturday
08:00 < enix> Wait... motocycle or faggercycle
08:01 < rpifan> a real one
08:01 < rpifan> le velo
08:01 < genr8_> the name doesnt inspire confidence
08:01 < rpifan> fahrrad
08:01 < enix> Yeah so I got a faggercycle on Saturday and I can feel the seat on my ass from the fucking bruising
08:02 < rpifan> only real bicycles
08:02 < rpifan> have good qualities
08:02 < rpifan> to them
08:02 < enix> it's a merida big seven
08:02 < enix> deceent unit bth
08:02 < enix> tbh*
08:03 < rpifan> merida?
08:03 < rpifan> oh hardtail
08:03 < rpifan> yuck
08:03 < enix> whats wrong with hard tails
08:04 < rpifan> unless your doing rally cross
08:04 < enix> my new commute is 50% off road
08:05 < enix> loose gravel, slight mud
08:05 < jay-ros> enix enix enix enix enix
08:05 < jay-ros> bicycle or motor?
08:05 < enix> jay-ros: faggercycle
08:05 < enix> s/fagger/bi
08:05 < jay-ros> scooter?
08:05 < enix> I hate bicycles :(
08:05 < enix> Nah bicycle :(
08:05 < jay-ros> oh
08:05 < jay-ros> ...
08:05 < jay-ros> ok, carry on.
08:05 < enix> I hate myself when I ride it
08:06 < jay-ros> sorry, you hate what? I lost interest...
08:06 < enix> Cunt
08:06 < jay-ros> did you get a pink basket and a taste for Adele music?
08:06 < jay-ros> pussy
08:06 < jay-ros> ;)
08:06 < enix> haha
08:06 <+NinjaStyle> Why are we bullying each other
08:06 < enix> Hilariously I was thinking about getting a basket
08:06 < jay-ros> Aussie banter is high tier
08:07 < enix> NinjaStyle: BECUSE YOUR KNOW LONGER OP BITCHASS
08:07 <+NinjaStyle> That's gay af
08:07 <+NinjaStyle> I never was
08:07 <+NinjaStyle> Officially anyway
08:07 < rpifan> im gay af
08:07 < xe0n> loll
08:07 <+NinjaStyle> rpifan: do u have a basket?
08:07 < enix> jay-ros: I'm fucking keen to get back on the bike though
08:07 < enix> motorbike, that is
08:08 < jay-ros> damn fuckin straight
08:08 < enix> October 10 is when the license gets back
08:08 < jay-ros> I'm hitting 6mo with the girlfriend, which means I need to consider being an adult and buying a car
08:08 < jay-ros> I'm thinking a 2013-ish scooby liberty
08:08 < rpifan> `yea i have a bike crate i found on the street one late night as i was biking drunk in fort lauderdale
08:08 < rpifan> that is attached to my bike
08:08 < rpifan> via bunge cords
08:09 < enix> scoobys are good cars
08:09 < enix> I have the 00 wrx with all 06 sti running gear and custom diffs
08:09 < jay-ros> rpifan - that's fucking rockstar status there. Nothing but respect for that
08:09 < enix> Fucking monster, but it's a four seater with mounting points for children things
08:09 < rpifan> lol
08:10 < enix> my kids will never be late for school
08:10 < jay-ros> I just want something which I never need to think about... get it serviced and drive it like  stole it
08:10 < enix> oh
08:10 < enix> ford falcon
08:10 < rpifan> damn company cto
08:10 < enix> rpifan: blow him off
08:10 < rpifan> was walking all over the street the other
08:10 < rpifan> almost
08:10 < rpifan> crashed cause of him
08:11 < rpifan> fucken iron man
08:11 < rpifan> winner
08:11 < enix> huh
08:11 < jay-ros> ...but still keep my license and not look like I drink XXXX beer or I'm applying for Fast 10: Fast and the Fucking Aggro
08:11 < rpifan> yes
08:11 < rpifan> he placed 4 on the iron man
08:11 < rpifan> in hawaii or some shit
08:11 < rpifan> 8 years ago
08:12 < enix> jay-ros: budget?
08:12 < jay-ros> Like 12-ish?
08:12 < enix> hm
08:12 < jay-ros> I really want to keep my bonnieville
08:12 < enix> ute?
08:13 < jay-ros> Nah, I'm not about that lifestyle anymore.
08:13 < jay-ros> I'll be living in, like, rhodes or somewhere similar
08:13 < enix> Oh you're local to me
08:13 < jay-ros> corporate adult now
08:13 < MillerBOSS> HHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU GGGUUUUUUUUUUYYYYYYYYYZZZZZZZZZZ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Vv5CsP1pAg
08:14 < enix> Yeah just get a subaru hatch
08:14 < jay-ros> Yeah that's what I'm thinking - easy to run, not obscene, straight and ages well
08:15 < LemWork> just sent Avast support a rather angry email
08:15 < jay-ros> I still need to spend thousands at nick scali and bing lee when I move end of next month. Budget runs as the budget runs.
08:15 < enix> Yuhp
08:15 < LemWork> their freaking client is too dumb to realize that it doesn't need to use a proxy to connect to a local server
08:15 < MillerBOSS> Did you use works like fuck this fucking thing LemWork?
08:15 < enix> I'm watching my savings dimish as I'm planning out this move to QLD
08:15 < MillerBOSS> words*
08:15 < LemWork> and there's no way to tell it to bypass the proxy for local addresses
08:15 < LemWork> MillerBOSS, close enough to without actually swearing
08:15 < enix> brb smoko break
08:15 < LemWork> lots of caps
08:16 < MillerBOSS> Yeah they CAPS will get someone moving faster. :P
08:16 < LemWork> so you get this wonderful situation of you can have it talk to the local console, but anything internet based is broken, or have internet based things working... but no local console.
08:16  * LemWork applauds Avast for this particular bit of idiocy.
08:17 < rpifan> yall i need real talk advice
08:17 < rpifan> i already get to work from home
08:17 < rpifan> when i need to
08:17 < rpifan> how do i  convince them to make it more permanent
08:17 < LemWork> break your spine at work
08:18 < rpifan> less painful more lying
08:18 < genr8_> do they have an in house HR lady or like job psychologist
08:18 < LemWork> tell them you brok your spine
08:18 < genr8_> not sure what to call it. someone whos whole job is to handle special requests like that
08:19 < rpifan> they have an hr person several of them
08:19 < genr8_> you can claim you're debilitated due to social anxiety
08:19 < genr8_> nobody is just gonna let you just stay home forever though. they want to see your face
08:20 < genr8_> i have a friend who does it and im surprised he pulls it off honestly
08:21 < genr8_> he says he has like an HR person as an advocate to his boss cause otherwise the boss would be like get the fuck in to work
08:21 < genr8_> but since its like a human issue the boss has to take the HR ladys word for it that this guy needs to work from home
08:22 <+NinjaStyle> rpifan: find a fully remote job
08:26 < rpifan> i only need them to let me do it for like 2 or 3 weeks
08:27 < rpifan> then im quiting anyway
08:28 < enix> suck it up then princess
08:28 < rpifan> well i cant
08:28 < rpifan> i wont be here
08:30 < MillerBOSS> Yeah what enix said
08:31 < MillerBOSS> rpifan 👉 Why are you quitting? You don't like money?
08:31 < Virtual-Potato> mo money mo problems
08:31 < rpifan> im tired of the US abusing me, and the company is a royal wreck
08:32 < rpifan> i want to be abused by the europeans for a while
08:32 < MillerBOSS> Out comes Virtual-Potato. Where have you been hiding?
08:32 < MillerBOSS> OK good luck with that thinking, rpifan :)
08:32 < Virtual-Potato> under a few layers of sour cream and chives
08:32 < Virtual-Potato> and cheese, and chives
08:33 < Virtual-Potato> god damn now I want a nice baked potato
08:33 < MillerBOSS> That sounds good. Too bad I just ate else I would go to Wendy's
08:33 < genr8__> rpifan: will you leave the country
08:34 < Virtual-Potato> nothing's open at 2:30 am anyway
08:34 < Virtual-Potato> so I guess I'll just starve
08:34 < Virtual-Potato> I mean I do have some frozen shredded potatoes... I could make myself some hash browns
08:34 < Hunterkll> it took a llot of beating
08:34 < Hunterkll> but i at least got the OS upgraded
08:34 < Hunterkll> 17677 installed anyway
08:34 < MillerBOSS> Wendy's open till 3am here Virtual-Potato
08:34 < Virtual-Potato> Hunterkll, you finally upgraded to Windows XP? Congrats!
08:34 < Hunterkll> damn fucking CPU fucking shit up
08:35 < Hunterkll> fucking BSODs every other boot
08:35 < rpifan> thats the plan
08:35 < Hunterkll> fucking i9 bullshit
08:35 < MillerBOSS> s/CPU/Windows
08:35 < genr8__> you sure its not the mobo
08:35 < MillerBOSS> :P
08:35 < Virtual-Potato> s/mobo/user
08:35 < Hunterkll> genr8__, same exact symptoms and solutions as the last cpu I rma'd
08:35 < Hunterkll> ;)
08:35 < genr8__> that "user" was my 2nd question
08:35 < Hunterkll> MillerBOSS, linux fucks up too
08:35 < Hunterkll> so
08:35 < Hunterkll> nice try
08:35 < Hunterkll> :P
08:36 < MillerBOSS> lol :P
08:36 < genr8__> Hunterkll: thats why i wonder about the mobo.....
08:36 < genr8__> CPU's dont generally RMA twice in a row
08:36 < MillerBOSS> i9 is too new
08:36  * MillerBOSS spreads lies
08:36 < Hunterkll> llol
08:36 < Hunterkll> genr8__, swapping CPU fixes symptoms
08:36 < Hunterkll> so
08:36 < Hunterkll> and last time I went through two motherboards troublleshooting
08:36 < Hunterkll> lol
08:36 < Virtual-Potato> Hunterkll, you did a BIOS update right
08:36 < genr8__> until your board kills it again
08:36 < Hunterkll> this is a new motherboard
08:36 < Hunterkll> entirely new motherboard
08:36 < Hunterkll> from the last RMA anyway
08:36 < Virtual-Potato> you did a BIOS update on the mobo right
08:37 < Hunterkll> no, i'm a retrad
08:37 < genr8__> its got bad juju. start fresh.
08:37 < Hunterkll> i cant do basic things right
08:37 < Virtual-Potato> well
08:37 < Virtual-Potato> go on and do it
08:37 < Hunterkll> Virtual-Potato, the fuck do you think, intel asks for BIOS versions right on the RMA form
08:37 < MillerBOSS> Yeah I agree with genr8__
08:37 < Virtual-Potato> >scribbles down an AMD bios version
08:37 < Hunterkll> genr8__, this isn't a board I even had when the last CPU went on the fritz....
08:37 < Hunterkll> Virtual-Potato, to be fair my fucking bios versions look like microsoft version numbers
08:37 < Hunterkll> 1301 is current lulz
08:38 < Hunterkll> i upgraded earlier today when i was trying to ram this new build upgrade down
08:38 < Virtual-Potato> Hunterkll, what's the issue you're dealing with anyway? Computer BSODs randomly?
08:38 < enix> The worst thing about quitting your job, is the fucking waiting period after you quit
08:39 < enix> I swear to god I'm fucking over it
08:39 < genr8__> whats the ERROR_DESCRIPTION
08:39 < rpifan> 13.1.32.1.3.1.23.2
08:39 < Virtual-Potato> enix, what do you mean, waiting period?
08:39 <+NinjaStyle> 2 weeks
08:39 < Virtual-Potato> are those actually enforceable
08:39 < enix> notice period of one month
08:40 < genr8__> yes
08:40 < enix> either that or it comes out of my annual leave
08:40 < genr8__> they take your pay
08:40 < genr8__> its usually 2 weeks. i guess for 1 month you got some serious shit goin on
08:41 < genr8__> and they pay you ahead of time so you'd never get that last payment if you quit immediately
08:41 < Virtual-Potato> aren't most places at-will employment anyways, so you can quit (or they can lay you off) for any reason whatsoever?
08:41 < Hunterkll> Virtual-Potato, occasional hardlocks - just freezes on screen. if not at terminal, can't wake up, total froze, no network , etc
08:41 < Hunterkll> sometimes, PROCESS1_INITIALIZATION_FAILURE on boot
08:41 < Hunterkll> for the BSOD
08:41 < Hunterkll> which basically means cpu init is fucked or boot is fucked
08:41 < Hunterkll> wellll
08:41 < Hunterkll> boot cahce etc
08:41 < Virtual-Potato> Hunterkll, have you tried toggling the sleep states?
08:42 < Hunterkll> well, i just had it happen twice on a build upgrade which means everything is clean sllate, etc
08:42 < Virtual-Potato> like disabling low power S-states
08:42 < genr8__> have you tried wiggling it
08:42 < Hunterkll> Virtual-Potato, well, why would i bother doing that when it was stable for 2 months then suddenly started fritzing?
08:42 < Virtual-Potato> Hunterkll, you do have your computer plugged into a surge protector, yes?
08:42 < MillerBOSS> s/wiggling/turning it off and on again
08:43 < genr8__> wiggle it, just a little bit
08:43 < Hunterkll> Virtual-Potato, smarttrip UPS
08:43 < genr8__> i like to move it move it
08:43 < MillerBOSS> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikYGBBULC40
08:43 < genr8__> seriously it could just be off in the socket or mounting pressure is wrong etc
08:44 < Virtual-Potato> Hunterkll, what PSU?
08:45 < MillerBOSS> Now you did it genr8__
08:45 < MillerBOSS> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqHQ_wWbG9Y
08:45 < Hunterkll> Virtual-Potato, EVGA 1000GQ, but don't worry, symptoms don't change with PSU swaps
08:46 < Hunterkll> and it's not the PSU the original CPU failed on, either
08:46 < genr8__> good call on this song
08:46 < MillerBOSS> This is JollyRgrs' jam
08:46 < Hunterkll> Virtual-Potato, damn similar though, but this CPU lasted more than 2 months before faililng, last time was like, 2 weeks before i started frantic troubleshooting after the initial build
08:46 < Hunterkll> Virtual-Potato, only thing I can think of is i drive it 100% 24/7 and my cooling may be inadequate?
08:47 < MillerBOSS> This was roller skating jams back in my day
08:47 < Virtual-Potato> Hunterkll, what temps are you getting?
08:47 < Hunterkll> but it should thermal shut off if in danger, and i don't think it ever peaked over 65C
08:47 < Hunterkll> so that can't be it at alll
08:47 < Virtual-Potato> nah
08:47 < Virtual-Potato> 65c isn't nearly hot enough to do anything
08:47 < Hunterkll> it's non-OCd so thermal throttling is full effect if needed
08:48 < Hunterkll> alright!
