--- Log opened Sun Jun 03 00:00:42 2018
00:02 < Markdown1_> Topic says "No Trolling, No Politics"
00:02 < Markdown1_> heh
00:03 < Hunterkll> eh just ignore that
00:03 <+precise> Markdown1_: Welcome to #r-s
00:03 <+precise> Shitpost land.
00:04 < Markdown1_> https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/05/california-senate-defies-att-votes-for-strict-net-neutrality-rules/
00:04 <+layer-eight> * Markdown1_ →  California Senate defies AT&T, votes for strict net neutrality rules | Ars Technica
00:04 <+precise> Hunterkll is your ackward host.
00:04 < Hunterkll> Awkward? naaahh
00:04 < Hunterkll> it's only awkward if you make it
00:04 < Markdown1_> https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/30/17406182/california-senate-net-neutrality-vote
00:04 <+layer-eight> * Markdown1_ →  California Senate votes to restore net neutrality - The Verge
00:05 < Markdown1_> its always sunny in California ;)
00:05 < aName> I've got an MD1100 with 11x 300GB 15k SAS disks - I'm thinking either raid 60 with three hotspares, or just a straight 11-disk mirror - thoughts?
00:05 <+precise> Hunterkll: i cent spel
00:06 < aName> precise: WATCH YOUR LANGUAGE
00:06 <+precise> i cent
00:06 < Markdown1_> precise "Grammarly will make sure your messages, documents, and social media posts are clear, mistake-free, and impactful." /s
00:07 <+precise> Fuck you.
00:07 <+precise> ;)
00:07 <+precise> cryptic1: You slitherin?
00:08 < Markdown1_> we need more Grammarly memes
00:08 <+precise> Memes are aight
00:09 < Markdown1_> its High Time for United States vs At&t all over again ;)
00:10 < Markdown1_> we would have to wait till 2020 for that though :P
00:10 <+precise> Municipal internet with private backers.
00:10 <+precise> How to do it
00:10 <+precise> ^
00:10 < aName> Also, jesus the difference in IOPS between spinning rust and SSDs is absurd
00:10 < Markdown1_> my ISP is owned by Google
00:10 < aName> This chart is claiming 200 IOPS for this disk
00:10 < aName> 200!
00:10 <+precise> Markdown1_: RIP
00:11 <+precise> Markdown1_: Do you VPN everything?
00:11 < Markdown1_> Gigabit FTTH though :P
00:11 <+precise> IDEGAF
00:11 <+precise> You are paying for Gigabit FTTH twice
00:11 <+precise> Once with your wallet
00:11 <+precise> And again with your data
00:11 <+precise> It's a rip off IMO
00:11 < Markdown1_> LOL the alternatives are At&t and Comcast
00:11 <+precise> Markdown1_: They all suck
00:12 < Markdown1_> let alone Verzion
00:12 <+precise> But I have a special place in my anus for Google
00:12 < Markdown1_> *Verizon
00:12 < catbeard> aName: missing a K
00:12 < Markdown1_> Verizon owns Yahoo, AOL and Tumblr now :P
00:12 < coderphive> aName, what
00:12 < aName> catbeard: It must be - that didn
00:12 < aName> t seem right at all
00:12 < aName> Still
00:12 < AustinS> http://www.speedtest.net/result/7361901392.png nb
00:12 <+layer-eight> * AustinS →  IMAGE/PNG Document, 21,544 bytes
00:12 < coderphive> 200?
00:12 < aName> SSDs are like 5 mega IOPS
00:12 < aName> Or more
00:12 < coderphive> Does it read once in a century?
00:13 < aName> coderphive: lol
00:13 < AustinS> pretty much limited by port speed at switch/switch->switch
00:13 < coderphive> Samsung 850 Evo is 98k
00:13 < Markdown1_> Google have all my info.
00:13 < Markdown1_> I even worked for Google years back :P
00:14 < coderphive> aName, the real number is probably 45k
00:14 < aName> coderphive: They're 15k SAS drives, so I'd expect they're better than average
00:14 < aName> But still not great compared to SSDs
00:14 < coderphive> I think that's a myth
00:14 < AustinS> ahhh raining outta nowhere
00:15 < aName> coderphive: I dunno, they were free so whatevs
00:15 < coderphive> I want to say SSD's are slower than 15k's after the break in period
00:15 < coderphive> M.2 is the only format that sustain performance
00:15 < AustinS> get m2 ssd's <3
00:15 < coderphive> yup
00:15 < aName> lol I got the MD1100 and the disks for free, and ya'll are like 'Get m2'
00:15 <+precise> M.2 is simply the physical spec FYI
00:15 < aName> I know
00:15 < coderphive> that's what I know to be true anyway
00:15 < AustinS> was blown away first time i finally switched everything..
00:15 <+precise> M.2 can use SATA as well
00:15 < coderphive> I have 15k's on some BM's in my house, they're fine
00:15 < aName> The uh... samsung NVME ones
00:15 <+precise> M.2 PCIe is what you want
00:15 < aName> ZOMG
00:16 < aName> I want those so bad
00:16 < coderphive> precise, true
00:16 < AustinS> well thats like me being like yay a closet full of 10TB drives i can have as many as i want but its slow af. :(
00:16 < coderphive> M.2 PCIe
00:16 < coderphive> and you need to have 4 lanes
00:16 < AustinS> yeah, i got a 512GB one of the samsung nvme pro
00:16 < AustinS> oof
00:16 < coderphive> don't stick it on a 2 lane
00:16 < Disconsented> http://techreport.com/review/30993/samsung-960-evo-ssd-reviewed/5
00:16 < Disconsented> Dont fall into the nvmeme trap
00:16 <+layer-eight> * Disconsented →  ⚓  https://techreport.com/review/30993/samsung-960-evo-ssd-reviewed/5 → Samsung's 960 EVO SSD reviewed - The Tech Report - Page 5
00:16 < AustinS> best. thing. ever. but obv 512 GB.. so mostly OS + home + database goes on it.  and actualyl i think most of my DB's (for dev) are mounted to an older SSD cause i dont really need that kinda performance
00:17 < aName> Disconsented: They must have had something fucky going on
00:17 < Disconsented> No not really
00:17 < aName> Disconsented: They claim like 5x the performance of the SATA ones
00:17 < aName> Disconsented: So I'd expect at least double lol
00:17 < Disconsented> Sequential read/write != load times
00:17 < Disconsented> SSD's are great for their random preformance primarily
00:17 < Disconsented> even then you tend to be bottlenecked elsewhere logically at that point
00:17 < coderphive> I thought SSD RRW performance died off after a period of time
00:17 < Disconsented> Chances are if you actually need a PCIe drive... You need optane
00:18 < coderphive> That's what precise said
00:18 < AustinS> i mean you gotta really wear them out..
00:18 < AustinS> i remember an early SSD of mine.. cant remember which it was
00:18 < coderphive> won't gaming do that?
00:18 < AustinS> had a firmware bug, that after 5000 hours
00:18 < AustinS> it would randomly start crashing lmao'
00:18 < coderphive> kek
00:18 < AustinS> due to a bug in the reporting module of it.. took me .. so.. fucking.. long to figure it out
00:19 < coderphive> m.2 is expensive, plus you need a mobo with the lanes available
00:19 < coderphive> if you stick it on a 2 lane slot you're screwed
00:19 < AustinS> cause it'd bug out enough to just crash the OS but no signs pointing to why.. thought bad RAM.. bad everything.. finally updated firmware of that dumb ass drive once I saw the release note of it
00:19 < AustinS> yea thats the downfall, you cant have many of them..
00:19 <+precise> Also, you don't /need/ Optane if you need PCIe, they are mutally exclusive. A M.2 PCIe SSD is a good middle ground for people who don't want to shell out for Optane.
00:19 < rhqq> optane <3
00:20 < rhqq> optane makes me hard
00:20 < AustinS> oo havent looked into optane i need something to waste money and regret later!
00:20 < rhqq> no regrets really
00:20 < rhqq> performance is mind blowing
00:20 < AustinS> my last one was CPU many years ago lol Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-5960X
00:20 < rhqq> especially that latest thing they announced
00:20 <+precise> I need a new DAS enclosure for my 16 or so HDDs I've got lying around
00:20 < rhqq> ddr4-interfaced one
00:20 < AustinS> and actually its an amazing CPU just mad pricey and i probably overdid it a lot
00:20 < AustinS> but it's hung in there for a while now. mobo cant say the same..
00:21 < coderphive> I've stopped gaming so I don't think it matter much for me anymore
00:21 < aName> rhqq: It'd be nice if someone would make a card that takes old DDR2. I've got so much of the fucking stuff.
00:21 < aName> rhqq: And it'd still be quick, as disks go
00:21 < rhqq> there were cards like that in the past
00:21 <+precise> aName: Those RAID options for the MD1100 suck, infact that MD1100 sucks too, please give it to me to let you our of your misery
00:21 < aName> precise: lol
00:21 <+precise> aName: You can keep the drives
00:21 < aName> precise: I think we may actually have another one
00:21 <+precise> :D
00:21 <+precise> :D:D
00:21 <+precise> por favor senor
00:21 < Markdown1_> I am replacing my Ubuntu servers with Debian
00:21 < aName> precise: No promises though
00:21 < rhqq> Markdown1_: reason?
00:22 < rhqq> [serious]
00:22 < AustinS> omg i wish I remember where i dumped all my iPhone photos so i could find that pic i took of one of our storage drives
00:22 < Markdown1_> too much changes recently, also I don't trust Canonical anymore
00:22 < coderphive> that's not much of a move Markdown1_
00:22 < AustinS> one day i found like a 800TB drive and was holy shit.. but then found another
00:22 < rhqq> coderphive: agreed for once
00:22 < coderphive> Markdown1_, what changes specifically?
00:22 < rhqq> in fact i consider ubuntu server better
00:22 < coderphive> out of the box, yes
00:22 < rhqq> as it is usually quicker with security releases
00:23 < coderphive> If you're doing something specific then Debian is obviously less opinionated
00:23 < rhqq> hmm, what would be debian specific?
00:23 < rhqq> curious here
00:23 < Markdown1_> maybe I should move few to CentOS, but I am not used to it.
00:23 < coderphive> yikes
00:23 < coderphive> I've never enjoyed RHEL or CentOS
00:24 < rum_fiend> Markdown1_: good choice
00:24 < Markdown1_> I don't like Canonical anymore, not many reasons.
00:24 < coderphive> What spurred that?
00:24 < Markdown1_> the Microsoft partnership obviously.
00:24 < Markdown1_> also the Analytics.
00:25 < coderphive> I think you're all opt-in afaik
00:25 < coderphive> they're*
00:25 < rum_fiend> why would you want to move to a OS that doesnt let you/does not have a easy way of uprading to their next version release?
00:25 < rum_fiend> do you know how to upgrade from cent 6 to cent 7?
00:25 < Markdown1_> yep my servers were on 16.04
00:25 < AustinS> https://austin.gg/ss/w7SzFTh.jpg
00:25 <+layer-eight> * AustinS →  IMAGE/JPEG Document, 309,685 bytes
00:25 < AustinS> there she is O_O
00:26 < Adagio> AustinS: That's a big thingy
00:26 < coderphive> where did you get 5 PB of storage?
00:26 < aName> I love how the capacity is like 'I dunno, fuckin' hold on'
00:27 < AustinS> lmao yeah. it's one of (a few I think) storage things for video footage/archives. I forget the name of the system, but .. it's basically a room full of this racks of them
00:27 <+precise> Why the fuck would you use Windows on a 5 PB buildout?
00:27 < AustinS> Avid
00:27 < AustinS> :(
00:27 < coderphive> oh
00:27 < aName> precise: It's probably just mounted to a windows box
00:27 < coderphive> I thought you had that in your house
00:27 < coderphive> I was like wtf do you do
00:27 < Markdown1_> so according to you guys Ubuntu server is better than Debian?
00:27 <+precise> aName: I sure hope
00:27 < aName> I bet it's not actually running windows in the back room
00:27 <+precise> :P
00:28 < AustinS> yeah it's not
00:28 < coderphive> Markdown1_, depends on context
00:28 < AustinS> omg if I could somehow use 3.7PB ...
00:28 < AustinS> or even 1PB...
00:28 < agent_white> I'm not a fan of Debian ever.
00:28 <+precise> AustinS: Bruh
00:28 < aName> AustinS: I could.
00:28 < aName> AustinS: I'm not sure how useful the data would be
00:28 < aName> But I could generate it
00:28 <+precise> dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/bigaddsan
00:28 < coderphive>  /dev/zero
00:28 < AustinS> lmao well yeah i could USE it up, but .. of my own stuff .. thta i wanted.. not cloned
00:28 < rum_fiend> Markdown1_: after 3+ years of using debian, i cant say anything bad bout it, did several dist upgrades, almost nothing broke
00:28 <+precise> AustinS: /r/datahoarder
00:28 <+precise> That's how ^
00:29 < AustinS> lol yeah i found a screenshot right before that one of a drive that was 292 TB and i have an :O emoji on it
00:29 < AustinS> and then i found the real big one.. lmao. i was like oh that thing was just a babby.. and then I get back to my computer with my nice little 4/4 TB setup...