08:48 < MillerBOSS> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qkuu0Lwb5EM
08:48 < Virtual-Potato> TJMax is at 95c for i9 7900X series CPUs
08:48 < Hunterkll> $work SCOM in both environments is locked to TLS 1.2 now
08:48 < Hunterkll> and the database is set to *blech* mixed mode authentication
08:48 < Hunterkll> instead of windows auth only
08:48 < Hunterkll> so now security's software can get to it
08:48 < Hunterkll> ....
08:49 < Hunterkll> both the standalone for the old, and the cluster for the new
08:49 < Hunterkll> fucking HP ArcSight can't do windows auth to SQL databases for the SCOM connector
08:49 < Hunterkll> that's fucked
08:49 < Hunterkll> i do windows auth only for fucking everything
08:49 < Hunterkll> lol
08:50 < Hunterkll> local accounts suck dick
08:50 < Hunterkll> AD for all!
08:51 < Hunterkll> well they suck dick in the bad way
08:51 < Hunterkll> you know
08:51 < Hunterkll> like with teeth
08:51 < MillerBOSS> Why not https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TiR_gJTdl0
08:51 < genr8__> too many teeth*
08:51 < genr8__> fuck
08:51 < Hunterkll> too right
08:51 < genr8__> he rickrolled me with a macarena
08:51 < Hunterkll> so i finally jailbroke my iphone
08:51 < Hunterkll> 4 months after getting it
08:51 < Hunterkll> lol
08:51 < MillerBOSS> That shit will be in your head now
08:52 < MillerBOSS> EHY MACARENA
08:52 < xe0n> dun dun dun EHHHYYY MACERNA
08:52 < genr8__> WHAT IS LOVE
08:52 < xe0n> baby dont hurt me
08:53 < MillerBOSS> 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏
08:54 < MillerBOSS> Hunterkll's jam in middle school https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M6samPEMpM
08:54 < Hunterkll> no way
08:54  * Hunterkll calculates years
08:54 < Hunterkll> Evanescence was the shit
08:54 < MillerBOSS> MTV Total Request Live
08:56 < MillerBOSS> Look at Nearest tour info
08:56 < MillerBOSS> Next 20+ shows at Las Vegas
08:56 < Virtual-Potato> welp its 3am
08:56 < MillerBOSS> So
08:56 < MillerBOSS> No work tomorrow
08:57 < MillerBOSS> Pull an all nighter Virtual-Potato
08:57 < Virtual-Potato> no
08:57 < Virtual-Potato> I'm done with that shit
08:57 < MillerBOSS> You only live once
08:57 < Virtual-Potato> I've pulled way too many all-nighters in college
08:57 < LemWork> I stayed up far too late last night
08:57 < Virtual-Potato> My body can't
08:57 < LemWork> Far Cry 5 ^_^
08:57 < Virtual-Potato> I can't do it anymore
08:57 < genr8__> i stay up most nights
08:57 < Hunterkll> i mean
08:57 < LemWork> 3 hours sleep is not advisable before an 8 hour day
08:57 < Hunterkll> is it really pulling an all nighter
08:57 < MillerBOSS> That game will fo that to ya LemWork
08:58 < Hunterkll> if you're not doing any work ?
08:58 < LemWork> MillerBOSS, it is starting to get a bit more involving
08:58 < LemWork> 12 hours in so far
08:58 < MillerBOSS> I only played 5 a few times but 3 I could not put down
08:58 < LemWork> yeah
08:58 < Virtual-Potato> I mean, in college I'd pull an all-nigher like once every week, or maybe every other week... My time-management wasn't the best
08:59 < LemWork> I was unemployed when 3 came out
08:59 < LemWork> had just been made redundant so had a nice payout
08:59 < LemWork> missioned the whole game in like 3 days
08:59 < xe0n> super mario'd it
09:00 < LemWork> something like that
09:00 < LemWork> still a shame they killed off Vaas so early
09:00 < LemWork> so much potential, so little use.
09:01 < MillerBOSS> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDWFVI8PQOI
09:01 < MillerBOSS> Games are like drugs to me.
09:01 < xe0n> herion hero
09:01 < MillerBOSS> I have to uninstall Factorio again as I would play 24 hours straight
09:01 < xe0n> you just keep chasing the dragon
09:02 < MillerBOSS> had*
09:02 < MillerBOSS> Rhythm is a Dancer
09:02 < Virtual-Potato> So MillerBOSS you're saying you'd recommend the game to me?
09:02 < MillerBOSS> Factorio?
09:02 < Virtual-Potato> yes
09:03 < MillerBOSS> Yeah its fun
09:03 < MillerBOSS> I have little self control so
09:03 < MillerBOSS> Well I had nothing better to do as well
09:03 < MillerBOSS> Its like making a model train set
09:04 < MillerBOSS> jay-ros plays it and I know a few others here do too
09:04 < MillerBOSS> admiralspark does
09:04 < jay-ros> hmm?
09:04 < Virtual-Potato> dunno man
09:04 < jay-ros> Hhahah factorio?
09:04 < MillerBOSS> Yeah
09:04 < jay-ros> Overly addictive
09:04 < Virtual-Potato> I don't know if I want to become an addict
09:04 < MillerBOSS> Hey it keeps you off the streets as they say
09:04 < MillerBOSS> And outta trouble
09:05 < Virtual-Potato> playing it would get me into trouble
09:05 < xe0n> i'd end up smoking 3x the amount of weed i do now if i ended up playing games
09:05 < MillerBOSS> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w59e20ijOpE
09:05 < Virtual-Potato> I don't smoke, drink, or play games too often
09:05 < Virtual-Potato> I need to find a vice and stick with it
09:05 < MillerBOSS> Well I'd play with others on a map and when they stopped I would stop
09:05 < MillerBOSS> Like make a x hour limit
09:06 < Virtual-Potato> play against bots
09:06 < xe0n> 12
09:06 < xe0n> lol
09:06 < Virtual-Potato> never end
09:06 < Virtual-Potato> kek
09:06 < MillerBOSS> Sure xe0n
09:06 < MillerBOSS> This video
09:06 < MillerBOSS> "Baby Got Back:" Sir Mix-A-Lot with the Seattle Symphony
09:07 < MillerBOSS> Wow this video
09:08 < MillerBOSS> They symphony does it
09:09 < MillerBOSS> I wonder what instrument they use for "bass"
09:09 < xe0n> synth
09:09 < xe0n> lol
09:10 < MillerBOSS> So something electronic? I was hoping something else
09:10 < MillerBOSS> Maybe a drum?
09:10 < xe0n> probably
09:10 < xe0n> lol @ the people getting up
09:10 < xe0n> classic
09:10 < MillerBOSS> Oh its good
09:11 < xe0n> they start pouncing before the evens busts a line
09:11 < MillerBOSS> Yeah they know whats uo
09:11 < MillerBOSS> up*
09:11 < xe0n> especially the one in the black dress
09:11 < xe0n> shaking her ass
09:11 < xe0n> LOL
09:13 < MillerBOSS> Its nice they had a sense of humor, all the old peeps and all
09:14 < xe0n> yeah its cool
09:15 < MillerBOSS> Watching it again. I am really interesting in the symphony part. I think there is much more on the left
09:15 < MillerBOSS> When the beginning starts that sounds like some top hats
09:16 < rpifan> so no work from home?
09:16 < rpifan> why
09:16 < rpifan> why do they need my face
09:17 < MillerBOSS> s/interesting/interested
09:17 < nohusuro> rpifan: my company is the same
09:17 < nohusuro> they like an on-site presence, even though 98% of what we do could be done remotely
09:17 < rpifan> i mean the thing is
09:18 < rpifan> we have severla people who are al lremote
09:18 < rpifan> i dont see what they need me there for
09:18 < rpifan> i hate going into the damned office
09:18 < nohusuro> maybe they don't trust you to do work when you're not there
09:18 < rpifan> probably true
09:18 < rpifan> but what ddifferent does it make
09:19 < MillerBOSS> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYOU8jyTAtI another one, you can see the drums at 42 seconds
09:19 < MillerBOSS> xe0n 👉 ^
09:21 < MillerBOSS> Maybe because you are new rpifan
09:21 < xe0n> thats sickk
09:21 < rpifan> that is possible
09:21 < MillerBOSS> Yeah I like this xe0n I wish there was more
09:21 < rpifan> but its a huge mixed bag
09:21 < xe0n> how long you been working there rpgio?
09:21 < xe0n> rpifan*
09:21 < xe0n> r tab fail ;x
09:21 < rpifan> just a bit
09:22 < rpifan> thing is july 20 i gotta go to ny
09:22 < rpifan> and once im gone i cant come back down
09:22 < rpifan> even staying till july means finding a new place for a few weeks
09:22 < rpifan> so thats why i say i want the mto let me work from home just a two or 3 weeks
09:23 < rpifan> so that i can get enough to just quit outright
09:23 < rpifan> plus i sitll got my pto
09:23 < rpifan> so im thinkg hte angle im gonna take is, i need to go help gma in nyc and instead of just using my pto id like to work from home, seems like a win to them
09:24 < xe0n> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CR0QMl5juco
09:24 < xe0n> nice
09:25 < MillerBOSS> Wow that is neat
09:25 < rpifan> McDonaldsWiFi, u still connected to that
09:25 < rpifan> oh Hunterkll is back
09:26 < Hunterkll> yup
09:26 < xe0n> maccas free weeffiii
09:26 < Hunterkll> there's the first random reboot while i'm using it!
09:26 < Hunterkll> ITS HAPPENING
09:26 < Hunterkll> THE GRADUAL DEGREDATION OF THE FAILING CPU
09:26 < Hunterkll> i can't wait for that i7-7800X to get here tuesday
09:26 < xe0n> strap yourself in for the ride
09:26 < Hunterkll> lol
09:26 < MillerBOSS> I wonder how the other instruments are set up? Maybe on the application he used? Looks like GragaeBand
09:26 < xe0n> maybe?
09:26 < MillerBOSS> xe0n 👉 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uT3SBzmDxGk
09:26 < xe0n> yeah 2cellos rock
09:27 < MillerBOSS> Never heard of it before
09:27 < xe0n> i love how they do the dunn dunnn
09:27 < MillerBOSS> Yeah for sure
09:28 < MillerBOSS> 3.3million subs they must make a decent cut atom adsense
09:28 < MillerBOSS> from*
09:29 < Sleepy-Potato> later guise
09:29 < MillerBOSS> BUY
09:29 < MillerBOSS> Buh bye
09:30 < xe0n> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3Un3lK8ijw
09:32 < MillerBOSS> A lot of practice right there
09:35 < MillerBOSS> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOjHhS5MtvA I guess this is the real deal
09:38 < rpifan> i might just reformat this linux laptop again
09:38 < rpifan> the machine is new
09:38 < rpifan> but its the same ssd
09:38 < rpifan> ive had for the last 6 or so years
09:38 < rpifan> idk if its just my idea or if its strting to degrade
09:39 < xe0n> work slower
09:39 < xe0n> you wont notice it
09:39 < rpifan> how do i do that
09:40 < xe0n> get stoned
09:40 < xe0n> type only 100 wpm, not 150
09:42 < rpifan> lol
09:42 < rpifan> no
09:42 < rpifan> is ther a way to check for ssd degradation
09:43 < Disconsented> No perfect way
09:43 < Disconsented> crystal disk info gives you a metric
09:43 < rpifan> im on linux
09:46 < MillerBOSS> xe0n 👉 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpjwNa5izzM
09:46 < MillerBOSS> Did you see that?
09:46 < xe0n> LOOL
09:47 < xe0n> thats sick
09:47 < xe0n> id like it even more if i was baked
09:47 < xe0n> butttt i have the folks staying with me for another day lol
09:47 < xe0n> thennnn i will get baked :D
09:48 < xe0n> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8UgMC0fD8Q
09:52 < MillerBOSS> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1JKd1C7izQ
09:52 < MillerBOSS> Wow this is never ending
09:53 < xe0n> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oo6iEqkFnI
09:54 < rpifan> hdparm seems to still show normal numbers
09:56 < xe0n> just replace it, Hunterkll will order you one from amazon
09:59 < MillerBOSS> This guy is a pro at the drums https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVutUldfq20
10:03 < MillerBOSS> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3oNVmSaMsE watching this I think how can I not do this but a 5 year old can? :(
10:05 < MillerBOSS> Must be in the water.
10:10  * MillerBOSS looks at jay-ros 
10:10 < MillerBOSS> How is the documentation going?
10:14 < jay-ros> It's on hold with another project, I'll tell you tomorrow :)
10:16 < MillerBOSS> How goes it otherwise eh?
10:16 < MillerBOSS> Now I want to learn the piano
10:34 < ihre> MillerBOSS: get something like a M-Audio 81key and hook it up to a software synth :)
10:34 < MillerBOSS> I think I will start cheap to see if I even stick with it
10:35 < MillerBOSS> Thats not bad though $180 https://www.amazon.com/M-Audio-Keystation-88-II-Controller/dp/B00IWTS58A/
10:36 < ihre> and second hand probably half of that
10:36 < MillerBOSS> Right I was thinking even maybe Guitar Center round these parts.
10:36 < ihre> the thing is, for playing the piano (not saying I can, just fucked around a little), you need low latency
10:36 < ihre> with linux and a real time kernel i was able to get it to ~2.5-3ms
10:36 < ihre> same hardware on windows with ASIO = 95ms
10:37 < MillerBOSS> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbpVhQa9R2Q&list=PLEoEmqU5JmqzqFnoC6D9vEwTFUJXz89H1&index=3 Been watching piano videos.
10:37 < MillerBOSS> I would use macOS
10:37 < xe0n> i used to have a music studio :)
10:37 < MillerBOSS> I would assume that would be good with that right
10:38 < MillerBOSS> Where did it go?
10:38 < ihre> still depends on the drivers i guess, i've never had a mac so cant comment :P
10:38 < ihre> but, non RT kernel on linux would get me as low as ~15-20ms
10:38 < xe0n> MillerBOSS: had a break in, cleaned me out completely, too hard to start again, insurrance covered the remaining debts i had
10:38 < ihre> fuckkk
10:39 < xe0n> was good fun, i dj'd in melb for a solid 5-6 years, scene is messy, glad to be out of it
10:39 < jay-ros> Sorry, was working on some other stuff (It's already 6.30pm here)
10:40 < jay-ros> MillerBoss: It's going well. I've been working on the documentation but come today I jumped into other stuff - I've rebuilt citrix, rolling out fiber and doing a reconfig of one of our sites, and  bunch of other misc stuff
10:40 < jay-ros> :) It's fun!
10:41 < ihre> xe0n: i;ve been considering buying 2 sl1210s for a while now :p
10:41 < MillerBOSS> xe0n 👉 Wow. Sorry to hear about that.
10:42 < ihre> MillerBOSS: i really enjoy this guy, https://www.youtube.com/user/SynthManiaDotCom
10:42 < MillerBOSS> jay-ros 👉 You stay going well. I have a hard time staying on task. :P
10:42 < ihre> not necessarily the piano, but awesome synth vids
10:42 < MillerBOSS> Thanks ihre
10:43 < ihre> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_hhZP4Mc_Q :D
10:44 < xe0n> MillerBOSS: it's all good, was 5 years ago :)
10:45 < xe0n> i was an ableton guy
10:45 < xe0n> ableton, cdj1000s, djm800 mixer, some midi stuff, blah blah
10:46 < ihre> steve aoki?!
10:46 < xe0n> loll
10:46 < ihre> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgiL7lsIATA&t=800s :3
10:47 < ihre> man, i love that old hardware, 808s, sh-101, juno's
10:47 < xe0n> totally
10:48 < xe0n> jay-ros: 7.15 LSR or whatever they call it?
10:48 < jay-ros> xe0n - yep, that one
10:48 < xe0n> we're planning a new farm using that
10:48 < xe0n> time to replace 6.5 haha
10:49 < xe0n> plus 2008 r2 ;x
10:49 < xe0n> lol
10:49 < jay-ros> Instead of running dc and vda both on two servers side by side, I've set it up as 2 vdas and 2 dcs
10:49 < jay-ros> and it runs a lot better
10:49 < xe0n> yep
10:50 < ihre> MillerBOSS: if you can find one of these, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_XP-80, they are pretty sweet :3
10:51 < ihre> borrowed one from a friend for a year or something, good fun
10:54 < jay-ros> righto, I'm out, later people
11:07 < ihre> lol, gitlab crashes due to the size of my MR, after trying to view the changes >_>
11:27 < ihre> plop: is ceofreak dead ?: P
13:45 < humpaxx> Hey gang
13:45 < humpaxx> Ya´ll GDPR compliant yet?
13:47 < gavit> humpaxx: nothing has changed with GDPR, just the fine got bigger
13:51 < humpaxx> gavit: Is that a ´no´?
13:54 < humpaxx> Maaan, my Synology DS412+ won´t be getting any more mayor releases of DSM..
13:54 < humpaxx> Maybe its time for a newer one
14:01 < gavit> humpaxx: I believe we were already compliant
14:10 < ihre> are jenkins ssh keys only embedded into user xmls ? :|
14:19 < rhqq> ihre: pub keys, right?
14:19 < MillerBOSS> Alright ihre thanks
14:20 < Hunterkll> well that's one way to finish a civ game
14:20 < Hunterkll> i just declared war on every AI At once
14:20 < Hunterkll> :D
14:25 < ihre> rhqq: the private one actually, but preferably the pair, i have a local gitlab server with port 2222 for ssh, so i need to specify a .ssh/config file with an identity and port, the pubkey is presented during pipeline initialization, so i can copy/paste that one to my gitlab server
14:25 < MillerBOSS> Good talk on GDPR here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1oqaFyVcQ0 Matt Cutts is on too!
14:25 < ihre> i guess i could just manually set up a pair and reference those in the .ssh/config, but meh
14:26 < MillerBOSS> This Week In Tech ^
14:26 < ihre> i hate jenkins already :D
14:26 < rhqq> ah, i'll need to look into it. i'm using hudson instead of jenkins
14:26 < rhqq> which was the same other than being shaved off all the java shit
14:26 < ihre> i definitely prefer just gitlab
14:27 < rhqq> whatever floats your goat
14:27 < rhqq> :P
14:28 < rhqq> fsck, stupid openvpn
14:28 < rhqq> To protect against a client passing a maliciously formed username or password string, the username string must consist only of these characters: alphanumeric, underbar ('_'), dash ('-'), dot ('.'), or at ('@'). The password string can consist of any printable characters except for CR or LF. Any illegal characters in either the username or password string will be converted to underbar ('_').
14:29 < rhqq> i had + sign in my username
14:29 < rhqq> fuck me
14:29 < onicrom> lol
14:29 < rhqq> unable to login :D
14:29 < onicrom> we're moving from ghetto fab gitolite to bitbucket because work went all in on atlassian
14:29 < onicrom> and from jenkins to bamboo
14:30 < onicrom> the atlassian suite is meh but it plays really well together so im not too annoyed
14:30 < onicrom> our jenkins setup is pretty sweet, we manually coded pipelines before it existed natively in jenkins
14:30 < rhqq> i just migrated from atlassian
14:30 < onicrom> so our setup, while sweet, is hard to maintain
14:30 < rhqq> not worth the money
14:31 < onicrom> we have 150 slave vms attached to jenkin
14:31 < rhqq> workers?
14:31 < onicrom> and when someone does a PR it spawns test jobs in parallel on as many slaves as test bundles
14:31 < onicrom> nods
14:31 < rhqq> fun
14:31 < onicrom> all tests pass, changes are merged to target branch
14:32 < onicrom> the devs have abused it too much though, no one really takes care of the test config files
14:32 < onicrom> like...what are my deps, what tests need to run based on what git diff file changes
14:32 < onicrom> etc etc
14:33 < onicrom> if the devs did their jobs itd be pretty damn sweet
14:34 < ihre> hmm, "ssh://git@gitlab.lxc.example.lan:2222/root/jenkins-pipes-helloworld.git" works :p
14:34 < ihre> a .ssh/config file doesnt
14:40 < MillerBOSS> This is actually a good episode girls
14:51 < onicrom> they are all horrible people
14:51 < onicrom> except sosh
14:51 < onicrom> MillerBOSS:
14:51 < MillerBOSS> What are you referring to?
14:51 < onicrom> girls
14:51 < MillerBOSS> I was referring to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1oqaFyVcQ0
14:52 < MillerBOSS> You are all girls
14:52 < onicrom> ah
14:52 < MillerBOSS> ;)
14:57 < humpaxx> I can be a girl ... for money
14:57 < MillerBOSS> No, please don't.
14:58 < rhqq> humpaxx: we already have cryptic1 doing that
14:58 < rhqq> that's more than enough
15:02 <@cryptic1> O_o
15:02 < MillerBOSS> Get out of here cryptic1
15:02 < MillerBOSS> Go back to work
15:02 < rhqq> cryptic1: back to work
15:03 < MillerBOSS> Go cut the grass, take out the garbage, etc
15:03 < MillerBOSS> Thanks
15:03 < rhqq> water the lawn
15:03 < MillerBOSS> Yeah
15:03 < MillerBOSS> Clean out the gutters
15:03 <@cryptic1> i am working
15:04 < MillerBOSS> That is not working
15:04 < humpaxx> Damn resellers changing login forms and stuff
15:04 < humpaxx> Chrome can´t keep up and i have to find my password manager again :|
15:04 < MillerBOSS> LastPass?
15:06 < rhqq> ok, so openvpn doesnt support any non-alphanumerical characters for credentials
15:06 < rhqq> how... lame
15:06 < MillerBOSS> You mean like %^&*()!@#$% ?
15:06 < rhqq> yeah
15:06 < rhqq> well, it does @
15:06 < rhqq> and that's it
15:06 < rhqq> so you can use email address.... but well
15:07 < rhqq> im using labels from gmail (that are rfc compliant)
15:07 < MillerBOSS> Thats wrong
15:07 < MillerBOSS> rLCtrkG@0N#^6MFM4R4xseWBd&^%iT10*bKL6xoI70M
15:07 < rhqq> so i have mynormalname+vpnservice@gmail.com
15:07 < MillerBOSS> Is a password for one of my VPNs
15:07 < MillerBOSS> That uses OpenVPN on pfSense
15:07 < MillerBOSS> Unless I don't understand fully what you are up against.
15:07 < rhqq> all printable chars are available for password
15:08 < rhqq> but not for usernmaes
15:08 < MillerBOSS> Oh
15:08 < MillerBOSS> username
15:08 < rhqq> yeah, i should have specified
15:08 < rhqq> my bad
15:08 < MillerBOSS> Its OK
15:08 < MillerBOSS> I still generate via last pass but no special characters
15:08 < MillerBOSS> I generate all the usernames I can. I wish email address was not used as a username for venfors.
15:09 < MillerBOSS> Security questions even
15:09 < MillerBOSS> My first car: zE$yH74Pa$7hfX$#xk6Q7!67
15:09 < MillerBOSS> :P
15:10 < rhqq> i guess it made to –2147483648mph
15:11 < MillerBOSS> This makes sense though
15:11 < MillerBOSS> To protect against a client passing a maliciously formed username or password string, the username string must consist only of these characters: alphanumeric, underbar ('_'), dash ('-'), dot ('.'), or at ('@'). The password string can consist of any printable characters except for CR or LF. Any illegal characters in either the username or password string will be converted to underbar ('_').
15:11 < MillerBOSS> Oh you posted that above
15:13 < rhqq> yeah
15:13 < rhqq> so + sign is a no-go
15:13 < rhqq> i tried escaping that or trying whatever
15:13 < MillerBOSS> Oh I understand what you mean now.
15:13 < MillerBOSS> The + issue
15:14 < MillerBOSS> You do +vendor for all email addresses for vendors or what?
15:14 < rhqq> yeah
15:14 < MillerBOSS> For filters in Gmail or what?
15:14 < rhqq> so i know where does the spam come from =]
15:14 < MillerBOSS> Oh. That sounds like a lot of work
15:14 < rhqq> yes, filters usually
15:14 < rhqq> not really
15:14 < MillerBOSS> Are you watching the This Week In Tech episode?
15:14 < rhqq> i have like 40 filters by now, inbox is colorful as pride parade
15:14 < rhqq> nah
15:15 < MillerBOSS> Matt Cutts on the show was an early employee at Google.
15:15 < MillerBOSS> Made SPAM filtering really good with Gmail
15:15 < rhqq> im trying to cut youtube as far as possible
15:15 < MillerBOSS> Cut?
15:15 < rhqq> out of my life
15:15 < rhqq> it sucks way too much time
15:16 < Jekotia> I love the EU and how their GDPR is basically forcing everyone to adopt better practices
15:16 < rhqq> Jekotia: thats not true really
15:16 < MillerBOSS> Yeah piss on them is my thinking on it Jekotia :P
15:16 < rhqq> because companies that were shady.. will remain shady
15:16 < MillerBOSS> This is how the world turns
15:17 < Jekotia> rhqq: Oh I by no means thinbk it fixes everything
15:17 < rhqq> its a dead regulation
15:17 < rhqq> from the day 0
15:17 < rhqq> because it doesnt protect us in any way really
15:17 < rhqq> also eu law does not span to countries outside of eu
15:18 < XV8> Why do people in DevOps make it sound like sysadmins are going to be obsolete?
15:18 < rhqq> XV8: because devs are "i know it all" type of people
15:18 < rhqq> and think we're doing nothing
15:18 < Jekotia> Anyone know of any working guides for running Mac OSX in a vm? Really hard for me to support the company mac users... without access to a mac to try anything on :|
15:18 < rhqq> while underestimating everything that we actually care of
15:20 < MillerBOSS> Jekotia 👉 May I suggest getting a Mac mini and run ESXi
15:20 < MillerBOSS> Else if you got the money go to https://www.macstadium.com/
15:22 < XV8> I usually find cheap Mac stuff on Mac of All Trades.
15:22 < MillerBOSS> Jekotia 👉 Else you can do https://github.com/DrDonk/unlocker
15:22 < MillerBOSS> I can help if you want it
15:23 < Jekotia> MillerBOSS: What IS unlocker? The readme fails to mention that...
15:24 < MillerBOSS> So you can use VMware hypervisors on non Macintosh hardware and be able to install and run macOS
15:24 < Jekotia> Ok, so basically a compatability patch?
15:24 < Trodan> "rhqq: because it doesnt protect us in any way really" By "us" you mean USA citizens ?
15:24 < MillerBOSS> Been around for some time https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/files/file/339-unlocker/
15:24 < rhqq> Trodan: no, i'm from eu, i meant european ppl
15:25 < rhqq> or any people really, since gdpr and its per-country implementations are just to annoy small companies
15:25 < rhqq> that dont have legal depts, so whoever was taking care of business will now have to talk to local gdpr inspectors and do all the shit
15:25 < Trodan> Well, i'm in France and i disagree, it already made significant changes here. It does not fully protect anyone but it still a great leap.
15:26 < rhqq> and gdpr-enforcing institutions are going to be self-founded
15:26 < rhqq> so their sole purpose is to dig deep enough to find any minor issues just to fine the companies
15:27 < rhqq> and again, it's going to be mostly small small businesses
15:32 < rhqq> hmm, yeah. my internet sucks
15:48  * MillerBOSS waves to dbcc 
15:51 < dbcc> hello
15:51 < MillerBOSS> How goes it eh?
15:51 < rhqq> EHLO
15:51 < dbcc> its ok
15:51 < MillerBOSS> Done working 3rd shift?
15:51 < pupp3r> hello fronds
15:53 < dbcc> yes ive been on 1st for a while now
15:53 < MillerBOSS> Much better I bet.
15:53 < dbcc> eh
15:53 < dbcc> its got it's plusses and minuses
15:54 < MillerBOSS> Yeah. Well don't be such a lurker. :P
15:55 < Alternity> how many vacation and sick days do people have
15:55 < Alternity> place i'm at gives 18 pto per year which seems above average for usa (sadly)
15:55 < Alternity> also 'unlimited' PTO policies should be illegal
15:55 < MillerBOSS> No paid time off here where I work.
15:56 < Alternity> contract?
15:56 < MillerBOSS> Nah
15:56 < dbcc> i lurk for reasons other than shift
15:56 < MillerBOSS> I know dbcc :P Well type more in this channel :)
15:56 < dbcc> i get 27 days Alternity
15:56 < Alternity> that seems good, combined pto?
15:58 < dbcc> yea and then we get another 3ish days for volunteer time
16:00 < MillerBOSS> Well this is rather interesting https://github.com/DanielnetoDotCom/YouPHPTube
16:01 < dbcc> Alternity i get another week in about 2-3 weeks since i hit 3 years
16:01 < Alternity> do you have max pto cap?
16:01 < dbcc> i think they give another week at 7 years, i dont know if theres a max cap or anything
16:08 < rhqq> https://i.imgur.com/Kw5blz2.jpg
16:08 < Hunterkll> shit
16:08 < Hunterkll> i found a server cryptic1 configured
16:09 < Hunterkll> https://i.imgur.com/EYWZlh0.png
16:09 <+ktechmidas> oops
16:10 <+ktechmidas> strange
16:10 <+ktechmidas> whoever configured that even missed one drive
16:10 < Hunterkll> you're strange
16:10 <+ktechmidas> they didn't even use the whole thing
16:10 <+ktechmidas> and yeah, I'm aware :P
16:10 < Hunterkll> huh?
16:10 < Hunterkll> how do you figure ?
16:11 < Hunterkll> they're all assigned
16:11 < Hunterkll> have to be
16:11 <+ktechmidas> total free capacity
16:11 < Hunterkll> 25.464 / 8 = 3.183
16:11 < Hunterkll> ya
16:11 < Hunterkll> free capacity suspiciously same as failed drive
16:11 < Hunterkll> hm
16:11 < Hunterkll> you're right
16:11 < Hunterkll> i'm wrong
16:12 < Hunterkll> still
16:12 < Hunterkll> ktechmidas, maybe they left a hotspare for the raid0
16:12 <+ktechmidas> hah
16:12 <+ktechmidas> it'd be nice if the one you weren't using died, I guess that didn't happen?