00:29 < AustinS> never felt so inadequate in muh life
00:29 < Markdown1_> rum_fiend yep I am interested in it because of that. and the stability.
00:30 < Markdown1_> rum_fiend I don't really think theres much alternatives anyways.
00:30 <+precise> HMEL
00:31 <+precise> Markdown1_: ^ Alternative
00:31 < aName> precise: Well... not quite what I had in mind, but that'd do the trick
00:31 < AustinS> ok shit maybe you guys can help me this reminds me since i found it in my iphone pics too....
00:31 < aName> precise: I was thinking more like.... broadband radio captures
00:31 <+precise> aName: Heh
00:31 < AustinS> what meme is this?  the guy w/ the mask?  someon ewas trying to draw something on the fucking whiteboard and rew this and i cracked up.. but I couldnt find the meme..
00:31 < AustinS> https://austin.gg/ss/pVtp424.jpg
00:31 <+layer-eight> * AustinS →  IMAGE/JPEG Document, 227,528 bytes
00:31 < rum_fiend> Markdown1_: some of the software in stable is quite old but thats why you add vendor mirrors or build from source if you want it tailored
00:31 < aName> precise: Just take a bunch of SDRs and capture everything
00:31 <+precise> lol
00:32 <+precise> noise floor < 0
00:32 < AustinS> i just vaguely recall a green mask on some :o face cartoon sketch lmao
00:32 <+precise> output > flac
00:32 < aName> You mean 'The Mask'?
00:37 < AustinS> maybe!? idk. it just reminds me of some meme or part of one a long time ago but i could not find it for the life of me.. but was driving me crazy while i was sitting in the meeting lmao
00:37 < aName> Although it does kind of remind me of 'YOU DON'T SAY"
00:43 < rhqq> good pizza is good
00:45 < gavit> what do you peopl use to monitor vms on a host? I dont want to install snmp on every vm
00:46 < rhqq> zabbix
00:46 < rhqq> but then, it's agent again
00:49 < rum_fiend> i think most decent monitorings require an agent so ..
00:50 < rhqq> yeah
00:51 < DLSteve> just ping the server periodically.
00:51 < kepler> add agent to your image, then use winrm or some ssh loop to install the agent
00:53 < DLSteve> they load like 50 agents on our VM images so I always have to oversize what I need.
00:55 < rhqq> im surprised you have enough vms to say "i dont want to install snmp on every vm" but you have no configuration management system
00:57 < DLSteve> rhqq, All my Windows servers are hand crafted!
00:57 < rhqq> oh my....
00:57 < kepler> lololol
00:57 < kepler> i like that phrasing
00:57 < AustinS> hand crafted with love
00:57 < rhqq> that sounds like a bad idea
00:57 < agent_white> 'I just ssh into each of the thousand boxes, individually'
00:57 < rhqq> and asking for trouble
00:57 < DLSteve> I inherited 48+ servers all manually provisioned. It sucks.
00:58 < rhqq> this doesnt prevent you from introducing /some/ automation
00:58 < kepler> you can use winrm maybe
00:58 < DLSteve> rhqq, I'm nuking them and moving to Linux with Puppet + Terraform lol
00:59 < rhqq> thats nice
00:59 < kepler> salt
00:59 < kepler> puppet is annoying
00:59 < rhqq> puppet!
00:59 < rhqq> puppet is sweet
00:59 < rhqq> ;p
00:59 < DLSteve> Most of the servers are non prod so they are in various states of "working"
00:59 < kepler> sweet for dorks
01:00 < DLSteve> Prod ones are pretty locked down configuration wise. Not much change.
01:01 < DLSteve> kepler, I use puppet as we already pay for the enterprise version and I don't have to maintain that infrastructure. It's owned by a different team.
01:01 < DLSteve> Personally I like Ansible the best out of all of them.
01:02 < rhqq> i was thinking about setting up some ansible to make initial pre-configuration and to install puppet for ongoing/longterm
01:03 < rhqq> because right now i have just a bash script that i need to start from within machine
01:03 < rhqq> it'd be nice to skip first step ;p
01:03 < DLSteve> I do use Ansible for deployment while Puppet actually manages the server state.
01:03 < rhqq> yea, something like that
01:03 < rhqq> its on my todo
01:04 < DLSteve> I'm a Linux person stuck on a mostly Window team lol.
01:04 < DLSteve> *Windows
01:04 < rhqq> that sucks
01:04 < rhqq> but puppet can do windowses too...
01:05 < DLSteve> yah it can, just hard to convince the Windows admins to use it. Trying to talk them into at least PowerShell DCS.
01:05 < rpifan> did yall get a chance to laugh about our disasster recovery plan at work yet
01:05 < rhqq> not yet
01:05 < pcspkr> DLSteve: DSC is already dead
01:06 < rpifan> so i asked at work what our disaster recovery plan, they senior dev said "we dont need one everyone is on AWS and in mutliple AZs"
01:06 < DLSteve> pcspkr, Did they kill it?
01:06 < AustinS> all our windows family is literally a whole separate department lol. neither wanted anything to do with eachother back in the day thus two different groups, but it also makes sense here
01:06 < rhqq> rpifan: that's what i'd expect from developers
01:06 < pcspkr> DLSteve: yeah essentially, they're writing a new one for powershell core that's cross platform
01:06 < AustinS> ones corporate IT side, ones everything digital/consumer-ish side
01:06 < rpifan> which is just about how we make policy at work
01:06 < DLSteve> pcspkr, Ah gotcha.
01:06 < rpifan> the worst part is i asked about this weeks ago on slack
01:07 < rhqq> geez ,developers are idiots if it comes to ops stuf
01:07 < rpifan> and no one said anything at all
01:07 < AustinS> we manage our stuff, they manage theirs! and at the rate I've seen them try to do linux shit it will probably remain
01:07 < DLSteve> rhqq, Not all of us.
01:07 < AustinS> ^^
01:07 < rpifan> speaking of which, what is the difference between the infrastrucutre manager and the sys admin
01:07 < DLSteve> rhqq, Many are
01:07 < rhqq> yeah, sorry for generalization, but
01:07 < rhqq> ugh
01:07 < rhqq> i seen too many
01:07 < DLSteve> I get just as pissed when I meet such "devs".
01:08 < rhqq> to be fair devs who work with me just understand that i'm paid to do my part and they dont cross the line
01:08 < AustinS> yeah. just cause they can install some stuff for a dev environment on their mac they think they can do ops stuff. i have one group praising this guys stuff because he implemented "CI/CD" around his project
01:08 < xe0n> dont let it get to you so much lol
01:08 < AustinS> but it's so hacked together and hard coded and super specific to the project.. that .. it won't.. it's just bad lol
01:08 < DLSteve> As I usually am the one having to debug their production failures as they have no clue how their application environment works.
01:09 < AustinS> just cause its hacky and works doesn't mean it's proper or even close to good.. just everyone else is too slammed on time to actually do it proper. really wish I could. :|
01:09 < DLSteve> rhqq, I do mostly dev work but I help out a lot on the ops side as we are a small team.
01:09 < rhqq> i see
01:10 < rum_fiend> DLSteve: sorry man ;/
01:10 < AustinS> uhhh the heat/HVAC is going a bit cray in the office right now
01:10 < AustinS> i swear it went up ... at least 8-10 degrees in the last 20 mins.. its getting pretty.. fucking.. warm lol
01:11 < AustinS> would be pretty cool if it chilled out :P  i saw people working but.. not sure on what.
01:12 < DLSteve> rum_fiend, I don't mind it. Sometimes I get stuck on a programming issue and it's helpful to switch gears and help out with support tickets. Also allows me to look at issue and work on bug fixes or other mitigation efforts.
01:12 < AustinS> DLSteve, exactly.. I am SO overwhelmed at amount of responsibility and shit I have to do.. but I would also be miserable if I was stuck in one role
01:13 < AustinS> also helps to have a bigger picture/I'm able to troubleshoot and fix most things quickly when it comes down to it because of that.. but that also means turning into the go-to person for .. everything
01:13 < AustinS> i just need to hire someone else to help out, cause the people that were are half gone now.. and weren't supre pulling weight anyways/this isn't their expertise area
01:13 < AustinS> need to hire some young person thats motivated
01:14 < DLSteve> Yah we have one dev who litterally just want you to hand him a design or spec and he codes it, wants nothing to do with anything outside of that. Can't really do that on a small team so we but heads a lot.
01:15 < DLSteve> I had to show him how to get his application to use the corporate CA to avoid SSL errors, things like that annoy me.
01:15 < AustinS> what state you in?? :D ha
01:15 < pcspkr> DLSteve: the ole waterfall coder eh?
01:15 < DLSteve> pcspkr, yah, very much so.
01:15 < DLSteve> AustinS, Seattle area.
01:16 < AustinS> ugh yeah, i had one nice product that we hired all these alright devs on, but they literally just .. process the ticket verbatim, and toss shit in there.. it looks so clunky/amateurish now :(
01:16 < AustinS> ahh damn. :P
01:16 < AustinS> but nice! I moved from Portland at beginning of year.. miss it :(
01:16 < DLSteve> Yah Portland is a nice city as well.
01:18 < AustinS> i should stat lookign for someone, and not their typical shit way of hiring thru these 3rd parties.. so hard to find a decent person that way. Although half of it's probably who's interviewing too.
01:19 < AustinS> i have no open head right now but they're constantly like double/triple asking if i'm overwhelmed/"just say!".. so i cant imagine it'd be too hard to get someone temporary/permanent.. It's winding down at least
01:19 < AustinS> but you know how it goes... one problem after another :)
01:20 < DLSteve> AustinS, I did freelance web dev for a while so I had to learn a lot of the sysadmin stuff out of necessity. You learn a lot when you have to build and do all the security hardening for a site thats being exposed to the world.
01:20 < AustinS> yeah. i mean pretty much the only effective way to learn IMO  is just .. trial by fire
01:21 < AustinS> you can read up and try to remember everything, but everyone has their own opinions and not every solution works for everyone.. have to learn by trialing and know what suits that specific project. (and then learn some more)
01:21 < DLSteve> yup, I learned early on to not have too not be too much of a tech snob lol. Use the tool best suited for the job.
01:22 < AustinS> yea. and admit right away when you're wrong. lol
01:22 < DLSteve> I mainly work on the Identity provisioning system right now. It's a big monolithic IBM Java application running on WebSphere.
01:22 < AustinS> anyone that can just come up and straight up admit they were wrong or fucked up and own it.. much respect, and then when they say they DIDN'T or really feel strongly about something, so much easier to trust them
01:22 < AustinS> vs. the guy that fights you on every. thing. but then when asked to explain it, can't vocalize it and/or goes in circles.. starts to get tiresome
01:23 < DLSteve> Obviously not my first choice, but I have ripped it apart and have a very good grasp of it's inner workings.
01:23 < DLSteve> and at the end of the day it does the job.
01:23 < xe0n> the best part of the industry is sharing knowledge.
01:23 < AustinS> olord lol. well that's good at least ha. yeah i constantly dig around and try to get into things/learn how stuff works around here so I know.. and also just to see if there's stupid flaws/oversights that we just deal with that could be easily cleaned up
01:24 < DLSteve> AustinS, Yah I always just admit upfront about a mistake, easer to cut your losses and fix the issue rather than hide it.
01:24 < AustinS> so many mini projects start that way and then end up being part of normal day life here
01:24 < AustinS> yeah. don't try to safe face at the cost of trust.. one is much easier to regain than the other :p
01:24 < DLSteve> AustinS, I have gone as far as to decompile some of the jars to see what it's doing lol. Documentation is not great which make writing our custom extensions for it interesting.
01:25 < AustinS> just wish more people realized it or could see that its not the end of the world
01:25 < AustinS> lol ugh.. sounds like a pain but
01:25 < AustinS> hopefully worth the $ :p
01:25 < AustinS> for the*
01:25 < DLSteve> I'm already planning our migration off lol.
01:26 < DLSteve> It will be a 2+ year process though. There is a lot of badly written custom code thats integrated into it that I am in the process of rewriting as stand alone services.
01:27 < DLSteve> Once those have been externalized I can begin a phased migration.
01:28 < AustinS> sure it'll be satisfying af once that starts moving.. i remember doing that.  We have a few things we're doign that with here too
01:28 < DLSteve> Problem with this think is that it has so many moving parts and down stream connection you can very easily unintentionally break something.
01:28 < DLSteve> *thing
01:28 < AustinS> have like .. 5 different systems to all kinda coordinate/tie together the main  system.. trying to bring it all into our one in-house
01:28 < AustinS> it was like .. 2 years of politics and planning/re-planning and more politics.... but.. progress lol
01:29 < DLSteve> I'm still in the progress of figuring out what we are migrating too lol.
01:29 < DLSteve> management just want off this one as IBM is expensive.
01:30 < AustinS> yyea can imagine.