16:13 <+ktechmidas> I think whever set it up just saw 7 and did 3.6*7 and figured that'll do
16:13 < Hunterkll> lol
16:14 < Hunterkll> i'lll go with hotspare for raid0
16:14 <+ktechmidas> Kinda feel sorry for the guy... such shoddy work, but the fastest way, must've been either on his way out or at rock bottom
16:14 <+ktechmidas> :P
16:14 < Hunterkll> nah
16:14 < Hunterkll> totes was cryptic1
16:17 < dbcc> time to install weechat on my new work pc
16:21 < dbcc> https://youtu.be/OgImEeX8-PI
16:24 < MillerBOSS> Is that your new ride dbcc ?
16:25 <@JollyRgrs> the "chrome"... is a nice touch
16:25 < Jekotia> MillerBOSS: The VM boots! Thanks for pointing me towards Unlocker
16:26 < MillerBOSS> What did you use as the hypervisor Jekotia?
16:26 < MillerBOSS> You are welcome
16:26 < Jekotia> VMware Player
16:26 < MillerBOSS> And you must have found an iSO or made one of macOS install?
16:26 < MillerBOSS> Just make sure to install VMware tools
16:26 < Jekotia> I found a guide that included a patched ISO, for unlocker use
16:27 < MillerBOSS> Oh yucky
16:27 < MillerBOSS> I wouldn't trust taht
16:27 < MillerBOSS> You don't need a patched ISO
16:27 < MillerBOSS> I can share a vanilla ISO if you want one
16:27 < Jekotia> Everything I've read is that the vanilla OS won't run on non-Apple hardware
16:27 < MillerBOSS> Of course it will
16:27 < Jekotia> The patches circumvent that
16:28 < Jekotia> Oh
16:28 < MillerBOSS> The unlocked for the hypervisor is all you need.
16:28 < dbcc> JollyRgrs wanna play some fortnite in a few
16:28 < MillerBOSS> For a hackintosh you just need kext files and a boot loader but still use the vanilla ISO. Who knows what someone put in there is all I am saying
16:28 < dbcc> once i get freerdp working
16:28 <@JollyRgrs> sure
16:30 < MillerBOSS> Also Jekotia to properly change the resolution this will help cscreen http://www.pyehouse.com/cscreen/
16:30 < MillerBOSS> Since its a VM
16:30 < Jekotia> MillerBOSS: Fair point. In retrospect, downloading a vmdk file probably wasn't the best decision.
16:30 < MillerBOSS> You have Macs there right?
16:31 < Jekotia> Not in this building.
16:31 < MillerBOSS> Can you remote into one?
16:31 < Jekotia> Remote support for an OS that isn't even in the building... YAY
16:31 < Jekotia> It would be a huge hassle. All the mac's are individuals workstations
16:32 < Jekotia> But possible
16:32 < Jekotia> Also, that ISO would be much appreciated
16:33 < MillerBOSS> I can share sure but I was gonna say this is how you make one yourself https://millerboss.com/x/note-WaPkydWWl4-G.txt
16:33 < dbcc> JollyRgrs  i cant discord tho since im doing coverage for root
16:33 < dbcc> er
16:33 < dbcc> s/root/work
16:34 <@JollyRgrs> lol
16:34 <@JollyRgrs> root on the brain?
16:34 < Jekotia> MillerBOSS: Yea, that would never work... Our remote sites are retail locations with pretty crap internet connections
16:34 < dbcc> i looked at my laptop and i said root
16:34 < dbcc> so i typed what i saw
16:34 < MillerBOSS> Ahh gotchya. OK give me a few to upload it Jekotia
16:35 < Jekotia> I used to work at one of those retail locations... I shit you not uploading images as email attachments would saturate our connection and take everything else down for the duration
16:37 < MillerBOSS> This is from October https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxLetNMsTJeSMnhCeHZYSUVENTA/view so you will just need to run updates.
16:38 < Jekotia> TY!
16:38 < MillerBOSS> What do the Macs do in retail?
16:38 < MillerBOSS> You are welcome. How long will the download take?
16:38 < MillerBOSS> So I can kill the link
16:39 < Jekotia> IDK. It's literally realising the size of the download as it acquires the data
16:39 < MillerBOSS> Its around 5.5GB
16:39 < Jekotia> It's constantly at "Downloaded X of X"
16:39 < MillerBOSS> Yup
16:39 < Jekotia> So no estimate
16:39 < MillerBOSS> OK just ping me when its done
16:39 < Jekotia> ~10MB/s tho
16:39 < Jekotia> Kk
16:39 < MillerBOSS> Great
16:39 < Jekotia> As to the usage question
16:40 < MillerBOSS> What do the Macs do in retail?
16:40 < Jekotia> Mostly they're for demoing software
16:40 < dbcc> JollyRgrs he had a gun, i didnt :(
16:40 < Jekotia> The retail side is musical instruments, recording, & PA
16:40 < MillerBOSS> Really? That is interesting
16:41 < Jekotia> MacOS is, seemingly, the more common OS used in the recording industry
16:41 < MillerBOSS> Yeah
16:42 < Church-> dbcc: Huh, assumed you were dead/
16:42 < dbcc> i just choose to not participate
16:44 < Jekotia> MillerBOSS: One of the retail locations also has offices above it.
16:44 < Jekotia> It's really weird actually
16:44 < MillerBOSS> Sounds like it
16:44 < MillerBOSS> ;)
16:44 < Jekotia> You walk in and it's a normal retail store
16:44 < Jekotia> And there's some stairs in the open, near the center of the store
16:45 < Jekotia> And you walk up there, and there's no door or walls or anything. The offices are effectively a balcony overlooking the store
16:45 < Jekotia> And suddenly you've entered one of our distributors
16:45 < Jekotia> Who TF designed this?
16:46 < MillerBOSS> Maybe they are growing?
16:47 < Jekotia> MillerBOSS: Download complete. Thanks!
16:48 < MillerBOSS> You are welcome. Any issues let me know.
16:51 < sideup66> Why y'all ping me at night
16:51 < Jekotia> sideup66: Because it's always daytime somewhere
16:52 < ivanux> Hi all, I just published a post in sysadmin reddit and when I was writing it I discover the link in the side to this IRC channel. So, yes... Hi all :)
16:53 < Jekotia> ivanux: gREETINGS. gO AWAY <3
16:53 < Jekotia> Derp, caps fail
16:53 < MillerBOSS> Hi ivanux
16:54 < Jekotia> ^
16:54 < Jekotia> MillerBOSS: It no work :c SIts at apple logo and progress bar for a while, bar gets maybe half full, then reboots
16:55 < MillerBOSS> OK give me a few mintues
16:55 < MillerBOSS> That may be a bad iso
16:55 < MillerBOSS> I just made one 3 days ago but I got to upload it
16:55 < Jekotia> I hate docker versioning
16:56 < Jekotia> It's an inconsistent mess between the docs and docker --version
16:56 < sideup66> It's also 5 o'clock somewhere
16:58 < Atro> its 6 PM here
16:58 < MillerBOSS> Looks like 20 after the hours it will be done Jekotia
16:58 < MillerBOSS> hour*
16:58 < ivanux> 5:00 PM here :)
16:58 < Atro> EEST, 17:58
16:59 < Jekotia> MillerBOSS: Thanks
16:59 < MillerBOSS> You bet
17:00 < rhqq> ahh, theres nothing better for breakfast than a big-ass schnitzel
17:01 < MillerBOSS> Way to stick it to ICANN https://www.techmeme.com/180527/p8#a180527p8 >ICANN files for injunction against German domain registrar who said it will stop collecting WHOIS data because of GDPR
17:02 < rpifan> whois is bad ok
17:02 < MillerBOSS> This sounds like #fakenews https://twitter.com/carnage4life/status/1000964282421428226 >Domain name registrar decides to stop collecting contact information as part of selling domains given #GDPR. ICANN freaks out since this breaks WHOIS and takes them to court.
17:02 < MillerBOSS> A reminder that #GDPR makes collecting contact info as toxic as SSN/CC numbers
17:02 < Hunterkll> yes, they're required to maintain the contact info, but return sanitized WHOIS data
17:02 < Atro> GDPR let me test my MITM SSL DLP solution :>
17:03 < Hunterkll> but still required to have the info for court orders and shit
17:03 < Atro> i can block facebook messages by regex :>
17:03 < MillerBOSS> Well this guy says its as toxic as SSN/CC numbers
17:03 < Hunterkll> that guys an idiot
17:04 < Hunterkll> MillerBOSS, especially so since he's a fucking advertising exec
17:04 < MillerBOSS> Yeah for BING
17:04 < MillerBOSS> lol
17:04 < Hunterkll> MillerBOSS, you'd be surprised how pervasive those networks actually are without you realizing it
17:07 < MillerBOSS> I like this guy https://twitter.com/whoisvaibhav/status/1000868737011011584 #GDPR will get ridiculous before it gets serious.
17:07 < MillerBOSS> This is like saying, the city will sell you a house, but will not keep a record of who it sold the house to.
17:07 < MillerBOSS> #GDPRJoke
17:11 < Hunterkll> lol
17:11 < Hunterkll> MillerBOSS, it got ridiculous on day 1 with that 8.8bil lawsuit against google and facebook
17:11 < Hunterkll> lulz
17:11 < MillerBOSS> By some rando
17:11 < Hunterkll> privacy activist lawyer
17:11 < Hunterkll> ambulance chaser
17:11 < MillerBOSS> Oh
17:12 < MillerBOSS> https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/gdpr-comments-contracted-parties-cph-timeline-icann-proposed-compliance-models-26mar18-en.pdf
17:12 < Jekotia> God dammit
17:13  * Jekotia realises most of his work Docker problems are from installing from the centos repo and not the official docker repo
17:13 < MillerBOSS> Yeah you'll have that
17:14 < Hunterkll> Jekotia, keep filing redhat tickets tilll they fix theirs
17:14 < Hunterkll> :P
17:14 < Hunterkll> but
17:14 < Hunterkll> 99% of the problems i see in production are from people installing shit from non-distro repos
17:14 < Hunterkll> :)
17:15 < Jekotia> Hunterkll: It's not that it's broken. It's that it's OLD AF
17:15 < Jekotia> Latest docker is 18.X
17:15 < Hunterkll> that's called /stability/
17:15 < Jekotia> They provide 1.X
17:15 < Hunterkll> i know developers don't like to hear that word
17:15 < Jekotia> There are PLENTY of stable versions between 1 and 18
17:15 < Hunterkll> it's also providing known central patching so that operations and security can validate via scanning tools
17:15 < Hunterkll> :)
17:16 < Jekotia> And 1.X is pretty crippled
17:16 < Hunterkll> which RHEL? 7?
17:16 < Jekotia> Yea
17:16 < Jekotia> I was having the simplist of things fail in my dockerfiles because of the version
17:16 < Atro>  fucking hell, 2 extended weekends is too much free time!
17:16 < Jekotia> It was failing to handle yum anything -y
17:17  * Atro chugs vodka and plays factorio
17:17 < Jekotia> And instead saying the user exited
17:17 < Hunterkll> Jekotia, sounds like you might be using the wrong version...
17:17 < Hunterkll> :P
17:17 < Jekotia> Hunterkll: Exactly :P
17:18 < Hunterkll> i meant from the RHEL repos
17:18 < Jekotia> Hence me switching to official repo
17:18 < Hunterkll> Jekotia, there's docker and docker-latest in rhel-7-server-extras
17:18 < MillerBOSS> Jekotia 👉 https://storage.googleapis.com/shitshow/_OS_X_ISOs/macOS.High.Sierra.10.13.4.iso
17:18 < Jekotia> Brb, gonna reboot into bios. Realised I never checked how this system was configured when I migrated last week
17:18 < Hunterkll> Jekotia, deviating from the RHEL supplied dockers will screw you up :P
17:18 < Hunterkll> if you use any included tools
17:18 < Jekotia> Gotta be sure the virtualisation shit is preperly enabled
17:19 < MillerBOSS> OK
17:19 < Hunterkll> Jekotia, oh, you know, you're not actually that far out of date
17:19 < Hunterkll> Jekotia, that 1.13 ? that's the docker CS version
17:20 < Hunterkll> 2017-12-13
17:20 < Hunterkll> commercially supported
17:20 < Hunterkll> https://docs.docker.com/cs-engine/1.13/release-notes/
17:20 < Hunterkll> aka you can get support when shit fucks up
17:20 < Hunterkll> :P
17:20 < Hunterkll> Jekotia, 1.13.1-cs4 backported all fixes from 17.03.2 for example
17:21 < Hunterkll> so you're reading the version numbers wrong
17:21 < Hunterkll> and doing it wrong
17:21 < Hunterkll> at the same time! :D
17:21 < Hunterkll> the latest RHEL 7.5 has that version
17:22 < Hunterkll> so you've got december's latest
17:23 < Hunterkll> lrn2docker
17:23 < pcspkr> I run git tip in prod, yolo
17:31 < varesa> Jekotia: docker did a weird version jump from 1.13 to 17
17:32 < pcspkr> that made it 10x more mature overnight
17:35 < Jekotia> Hunterkll: Well right now we're just trialing docker for internal use. The lack of multistage builds in the centos repo is a dealbreaker
17:35 < MillerBOSS> Did you see the link Jekotia also the SHA1 hash is F76D77A3AD56550A145F19005AC052E59B818DA9
17:35 < Jekotia> MillerBOSS: Just clickec it. Thanks!
17:36 < DLSteve> varesa, they changed from a semver formate to a date format for versioning.
17:37 < Hunterkll> varesa, yea, and the commercially supported version is 1.13 with 17 fixes backported
17:37 < Hunterkll> lol
17:38 < varesa> ah, that makes sense. I'm bad at recognizing dates in version numbers
17:38 < varesa> I just recently heard that the Ubuntu releases are actually year.month (not an ubuntu user primarily)
17:38 < Jekotia> That explains why varesa isn't allowed within 1KM of a playground
17:39 < Jekotia> That sounded better in my hed. Sorry varesa :(
17:39 < Jekotia> *head
17:39 < varesa> haha
17:40 <@JollyRgrs> hey varesa .... can we just call you vesa for short?
17:40 < Jekotia> JollyRgrs: Ew, no
17:40 <@JollyRgrs> Jekotia: it works better if you use freedom units like miles
17:40 < Jekotia> That leads to disgusting jokes
17:40 <@JollyRgrs> and varesa yeah, unbuntu releases are easy to tell when they happen... april and oct of every year
17:40 < Jekotia> (like mine)
17:41 <@JollyRgrs> then you look at MSFT's build numbers for win10 and you go "OOOOOOOoooohhhhh"
17:42 < varesa> I guess it might have sparked if I followed either of them closely
17:43 < varesa> I'm just happy knowing that RHEL/CentOS 7.5 and Fedora 28 are the latest :)
17:45 < DLSteve> JollyRgrs, Win 10 build numbers are different than release version :P
17:45 < Jekotia> I love how I can just pop open a shell and set a loop to do nothing while it waits for a file to download in my browser, and then automatically kick things off once the download is complete
17:46 < Jekotia> It's like DIY hindsight, after the fact
17:46 < MillerBOSS> Like what?
17:46 < Jekotia> *DIY foresight
17:47 < DLSteve> Jekotia, Thats basically how all event based software works :P
17:47 <@JollyRgrs> DLSteve: they mix up their own naming with that
17:47 < Jekotia> MillerBOSS: I could have used my shell to download the ISO and then SHA check it automatically on completion. Used browser instead. Now it's looping while it waits for the DL to finish so it can check it and then launch vmware player
17:48 < MillerBOSS> Wow interesting.
17:48 < Jekotia> while [ ! -e macOS.High.Sierra.10.13.4.iso ] ; do ; sleep 1 ; done && sha1sum macOS.High.Sierra.10.13.4.iso | grep "F76D77A3AD56550A145F19005AC052E59B818DA9"
17:48 < Jekotia> And it does NOT match
17:49 <@JollyRgrs> DLSteve: but yeah, i meant release, not build
17:49 < Jekotia> MillerBOSS: Download is b90043e167aa2d0e11ddb94adc49cebc2e7597c9
17:49 < DLSteve> I did not realize Apple released macOS on ISOs :P
17:49 < MillerBOSS> Well thats weird
17:49 <@JollyRgrs> DLSteve: they do?
17:49 < DLSteve> no
17:49 <@JollyRgrs> oh, nvm, isee
17:49 <@JollyRgrs> lol
17:49 < dbcc> JollyRgrs: fuckin between gold 3 and gold 4
17:49 < dbcc> just back and forth
17:49 < dbcc> like a yoyo
17:52 < MillerBOSS> I am checking that again Jekotia
17:52 < Hempux> Ah dangit, i rebooted my NAS earlier and ZBC didn't rejoin #reddit-sysadmin :(
17:52 < MillerBOSS> b90043e167aa2d0e11ddb94adc49cebc2e7597c9
17:54 < MillerBOSS> I never did it this way Jekotia but the first hash was from using https://objective-see.com/products/whatsyoursign.html 2nd time I used terminal
17:54 < MillerBOSS> Its doing something different there >WhatsYourSign will also compute hashes for any item. Note that for Application bundles the hash values represent the hash of main executable binary. Simply click on the 'view hashes' text to view an item's MD5, SHA1, and SHA256 hashes:
17:54 < MillerBOSS> So you are good. Hope it boots
17:56 < XV8> I love it when a user just assumes you're going to chase down a solution to a problem that's not your jurisdiction or responsibility.
17:58 < kuahara> man
17:59 < kuahara> I got banned from /r/politics in March for saying something stupid.  Sounded funny at the time.
17:59 < kuahara> 2 US Marshals and an FBI agent showed up where I work and interrogated me for 30 minutes over it
18:00 < Jekotia> Same result. I'm going to kill VMware player and install the latest version fresh, start the entire process over
18:00 < MillerBOSS> How did they get notified kuahara?
18:00 < kuahara> I have no idea.
18:00 < sideup66> https://youtu.be/hucm-iHNcIs
18:00 < kuahara> And they made it clear I wasn't getting an answer to that question.  said it doesn't matter how they know
18:00 < sideup66> Pretty amusing foray into win 3.1 and 95 networking
18:00 < kuahara> I have to assume someone is being paid to scrub and filter the data
18:01 < MillerBOSS> What question?
18:01 < kuahara> pussy as those mods are, I doubt they reported it
18:01 < Jekotia> XV8: It's even better when it's not even an actual problem and them just needing to learn how to use the software
18:01 < MillerBOSS> Oh that question.
18:02 < Jekotia> XV8: A few weeks ago I had to help someone that coulkdn't open files, and they couldn't even tell me what program they used for those files. I'm like "I don't know everything ever. If YOU don't know what software you use, how am I supposed to fix the fil association?" :|
18:03 <@JollyRgrs> kuahara: understand that obama farmed the HELL out of reddit to determine what kind of voters that users were
18:03 <@JollyRgrs> *obama's team
18:03 < kuahara> my remark was about devos
18:03 < kuahara> there was a post that made front page about her union busting
18:03 <@JollyRgrs> they would run stuff that would cross-ref your account on reddit to facebook and other places
18:04 < kuahara> someone in the comments said something about her being accused of blah (I forget what) and I said I'd rather find out she was accused of having been found with a bullet in the back of the head.  I thought it was just a snarky funny comment.
18:04 < MillerBOSS> Jekotia 👉 See step 27 https://www.sysnettechsolutions.com/en/vmware/install-macos-sierra-in-vmware-workstation-14/ I think I remember having to do that for VMs
18:04 < kuahara> Apparently I can talk all the shit I want, but the line I crossed was that what I said was actionable.
18:04 <@JollyRgrs> kuahara: threats?
18:04 < kuahara> they took it as a threat
18:05 <@JollyRgrs> yeah
18:05 <@JollyRgrs> "and let that be a lesson, son"
18:05 < kuahara> had to answer 30 minutes of their questions.  I'll be honest, I was scared as shit.
18:05 < MillerBOSS> That makes sense though. Better to grill your ass than not check it out :P
18:07 < MillerBOSS> Also Jekotia you can do it the KVM way too https://github.com/kholia/OSX-KVM
18:08 <@JollyRgrs> so much work just to get a crappy OS working in a VM
18:09 <+AnonymooseWork> oy JollyRgrs
18:09 <+AnonymooseWork> not off today?
18:09 <@JollyRgrs> hey AnonymooseWork
18:09 <@JollyRgrs> i am off today
18:09 <@JollyRgrs> i'm about to go walk the dog in the blistering hot humidity
18:09 <+AnonymooseWork> :D
18:09 <+AnonymooseWork> fun times
18:09 <@JollyRgrs> yup
18:09 <+AnonymooseWork> sounds ruff
18:10 <+AnonymooseWork> :D
18:10 <+AnonymooseWork> i'm at work today
18:10 <+AnonymooseWork> we had our day off last week
18:10 < Jekotia> MillerBOSS: I did step 27 already. It was part of the guide I used initially. WHen I tried without that, vmware just errors
18:11 < MillerBOSS> Whats your main OS?
18:11 < MillerBOSS> That you have this all on
18:12 < Jekotia> Windows 10 Pro x64, 1709
18:12 < MillerBOSS> Did you see number 3 at https://github.com/DrDonk/unlocker
18:14 < MillerBOSS> This looks like an updated fork https://github.com/virtualex-itv/unlocker
18:15 < MillerBOSS> But maybe just for ESXi 6.7
18:16 < Jekotia> MillerBOSS: Thanks, I'll take a peek in an hour or so. I'm going to watch Westworld on my lunch
18:16  * MillerBOSS nods
18:20 < Casteil> god damn my deck gets hot
18:22 < Casteil> hit it with my IR thermometer after scorching my feet... 155f
18:22 < MillerBOSS> Get a canopy
18:23 < Casteil> I have trees
18:23 < Casteil> it's noon and the upper deck area is already shaded
18:23 < Casteil> just the lower pool deck is getting direct sunlight right now
18:26 < fredopasta> I'll give you my upper decker
18:49 <@JollyRgrs> our neighborhood builder thought it'd be a good idea to just take down EVERY SINGLE TREE while developing it... and not plant back a single one
18:49 <@JollyRgrs> :(
18:50 <+AnonymooseWork> :(
18:50 <+AnonymooseWork> that... sucks JollyRgrs
18:50 <+AnonymooseWork> our city goes around and plants trees in new subdivisions
18:50 <+AnonymooseWork> but they have to be on the city easement
18:56 < Giant81> is there any good place to get a copy of win 7 pro OEM that I can use on an HP?
18:56 <@JollyRgrs> ours just requires ponds to be built to collect runoff rainwater
18:57 <@JollyRgrs> OEM?
18:57 < Giant81> the windows support download site just rejects me because it's an OEM key
18:57 <@JollyRgrs> Giant81: you can edit a file on the iso to make it compat to a certain OEM
18:57 <@JollyRgrs> at least i think... you could in XP
18:57 < Giant81> and HP doesn't allow me to get the recovery disks, I suspect it's just too old
18:57 <@JollyRgrs> djlizard used to have a sit about it
18:57 <+AnonymooseWork> Giant81 you gonna upgrade it to windows 10?
18:57 < Giant81> could see if I Can get a dell oem disk and try that maybe
18:58 < Giant81> it's an old HP 4530s with an i5 if it would run 10 fine, I don't see why not
18:58 < Giant81> but I only have a 7 key
19:00 < abakedapplepie> SO USE THE 7 KEY
19:01 < abakedapplepie> er caps
19:01 < abakedapplepie> it still works
19:01 <+AnonymooseWork> lol
19:01 < Giant81> wait they still let you get win10 with a 7 key?
19:01 < abakedapplepie> yes
19:01 < Giant81> I thought that promo ended last year
19:01 < abakedapplepie> sure
19:01 < abakedapplepie> but it still works :)
19:01 <@JollyRgrs> Giant81: google "how to make oem win7 iso"
19:01 <@JollyRgrs> ibet you'll find some results
19:02 < MillerBOSS> Or https://forums.mydigitallife.net/forums/windows-7.16/
19:02 < abakedapplepie> and also he doesnt need an oem iso
19:02 < abakedapplepie> he just cant get the microsoft download to work for retail with his oem key
19:02 <@JollyRgrs> dbcc: woo! finally got my diamond back
19:02 <@JollyRgrs> now to NOT PLAY that rank anymore until tomorrow
19:02 <+TuxedoJack> Whoopdy-shit, slui 3 and call it in
19:02 < dbcc> must be nice
19:02 < dbcc> i keep getting tards
19:03 < dbcc> one guy kept talking about how he was gonna beat us all up in real life
19:03 <+NinjaStyle> anyone use multiple credit cards that have yearly fees?
19:03 <@JollyRgrs> https://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/219487-clean-reinstall-factory-oem-windows-7-a.html#post1839164
19:03 < silentfury-s4pro> yes
19:03 < silentfury-s4pro> it depends on the rewards those CC's have
19:03 <@JollyRgrs> dbcc: lol, sorry
19:03 < abakedapplepie> also here Giant81 https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B6bNnleDp7llcGdMR3FEcjRjTGM
19:03 <+NinjaStyle> silentfury-s4pro: i cant really find a reason why i need both
19:03 < silentfury-s4pro> I have an Amex/Visa cashback cc that's well worth the yearly fees.
19:03 <@JollyRgrs> If your licensed version is unavailable you can unlock all versions in any ISO by running ei.cfg removal tool or by deleting ei.cfg file from Sources folder on bootable flash stick. Check the HASH first before unlocking the ISO.
19:04 < dbcc> this whole yo-yoing thing is getting old
19:04 <@JollyRgrs> i always hit those thigns at the upper end of the rank
19:04 <@JollyRgrs> like gold 3 div 3/4 or plat 3 div 3/4
19:04 <@JollyRgrs> all the tards that just can't make it to the next level
19:04 <@JollyRgrs> they weigh down those who CAN make it
19:04 <+NinjaStyle> silentfury-s4pro: i kinda want to get an amex one and get rid of one of the visas, but it's my longest line of credit
19:04 < Jekotia_> .
19:05 < Hunterkll> Giant81, you don't have one of the two thigns required for authorization to use the software
19:05 < silentfury-s4pro> NinjaStyle: depending on the card, you can usually get the same $ amount if you're signing up as a new customer.
19:05 < Hunterkll> Giant81, yes, the promo ended in 2016. ;)
19:05 < Hunterkll> Giant81, Authorization to use the software is granted from two things: Valid activation AND a legitimate license. :)
19:05 <+NinjaStyle> silentfury-s4pro: i just mean as far as credit score, i cant close my oldest line
19:06 < Hunterkll> NinjaStyle, so just keep it ?
19:06 <+NinjaStyle> but its 100 bucks / yr
19:06 < Hunterkll> so close it?
19:06 < Hunterkll> it's not gonna hurt you that much
19:06 < Hunterkll> lol
19:06 < Hunterkll> i'm about to close my oldest line in a few months
19:06 < Hunterkll> *shrug*
19:06 <+NinjaStyle> :(
19:06 <@JollyRgrs> Hunterkll: but 2 yrs isn't really "old" :P
19:07 < Hunterkll> LOL
19:07 < Hunterkll> pfff
19:07 <@JollyRgrs> i've had my one visa since i was 16
19:07 < Hunterkll> actually, my average is pretty good considering i chapter 7'd in 2011 or so
19:07 < Hunterkll> 2 years 2 mos average and that includes the new one i just opened up
19:07 <+NinjaStyle> i have the chase sapphire preferred and the venture card
19:07 < Hunterkll> this month
19:07 <@JollyRgrs> but i went from gold card to plat, etc... not sure if that means it lost the dates in the change
19:07 < Hunterkll> oh i like the venture
19:08 <+NinjaStyle> and the venture is better so i always use it
19:09 <+NinjaStyle> maybe i will swap sapphire for the southwest one
19:09 < silentfury-s4pro> i have 1 of each
19:09 < silentfury-s4pro> amex/visa/mc
19:09 < silentfury-s4pro> visa is the only one that gets consistent use anymore
19:09 < silentfury-s4pro> amex hoonestly, i only kept for front of the line
19:09 < Hunterkll> my amex gets 2x points on uber
19:09 < Hunterkll> lol
19:10 <+NinjaStyle> Hunterkll: do you have the delta amex?
19:10 < silentfury-s4pro> but onestly, front of the line isn't really worth anything anymore
19:10 < Hunterkll> then i use it to get special fare rate plane tickets
19:10 < Hunterkll> for better rewards mileage
19:10 < Hunterkll> NinjaStyle, nah just a straight from amex amex
19:10 < Hunterkll> plus, i only fly american if i can help it anyway
19:10 <+NinjaStyle> yeah american is nice
19:10 < Hunterkll> i have american's red aviator mastercard
19:10 < Hunterkll> 25% off inflight purchasese + miles
19:11 < Hunterkll> and if i spend $25k in a calendar year i get $3k EQD added to my status balance
19:11 < Hunterkll> lol
19:12 <+NinjaStyle> idk, i may just swap my sapphire for soutwest rapid rewards and call it a day
19:12 <+NinjaStyle> if chase will let me do it without closing the card
19:13 < abakedapplepie> rebooting a server on memorial day wcgw
19:14 < Hunterkll> everything
19:30 < aName> I'm trying to get some "unapproved" disks working on a perc 6i - it doesn't "see" any of them, or at least refuses to acknowledge their existence. Wat do?
19:31 < aName> They're SATAIII disks at 2TB each
19:31 < aName> So I don't think that's the issue, anyway
19:32 < Skywave> what's better, multiple volumes and multiple luns, or one large volume and multiple luns?