01:31 < DLSteve> Not looking forward to reimplementing all the special snowflake logic SAP wants.
01:31 < AustinS> omg.. I need to take a quick break and step outside lol. it's SO warm in here right now and I'm already very tired/staying awake on monsters and shit.. but the hot is just draining
01:31 < AustinS> ugh yeah.. and you know there will be absolutely no scope creep whatsoever! ;)
01:32 < SleePy> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208849 So AMD is mentioned here.. Interesting
01:32 <+layer-eight> * SleePy →  About the security content of macOS High Sierra 10.13.5, Security Update 2018-003 Sierra, Security Update 2018-003 El Capitan - Apple Support
01:33 < DLSteve> AustinS, I made friends with my PM and we are united on killing project scope creep lol.
01:33 < SleePy> Anyone know of another term that could be used for AMD that I am not thinking of?
01:34 < DLSteve> It always throws me off when I see "Windows Server" at the bottom lol.
01:35 < L3gacy> Good bacon to all and to all some good bacon!
01:39 < genr8_> mmm  bacon
01:41 < genr8_> apple memory device ? idk probably something dumb
01:41 < genr8_> lets loko up the CVE
01:41 < genr8_> Apple Mac OS X contains a flaw in the AMD component. The issue is triggered as user-supplied input is not properly validated
01:43 < SleePy> Still doesn't answer it.  But seems like it is some module.  Maybe like you said.
01:43 < genr8_> i think ive tracked it to being called "Almond"
01:44 < genr8_> . as well as the "Almond" lightweight AMD loader ( https://github.com/jrburke/almond ).
01:44 <+layer-eight> * genr8_ →  ⚓  https://github.com/requirejs/almond → GitHub → requirejs → almond → A minimal AMD API implementation for use after optimized builds → @ ~ a year ago → JavaScript → ✡ 2,436 → Forks: 170 → ☹ 5
01:44 < SleePy> Can't be.  Everything was named after cats until a few years ago
01:45 < genr8_> this isnt the OS man lol
01:45 < genr8_> just a program
01:45 < SleePy> Asynchronous Module Definition
01:46 < SleePy> Seems logical tracking out of your repo to the AMD link
01:47 < SleePy> Although that seems it might be javascript only, but who knows.  Maybe somebody found a way to cause a kernel issue with javascript
01:47 < Hunterkll> UPDATED WITH NEW LOOK - TABLES ENABLED - https://www.hugebuttholes.com/
01:47 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  Home of #reddit-sysadmin
01:50 < genr8_> i found some old CVE's that reference it,, CVE-2016-1791 and CVE-2016-1792
01:50 < Hunterkll> >2016
01:50 < Hunterkll> >old
01:51 < Hunterkll> :'(
01:52 < genr8_> googling isnt going well
01:52 < genr8_> CVE-2016-1792 : beist and ABH of BoB  CVE-2016-1791 : daybreaker of Minionz
01:52 <@cryptic1> try lmgtfy
01:52 < genr8_> find those people and ask them :)
01:53 <@cryptic1> or try bing
01:53 <@cryptic1> bing will have the answers for sure
01:53 < genr8_> they're calling it the "AMD subsystem" back in 2016, not "AMD Component"
01:55 < genr8_> what if its just for AMD graphics or something.
01:55 < genr8_> im gonna have to say its just for AMD graphics since i couldnt find anything else and I dont think tis almond anymore
01:59 < rhqq> cryptic1: go back to work
01:59 <@cryptic1> D:
02:05 < SleePy> AMD graphics make sense actually.  They put those into their machines.  I believe the Mac Pros had them at one point.
02:05 < abakedapplepie> i dont think theyve used amd in a long while
02:07 < genr8_> its still in there.
02:07 < MillerBoss> `bofh
02:07 <+layer-eight> BOFH /pub/lunch
02:07 < genr8_> obviously the new OS would need it
02:07 < MillerBoss> `bofh
02:07 <+layer-eight> BOFH Excess surge protection
02:07 < MillerBoss> `bofh
02:07 <+layer-eight> BOFH Party-bug in the aloha protocol.
02:14 < Hunterkll> genr8_, congrats, you made the list https://www.hugebuttholes.com/
02:14 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  Home of #reddit-sysadmin
02:14 < genr8_> thanks
02:15 < Hunterkll> =]
02:15 < genr8_> i been sayin it for a while, 2018 is year of the gape
02:15 < genr8_> deny all you want, go on any website, huge buttholes are huge now
02:16 < AustinS> been makin buttholes huge since day 1
02:16 < GenteelBen> genr8_, I remember when gapes were real. Now everybody's gaping for Instagram likes.
02:16 < genr8_> heh
02:16 < genr8_> theres thousands of females ruining their own assholes with buttplugs and sending them to people this very moment
02:16 < GenteelBen> Celebrity gape pics are the new nip slips.
02:17 < GenteelBen> It's sickening how gapes have become devalued and commoditised.
02:17 < pcspkr> does it offend your gentile sensibilities?
02:17 < genr8_> are you suggesting (((they))) are responsible ?
02:18 < MillerBoss> >Fuck off, no cocaine for you
02:18 < MillerBoss> But but why not?
02:18 < Hunterkll> I HAVE ADDED MORE COLORS
02:18 < Hunterkll> https://www.hugebuttholes.com/
02:18 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  Home of #reddit-sysadmin
02:18 < Hunterkll> MORE COLORS
02:18 < GenteelBen> You're like the 500th person to call me gentile instead of genteel.
02:18 < genr8_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenteal
02:18 <+layer-eight> * genr8_ →  Jenteal - Wikipedia
02:18 < GenteelBen> Hunterkll: looking at that list, they're all horrible people and suspected Ubuntu users.
02:19 < Hunterkll> lol
02:19 < genr8_> haha
02:19 < Hunterkll> agreed
02:20 < GenteelBen> Nice use of HTML marquees, btw.
02:20 < GenteelBen> It's 1997-chic.
02:20 < rhqq> Hunterkll:
02:20 < rhqq> you have an extra >
02:20 < rhqq> around DomLS3
02:21 < genr8_> &gt;
02:22 < Hunterkll> SpeakerToMeat, stop following me
02:22 < Hunterkll> :P
02:22 < Hunterkll> rhqq, i don't see it
02:22 < Hunterkll> refresh maybe?
02:22 < SpeakerToMeat> Hunterkll: hey... that's MY joke
02:22 < Hunterkll> oh
02:22 < AustinS> u need hamster dance music on there imo
02:22 < Hunterkll> it's nonvisible
02:22 < AustinS> <3
02:23 < Hunterkll> rhqq, found it, it was after the closing marquee tag
02:23 < rhqq> mhm
02:23 < AustinS> and trailing mouse cursors, ofc. idk how you forgot that!! its the craze man
02:24 < Hunterkll> AustinS, i haven't gotten to the CSS section of my book yet
02:24 < SpeakerToMeat> Hunterkll: reading?
02:25 < SpeakerToMeat> Hunterkll: CSS is gone, you're supposed to do use a generator now, I forgot the name
02:25 < Hunterkll> no?
02:25 < Hunterkll> shit
02:25 < Hunterkll> CSS keeps growing
02:26 < genr8_> CSS and PHP just dont seem to stick in my mind
02:26 < AustinS> bitmap images for styling duh
02:26 < AustinS> gd n00bs here
02:26 < AustinS> also i was outside and we're totally running on generator right now, not sure why. but .. workingwell cause i had no idea til i went out there and went deaf
02:27 < SpeakerToMeat> plus you're supposed to do everything using bootstrap too
02:27 < AustinS> mootools
02:27 < AustinS> or w/e it was called :3
02:28 < SpeakerToMeat> Well on one hand a css generator feels like stupidity to me... on the other, having worked with css before, anything that can shield me from that is welcome
02:28 < Hunterkll> lol
02:29 < Hunterkll> SpeakerToMeat, remember i am limited to 1 book from 1998 in terms of web tech
02:29 < Hunterkll> so
02:29 < Hunterkll> >:3
02:29 < SpeakerToMeat> Why?
02:29 < GenteelBen> I turn away for 5 minutes, and SpeakerToMeat derails our anal gape discussion with talk of CSS?
02:29 < SpeakerToMeat> I mean if it's a book from 1998 you might be still allowed to use tables instead of doing it all with divs and css, but still.... why
02:29 < GenteelBen> For shame, SpeakerToMeat.
02:30 < SpeakerToMeat> GenteelBen: Dude stop feeding moriarty for the love of god
02:30 < GenteelBen> And yes, a book from 1998 is going to be useless.
02:30 < Hunterkll> SpeakerToMeat, because it's on my floor
02:30 < Hunterkll> and i've had it since like 2003-2005
02:30 < Hunterkll> so now i'm using it
02:30 < Hunterkll> to develop hugebuttholes.com
02:30 < SpeakerToMeat> yyyeeeahhh.....
02:30 < GenteelBen> SpeakerToMeat: he feeds himself, like a black hole in a binary system with a red giant.
02:30 < SpeakerToMeat> And if you find a rotten potato from 1986 will you eat it?
02:30 < GenteelBen> Hunterkll, do you actually want to learn how to code?
02:30 < GenteelBen> Even a 5-year-old programming book is out of date...let alone 20 years.
02:30 < Hunterkll> GenteelBen, I actually know how to, thank you very much, in many languages and styles
02:31 < Hunterkll> the trouble is i keep writing stuff and doing it with newer CSS techniques and shit
02:31 < SpeakerToMeat> Seriously dude, if you're having fun ok, but if you are wanting to learn use something that wont damage you permanently
02:31 < Hunterkll> then i have to go back into the book and figure out how to do it
02:31 < GenteelBen> Hunterkll: HTML 1.0, HTML 1.1, HTML 2.0, HTML 3.0, HTML 3.1 and HTML 4.0?
02:31 < Hunterkll> GenteelBen, HTML 4.01 transitional
02:31 < GenteelBen> Oh, and HTML 0.9 draft?
02:31 < SpeakerToMeat> feck 4.01 transitional
02:31 < SpeakerToMeat> I forgot that one....
02:31 < Hunterkll> SpeakerToMeat, please note that I've had this book for almost 15 years
02:31 < GenteelBen> Actually SpeakerToMeat has a good point. You're actively making yourself stupider by reading that book.
02:31 < SpeakerToMeat> from the era where we didn't have to close our <br>s
02:31 < Hunterkll> obviously i've read it once or twice when it was relevant
02:32 < GenteelBen> It's almost as damaging as reading an AJAX book in 2018.
02:32 < GenteelBen> >_>
02:32 < GenteelBen> <_<
02:32 < Hunterkll> :D
02:32 < aName> ... why would you close a <br> ?
02:32 < aName> It's a singleton
02:32 < Hunterkll> hahahahahah
02:32 < aName> Is that seriously part of the spec now?
02:32 < GenteelBen> lol you got a live one Hunterkll.
02:32 < Hunterkll> GenteelBen, back in 2003 when this book was relevant I was working on embedded linux ports to PDAs and submitting kernel patches
02:32 < GenteelBen> Reel 'er in.
02:32 < GenteelBen> Hunterkll, and what does that have to do with gapes?
02:32 < Hunterkll> I think i'll be okay
02:32 < aName> GenteelBen: Kindly go fuck yourself.
02:32 < Hunterkll> hugebuttholes.com is an exercise in stupidity :D
02:32 < GenteelBen> Then add aName to that list.
02:33 < Hunterkll> already working on it
02:33 < rhqq> Hunterkll: really? i thought you were serious ;'(
02:33 < Hunterkll> GenteelBen, done
02:33 < GenteelBen> aName is a Make-a-Wish kid, whose dream is to appear in a HTML 4.0 compliant list of buttholes.
02:33 <+precise> ....
02:34 <+precise> wot...
02:34 < Hunterkll> precise, you're on the list too! :D
02:34 < Hunterkll> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">
02:34 < Hunterkll> yea
02:34 < Hunterkll> my web based HTML file editor on my hosting thinks that's invalid
02:34 <+precise> wtf even is this chan anymore
02:34 < Hunterkll> because it's not just <!DOCTYPE HTML>
02:34 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  TEXT/PLAIN Document, 0 bytes
02:34 < GenteelBen> lol aName got #rekt.
02:34 < Hunterkll> which is indicitive of HTML5, well fuck off with that shit
02:34 < aName> precise: I dunno. I'm gone, though. Fuck this place.
02:34 < GenteelBen> precise, we're trying to convince Hunterkll to stop using a programming book from 1997.
02:34 < Hunterkll> lol what
02:34 <+precise> Welp
02:34 < Hunterkll> AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
02:34 < Hunterkll> BAHAHAHAHAHA
02:34 < GenteelBen> Oh jeez.
02:34 < GenteelBen> This is why we can't have nice things, people.
02:34 < Hunterkll> cryptic1, aname just ragequit and i think it was because of https://www.hugebuttholes.com/ as the tipping point
02:34 <+precise> Yeah, this chan has been straight cancer as of late
02:35 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  Home of #reddit-sysadmin
02:35  * GenteelBen sighs
02:35 < Hunterkll> he just earned his place on there
02:35 < GenteelBen> I'll go find him.
02:35 < Hunterkll> nah
02:35 < Hunterkll> let him flip out
02:35 < m4221> NinjaStyle: hey
02:35 < GenteelBen> He's in #photogeeks, Hunterkll.
02:35 <@cryptic1> why did you make him mad?
02:35 < m4221> GenteelBen: you're back
02:35 < Hunterkll> GenteelBen, yea, oh well
02:35 < GenteelBen> cryptic1: you haven't seen that list yet, have you?
02:35 < m4221> precise is the cancer, right?
02:35 < Hunterkll> GenteelBen, and you can't convince me to not use the book from 1998 as a limiting factor
02:36 < Hunterkll> >:3
02:36 < Hunterkll> GenteelBen, oh he's seen it. he was the very very first entry
02:36 < Hunterkll> he's seen it since before it was even https enabled
02:36 <@cryptic1> GenteelBen, i have don't really care
02:36 < GenteelBen> What's with the stars around his nick?
02:36  * cryptic1 shurgs
02:36 < Hunterkll> only the best butthole security
02:36  * cryptic1 shrugs
02:36 < Hunterkll> GenteelBen, because he's special <3
02:36 < Hunterkll> that's why he's not in the table, but above it
02:36 < GenteelBen> Yeah he shrugs a lot.
02:36 < Hunterkll> chief butthole
02:36 < GenteelBen> Chief Anal Architect
02:36 < GenteelBen> Let's use relevant job titles.
02:37 < Hunterkll> lol
02:37 <@cryptic1> or lets not
02:37 < Hunterkll> woah
02:38 < Hunterkll> this ipkvm session managed to stay connected for over 24 hours
02:38 < Hunterkll> that's ... unusual
02:38 < MillerBoss> s/that's/I'm
02:38 <+layer-eight> [SED MillerBoss/Hunterkll] I'm ... unusual
02:38 < Hunterkll> speaking of...
02:38 < Hunterkll> GenteelBen, since when the hell was HTML considered programming anyway
02:38 < coderphive> it's formatting
02:39 < coderphive> Jinja is more programming than HTML
02:39 < Hunterkll> it's a markup language
02:39 < Hunterkll> not a programming language
02:39 < Hunterkll> it's even in the name sheeesh
02:39 < Hunterkll> coderphive,
02:39 < Hunterkll> <GenteelBen> precise, we're trying to convince Hunterkll to stop using a programming book from 1997.
02:39 < Hunterkll> HTML, XML, and Java 1.2
02:39 < coderphive> I mean, DHTML is in the book right?
02:39 < Hunterkll> i suppose the java part /might/ pass as programming, but i'm not using it since it don't work in browses anymore so
02:39 < Hunterkll> yea
02:39 < coderphive> That's programming
02:39 < Hunterkll> but it's later on
02:39 < coderphive> wait
02:39 < SpeakerToMeat> cryptic1: Are you ok?
02:40 < coderphive> Send me a picture of this book
02:40 < AustinS> ok bye my bb's goign to sign off and actually focus
02:40 < coderphive> I feel like I've had this book as a child
02:40 < AustinS> enjoy your butthole site
02:40 < Hunterkll> coderphive, https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/078971759X/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
02:40 <@cryptic1> hey SpeakerToMeat
02:40 < GenteelBen> Anybody else annoyed that Sun so quickly killed off Java 9 in favour of Java 10?
02:40 < GenteelBen> Er
02:40 < Hunterkll> it's been kicking around in my bedroom for like 15 years
02:40 < GenteelBen> s/Sun/Oracle
02:40 <+layer-eight> [SED GenteelBen] Anybody else annoyed that Oracle so quickly killed off Java 9 in favour of Java 10?
02:40 < GenteelBen> I feel like it's part of their evil plan.
02:40 < coderphive> nvm
02:40 < SpeakerToMeat> cryptic1: can I msg?
02:40 < coderphive> Never had that one
02:40 < Hunterkll> coderphive, i'm implementing hugebuttholes.com using whatever i know off the top of my head, then validating that it exists in this book, or if not, re-implemtning using only what's in this book
02:41 <@cryptic1> SpeakerToMeat, don't ask just do
02:41 < GenteelBen> AustinS just talked himself onto the butthole list.
02:41 < Hunterkll> wat
02:41 < coderphive> oh shi
02:41 < coderphive> THAT WAS A BAN
02:41 < Hunterkll> aName must have cried
02:41 < coderphive> MY FIRST BAN
02:41 < coderphive> Can we take this moment
02:41 <+precise> coderphive: What was you?
02:41 <+precise> That was you?
02:41 < MillerBoss> Hall monitor again
02:41 < coderphive> ban that I observed*
02:41 < Hunterkll> i think it's the first time he's witnessed a ban in here
02:41 < Hunterkll> yea
02:42 <+precise> Oh
02:42 < coderphive> I have zero influence in this chan
02:42 < rhqq> BANT™
02:42 < rhqq> cryptic1: back to work!
02:42 <@cryptic1> D:
02:42 < rhqq> :*
02:43 < Hunterkll> DOWN WITH CRYPTIC1
02:43 < Hunterkll> UNFAIR BANTS
02:43 < Hunterkll> dear god i'm so glad to have my VM farm off of that set of 2950s
02:43 < Hunterkll> it's like I upgraded from a Yugo to a turbocharged Pinto
02:43 < Hunterkll> or a metro geo
02:43 < coderphive> oh shi
02:43 < Hunterkll> :o
02:44 < rhqq> ?
02:44 < coderphive> * ChanServ gives channel operator status to precise
02:44 < rhqq> and
02:44 <@precise> Fuckin great
02:44 < Hunterkll> lol
02:44 < rhqq> are you guys surprised? :P
02:44 < Hunterkll> urgh
02:44 < MillerBoss> ¿
02:44 <@precise> Hunterkll: Quit being a toxic cunt
02:44 < Hunterkll> i still need to run this damn procmon capture of SQL installer
02:44 <@precise> MillerBoss: Quit calling me a hall monitor you cunt
02:44 < Hunterkll> precise, you know, i'm not really
02:44 < Hunterkll> mkay
02:45 < rhqq> xD
02:45 < MillerBoss> I never called you a hall monitor, you child.
02:45  * Hunterkll facepalms
02:45  * rhqq faceplants
02:45 < Hunterkll> MillerBoss, you call everyone who questions anything a hall monitor
02:45 < Hunterkll> oh boy
02:45 < Hunterkll> here we go
02:45 < rhqq> bant™
02:45 < coderphive> whew, it was a prolonged ban THEN kick
02:45 < Hunterkll> hwo you do the tm
02:46 < rhqq> shit alt t
02:46 < Hunterkll> neat
02:46 < rhqq> ®© under R
02:46 < rhqq> adds some drama to names calling ;-þ
02:46 < Hunterkll> side note - anyone know anything about SQL service account validation in the installer? me and microsoft support can't get accounts to validate in what's basically a virgin domain with all the right permissions assigned via GPO
02:46 <@precise> MillerBoss: Welcome back.
02:46 <@precise> Quit being a dick.
02:46 < Hunterkll> precise has earned his place on the list
02:46 < Hunterkll> w00t
02:47 < MillerBoss> Eat a dick precise. Okay?
02:47 < Hunterkll> i've had a ticket open with microsoft for like 2 months now trying to solve the issue
02:47 < MillerBoss> You just proved to everyone here how you are. :)
02:47 < Hunterkll> installing using local system/service account default settings then switching to service account afterwards does work just fine. so it's just the validation in the installer
02:47 <@precise> MillerBoss: You first man. Ever since that shit with mal and Ninja, you've been on my case. You childish ass
02:47 < rhqq> geez, guys, stop licking each other dicks
02:47 < MillerBoss> LOLOL
02:47 <@precise> MillerBoss: Just drop it
02:47 < Hunterkll> ^
02:47 < silentfury-s4pro> *popcorn*
02:47 < MillerBoss> You brought up tool
02:48 < Hunterkll> what
02:48 < Hunterkll> wow
02:48 <@precise> bye
02:48 < Hunterkll> 5th grade in here
02:48 < rhqq> precise: if you stuck a piece of coal up your butt, how long would it take for you to give a birth to a diamond? :P
02:48 < Hunterkll> anyway, let me reiterate my question again
02:48 <@precise> rhqq: two days
02:48 < rhqq> ok, you're lower management then
02:48 <@precise> rhqq: I actually ride a lawn mower
02:49 < Hunterkll> actually, you know what? with you tools in here i doubt i'll get an answer to an actual technical question
02:49 < Hunterkll> ah well
02:49 <@precise> Hunterkll: You are a toxic fuck in here
02:49 <@precise> Don't turn the tables
02:49 < coderphive> I know literally nothing about Windows
02:49 < rhqq> Hunterkll: would you ever expect this channel to be any helpful? :P
02:49 < Hunterkll> your definition of toxic is amusing
02:49 < Hunterkll> and my definition of 'light humor' is hardly the worst in here
02:50 < coderphive> tbh you are pretty toxic at times
02:50 <@precise> This channel is never helpful because Hunterkll is constantly in here incessantly warbeling on about what ever tickles his dick.
02:50 < Hunterkll> lol
02:50 < rhqq> oh c'mon
02:50 < rhqq> xD
02:50 < rhqq> you're all taking things too serious
02:50 <@precise> This chan has lost ALOT of smart people over the past month or two
02:50 < Hunterkll> pretty much
02:50 <@precise> It's been on the downhill for a while
02:51 < Hunterkll> precise, and over the past month or two has been the least active i've been in a long time... actually, the past few months i've been super inactive due to all my travelling
02:51 < rhqq> it's a fucking irc channel for fuckin trolls veting off after stressful (which being sysadmin indubitabli can) work
02:51 < Hunterkll> so
02:51 < rhqq> for fuck sake, chill
02:51 < coderphive> ome of r/sysadmin | No Trolling, No Politics
02:51 <@precise> rhqq: It's not that I'm angry per se. I'm just pointing out what no one else will fucking point out
02:51 < Hunterkll> lol
02:51 <@precise> What some of the other mods won't say
02:51 < rhqq> coderphive: i hope you already grasped the idea
02:51 < Hunterkll> precise, and yet you're pointing out a time period of when i've been the least active i've ever been
02:51 < Hunterkll> mkay
02:51 < rhqq> politics, religion and trolling 24x7
02:52 < agent_white> I find this place helpful ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
02:52 <@precise> Hunterkll: You can pull evidence out of your ass all you want.
02:52 < Hunterkll> same
02:52 < Hunterkll> evidence?
02:52 < Hunterkll> lol
02:52 < coderphive> rhqq, what I pasted is part of the topic
02:52 < rhqq> coderphive: yeah, i know ;p
02:52 < rhqq> i can see it on top of the window 24x7 as well
02:52 < Hunterkll> but yes, to say the channel is never helpful solely because of me is fucking hilarious
02:52 < coderphive> never know bae
02:53 < rhqq> anyways, gotta shower. precise chill =] we're already hated by most in our workplaces, no need to drag that over here
02:53 <@precise> Fuck this place man
02:53 <@cryptic1> break time
02:56 <@cryptic1> I think people forgot that irc clients have the ignore feature
02:58 < Hunterkll> at least i don't go off defending nazis, trolling the shit out of someone until they ragequit, calling everyone racist, insulting people in rather creative ways about how they can't get laid and are worthless because of that, stalking people among other channels and forcing them to ragequit, etc... but oh no, I'M the only problem. I'm a fair bit trolly and argumentative but i don't exactly bow down to personal attacks
02:58 < Hunterkll> and harassment levels. :> lol. and you're right in one on that about ignore cryptic1 ...
02:58 < Hunterkll> though honestly
02:59 < Hunterkll> I have a highlight and alarm for whenever my bae cryptic1 speaks
02:59 < Hunterkll> <3
02:59 < MillerBoss> Thats was totally all out of left field for sure Hunterkll
02:59 < Hunterkll> *shrug*
02:59 < Hunterkll> i know i'm a mild asshole and don't really care
02:59 < Hunterkll> but damn
02:59 < Hunterkll> people be havin' breakdowns n shit
03:00 <+SpeakerToMeat> That was odd
03:00 < Hunterkll> nah
03:00 < Hunterkll> that was just sad
03:00 < Hunterkll> this is odd -> https://nypost.com/2018/05/31/woman-born-without-vagina-gets-one-made-from-tilapia-fish-skin/?utm_content=inf_26_2731_2&utm_source=tsefacebook&utm_medium=tsefb&utm_campaign=tse&tse_id=INF_be7c24d065d011e89329dd0273c7bbe8
03:00 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  Woman born without genitalia gets vagina made from fish scales
03:01 < coderphive> I don't think you mean to Hunterkll, but you can be pretty toxic at times
03:01 < coderphive> I don't think he was saying you're 100% of the problem
03:01 < Hunterkll> coderphive, i think the argument here would be what you define as 'toxic'
03:01 < Hunterkll> oh no
03:01 < Hunterkll> he outright said that
03:01 < Hunterkll> :D
03:01 < Hunterkll> <precise> This channel is never helpful because Hunterkll is constantly in here incessantly warbeling on about what ever tickles his dick.