19:33 < aName> I updated the firmware to 6.3.3
19:40 < Hunterkll> https://i.imgur.com/xmJdC4h.png
19:40 < abakedapplepie> aName: you could check to see if there are firmwares for similar dell approved drives that work on the drive youre attempting to use?
19:41 < Hunterkll> aName, PERC 6 don't give a fuck
19:41 < Hunterkll> even newer than PERC 6 like H310 or H710 don't give a fuck
19:41 < Hunterkll> about approved/unapproved disks
19:41 < Hunterkll> this aint a fuckin' san
19:41 < abakedapplepie> thats what i thought
19:41 < Hunterkll> that raid controller don't give a fuck
19:42 < Hunterkll> that's a fuckin 2950 raid controlller
19:42 < Hunterkll> lol
19:42 < aName> Hunterkll: So I should look at some other issue?
19:42 < Hunterkll> cables, power, who knows what
19:42 < abakedapplepie> its a gremlin
19:42 < Hunterkll> note that i think it maxes out at 2TB disks too
19:42 < aName> Alright
19:43 < aName> I was up until 4AM on this shit
19:43 < Hunterkll> also on any system sporting a perc 6
19:43 < aName> Hunterkll: Right, at, but not before
19:43 < Hunterkll> it's probably pure bios based no EFI
19:43 < Hunterkll> so
19:43 < Hunterkll> make sure you make a less tahn 2TB boot VD
19:43 < Hunterkll> :D
19:43 < aName> 1.99TB got it
19:44 < Hunterkll> on my large capacity (all 2TB or all 1TB disk) 2950s i'll make a like 500GB C: and provision the rest
19:44 < Hunterkll> once it's in the OS it can handle it fine
19:44 < Hunterkll> so like 500GB C: and 3TB data volume
19:44 < Hunterkll> lol
19:44 < Hunterkll> but yea seriously that's a 2008 raid controller
19:45 < Hunterkll> common in the 2950 server
19:45 < Hunterkll> lol
19:45 < Hunterkll> I have one running right now in the rack next to me :D
19:45 < abakedapplepie> 8589934591 bits
19:45 < estranger> I had stacks of 2950s I couldn't get rid of before
19:45 < Hunterkll> estranger, loaded out you can get like $100 + $70 shipping on ebay
19:45 < Hunterkll> easy
19:45 < abakedapplepie> estranger: id take one with disks
19:45 < abakedapplepie> lol
19:45 < Hunterkll> ^
19:46 < abakedapplepie> without disks,... fucki t
19:47 < Hunterkll> fuk
19:47 < Hunterkll> i locked out myself
19:47 < Hunterkll> thank god i didn't lock any computer
19:47 < Hunterkll> otherwise i'd be annoyed
19:47 <+AnonymooseWork> of the building?
19:47 < Hunterkll> no, my AD account
19:48 < Hunterkll> now i gotta jump into a jumpbox to unlock myself
19:48 < Hunterkll> lol
19:48 < Hunterkll> while in a session logged in wiht that account
19:48 < Hunterkll> i'd be really pissed if i locked my desktop and went to bed and couldn't log into my surface
19:51  * misspwn_ puts in a ticket to unlock Hunterkll 
19:51 < Hunterkll> to who
19:51 < misspwn_> me, np i gotchu
19:51 < estranger> Think we ended up recycling them
19:51 < Hunterkll> if you've got access to my home network
19:51 < Hunterkll> we got problems
19:51 < estranger> Wasn't worth effort to sell
19:52 < estranger> $oldJob
19:52 < aName> Hunterkll: But it can only handle 2TB PDs?
19:52 < Hunterkll> yes
19:52 < aName> Hunterkll: Because I do have some bigger disks...
19:52 < misspwn_> so much for being grateful
19:52 < aName> Gotcha
19:52 < Hunterkll> aName, for fucks sake it was replaced in 2010
19:52 < Hunterkll> lol
19:52 < Hunterkll> with a newer model
19:53 < aName> Hunterkll: yeah yeah
19:53 < aName> Doesn't mean there might not be some software trick to it
19:53 < aName> I've seen weirder hacks
19:53 < Hunterkll> it's the LBAs man
19:53 < Hunterkll> them damn LBAs
19:56 < aName> lolol
19:56 < aName> open up the case
19:56 < aName> the disks are sitting against, but not in the connectors
19:56 < Hunterkll> ...........
19:56 < aName> Spent waaaaaay too long to not check
19:56 < Hunterkll> you closed the fuckin' drive caddy
19:56 < Hunterkll> too soon
19:56 < Hunterkll> you idiot
19:56 < Hunterkll> i was just about to install OMSA and show screenshots of it working
19:56 < Hunterkll> :P
19:56 < aName> Things I didn't know I didn't know, man
19:56 < aName> That's why I bought this thing - to learn lol
19:57 <@JollyRgrs> speaking of... anyone wanna buy a 2950 or two?
19:57 < Hunterkll> try pulling on the drive
19:57 < Hunterkll> does it slide out?
19:57 < Hunterkll> that means you fucked up
19:57 < aName> not enough to grip on
19:57  * aName shrugs
19:58 <+AnonymooseWork> lol
19:58 <+AnonymooseWork> JollyRgrs
19:58 <+AnonymooseWork> 2950?
19:58 <+AnonymooseWork> what year is this
19:58 < MillerBOSS> When you got 10.10.10.0/24 is IP 10.10.10.0 being used anywhere?
19:58 <@JollyRgrs> in the year 2525
19:58 <+NinjaStyle> wtf, my company discount code didnt do shit for my rental price
19:58 <+AnonymooseWork> lol ninja
19:58 <@JollyRgrs> MillerBOSS: as a /24, i don't think it can?
19:58 <@JollyRgrs> Hunterkll would know
19:59 < MillerBOSS> I just wonder if the router uses it or something
19:59 <@JollyRgrs> NinjaStyle: doesn't that suck?
19:59 < Hunterkll> MillerBOSS, no - that's the 'network id' or 'network number'
19:59 < Hunterkll> you have to be in a /23 to use a .0
19:59 <@JollyRgrs> MillerBOSS: in a /24 the .255 should be broadcast
19:59 <+NinjaStyle> whats the point
19:59 <+NinjaStyle> when its not any cheaper
19:59 < Hunterkll> yes
19:59 <@JollyRgrs> .0 is nothing
19:59 < Hunterkll> correct
19:59 < Hunterkll> JollyRgrs, incorrect
19:59 <@JollyRgrs> well, for his sake
19:59 < Hunterkll> you lose two IPs to a subnet
19:59 <@JollyRgrs> what does the .0 do in the /24?
19:59 < Hunterkll> network ID/IP & broadcast
19:59 <@JollyRgrs> network id
20:00 <@JollyRgrs> well... that DOES nothing as far as being assignable
20:00 < Hunterkll> rioght
20:00 <@JollyRgrs> so i was not wrong :P
20:00 < Hunterkll> which means you want to use 10.10.10.0/23
20:00 < Hunterkll> and make your router 10.10.11.0
20:00 < Hunterkll> which is perfectly valid
20:00 < Hunterkll> and fucks with people's heads
20:00 < Hunterkll> "uhhh my default gateway is .... wat"
20:00 <@JollyRgrs> i hated that ATT 2wire gateways used to use .254
20:00 <@JollyRgrs> so annoying
20:01 < Hunterkll> eh .254 is another standard practice
20:01 <@JollyRgrs> also annoying... someone having a username "that"
20:01 < Hunterkll> i've seen it in plenty of larger shops
20:01 < MillerBOSS> I didn't mean assignable. I meant more along the lines of is the router using .0 for anything internally so to speak.
20:01 <@JollyRgrs> yeah, just other end of the spectrum i guess
20:01 <@JollyRgrs> MillerBOSS: nawp
20:01 <@JollyRgrs> except to name the network ID
20:02 < Hunterkll> well
20:02 < Hunterkll> that's how you define the subnet you see?
20:02 <@JollyRgrs> mmmm... IBC black cherry
20:02 < Hunterkll> you have the network ID and the subnet mask
20:02 < MillerBOSS> Right so that is something. Its the network ID
20:02 < Hunterkll> that tells you what your valid range of IPs is
20:02 < Hunterkll> MillerBOSS, the router isn't using it 'per say'
20:02 < Hunterkll> everything is
20:02 < MillerBOSS> Its still "something"
20:02 <@JollyRgrs> MillerBOSS: but you were asking if it was like... using it to route things, etc
20:02 <@JollyRgrs> it's just an identifier
20:02 < Hunterkll> MillerBOSS, https://help.ubnt.com/hc/en-us/articles/115005968648-Intro-to-Networking-IPv4-Addressing-Subnets
20:03 < Hunterkll> see the 'IP Networking Schema' section
20:03 < Hunterkll> and then read the second section after that
20:03 <@JollyRgrs> aside from firewall rules, there's no place the .0 is used
20:03 < Hunterkll> and routing
20:04 <@JollyRgrs> well yeah, that, too ;)
20:04 < MillerBOSS> Thanks. I am watching Mike Meyers do his spiel.
20:04 <@JollyRgrs> i was hoping that was obv.
20:07 < Hunterkll> aName, ahahahaha after all that
20:07 < Hunterkll> i forgot I put matching SAS disks in the entire array
20:07 < Hunterkll> lolol
20:07 < Hunterkll> it isn't the mishmash of random SATA disks anymore
20:08 < Hunterkll> i was gonna show you a screenshot of what it should look like
20:08 < Hunterkll> guess not
20:08 < aName> Hunterkll: It's a physical problem
20:08 < Hunterkll> oh i know
20:08 < aName> Hunterkll: The backplane is being pushed out of alignment when the disks slide in
20:08 < Hunterkll> just was gonna show you the config
20:08 < Hunterkll> aaaaand
20:08 < MillerBOSS> https://shit.farm.millerboss.com/x/C08-Introducing-Routers-r.mp4 4:45 in its just the way he says it sounded confusing Hunterkll JollyRgrs
20:08 < Hunterkll> i have a failed disk
20:08 < Hunterkll> oh well
20:09 < aName> I'm a little miffed
20:09 < aName> Not sure how to resolve this
20:09 < Hunterkll> fuckin
20:09 < Hunterkll> hold it in place?
20:09 < Hunterkll> screw it down?
20:09 < Hunterkll> realign it?
20:09 < Hunterkll> snap it back in?
20:09 < aName> Right
20:09 < Hunterkll> it's like grown up legos damnit
20:09 < Hunterkll> this isn't hard
20:09 < aName> lol
20:09 < abakedapplepie> LOL
20:09 < aName> I said I wasn't sure how
20:09 < aName> Not that I didn't have any ideas.
20:09 < aName> geez
20:09 < MillerBOSS> So I take it now that he says .0 is used by routers in a /24 meaning the network ID
20:10 <@JollyRgrs> well, no
20:10 <@JollyRgrs> in combination with the /24
20:10 < MillerBOSS> Well listen to how he says ity
20:10 < MillerBOSS> it*
20:10 < aName> I want to make sure I'm not doing something stupid like 'this backplane is only for SAS and that's why you got it so cheap'
20:10 < Hunterkll> aName, impossible for that to happen
20:10 < aName> Hunterkll: That's what I thought
20:11 < Hunterkll> SAS and SATA are almost identical connectors
20:11 < Hunterkll> except SATA has that gap
20:11 < Hunterkll> SAS has it filled in
20:11 < aName> emphasis on almost
20:11 < Hunterkll> between the power and data connectors
20:11 < Hunterkll> SAS can accept SATA drives, but not the other way around
20:11 < aName> That's what I thought
20:11 < aName> But I've been wrong before. =D
20:11 <@JollyRgrs> "it says that zero is identifying anything on the 192.168.15.0 network with a WACK 24 subnet"
20:11 <@JollyRgrs> MillerBOSS: that sounds pretty clear to me
20:12 < MillerBOSS> 450:453 thats because its used by routers
20:13 < MillerBOSS> Its all good though. :)
20:13 < Hunterkll> it's ... not though ... it's used computationally...
20:13 < MillerBOSS> Just trying to learn my routing better
20:13 <@JollyRgrs> it IS used by routers.... as a way to identify if it is on a certain network
20:14 <@JollyRgrs> but it isn't used like a normal IP is used
20:14 <@JollyRgrs> no device is assigned to it
20:14 < MillerBOSS> Right
20:14 < MillerBOSS> I never took it as being a routable IP
20:14 <@JollyRgrs> MillerBOSS: do you know how to do a binary compare to use the mask to get the network ID?
20:14 < MillerBOSS> Just how is it used and I gather now it as a network id which is the part "being used by a router" right?
20:15 <@JollyRgrs> yeah
20:15 < MillerBOSS> Not without google'n
20:15 <@JollyRgrs> you should learn it
20:15 <@JollyRgrs> it will help you understand a lot
20:15 <@JollyRgrs> even things you don't know completely
20:15 < MillerBOSS> OK
20:15 < MillerBOSS> Sure
20:15 <@JollyRgrs> https://networklessons.com/subnetting/subnetting-in-binary/
20:16 <@JollyRgrs> srsly, it has helped me out a lot knowing this
20:17 < m4221> Hey NinjaStyle
20:18 < insecurity> o/
20:18 < MillerBOSS> Thanks. Looks like I skipped around in this. He went over that a few chapters back
20:18 < m4221> insecurity: \o
20:18 < insecurity> sup sup
20:22 < rpifan> hi
20:26 <+NinjaStyle> m4221: yo
20:28 <+NinjaStyle> insecurity: hey
20:28 <+NinjaStyle> anyone here in ATL?
20:29 < rpifan> i was
20:29 < ihre> MillerBOSS: also, ipcalc, as pointed out to me by estranger :3
20:29 < rpifan> why
20:29 <+NinjaStyle> jw
20:29 <+NinjaStyle> gonna be there soon
20:30 < rpifan> atl is / was a cesspool
20:30 < rpifan> now its too normative
20:30 < estranger> ipcalc ftw
20:30 < rpifan> whats ipcalc
20:30 < estranger> I'll be in Alpharetta next month
20:30 < rpifan> oh yea
20:31 < rpifan> momma lives in sandy springs
20:31 < estranger> It's an ip calculator
20:31 < rpifan> whats it calculate about ips
20:31 < estranger> Subnetting
20:31 <+NinjaStyle> im gonna be south west of atl in 2 weeks
20:31 < rpifan> i see
20:32 < ihre> example of ipcalc output, http://ix.io/1bEv, pretty useful
20:32 < estranger> Ie "ipcalc 10.1.2.143/27" will tell you the IP range, and different notations
20:35 <+NinjaStyle> your mom can do subnetting
20:35 <+NinjaStyle> in her head
20:40 <+NinjaStyle> so i transferred my sapphire points to southwest, now i have enough to fly 2 tickets anywhere in the US, so that's nice
20:41 < aName> NinjaStyle: Very.