03:03 < Hunterkll> coderphive, i'd say that what precise just demonstrated is what i'd call toxic, i'm obstinate and argumentative.
03:03 < coderphive> Hunterkll, as someone that likes you most of the time, you can be toxic
03:04 < Hunterkll> you're failing to define 'toxic' in this case
03:04 < coderphive> It goes beyond obstinate and argumentative
03:04 < Hunterkll> of course you fail to define things often so that's not surprising ;)
03:04 < Hunterkll> instead you just tell us to google it ourselves
03:04 < MillerBoss> Back to regular scheduled programming.
03:04 < coderphive> I did that once, when talked about SDN, because it's something that was very common
03:05 < Hunterkll> actually, over all three long discussions i was involved in in this channel with you you did that to multiple people
03:05 < Hunterkll> :D
03:05 < coderphive> like if you're going to challenge an idea, you should know some of the basic premises behind it
03:05 < Hunterkll> at least in that case, it was that I did know, but wanted to know what /your/ definition was to get the viewpoint of where you're coming from
03:06 < Hunterkll> but eh
03:06 < coderphive> Look man, you can continue to act like that, or you can admit you can be better
03:06 < coderphive> I can be better
03:06 < coderphive> If I frustrated you with that, I apologize
03:06 < coderphive> I didn't mean to
03:06 < Hunterkll> that was probably what generated 90% of that discussion
03:06 < Hunterkll> was the lack of knowing your actual viewpoint
03:06 < Hunterkll> lol
03:06 < Hunterkll> and being told repeatedly "just google it if you don't know"
03:06 < coderphive> Right, but that's not how you framed it, you just kept asking me what it was
03:07 < Hunterkll> I asked how you define it
03:07 < Hunterkll> i figured that was clear enough -_-
03:07 < rpifan> my tie dye kit for 6 ppl has arrive dlol
03:07 < coderphive> Nope, that's not how you framed it
03:07 < Hunterkll> rpifan, the 70s called
03:07 < Hunterkll> coderphive, asking you to explain what it is and asking you how you define it should have framed it well enough, i'd think
03:08 < Hunterkll> I don't come here to get textbook definitions :/
03:08 < coderphive> Asking me what it is is not asking me how I've used it
03:08 < rpifan> well bonnaroo is supposed to be modern woodstock
03:08 < Hunterkll> well, i wasn't exactly asking you how  you've used it either
03:08 < coderphive> k
03:08 < Hunterkll> er
03:08 < Hunterkll> i mean, i didn't want that bit
03:08 < coderphive> I'm not going to argue with you any more
03:08 < Hunterkll> clarity is hard over irc
03:08 < coderphive> Just look at your behavior
03:08 < coderphive> obviously it has an impact at times
03:08 < rpifan> so yall
03:09 < coderphive> I'll do the same
03:09 < Hunterkll> *shrug* I ask a lot of questions
03:09 < rpifan> what is the difference between the infrastructure guy and the sysadmin guy
03:09 < Hunterkll> sometimes they seem hard headed
03:09 < coderphive> It's the way you do it
03:09 < Hunterkll> sure
03:09 < coderphive> You get hostile quick
03:09 < Hunterkll> Sure, sometimes
03:09 < Hunterkll> and that's whatever to me
03:09 < MillerBoss> coderphive 👉 We are human after all. No one is a like.
03:09 < Hunterkll> I respond in kind of what it seems i'm getting, rather quickly
03:09 < Hunterkll> lol
03:09 < coderphive> MillerBoss, absolutely
03:10 < coderphive> but we can do better
03:10 < Hunterkll> I also ask a lot of similar, but slightly varied questions in sequence when i don't get something
03:10 < MillerBoss> Define better. Better to someone else's liking?
03:10 < Hunterkll> and people take that badly too, which causes them to react, which cases me to react, which is always fun
03:10 < Hunterkll> me, i honestly don't care what this channel thinks for the most part since it ain't hurtin' me none
03:10 < Hunterkll> then again, i see people flip the fuck out over things that make no sense to me as to why they get so upset either
03:11 < Hunterkll> so i guess it goes both ways, oh well
03:11 < Hunterkll> like fastlag
03:11 < Hunterkll> lol
03:11 < coderphive> k
03:11 < Hunterkll> man that guy was crazy
03:11 < coderphive> I'm going to go back to coding
03:11 < Hunterkll> ask NinjaStyle about that one
03:11 < Hunterkll> coderphive, you know, you always say that but you always end up here :P
03:11 < coderphive> XP brah
03:11 < coderphive> code in bursts
03:11 < rhqq> hi
03:12 < rpifan> hi
03:12 < Hunterkll> lol
03:12 < Hunterkll> coderphive, wtf is XP anyway
03:12 < Hunterkll> another one of these new fads i haven't heard about?
03:12 < rhqq> XD just with {
03:12 < rhqq> P
03:12 < Hunterkll> -_-
03:12 <@JollyRgrs> srsly wtf have i returned to?
03:12 < coderphive> the origination of agile software development
03:12 < Hunterkll> JollyRgrs, mental breakdowns?
03:12 < rhqq> JollyRgrs: hi man o/
03:13 < Hunterkll> JollyRgrs, precise flipped a biscuit and called me the reason this channel is entirely unhelpful
03:13 <@JollyRgrs> Hunterkll: btw, love what you've been doing to the site.
03:13 < Hunterkll> lol
03:13 < Hunterkll> hahahahahaha
03:13 < Hunterkll> JollyRgrs, it is funny, isn't it
03:13 <@JollyRgrs> Hunterkll: you may be a huge troll, and may waive your dick around... but you know your shit and you help people
03:13 < Hunterkll> it's a mixed bag
03:13 < coderphive> https://www.amazon.com/Extreme-Programming-Pocket-Guide-chromatic/dp/0596004850/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1527988405&sr=1-2&keywords=extreme+programming
03:13 < Hunterkll> like bertie botts every flavor beans
03:13 < Hunterkll> EXCEPT
03:13 < Hunterkll> half the beans are vomit flavored
03:13 < Hunterkll> instead of just like 1 out of a thousand
03:14 <@JollyRgrs> rkeene knows his shit... but he's a turd about it (just in the passive aggressive way) and he's not usually helpful because he'll go off on tangents about how a security card is really a computer by definition
03:14 < Hunterkll> well... i mean... it is .....
03:14  * JollyRgrs isn't biting
03:14 < Hunterkll> smarcards are small computers ... they even run java applets sometimes...
03:14 < Hunterkll> it has ram, NV storage, a CPU, etc
03:15 <@JollyRgrs> Hunterkll: but his arg was, before introducing idea of smart cards, was simply to say "every user needs at least 2 computers to security" basically
03:15 < Hunterkll> coderphive, ugh, it involves pair programming. i've never had that work out well for me
03:15 <@JollyRgrs> he used computers so vaguely and only later defined that a smart card was one type of computer, by definition
03:15 < Hunterkll> lol
03:15 < coderphive> I dig it. I've had really good seniors though
03:15 < Hunterkll> coderphive, how do you do it?
03:15 < coderphive> Pairs are always a junior and a senior for context
03:15 <@JollyRgrs> Hunterkll: either he's really an autist, or he was trolling at level 9000
03:15 < Hunterkll> i've seen different styles
03:16 < Hunterkll> JollyRgrs, i mean, he's not wrong. a smartphone for 2FA auth is a second computer
03:16 <@JollyRgrs> right
03:16 <@JollyRgrs> i'm not saying he's wrong
03:16 < Hunterkll> i've actually had drinks with him before in VA
03:16 <@JollyRgrs> but conversationally, he failed to introduce his ideas with any context
03:16 < Hunterkll> he's borederline, for sure
03:16 < Hunterkll> lol
03:16 < coderphive> Our pairing station at work is just a mouse and a keyboard; remote pairing involves IDE/terminal sharing
03:16 < Hunterkll> yea, i'd rather two terminals and the ability to synchronize edits
03:17 < Hunterkll> that would work out great for me
03:17 < coderphive> VSCode has a IDE/terminal sharing app
03:17 < Hunterkll> idk just sharing one keyboard doesn't quite ... sit well
03:17 < Hunterkll> lol
03:17 < coderphive> Works great for pairing
03:17 < coderphive> Hunterkll, well, it's passed back and forth
03:17 < Hunterkll> well, i get that
03:17 < coderphive> Like, I code for an hour while you observe, then vice versa
03:17 < Hunterkll> like i said, i've never seen or had good experiences with it, but eh
03:17 <+NinjaStyle> You all see my privesc blog post from yesterday?
03:17 < Hunterkll> that also seems a gimp on productivity to me, somewhat
03:18 <@JollyRgrs> use vs code live sharing
03:18 < Hunterkll> i'd rather toss a problem over the wall and ask for help than something like that
03:18 < Hunterkll> yea
03:18 < coderphive> JollyRgrs, yeap
03:18 < coderphive> it's sick right?
03:18 < Hunterkll> that vs code thing sounds kinda like what would work
03:18 < Hunterkll> yea
03:18 < Hunterkll> it's like the multi-user editing word doc at same time type setup
03:18 < Hunterkll> with SP2016/Office 2016
03:18 < coderphive> It works like Google Docs sharing almost
03:18 < Hunterkll> that I could see working
03:19 < coderphive> The only bug I've found is `undo`
03:19 < Hunterkll> and it lets ya'll edit different parts of the code at the same time
03:19 < Hunterkll> etc
03:19 < coderphive> with near instant results
03:19 < Hunterkll> like, "Ok, we need to do this, so you go modify X section and i'll do Y"
03:19 <@JollyRgrs> i could see where undo would be quite difficult in that situation
03:19 < coderphive> That was the really amazing part to me
03:19 <@JollyRgrs> yup
03:19 < coderphive> yeah, undo chains would be hard, especially since it's RPC
03:19 < coderphive> which is just p2p
03:20 <+NinjaStyle> Who cares about undo
03:20 <+NinjaStyle> Use git
03:20 < coderphive> it's a well polished "beta" imo
03:20 < coderphive> that undo thing is negligible
03:21 < Hunterkll> oh cool
03:21 < Hunterkll> it's in Visual Studio 2017 as well
03:21 <@JollyRgrs> yup
03:21 < Hunterkll> that means I could actually use it
03:21 < Hunterkll> lol
03:21 <@JollyRgrs> and you can be in one and share with the other
03:21 <@JollyRgrs> and cross-platform as well
03:21 < Hunterkll> does it require TFS or ?
03:21 <@JollyRgrs> tfs?
03:21 < coderphive> no
03:21 < coderphive> team foundation server
03:21 < Hunterkll> damn
03:21 <@cryptic1> team foundation server
03:21 < Hunterkll> because i have a TFS server
03:21 < Hunterkll> it's under utilized
03:21 < Hunterkll> :P
03:22 <@JollyRgrs> oh, no... it works fine with just vs code stand alone for me
03:22 < coderphive> it's part of the IDE itself
03:22 < Hunterkll> coderphive, multi-user word document editing is part of word itself, but requires an SP2016/Onedrive 4 business backend
03:22 < Hunterkll> so you can see where i'd get the question/idea from
03:22 < Hunterkll> lol
03:22 < coderphive> oh weird
03:22 < coderphive> Yeah, this is RPC based. Same tech for p2p video.
03:22 < coderphive> err
03:22 < coderphive> RTC
03:22 < Hunterkll> lol
03:23 <@JollyRgrs> Hunterkll: yeah, i know that too well b/c someone wanted to do it on excel files at work
03:23 < coderphive> actually, I think it is RPC
03:23 < coderphive> It is
03:23 < coderphive> not RTC/video
03:40 <+NinjaStyle> I communicate with your mom over RPC
03:40 < rpifan> lol
03:40 <+NinjaStyle> rpifan gets it
03:43 < MillerBoss> I am really confused https://trollme.xyz/ downloads a file but does not show the html file. Something weird with my S3/Cloudfront settings.
03:43 <+layer-eight> * MillerBoss →  Trolololololol's Я Us!
03:44 < MillerBoss> But it works for layer-eight
03:45 < MillerBoss> But https://s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/trollme-xyz/index.html works for me
03:45 <+SpeakerToMeat> NinjaStyle: rpifan is probably a more advanced breed than us, and uses mqtt for all his communications
03:45 <+SpeakerToMeat> mqtt is life
03:45 <+layer-eight> * MillerBoss →  Trolololololol's Я Us!
03:46 < rpifan> we use rabbitmq for something
03:46 <+SpeakerToMeat> I once set up a 5 raspberry pi parade using mqtt for an art expo
03:47 <+SpeakerToMeat> rpifan: amqp? you're a masochist :D or have a very advanced mq setup
03:47 < rpifan> rabbitmq at work, idk what its for
03:47 <+SpeakerToMeat> It's like H.232 and rip, why use amqp if you can do with mqtt :D
03:47 < MillerBoss> But the audio does not replay when you refresh :(
03:48 < MillerBoss> Maybe I need Hunterkll's book.