20:41 < Jekotia> MillerBOSS: IDK if it was the sole cause, but there was definately user error invovled in the VM not working earlier. I missed the errors in the unlocker script (in part the scripts fault, I would argue, for going so damn fast and then closing). Trying again now
20:41 < aName> I need to talk to a travel agent
20:41 < aName> I want to go to Vegas in October, but I want to make a one day stop in Atlanta on the way there or back, doesn't matter which
20:42 < aName> Seeing how Atlanta is a big air hub, this ought to be very doable
20:43 < aName> But airline booking sites are all about getting you from A->B
20:43 < rpifan> i still havent commited cidr to memory
20:43 < rpifan> i should
20:43 < rpifan> but im lazy
20:43 < aName> rpifan: Eh, the whole idea is you can make them up as you go lol
20:43 < aName> I mean... sort of
20:44 < rpifan> like i shouod know what /48 means
20:44 < aName> Ah, fair enough
20:44 < aName> But I don't expect someone to know what /29 is
20:44 < rpifan> speaking of this and noob questions
20:44 < rpifan> in ipv6 since nat isnt allowed
20:44 < aName> PRAISE IP6
20:45 < rpifan> and pressumably youd just get a stright passthru from the modem
20:45 < rpifan> would your local computer do the arp
20:46 < aName> I want to say yes, but it's been so long since I touched that stuff. I like to let the network guys do networks
20:47 <+NinjaStyle> pretty sure arp isnt a thing in ipv6
20:47 <+NinjaStyle> it does some neighbor dicovery over multicast or something
20:47 <+NinjaStyle> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neighbor_Discovery_Protocol
20:48 < rpifan> so who then knows what your mac address is
20:48 < rpifan> does the modem know
20:48 < rpifan> does the isp know
20:48 < rpifan> do only u know
20:49 < phaeton> Hi guis.
20:49 <+NinjaStyle> rpifan: that wikipedia article describes it a little
20:49 <+NinjaStyle> phaeton: ay
20:50 < m4221> NinjaStyle: ty for the advice
20:50 < rpifan> very confusing
20:51 < MillerBOSS> Thanks ihre
20:51 < phaeton> In most linux and unix shops, what distributions are the most common?  Is it all RedHat and OpenSolaris?
20:51 < MillerBOSS> Jekotia 👉 So you are good to go now?
20:53 < MillerBOSS> Wow that is pretty neat ihre Just installed ipcalc.
21:02 < Jekotia> MillerBOSS: Nope :/ Going to try that kvm thing now
21:02 < MillerBOSS> OK.
21:03 <@JollyRgrs> rhel and AIX at my shop
21:04 < ThatOneRoadie> 95% windows shop here
21:04 < ThatOneRoadie> remaining 5% is rhel
21:05 < ThatOneRoadie> (and is my baby)
21:08 < phaeton> Thanks guys, that's kinda what I thought.  I'm a Slackware and NetBSD user primarily but I don't expect those to be common in production ;-)
21:09 < phaeton> What are good technologies know?  Docker, Nagios, Spacewalk, MySQL?
21:09 < ihre> depends on your shop i guess :p
21:10 <@JollyRgrs> ^^
21:10 < niklasye> phaeton kubernetes :)
21:10 <@JollyRgrs> but the ones w/ support contracts are most used
21:11 < Jekotia> Compiling Samba, see hundreds of lines flying by for a directory called "torture"
21:11 < Jekotia> WUT
21:12 < niklasye> also prometheus, grafana, elasticsearch
21:12 < ihre> git(lab/hub/???) (or vcs in general), jenkins, psql, haproxy, ansible/puppet/chef/salt, vault, terraform
21:12 < ihre> ldap
21:13 < niklasye> oauth2
21:13 <@JollyRgrs> dhcp
21:13 <@JollyRgrs> dns
21:13 < MillerBOSS> Electricity
21:13 <@JollyRgrs> ^^
21:13  * MillerBOSS runs!
21:13 <@JollyRgrs> so much that
21:13 < niklasye> abacus
21:14 < niklasye> gotta be able to touch type on that abacus
21:15 < ihre> phaeton: i think the most important is the mindset of being a lazy admin :p
21:15 < ihre> dont do work twice
21:15 < m4221> I hate yardwork
21:15 < phaeton> m4221: so then you should script your mower to do it for you
21:16 < ihre> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robotic_lawn_mower
21:16 < phaeton> ihre: Oh, I'm plenty lazy ;)
21:16 < m4221> phaeton: buy my house
21:16 < phaeton> But incredibly motivated when I have to be.
21:16 < phaeton> m4221: I would like a house
21:17 < m4221> phaeton: $265k and it's yours
21:17 < phaeton> m4221: also, do I know you from #linpeople a decade ago?
21:17 < ihre> that isnt the point of being lazy in this context, if you need to do something more than once, make sure the 2nd time is with as less effort as possible, ie do it right the first time :p
21:17 < m4221> phaeton: linpeople
21:17 < m4221> linpeople?
21:18 < phaeton> guess not then ;)
21:22 < m4221> phaeton: damn
21:22 < phaeton> m4221: are you saying you were in linpeople (or labyrinth) way back when, or no?
21:22 < m4221> No
21:22 < phaeton> ah ok
21:24 < insecurity> what's everyone's favourite domain registrar?
21:24 < phaeton> hostdime in my case
21:24 < MillerBOSS> hover.com
21:24 < MillerBOSS> From TuCows
21:25 < ihre> aws because if you remove the hosted domain within 12h its not billed :3
21:26 < MillerBOSS> Otherwise name cheap
21:26 < ihre> long term, cheapest option at that time, hardly ever use them more than 1 year anyways
21:28 < phaeton> ihre: how about scripting?  Just bash and sh or do people still use perl?
21:29 < ihre> i see a lot more python, and go nowadays
21:29 < ihre> i mostly stick to bash
21:29 < phaeton> python 2 or 3?
21:29 < ihre> 2
21:29 < phaeton> boo
21:29 < ihre> new fedora is moving/has moved to 3 iirc
21:29 < phaeton> 3 is the one I'm most familiar with
21:30 < phaeton> Pretty sure I've forgotten everything I knew about perl by now
21:33 < phaeton> Powershell makes me feel dirty
21:35 <+NinjaStyle> Boop
21:37 < aName> Hunterkll: So... at some point, someone removed the fan cage in this server. In doing so, they re-routed some cable to the front management panel - which jams the fans in out of alignment, pushing on the backplane. Pop it back onto the j-hooks and bob's your uncle.
21:38 < aName> WE HAVE BLINKENLITES
21:39 <+CheckYourSix> aName: Wow...
21:40 < aName> CheckYourSix: I spent HOURS last night trying to figure some firmware incompatibility out
21:40 < aName> CheckYourSix: Naw, physical problem the whole time. FML
21:40 <+CheckYourSix> aName: That's a strange one for sure. Never would've expected that
21:41 < AnimalFarmPig> I'm using day off to do some computer maintenance at home. What do you guys like for clearing out malware/shitware on non-technical users' machines?
21:41 < aName> tron
21:41 < Ael> Tron script
21:41 < AnimalFarmPig> awesome, thank
21:41 < AnimalFarmPig> does it still get posted to /r/sysadmin when there are releases?
21:42 < MillerBOSS> It has its own sub reddit
21:42 < AnimalFarmPig> cool, just found it, /r/tronscript
21:43 < AnimalFarmPig> thanks!
21:43 <+CheckYourSix> I haven't done malware removal in years. So happy I don't have to deal with it
21:43 < MillerBOSS> Thank you, come again.
21:44 < AnimalFarmPig> neither have I, but sometimes my wife makes... poor decisions...
21:44 < phaeton> ihre: thanks for all the tips.  You've been most instrumental in helping me to choose what to build into my lab
21:53 < arooni> does google play music free stream at 320 kbps?
21:53 < arooni> i think spotify does it at 160kbps
22:05 <+A-KO> yo
22:07 <+NinjaStyle> oy
22:08 <+A-KO> spent the weekend in WA
22:08 <+A-KO> good times
22:09 <+NinjaStyle> nice, ive never been there
22:10 <+A-KO> I've taken a lot of amazing photos in my life
22:10 <+A-KO> but I'm pretty sure I have the one I'm most proud of so far
22:11 <+A-KO> https://imgur.com/a/f4tbk0X
22:11 <+NinjaStyle> that is a dope photo
22:12 <+A-KO> pretty much wins my own internal photography contest
22:12 <+A-KO> I could probably touch it up a bit with Lightroom, which I'll do maybe sometime this week
22:12 < FenJai> Oh damn, thats a nice pic
22:12 <+A-KO> the right side of the image is a little bright because of the sun angle, etc.
22:13 <+A-KO> taken at Hurricane Ridge Visitor's Center in WA
22:14 <+A-KO> in other news, I'm actually fairly decent at photography
22:15 <+A-KO> I need to come up with a stylized logo for my photography
22:15 <+A-KO> lol
22:16 < FenJai> I took this yesterday. I love the lighting on the stone
22:16 < FenJai> https://imgur.com/vsdNdSI
22:17 <+A-KO> nice!
22:17 <+A-KO> lighting is one of the things that's really hard to get with photos. That and timing.
22:17 <+A-KO> for rocks, timing isn't such a big deal ;) lol
22:20 <+NinjaStyle> my oly photos are with my phone
22:20 <+NinjaStyle> only*
22:21 < FenJai> I did that with my phone NinjaStyle
22:21 < FenJai> The samsung galaxy S8 has a great camera for a smartphone
22:22 <+A-KO> get an iPhone X. I know folks want to talk shit about iPhones, but I've taken a LOT of photos and videos with my iPhones over the years.
22:22 <+A-KO> they're really fucking good and continue to get better
22:23 <+A-KO> I do the bulk of my photography with iPhones, I only break out the camera when I want to
22:25 <+NinjaStyle> my wife got a pretty good one recently at hanging lake
22:25 <+NinjaStyle> all mine came out meh
22:25 <+NinjaStyle> since i didnt frame the lake well
22:25 <+A-KO> https://imgur.com/a/5p96ilI < both of these are iPhone
22:25 <+A-KO> The first one I took when Hunterkll and I were bar hopping in Fell's Point, Baltimore City lol
22:25 <+A-KO> I liked the lighting of the bar, so I angled the phone in a way to capture it through the glass
22:25 < FenJai> Those are prtty sweet
22:26 <+A-KO> iPhone 7 on those pics, not X
22:26 < ihre> phaeton: np, for what its worth, I built my lab around ovirt/freeipa/foreman/katello, which is basically upstream for a bunch of red hat products, added tower later on. With those packages, you're able to get a pretty nice setup going, you could switch out ovirt for just libvirt if you're a bit constrained by resources. I had puppet roles and profiles for each type of application, which were mostly
22:26 < ihre> openvpn, grafana, gogs, librenms+oxidized, and some others previously mentioned
22:26 < ihre> upstream tower = awx btw
22:27 <+NinjaStyle> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/FS733ooJ/IMG_20180519_143137.jpg
22:27 <+NinjaStyle> i got that one recently
22:27 <+CheckYourSix> Nice.
22:28 < FenJai> On an unrelated note, Im trying to find a bottle neck on my network between my hosts and an SMB share running on a virtualised freenas. How would I track down what could be showing down file transfers ?
22:28 <+NinjaStyle> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/yKflAXsP/IMG_20180519_144021.jpg
22:28 < FenJai> We're talking 11MB/s max
22:28 < ihre> FenJai: iperf between each step?
22:28 <+CheckYourSix> You guys ever hear of that new Arsenal thing that plugs into DSLRs and figures out the settings and all that for a perfect shot?
22:29 < ihre> lol, sounds like 'updated' P mode
22:29 < ihre> why bother with a DSLR anyways if youre looking for that tho ? :D
22:29 <+CheckYourSix> FenJai: What's your drive layout? And you did pass the drives through directly in HBA mode, not as virtual drives, right?
22:29 <+NinjaStyle> CheckYourSix: im too poor for a dslr
22:29 < ihre> NinjaStyle: a 2nd hand 650d isnt expensive
22:29 <+CheckYourSix> ihre: Cause better quality and less learning curve
22:29 < ihre> so get a 'system-camera'
22:30 < ihre> since canon releases a new iteration every year, those prices drop super fast
22:30 <+CheckYourSix> System camera?
22:30 < ihre> yeah, basically a dslr without the mirror
22:31 < ihre> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_camera
22:31 < ihre> still interchangeable lenses
22:32 < FenJai> CheckYourSix, freenas has block level access to the drives as I've passed through the raid card to it. The drives are in a raidz2 config across 7 disks
22:32 <+CheckYourSix> FenJai: What RAID card?
22:35 <+NinjaStyle> ihre: yeah but then i have to lug it around
22:35 <+A-KO> CheckYourSix: haven't seen that. But typically the perfect shot isn't so much the settings so much as it is subjective measures of what 'perfection' is as well as framing and timing. There are settings for both adjusting the light entering the CCD (focal length, lens diameter, shutter speed, e tc.) as well as the digital processing stuff (white balance, luminence settings, etc.)
22:35 < FenJai> IBM M1015 CheckYourSix
22:36 <+CheckYourSix> FenJai: Flashed to IT mode, right?
22:36 < FenJai> Yup
22:36 <+CheckYourSix> A-KO: https://witharsenal.com/
22:36 <+CheckYourSix> FenJai: Have you tested NFS or any others? Or iperf?
22:36 < phaeton> ihre: Thanks again.  I was a jr. linux sysadmin about 12 years ago, but the landscape is completely different now
22:38 < ihre> phaeton: RH offers a dev account, https://developers.redhat.com/blog/2016/03/31/no-cost-rhel-developer-subscription-now-available/ might be worth singing up for :)
22:38 < FenJai> Not yet. I'm not familiar with iperf CheckYourSix
22:38 <+CheckYourSix> It's really easy
22:39 < phaeton> ihre: I'm actually writing the 7.3 server iso right now ;)
22:39 <+CheckYourSix> iperf -s on FreeNAS (in SSH)
22:39 <+CheckYourSix> Then iperf -c <freenas-ip> from the client
22:40 < ihre> and to add to what A-KO mentioned, if you'd get a kodak book from the 50s, which often have some kind of diagram in them for shutter speed vs iso (although they call it ASA) vs diafragma, the same rules regarding 'the perfect' shot still apply :p
22:40 < ihre> and it looks like that witharsenal does basically that?