03:49 <+SpeakerToMeat> sip not rip
03:50 <+SpeakerToMeat> You use rip only when you're too scared of bgp but are not willing to give up the pain
03:51 < rpifan> idk
03:51 < rpifan> what these thigns are for
03:51 <+SpeakerToMeat> rip is a routing protocol
03:51 <+SpeakerToMeat> sip and H.232 are voip signaling protocols
03:51 <+SpeakerToMeat> sip is simplified, works most of the time, h.232 is hell complicated
03:51 < rpifan> but whats the function
03:52 <+SpeakerToMeat> signaling protocols establish calls, routes them, accounts them, etc
03:52 <+SpeakerToMeat> basically it's the brain that controls Voip calls
03:52 <+SpeakerToMeat> routing protocols build and exchange routing tables, so that routers know where to send packets for IPs
03:53 <+SpeakerToMeat> amqp and mqtt are messaging queue protocols, they're used to send messages from one endpoint to another's, used for many kinds of stuff, for example the facebook messenger in smartphones uses mqtt for sneding and receiving messages
03:53 <+SpeakerToMeat> amqp is very powerfull, but also complicated, mqtt is limited but very simple.
03:54 <+SpeakerToMeat> The most common open source implementations are RabbitMQ for amqp and Mosquitto for mqtt
03:57 <+SpeakerToMeat> I used mqtt with a 5 raspberry setup to set an artist's expo, she created four videos, and there was a parade, it showed one video at a time on its wall (one wall each for a video), and switched to another video, and once in a while switched them all off and turned on a lamp and some music with a clock. I used mqtt with a master pi (the one controlling the lamp) to coordinate video on/off between the
03:57 <+SpeakerToMeat> pis
04:01 < GrandpaRick> hey guys
04:01 < GrandpaRick> anyone productive in life that can help me out with something?
04:01 < rhqq> absolutely not
04:02 < rhqq> whats up
04:02 < MillerBoss> What do you need help with
04:02 < GrandpaRick> I know what I want to achieve, I know what I can do, and I know what I'm capable of, but atm
04:02 < GrandpaRick> I'm literally doing nothing with my life
04:03 < rhqq> kill yourself
04:03 < rhqq> ticket closed
04:03 <+SpeakerToMeat> why
04:03 < rhqq> can't replicate
04:03 < GrandpaRick> @rhqq not even fucking funny
04:03 < rhqq> man, you're coming on weekend to a channel thats used by people who are either workaholics or alcoholics
04:03 < MillerBoss> So what is the issue at hand today GrandpaRick?
04:03 < rhqq> giving super vague decription
04:04 < GrandpaRick> @+SpeakerToMeat, I honestly dont know, I've tried doing stuff with my life before, it lasted for like a week, and then nothing
04:04 <+NinjaStyle> GrandpaRick: what do you want to do?
04:04 < rhqq> watch jordan peterson, that'll help
04:04 < rhqq> (serious)
04:04 < Tecuane> GrandpaRick: Visit a psych.
04:04 < MillerBoss> Have you seen a seen a therapist?
04:04 < Tecuane> Unironically speaking.
04:04 < MillerBoss> Yup
04:04 < rhqq> you seem to have instant gratification thing issue
04:05 <+SpeakerToMeat> GrandpaRick: Feels at the surface like you're not motivated, either a general motivational lack/malaise (could be depession could be something else), or you haven't found something to do that really touched you inside
04:05 < GrandpaRick> @+NinjaStyle, independent contractor for full stack software dev, and I have a 7 year goal, but doesn't look like I'll be achieving it the way I'm going
04:05 <+NinjaStyle> Do you do dev work now?
04:05 < GrandpaRick> @rhqq maybe? @MillerBoss no I have not
04:06 < rhqq> GrandpaRick: grab latest petersons book
04:06 < rhqq> and start with that
04:06 < MillerBoss> Is this something new that you have been struggling with or all your life, GrandpaRick?
04:06 < rhqq> otherwise go to shrink
04:06 < GrandpaRick> @+NinjaStyle, I had started on a project for someone as a trial into a doorway to a lot more work, finished most of it, then my sister was in and out of court fighting off going to jail for years
04:06 < GrandpaRick> and then never got back to that
04:06 < agent_white> GrandpaRick: Set small, obtainable goals and do them. ex: - Break down 'clean room' into parts: 'vaccum','make bed' etc, check 'em off as you go. Helps make you feel accomplished, least for me.
04:07 < rhqq> again, thats what peterson says while also explaining background reasoning and chemistry of brain
04:07 < rhqq> (cleaning up your closest surroundings)
04:07 < rhqq> also explained in his book. and yeah, i may sound harsh, but patting your arm doesnt help, really
04:08 < rhqq> listening to other people giving you advice or asking questions isnt going to help either
04:08 < GrandpaRick> @MillerBoss I wouldn't say all my life, I used to deal with servers and stuff all the time as a passion, but I haven't been wanting to do much besides watch tv/sleep/waste time(not even playing video games) for the past few years
04:08 <+NinjaStyle> Might be depression
04:08 < agent_white> Prolly go see a shrink, sounds like depression.
04:09 <@killdash9> no might be...
04:09 < agent_white> Or you need a swift kick in the ass to get jumpstarted ;P
04:09 <+NinjaStyle> killdash9: are you a licensed psychiatrist?
04:09 <@killdash9> everyone is on the Internet.
04:10 <@killdash9> internet advice is worth exactly what you pay for it
04:10 < rhqq> ^^
04:10 < rhqq> pretty much /s
04:10 < agent_white> Internet: "SOUNDS LIKE CANCER"
04:10 < GrandpaRick> lol
04:10 < MillerBoss> We are not Drs here but I can relate to a lot of what you are bring up and I am sure many here have dealt with this too at some point in life. I'd really suggest seeking a shrink/therapist/psychiatrist/counselor of some type and they will at the least get you in the right direction.
04:11 < MillerBoss> We both know you will not get that book and read it. :)
04:12 < rhqq> GrandpaRick: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqEsTPaUZF0 start with that, continue with whatever youtube suggests and you find interesting
04:12 <+layer-eight> * rhqq →  YouTube → Jordan Peterson's Life Advice Will Change Your Future (MUST WATCH) → ⚘ 1,218,670 ↑ 34,347 ↓ 956 ✍ 1,690
04:12 < rhqq> otherwise shrink
04:12 < rhqq> everything else is pointless
04:12 < MillerBoss> Lack of motivation stems from a lot of things.
04:13 < GrandpaRick> I feel like its more than just a lack of motivation though?
04:13 < rhqq> of course. our brains software is a fucking mess. like every company in the world decided to outsource their project to indians and then everything was dumped to a big ass bucket, stirred and miraculously that ended up working
04:13 < GrandpaRick> Cause I know what I want, and I start working on things for like a week or two, and then just stop
04:14 <@killdash9> cocaine. I find it pretty motivating. If you're poor, try meth
04:14 < rhqq> this is instant gratification
04:14 < GrandpaRick> either because of me or because other stuff comes up
04:14 < rhqq> expectation
04:14 < rhqq> lack of work ethics
04:14 < rhqq> you must have succeeded too early
04:14 < rhqq> go to bakery, or carpenters workshop, or even woodmill
04:14 < rhqq> im serious
04:14 < GrandpaRick> @rhqq, I mean thats a big part of it me thinks
04:14 < rhqq> seeing outcome of your direct actios is what your brain needs
04:15 < rhqq> and you made yourself addicted to that
04:15 < GrandpaRick> Cause I have always been in the top 2%, and an A/B student, without ever putting work into it
04:15 < rhqq> yup
04:15 < rhqq> exactly
04:15 < rhqq> so problem solved. now you either kick yourself in your ass
04:15 < rhqq> (see vid i linked and just dive deep into this guys work) or shrink or simple physical work
04:16 < rhqq> s/work/job
04:16 <+layer-eight> [SED rhqq] (see vid i linked and just dive deep into this guys job) or shrink or simple physical work
04:16 < rhqq> wtf
04:16 < rhqq> wrong replacement
04:16 < rhqq> tl'dr been there, i've felt burned out for 3 years
04:17 <+NinjaStyle> My motivation is money
04:17 < rhqq> yeah, but
04:17 < agent_white> rhqq: That's why I initially suggested the list break-down :) I had to do it to help re-train my brain after my ADD diagnosis.
04:17 <+NinjaStyle> I've found it works great for me
04:17 < GrandpaRick> its really bad being too smart for your own good @rhqq
04:17 < rhqq> yes
04:17 < rhqq> and it is not even bad
04:17 < rhqq> it is more of
04:17 < GrandpaRick> and yea I have aspergers and ADHD
04:18 < agent_white> NinjaStyle: +1
04:18 < GrandpaRick> so that explains a lot then
04:18 < GrandpaRick> @agent_white
04:18 < rhqq> work ethics has to be learned before we're 10
04:18 < Alternity> cranky being an ass as usual https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/8o4wlg/stuck_in_the_office_until_i_can_get_dc_back_up/e00r3pg/
04:18 <+layer-eight> * Alternity →  Stuck in the office until I can get DC back up. Help!!! : sysadmin
04:18 < rhqq> otherwise entire life is a series of short bursts and long moments of "meh"
04:18 < Alternity> giving shit to some random underpaid schmuck in a bad situation
04:18 <@killdash9> why don't you have crany on ignore?
04:18 < GrandpaRick> @rhqq, basically
04:18 <@killdash9> and cranky?
04:18 < rhqq> NinjaStyle: yes, money, but at some point you've excessive amonts of it
04:18 < Alternity> wish they would ban him...
04:19 < GrandpaRick> @rhqq, probably doesnt help that I'm aspergers and ADHD too though
04:19 < rhqq> i was motivated by money when i didnt have anything in the fridge
04:19 <+NinjaStyle> rhqq: call me when that happens
04:19 < rhqq> well, to me it happened already
04:19 < Alternity> rhqq: no such thing
04:19 <+NinjaStyle> rhqq: ...
04:19 < Alternity> you are worth several million rhqq?
04:19 <@killdash9> I haven't read a single thing from him in years because his opinions are shit
04:19 < GrandpaRick> and thats called hitting your rock bottom
04:19 < rhqq> everyone has their own threshold of "feeling comfortable"
04:19 < Alternity> when i can retire at any time i want
04:19 < Alternity> i will have enough
04:19 <+NinjaStyle> rhqq: why do you still work then?
04:19 < GrandpaRick> which isn't going to happen to me, cause of my parents
04:20 < rhqq> NinjaStyle: great question actually
04:20 < rhqq> i totally reorganized my life
04:20 < Alternity> if i was in EU i would be more comfortable
04:20 <+NinjaStyle> You have millions saved I take it?
04:20 < Alternity> but here in amerika you are never to rich to be sick enough to have to spend it all
04:20 < rhqq> more than enough
04:20  * killdash9 is looking at a job in NYC that'll allow him to retire many years earlier if he takes it
04:20 < Alternity> killdash9: remember COL in NYC is sky high
04:20 < rhqq> but on the other hand i live in a relatively cheap country
04:20 < GrandpaRick> @killdash9 where at?
04:20 <@killdash9> Alternity: so is the pay.
04:20 < Alternity> 250k+?
04:20 < rhqq> so all i make now i spend on travels
04:21 <@killdash9> Alternity: almost twice that.
04:21 < agent_white> Holy shit
04:21 < Alternity> jesus ok then go already fucker
04:21 < Alternity> :D gl
04:21 < GrandpaRick> @rhqq, what I want to do is impossible if I continue on the track I'm going
04:21 <@killdash9> heh...but NYC...ugh
04:21 < Alternity> fintech i assume
04:21 <+NinjaStyle> killdash9: what are you waiting for
04:21 <@killdash9> I talked to their recruiter and gaave him a fuck off number. He said they'd pay more.
04:22 < rhqq> GrandpaRick: let yourself fall
04:22 < Alternity> it's a crazy market, good to take advantage before the bottom falls out
04:22 < GrandpaRick> @rhqq, how?
04:22 < rhqq> run out of money
04:22 < rhqq> seriously
04:22 <+NinjaStyle> killdash9: you should 100% do it
04:22 < GrandpaRick> @rhqq im literally broke
04:22 < Alternity> GrandpaRick: fintech
04:22 < GrandpaRick> but my parents are there, so I never have anything to worry about
04:22 < rhqq> not yet, because you'd feel inner urge/threat
04:23 < rhqq> do you l ive with parents?
04:23 < GrandpaRick> yea
04:23 < rhqq> how old are you
04:23 < GrandpaRick> 20
04:23 < rhqq> ok, time to pack your shit and leave
04:23 < rhqq> asap
04:23 <@killdash9> I'm pretty comfortable where I am. I'll have a third interview in a week or so. I'd just leave life here on pause, go do that for 3-5 years, bank it all, and retire before 55.
04:23 <+NinjaStyle> killdash9: gotta take risks
04:23 < rhqq> iunno, go to scotland, hire yourself in some inn in the middle of nowhere as a kitchen porter
04:24 < GrandpaRick> @rhqq, and go where/do what?
04:24 <@killdash9> risks get harder to recover from when you're looking at the backside of 50
04:24 < rhqq> wash the plates for a year, hitchike
04:24 < rhqq> im serious
04:24 < rhqq> minimize your belongings to a travel backpack and do basic physical work
04:24 < rhqq> it lets your brain rest
04:24 < rhqq> while you actually work on your work ehtics
04:25 <@killdash9> 20 years ago, even 10, it'd be zero question. now, I'm about 10 years from retirement if I just coast.
04:25 < rhqq> let "them" smack you and yell at you for your shitty work and get better. meet new people, see their lives. one day you'll know that you're ready to go back to it
04:25 <+NinjaStyle> killdash9: hm :/
04:25 < MillerBoss> GrandpaRick 👉 Check PM
04:28 < GrandpaRick> @rhqq, so stay away from the dev atm?
04:28 < rhqq> yeah
04:28 < rhqq> you need to start treating it as a hobby again
04:29 < rhqq> maybe even never take it as a profession
04:29 <+NinjaStyle> GrandpaRick: this is one person's opinion
04:29 < rhqq> this is biggest lie that pepole keep repeating.
04:29 < rhqq> never make your hobby a job
04:29 < rhqq> because it will turn into "just a job"
04:29 <@killdash9> ^^^^
04:29 < rhqq> especially when you're too good at it
04:30 <+NinjaStyle> I don't agree really
04:30 <@killdash9> wait a few more years, you will
04:30 < rhqq> ^^^^^
04:30 <+NinjaStyle> No one hobby is the day to day admin work
04:30 < rhqq> ugh, but if you like to tinker with systems
04:30 <+NinjaStyle> killdash9: you don't know me
04:30 < rhqq> and then you have to do it daily
04:30 < rhqq> because "have to"
04:30 < rhqq> it loses its initial magic
04:31 < rhqq> because "you have to"
04:31 <+NinjaStyle> The problem isn't making your hobby your job. The problem is with your perception vs what the reality of what that job actually is
04:32 < rhqq> let me make my thought more precise
04:32 < rhqq> if your job is too close to your hobby
04:32 < rhqq> your hobby dies
04:33 < rhqq> and "i like to program shit" is too close to "dev work"
04:33 < GrandpaRick> I mean I also wanted to be an independent contractor
04:33 <@killdash9> I despise even the most basic of housekeeping on my home network due to it being my 'job' all day
04:33 < rhqq> yeah
04:33 < rhqq> i havent pacman -Syu for months
04:33 <+NinjaStyle> Thats because it's not the part of your hobby that you enjoi
04:34 < rhqq> no
04:34 <+NinjaStyle> Enjoyed
04:34 < rhqq> that was what i did enjoy
04:34 < rhqq> that is what made me good at troubleshooting
04:34 < rhqq> thats what was the mystery
04:34 < rhqq> "fuck again somethings broken. COOOL"
04:34 < rhqq> but now im paid for similar shit
04:34 < rhqq> it turned into "fuck, again somethigns broken, fuck no"
04:34 < GrandpaRick> I can probably say goodbye to my 7 year goal I wanted to achieve :(
04:34 <+NinjaStyle> Now you just do the have the time for the inconveniences
04:35 <+NinjaStyle> Don't have*
04:35 < rhqq> GrandpaRick: leave your parents place asap
04:35 < rhqq> that's most important thing
04:35 <+NinjaStyle> GrandpaRick: no way
04:35 <+NinjaStyle> 7 years is plenty realistic
04:35 <+NinjaStyle> Get your ass in gear
04:35 < GrandpaRick> @rhqq, because its a cushion that allows me to not have to work hard?
04:35 < rhqq> yes
04:36 < rhqq> you need to feel endangered
04:36 < rhqq> thats what fuel us
04:36 < rhqq> trust me
04:36 <+NinjaStyle> ...
04:36 < GrandpaRick> @+NinjaStyle, to be worth $1M, and be making $600K/yr?
04:36 <+NinjaStyle> No
04:36 < rhqq> money is nothing,
04:36 < rhqq> really
04:36 < rhqq> if i ever lost everything, i know i'd find my way back to spot im at
04:36 <+NinjaStyle> The money comes when you are truly good at what you're doing
04:36 < rhqq> and i'd enjoy the travel
04:36 < GrandpaRick> money is important but only to a certain extent
04:36 <+NinjaStyle> There is no guarantee there
04:38 < rhqq> GrandpaRick: you have no idea of the value of money
04:38 < rhqq> because you live with parents
04:38 < rhqq> period
04:38 < GrandpaRick> @+NinjaStyle, Isn't it a combination of your skills, and your marketing/sales team?
04:38 < rhqq> no
04:38 < rhqq> it's 5% of luck and 95% of hard work
04:39 < GrandpaRick> you see some people that are leagues better than other people, but dont make it when the worse people do
04:39 < GrandpaRick> is that just the luck part?
04:39 < rhqq> mhm
04:40 < rhqq> everyone has lost some opportunity in their lives at least once
04:40 < rhqq> anyways, its almost 5am here
04:40 < rhqq> time to hit the hay
04:40 < GrandpaRick> ahh damn okay
04:40 < GrandpaRick> its like 10:45 here
04:41 < GrandpaRick> in NYC
04:41 < rhqq> yeah i know
04:41 < rhqq> im preparing something for muricans
04:41 < GrandpaRick> I also know I wanted to move to LA
04:41 < GrandpaRick> but
04:41 < rhqq> LA sucks
04:41 < GrandpaRick> that aint happening for awhile
04:42 < GrandpaRick> but okay umm
04:42 < rhqq> go to scotland, im serious
04:42 < GrandpaRick> lets say I move out
04:42 < GrandpaRick> what would I do?
04:42 < rhqq> physical work, there's plenty of it
04:42 < GrandpaRick> I'd have no money to even go anywhere
04:43 < GrandpaRick> and when I get there I'm immediately searching for jobs?
04:43 < rhqq> eh, find any local-to-your-current-location restaurant and sign yourself there as a waiter
04:43 < rhqq> they always look for such people
04:44 < rhqq> start with that, make some money, then find an inn in scotland and you can already tell them that you have little experience (important, different place, far away, you're on your own and you have to make money to survive, they also often provide place to sleep and food for workers)
04:45 <+NinjaStyle> This is not really great advice
04:45 <+NinjaStyle> Imo
04:45 < rhqq> why not
04:45 < GrandpaRick> I can see the fundamental basis behind it
04:45 < rhqq> learn how to life the hard way
04:45 < GrandpaRick> but also so many ways things can go wrong
04:45 < rhqq> but thats the point
04:45 < rhqq> he'll need to figure it out
04:46 < rhqq> and he claims to be smart
04:46 <+NinjaStyle> Because you are projecting a lot of your own biases and opinions into a life plan for someone else
04:46 < rhqq> and we're all people, he also goes to pretty civilized country
04:46 < rhqq> and he's english speaking
04:46 < rhqq> and scotland is like... sheep, highlands, sheep and... sheep
04:46 < rhqq> i've hitchiked entire thing
04:46 < rhqq> when i was 20
04:47 <+NinjaStyle> See
04:47 < rhqq> and my english was at... A2 ?
04:47 < rhqq> B1 at most
04:47 < rhqq> more A2
04:47 <+NinjaStyle> Anecdotal advice
04:47 < rhqq> true
04:47 < rhqq> but i was there, i know what am i recommending
04:47 < misspwn_> kinda right up there with "how about you just stop being poor"
04:48 < misspwn_> not everyone is going to be as lucky to breeze through like a 20 year old backpacking
04:48 < rhqq> well, people are kind, so in worst case scenario you just knock the door in the first village you find
04:48 < rhqq> north is way friendlier than south (england)
04:49 <+NinjaStyle> The thing that will almost guarantee success is to work your ass off every day
04:49 < rhqq> yeah, but he needs that upper need
04:49 < rhqq> and he wont have it because he's too comfy
04:49 < rhqq> in his current spot
04:49 < rhqq> he needs to lose everything, literally
04:49 < rhqq> and depend on himself
04:49 < rhqq> only
04:49 < rhqq> like only
04:51 < rhqq> and mistakes have to be made. this is how you learn
04:51 <+NinjaStyle> Ugh
04:51 < rhqq> yeah, the worst is to protect people from making mistakes
04:51 < rhqq> because they'll never learn
04:52 < rhqq> and i'm not saying "go to fucking south africa
04:52 < rhqq> but i suggested something thats far enough but also mild, civilized and quite friendly
04:53 <+NinjaStyle> The only advice you need and probably won't take is to take risks and work hard. You don't need to move to Scotland and be a waiter. You don't need to hit rock bottom and be broke
04:53 <+NinjaStyle> You need to get off your ass and put in work
04:53 < rhqq> but he wont
04:53 < rhqq> i know, because i wouldnt as well
04:54 < rhqq> living with parents and not having to do anything is the worst thing that can possibly happen to your motivation
04:54  * rpifan sews buttons to his thrift store clothes
04:54 < rpifan> original hacking
04:54 <+NinjaStyle> Maybe
04:54 < rhqq> it's "everything or nothing" type of situation
04:55 <+NinjaStyle> I moved out at 18
04:55 < rhqq> i made my worst decision starting studies at university that was 10 minutes walk from my parents place
04:55 < rhqq> so i stayed extra 3 years
04:55 < rhqq> that was crappiest univ ever
04:55 < rhqq> i was their best student
04:55 < rhqq> and i was doing literally nothing there
04:56 < rhqq> instant gratification trap
04:56 < rhqq> perfect one
04:56 < rhqq> i have everything, i dont need to do anything, im awarded for being myself
04:57 <+NinjaStyle> I think lack of motivation can also come from not seeing a clear path to your goals
04:57 <+NinjaStyle> And sometimes there isn't one
04:57 < rhqq> lets be fair, nobody really knows
04:57 < rhqq> who they really want to be
04:57 < rhqq> and what's more important
04:57 < rhqq> across the journey of life
04:58 < rhqq> your goals may, and in fact will change
04:58 < rhqq> along the experience you gain
04:58 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> Finally made it to big 'ol Texas. Not that anyone cares, but still! :) it's fuckin' hot here.
04:59 < rhqq> so yeah. you need to fail from the beginning
04:59 < rhqq> fail hard, but when you have nothing to do, you just stand up and move ahead
04:59 <+NinjaStyle> True, but having no goals isn't a solution. You should work towards them even if they may eventually change
04:59 < rhqq> you dont need to have a goal really
04:59 < rhqq> not everything has to have purpose
04:59 <+NinjaStyle> SysAdminGoneCraZ: where in tx?
04:59 < rhqq> being 20 is like... being able to do everything while knowing nothing
04:59 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> NinjaStyle, Fort Hood. RIP me.
04:59 < rhqq> you can just open your door and leave
05:00 < rhqq> you'll get your ass kicked hard, and if youre smart enough you'll learn and find out whats your real goal sooner or later
05:00 <+NinjaStyle> I'm gonna be boiling in Georgia tomorrow SysAdminGoneCraZ
05:00 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> rhqq, True. But in this day in age, getting your foot in anywhere seems to be the issue. Espeically for the younger crowd.
05:00 < rhqq> nah
05:01 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> NinjaStyle, Oh man. OH MAN.
05:01 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> NinjaStyle, I can't do hot + 100% humidity.
05:01 < rhqq> you just grab first physical work avail
05:01 <+NinjaStyle> Yeahhhhhh I'm not looking forward to it
05:01 <+NinjaStyle> rhqq: just because it worked for you doesn't make it good advice
05:01 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> brb
05:03 < rhqq> NinjaStyle: most cultures (that are not modern leftist ones) have some sort of theme that's along lines "nothing shapes the soul as good as physical work"
05:03 <+NinjaStyle> Whatever
05:03 < rhqq> you need to start low
05:03 < rhqq> to appreciate value of your goal
05:03 <+NinjaStyle> Hard work doesn't need to be physical
05:03 < rhqq> which is way way higher than you originaly thought it is
05:03 < rhqq> and this is when it makes it sexy to you again
05:03 < rhqq> so you start to pursue it
05:04 <+NinjaStyle> You're talking to me like you know some secret to success that I don't. The fact of the matter is that nothing matters but hard work and some luck
05:05 <+NinjaStyle> And goals are important, despite what you think
05:05 < rhqq> i never said theyre not important
05:05 < rhqq> but they're not neccessary to exist 100% of time
05:05 < rhqq> especially when youre 20
05:05 < rhqq> youre stupid and you have no idea of life
05:06 <+NinjaStyle> Doesn't mean you can't learn and work towards something
05:06 < rhqq> yeah, but it's ok to have no goal and just look for ideas
05:06 < rhqq> meet people, talk to them, get inspired
05:07 <+NinjaStyle> But he had a goal in mind
05:07 <+NinjaStyle> Why stray from that for the sake of hitting rock bottom?