22:41 <+A-KO> I would see Arsenal as doing something to make some more complex shots easier
22:41 <+A-KO> but that's about all it is :P
22:41 < phaeton> My dad was an awesome photographer.  I sure wish I learned more about it from him
22:41 <+A-KO> i.e. shit you'd do in light room that could take hours might be automatic with arsenal
22:41 < ihre> phaeton: with packer ? ;p
22:41 <+A-KO> a neat tool, maybe useful, but a tool nonetheless :P
22:41 < ihre> if not, check it out ^^
22:41 <+A-KO> certainly looks nifty
22:42 <+A-KO> but I wouldn't use it every time, like I don't carry every lens with me
22:42 <+A-KO> that shot I took above was done with my kit lens
22:42 <+A-KO> because I actually really enjoy the kit lens for general outdoor photography
22:42 < phaeton> ihre: with unetbootin actually
22:42 <+A-KO> but certainly looks pretty cool
22:42 < ihre> just swap stock 18-55 for a f/1.8 50mm and youre good to go ^^
22:43 <+A-KO> damn $175
22:43 < ihre> rule number 1 is, get as close as you possibly can :P
22:43 <+A-KO> ihre: I like my 18-55 tho :(
22:43 <+CheckYourSix> If I had one of the high end lenses with the 2.8 aperture I might play more. They can make some awesome shots
22:43 <+A-KO> I mean, I don't use it everywhere
22:43 <+CheckYourSix> 18-55 is bleh
22:43 < ihre> for 120$ a 1.8 is one of the best investments to start with imo
22:43 <+A-KO> I use 24mm fixed for my night sky shit
22:43 <+A-KO> I've got a 24mm F1.4 Rokinon for night sky stuff
22:43 <+CheckYourSix> ihre: I bought that lens. I paid like $60 used and it works perfectly fine
22:44 <+A-KO> I need to get better at night sky photography
22:44 < ihre> the nikon one is more expensive than the canon version
22:44 <+A-KO> need to up the game
22:44 <+A-KO> and I've got a Canon 24mm 2.8 pancake lens :D
22:44 <+A-KO> also fun
22:44 <+CheckYourSix> I have a Canon 7D. I got it for a steal of a deal years ago
22:44 <+A-KO> I've wanted a 50mm lens though for a while
22:45 <+A-KO> so I might end up getting one
22:45 <+A-KO> My friend's wife has one
22:45 <+A-KO> sec
22:45 < ihre> https://fstoppers.com/gear/rare-lens-160000-nikkor-6mm-28-fisheye-can-see-behind-you-5956 :^)
22:45 < FenJai> CheckYourSix, iperf says 95Mbits/sec. This is odd as it was hitting 110Mbytes/s last week
22:45 < ihre> now that is a nice investment
22:45 < ihre> were 50-60k a couple of years ago
22:46 <+A-KO> I had to switch my friend's wife camera to shoot raw+jpg
22:46 <+A-KO> she's been shooting just jpg this whole time
22:46 <+CheckYourSix> FenJai: You have a network issue
22:46 <+A-KO> I didn't switch it until after I got a shot of them kissing over Seattle, though
22:46 <+CheckYourSix> FenJai: Like you're being limited to 100 Mbits
22:46 <+A-KO> I would have preferred to have the raw to fix it up in Lightroom
22:46 <+A-KO> oh well
22:47 <+A-KO> sometimes catching moments is just as important as the framing :)
22:47 <+A-KO> if not more so to some
22:48 <+A-KO> https://imgur.com/a/vKTUEXH < Pic I took of the two of them using her 50mm lens + camera
22:48 <+A-KO> though it only shot as jpeg :( sadface
22:49 < ihre> and auto WB?
22:49 <+A-KO> yeah :(
22:49 <+A-KO> I didn't know what settings she had set, I didn't set 'em
22:49 <+A-KO> she was like "hey take a pic of us"
22:49 <+A-KO> the kiss itself is actually just a quick peck, random, that he did.
22:49 <+A-KO> I happened to snap the shot at the time he kissed her
22:49 <+A-KO> wasn't intended to be there, it just "was".
22:50 <+A-KO> I could do some serious shit with that lens, though
22:50 <+A-KO> it's monstrous
22:50 < ihre> another useful feature of those old kodak books is that they often contain a neutral card for whitebalance, easily picked up for 3$ at a 2nd hand camera store :3
22:50 <+CheckYourSix> A-KO: Totally random, but I finally got FreeNAS to connect to AD. Turns out, I had to set the SASL Wrapper to "Sign" and it worked. Now I need to figure out what I can do with it now that it's connected.
22:50 <+A-KO> I don't have one and I really do want one, but I'm debating if I should just save up and go full frame or stick with the Canon T3 I've got. I feel like I haven't exhausted all of the capabilities of the camera yet
22:50 < ihre> new ones cost a fortune
22:51 <+A-KO> ah yeah CheckYourSix that could make sense
22:51 <+CheckYourSix> Found that answered buried on like stack exchange or one of those
22:51 <+A-KO> I'm not very good at taking people photography in general
22:51 <+A-KO> I much prefer landscapes
22:51 <+A-KO> she set that pic as her FB profile pic now, though
22:51 <+A-KO> so that's kind of a plus
22:52 <+A-KO> I guess in the end that's all that matters :)
22:55 <+A-KO> anyways. I'm off :)
22:55 <+A-KO> later all
22:58 < rpifan> yall that are quite a bit smarter then me
22:58 < rpifan> can you figure out what eluxer.net does
22:58 < rpifan> all of our WP sites at work are loading from it
22:58 < rpifan> but its a dead end
22:58 < rpifan> and no one knows what the fuck it is
22:59 < ihre> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/process-explorer
23:00 < rpifan> i dont have access to anything
23:00 < rpifan> this all hosted somewhere in aws
23:00 < rpifan> but when you inspect the sites it clearly loads
23:01 < ihre> oh its .net, i misread :^)
23:01 <+NinjaStyle> rpifan: probably malware
23:02 < rpifan> yea but i keep asking on the company slack, on the web site team etc
23:02 < rpifan> everyone ignores it
23:02 < rpifan> the question itself
23:03 < rpifan> i really dont get it
23:03 < rpifan> r they being purposefully obtuse or something
23:04 <+NinjaStyle> rpifan: can you send me a full URL in pm?
23:04 < rpifan> sure
23:07 < rpifan> trying to find a link to one of the sites, we host so many of them i forget
23:09 <+NinjaStyle> im wondering if it is down, i cant seem to get a valid response from the server, even using legit links i found on google
23:09 < ihre> its not hosted on aws tho, but https://ispiria.net/ which looks like some bullet proof hoster
23:11 <+NinjaStyle> it looks like it embeds some malicious JS
23:11 < ihre> well im able to reach it on 80 and 443, outdated cert from globalsign , http://ix.io/1bFp
23:11 <+NinjaStyle> oh
23:12 < ihre> also refers to luxins.net
23:12 < rpifan> yea
23:12 < rpifan> im trying to find one of our wp sites that uses that as a host tho
23:13 < ihre> that sounds like a borked WP plugin to me :^)
23:13 < Spr1ng> Since the Tomato Shibby project is dead, what's a good router firmware variant to use on an Asus RT66U?
23:13 < ihre> possibly openwrt Spr1ng?
23:13 < ihre> hmm, broadcomm :D
23:14 < ihre> well, then most likely some custom build of dd-wrt :p
23:14 <+NinjaStyle> oh i am getting a different response when i send the cookie
23:14 < ihre> a 307 redirect
23:14 < ihre> kek
23:15 <+NinjaStyle> no i get a 204
23:15 < MillerBOSS> Totally looks legit.
23:15 < MillerBOSS> NOT
23:15 < MillerBOSS> https://whois.domaintools.com/luxins.net
23:15 < MillerBOSS> Protection of Private Person
23:15 < MillerBOSS> PO box 87, REG.RU Protection Service,
23:15 < MillerBOSS> Moscow, 123007, RU
23:15 < ihre> yeah, that ispiria shit points to belize :D
23:16 < m4221> Incapsula is ...
23:16 < ihre> "James Dickins, 1885 Driftwood Bay, Suite 101, Belize city, Belize" - seems legit
23:16 < Spr1ng> it's a pity i can't put pfSense on this thing, that would be so much better
23:16 < ihre> i'd pick openwrt over pfsense any day
23:16 < ihre> but YMMV :P
23:16 < rpifan> i cant seem to find any of our sites with that source atm
23:17 < rpifan> i know its there tho
23:17 < Spr1ng> i use pfSense at work and it's pretty amazing.
23:17 < ihre> i bet it is, i'd still pick openwrt personally :P
23:18 < Spr1ng> If I could build a custom box that is cheaper than https://www.netgate.com/solutions/pfsense/sg-3100.html then I would do it.
23:19 <+NinjaStyle> rpifan: if you find it let me know, i cant see any content there, but it may be based on some specific get param like a lot of malware is
23:19 < rpifan> yea im wokring on it, its weird its like it has disappeared. Then again we hos so many sites it could be only a few are compromised
23:21 < xe0n> morn
23:21 < rpifan> hi
23:22 < ihre> Spr1ng: https://www.pcengines.ch/apu2.htm that is a neat board to build something with
23:22 < MillerBOSS> Its not good what ever it is https://www.google.com/search?q=https%3A%2F%2Feluxer.net https://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/7zqcdl/question_what_can_i_do_about_an_impostor_site/
23:22 < ihre> ~113 ex case
23:22 < ihre> eur
23:23 < MillerBOSS> Also https://www.google.com/search?q=%22eluxer.net%22
23:23 < rpifan> yea cant find a single site with on now
23:23 < ihre> APPLY IPTABLES RULES, SUPPER EFFECTIVE
23:23 < rpifan> either they have all disappeared
23:23 < ihre> -P
23:23 < rpifan> or im just not hitting them
23:23 < rpifan> i did the google search but it seemd unclear
23:23 < rpifan> so in any case it is likely compromised sites then
23:23 < ihre> rpifan: grep through your logs?
23:24 <+NinjaStyle> rpifan: do you have burp?
23:25 <+NinjaStyle> if so, you can browse all of your sites, then search through the proxy history for the string
23:25 < rpifan> i have access to nothing
23:25 < ihre> burp is a tool you install locally
23:25 < ihre> and has a free version
23:25 < ihre> so you have acccess :p
23:26 <+NinjaStyle> yeah, all you need is the proxy history, which is there on the free version
23:26 < MillerBOSS> https://github.com/ZeusTheTrueGod/civ4-chronics/issues/92
23:26 < rpifan> how does it work
23:27 <+NinjaStyle> rpifan: you http proxy to the port burp is listening on
23:27 <+NinjaStyle> then you just browse the web and itll log everything in the proxy history
23:27 < MillerBOSS> https://urlquery.net/report/a674516c-017d-4fe9-8902-d5f71c513412
23:27 < rpifan> so burp is some type of caching util
23:28 < ihre> no
23:28 <+NinjaStyle> its a web app testing tool
23:28 < rpifan> but does it work on the idea of cache everything
23:28 < rpifan> so you can look later
23:28 <+NinjaStyle> it logs all requests and responses
23:28 <+NinjaStyle> so if the response body has some script tag loading that url, you can search for it
23:29 < ihre> which allows for modification of requests before posting them, for instance, or manipulating them 'real time', but like NinjaStyle mentions, in this case just proxy history is what youre looking for
23:29 < rpifan> ill install it on my home machine to test it out
23:29 <+NinjaStyle> there are a ton of resources on how to use it, but basically youll turn intercept off, and just browse all of your sites
23:30 < rpifan> so related to noob web testing, how is it u get someone ips from a web video chat app like chatrandom
23:30 < ihre> https://portswigger.net/burp/help/spider_using might be useful instead of 'crawling manually'
23:31 <+NinjaStyle> yeah you can turn spider on too, i would do both
23:31 < rpifan> or apparently u can also do the same with skype
23:32 <+NinjaStyle> i think sometimes those apps will open direct sockets between peers, not 100% sure tho
23:33 < ihre> yeah, i guess the difference is between actual p2p and client-server-client
23:33 < ihre> lol, the p2p version would be the MVP pooped out by an agile workflow :p
23:34 < ihre> 'minimum valuable product', i fucking hate that term
23:34 < ihre> viable?
23:34 < ihre> viable
23:35 < rpifan> well i installed burp on my local machine
23:35 < rpifan> but at moment im gonna fight with amazon
23:35 < MillerBOSS> I assume its on a WordPress site. Update all installs, plugin, and themes.
23:35 < rpifan> i cant
23:35 < aName> Initializing a new array takes as long as a sequential write of the entire disk, yes?
23:35 < rpifan> or is that for omsone else
23:35 < MillerBOSS> You rpifan
23:35 < MillerBOSS> https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/webmaster-ru/htDD-3g3qIg
23:36 < MillerBOSS> Click translate at the top right-ish
23:36 < rpifan> so the sites have been hacked basically is the idea
23:37 < MillerBOSS> My guess is yes
23:37 < MillerBOSS> Remote shell, how who knows what
23:37 < MillerBOSS> or*
23:37 <+NinjaStyle> seems to be loading JS but its hard to say what it does
23:38 < MillerBOSS> https://whmcs.community/topic/281849-manual-payment-never-completed/
23:38 < MillerBOSS> Or your browser / extensions are injecting the URL
23:39 < MillerBOSS> But I doubt that looking at the search results
23:39 < MillerBOSS> https://github.com/pyrocms/pyrocms/issues/4557
23:40 < MillerBOSS> Anyone install warez type plugin or theme?
23:40 < ihre> hahaha
23:40 < ihre> the last 2 comments on that github issue :D
23:40 < rpifan> i dont have an extensions that are problematic
23:40 < MillerBOSS> Yeah lol
23:40 < MillerBOSS> They may not appear to be
23:40 < MillerBOSS> Thats the idea
23:40 < ihre> rpifan: s/that are/that i know are/
23:41 < MillerBOSS> Pull up all the site you are referring to and look at console in the dev tools
23:41 < rpifan> yea thats what i did
23:42 < ihre> which is basically burp and proxy history, yet with burp your logs are persistent
23:42 <+NinjaStyle> and console will only log errors
23:42 <+NinjaStyle> network tb should show everything tho
23:42 <+NinjaStyle> tab*
23:43 < ihre> you can change the verbosity on console tho
23:43 < ihre> but still
23:43 < rpifan> got any good burp tutorials
23:43 < rpifan> everyone on yt is
23:43 < rpifan> hack with burp
23:43 < rpifan> lol
23:43 < ihre> cmon, google a bit :P "burp" "proxy history"
23:43 < ihre> something like that :p
23:43 < MillerBOSS> Right but if its a https website it may give the error in console about loading http as per the images I have posting
23:43 <+NinjaStyle> https://portswigger.net/burp/help/suite_gettingstarted
23:43 < rpifan> but i like videos lol
23:44 < ihre> better get used to reading documentation if you wish to grown in IT like you mentioned earlier :P
23:45 < ihre> half of the shit you're often looking for is either in the docs itself, or man files
23:45 < ihre> s/files/commands
23:45 <+NinjaStyle> s/man/person
23:45 <+NinjaStyle> #pcprincipal
23:46 < ihre> and 'apropos' is pretty useful as wlel
23:48 < Spr1ng> hey ihre that looks like a really nice little board
23:49 < ihre> Spr1ng: and if youre looking for something a bit more beefy, but still under the limit of what you posted earlier, google for omnia turris
23:52 < Spr1ng> geez
23:52 < Spr1ng> https://embeddor.com/product/apu-kit ends up being about $130 cheaper than the SG-3100
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