05:07 < agent_white> If he has a 7 year goal, he should do step 1 of getting there :)
05:07 < rhqq> do *you* think it is his real goal?
05:07 <+NinjaStyle> It is now
05:07 < rhqq> or it is just idea of "ummm maybe" ?
05:08 <+NinjaStyle> Goals change, doesn't make them worthless
05:08 < rhqq> goal is something that makes you move forward. if your "goal" doesnt make you want to pursue it, it's not a goal
05:08 < rhqq> it's an illusion
05:08 < rhqq> or excuse
05:09 <+NinjaStyle> I agree that it was a lofty and oddly specific goal
05:09 < rhqq> i wouldnt call this a goal in the first place
05:09 <+NinjaStyle> He could have split it into more attainable short term steps
05:09 < rhqq> but he wont
05:09 <+NinjaStyle> Why?
05:10 < rhqq> because he doesnt know how to do this inside of the software of his mind
05:10 < rhqq> why?
05:10 < rhqq> because he never was expected to do this
05:10 < rhqq> why?
05:10 < rhqq> because he has everythng in his comfy place
05:10 <+NinjaStyle> Maybe
05:11 <+NinjaStyle> I can't speak to his mental state
05:11 < rhqq> im making this overly simplified, but i can understand his position
05:11 < rhqq> and general idea is more than enough for him to start doing somethign
05:11 < GrandpaRick> I mean there are extremely successful people younger than me atm
05:12 < GrandpaRick> so age doesn't really play into it
05:12 <+NinjaStyle> There always will be
05:12 <+NinjaStyle> I agree with the sentiment that you need to get working on *something*, regardless of what it is
05:13 <+NinjaStyle> Get moving in some direction towards something
05:13 <+NinjaStyle> Get a job as an entry level dev somewhere
05:13 <+NinjaStyle> Write something, put it on github
05:14 < GrandpaRick> so just do something
05:14 < GrandpaRick> I get that
05:14 <+NinjaStyle> Get working on a project, do interviews, read a book
05:14 < rhqq> NinjaStyle: if he seen this as something sexy, he'd done this already
05:14 < GrandpaRick> but its easier said than done honestly
05:14 <+NinjaStyle> Not really
05:14 < rhqq> ^^^ seee ??
05:14 <+NinjaStyle> You just do it
05:14 < rhqq> pfft
05:14 < rhqq> anyways
05:14 <+NinjaStyle> Don't make excuses and get to work
05:15 < rhqq> i hate these conversations, i get overly involved
05:15 < rhqq> and i dont want to give shit about others life
05:15 < GrandpaRick> I have a bad track record of starting things
05:15 < GrandpaRick> continuing for like a week or two
05:15 < GrandpaRick> and then stopping
05:15 < rhqq> because you never HAD to complete them
05:15 <+NinjaStyle> GrandpaRick: get a job then
05:16 <+NinjaStyle> Put in 10 applications before bed
05:16 < rhqq> and HAD not because of others, but because of your own wellbeing
05:16 < rhqq> lol
05:16 < rhqq> put $RANDOM applications before bed
05:16 < rhqq> doesnt matter
05:16 < rhqq> he wont do it
05:17 <+NinjaStyle> rhqq: what makes you think he will take the risks you suggested if you think he won't even apply for a job?
05:18 < rhqq> because it is ridiculous enough
05:18 < rhqq> and for people like him or me only way to get out of this shithole of situation
05:18 < GrandpaRick> I'll apply for jobs and see what happens
05:18 < rhqq> is to act upon impulse, spotaniously
05:18 < GrandpaRick> ^
05:19 < GrandpaRick> @rhqq normally what happens honestly
05:19 < rhqq> and the more weird the idea the better
05:19 < rhqq> i did throw a fucking dart at the map
05:19 < rhqq> and went there
05:19 < rhqq> with A2 english and $40 in my pocket
05:19 < GrandpaRick> so just up and go to LA?
05:19 <+NinjaStyle> Well moving away to another country takes a lot of planning and preparation
05:19 < GrandpaRick> say screw it and make it work?
05:20 < rhqq> LA is awful
05:20 < rhqq> you dont want any leftist state
05:20 <+NinjaStyle> Lol
05:20 < rhqq> you'll see too many people who are... doing nothing
05:20 < GrandpaRick> @rhqq im in NYC atm, and its not bad
05:20 < GrandpaRick> but its too old fashioned
05:20 <+NinjaStyle> Move to NC
05:21 < rhqq> downtown LA is biggest hobo camp i ever seen
05:21 < GrandpaRick> SM?
05:21 <+NinjaStyle> LA is a shithole
05:21 < rhqq> ^^
05:21 < rhqq> totally
05:21 < GrandpaRick> santa monica?
05:21 < rhqq> GrandpaRick: you wont me able to afford it
05:21 < rhqq> find a shithole of a town in some forgotten by everybody state
05:22 < rhqq> like <40k population
05:22 <+NinjaStyle> Raleigh NC
05:22 < GrandpaRick> I could probably make it as a full stack dev in SM
05:22 < agent_white> I would find a gig first before you up and move, unless your folks are willing to front you cash to survive for a bit while you look.
05:22 < GrandpaRick> but the problem is
05:22 < GrandpaRick> the work ethic
05:22 < rhqq> you would not
05:22 < rhqq> fuck dude
05:22 < rhqq> you have no experience
05:22 < rhqq> no knowledge
05:22 < rhqq> just probably good googling skills and above average intelligence
05:23 < rhqq> you're nobody to a potential employer
05:23 < rhqq> NOBODY
05:23 <+NinjaStyle> Yeah, the competition in the bay area is super high and competitive
05:23 < agent_white> Yeah. Even someone chalk-full of knowledge won't get a high-lvl gig without experience.
05:23 < rhqq> NinjaStyle: thats what im talking about, i wish i had somebody tell me my exact words when i was 15-16
05:23 < GrandpaRick> I technically have "experience"
05:24 < rhqq> 20yo and experience
05:24 <+NinjaStyle> GrandpaRick: show me your github?
05:24 < rhqq> dont make me laugh
05:24 < GrandpaRick> cause I'm still "working" for my mom
05:24 < GrandpaRick> as a CTO
05:24 < rhqq> no
05:24 < rhqq> dude
05:24 < rhqq> no
05:24 < rhqq> you're not a cto
05:24 < rhqq> youre nobody
05:24 < rhqq> and your parents are doing you the worst favor possible
05:24 <@killdash9> wait a minute, I'm the nobody around these parts. No competition
05:24 <+NinjaStyle> If you have no dev experience, no degree and no github you won't be a dev in the bay area
05:24 < GrandpaRick> so that experience is iffy
05:25 < GrandpaRick> but my knowledge isnt an issue
05:25 < rhqq> most likely it is
05:25 < GrandpaRick> Ive picked up a ton over years
05:25 < rhqq> you're aiming high while not understanding how low you are
05:25 <+NinjaStyle> All 20 year olds suffer from dunning kruger
05:25 < rhqq> he needs to be smacked hard
05:26 < rhqq> but whatever
05:27 < GrandpaRick> I can probably answer/do more than 90% of what you'd ask me
05:28 < rhqq> sure
05:28 < rhqq> dude, my first advice was more in point that i'd expect
05:28 < rhqq> go kill yourself
05:28 < rhqq> :)
05:28 < GrandpaRick> I'ma be pessimistic right now
05:28 < GrandpaRick> and say I'm on an intermediate level
05:28 < rhqq> no, you're nobody
05:28 < rhqq> you're wasting air that all these trees around the wold work hard to produce
05:28 < rpifan> hi GrandpaRick
05:28 < rpifan> fix our infrastrcture
05:29 < GrandpaRick> @rpifan, thats very vague, do you know whats wrong with it? or do I have to figure that out first?
05:29 < rpifan> all of it
05:29 < rpifan> also @ is for satanishts
05:29 < rhqq> Hunterkll: are you around?
05:30 < Hunterkll> no
05:30 <+NinjaStyle> GrandpaRick: send me your github
05:30 < rhqq> eh, check out that snowflake "i know it all"
05:30 < Hunterkll> ?
05:31 < agent_white> GrandpaRick: You seem to be where I'm at (no degree, self-taught things). I'm climbing the latter still since without a work-history track record showing you doing it in a professional environment, you would need other ways (github, blog posts, etc.) to prove yourself. Also, the real world is MUCH different than tinkering in your lab at home... and there's no replacement for doing it hands-on.
05:31 < rhqq> GrandpaRick guy
05:31 < rpifan> GrandpaRick, how old u is
05:31 < Hunterkll> lol
05:31 < rhqq> 20 xD
05:31 < rhqq> no experience, no formal knowledge
05:31 < rhqq> no github
05:31 < rhqq> bad attitude
05:31 < rhqq> no work ethics
05:31 < rhqq> living with parents
05:31 < Hunterkll> hey
05:31 < Hunterkll> something to be said for free rent
05:31 < GrandpaRick> @rhqq yes I'm currently a fuck-up
05:31 < GrandpaRick> we get it
05:32 < rhqq> ah, and most importantly
05:32 < rhqq> overblown ego, high expectations
05:32 < Hunterkll> ^
05:32 <+NinjaStyle> Dunning krugering hard af
05:32 < rpifan> GrandpaRick, stop using the damn @ sign that isnt needed on irc
05:32 < Hunterkll> You'd probably cut it on helpdesk
05:32 < Hunterkll> maybe
05:32 < rhqq> nah
05:32 < rhqq> well, in corpo
05:32 < xe0n> lolll
05:32 < Hunterkll> rhqq, have you talked to our helpdesk? lmao
05:32 < GrandpaRick> @agent_white yeah over 10 years of experience with it, but basically
05:32 < Hunterkll> he'd fit in just fine
05:32 < rhqq> they dont fire anybody unless you get drunk while working
05:33 < rpifan> hello xe0n did u hear the joke about my job
05:33 < rpifan> someone tell this kid to stop using the damn @ sign
05:33 < Hunterkll> i'd love to throw this GrandpaRick person into a broken environment and see how worse it gets
05:33 <+NinjaStyle> He wants be a dev not a sysadmin
05:33 < rhqq> that's too risky =]
05:33 <+NinjaStyle> But has no github
05:33 < Hunterkll> lol that's even worse
05:34 < Hunterkll> NinjaStyle, yea that doesn't really bother me, but he probably has no real examples of any work he's actually done
05:34 < rpifan> meh any dumbass can be a dev
05:34 < rpifan> if thye know how to glue together code
05:34 < rpifan> do u know how to code GrandpaRick
05:34 < Hunterkll> I have no github yet i've passed developer interviews before for low level gigs
05:34 < Hunterkll> lol
05:34 <+NinjaStyle> Yeah, that's why you need a github, showcase your skills
05:34 < Hunterkll> nah
05:34 < rhqq> rpifan: checkhis previous answers to me
05:34 < Hunterkll> then again
05:34 < rhqq> > (05:27:58) GrandpaRick: I can probably answer/do more than 90% of what you'd ask me
05:34 < GrandpaRick> +NinjaStyle, tbf a full stack dev
05:34 < Hunterkll> apparently I know MIPS assembler when i'm blackout drunk and can't do it worth shit while sober
05:34 < Hunterkll> so
05:34 < xe0n> rpifan: ?
05:34 < Hunterkll> you keep using the term "full stack" like it's not a total buzzword
05:34 < Hunterkll> lol
05:35 < rhqq> yeah
05:35 < rhqq> cloud devops engineer
05:35 < rhqq> xD
05:35 < xe0n> ive seen chicks with a full stack plenty
05:35 < Hunterkll> don't make me dig out that job posting...
05:35 < xe0n> loll
05:35 < rpifan> xe0n, so apparently we dont need a backup and recovery strategy at my work cause everything is on AWS and in mutliple AZ
05:35 < xe0n> rpifan
05:35 <+NinjaStyle> Your mom xe0n
05:35 < GrandpaRick> rpifan, yeah I know a few frontend and backend languages
05:35 < CoJaBo> My ryzen server is now having non-ryzen-related issues. just can't win :/
05:35 < xe0n> you're still on about that
05:35 < rpifan> what languages do you know
05:35 < Hunterkll> 'frontend and backend languages'
05:35 < Hunterkll> such overloaded BS terms
05:35 < Hunterkll> lol
05:35 < rhqq> yeah
05:35 < rpifan> well i wasnt sure if youdheard it already xe0n lol
05:35 < Hunterkll> a language is turing complete or not, that's it
05:36 < xe0n> rpifan: get over it...
05:36 < Hunterkll> xe0n, oh i updated my site
05:36 < Hunterkll> https://www.hugebuttholes.com
05:36 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  Home of #reddit-sysadmin
05:36 < Hunterkll> its got tables now
05:36 < xe0n> i saw, tables :D
05:36 < xe0n> lolll
05:36 < Hunterkll> :D
05:36 < rhqq> sweet
05:36 < xe0n> we're in 1997 now, still missing the java clock :P
05:36 < rhqq> hey, can you make cryptic1 pink?
05:36 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> Some fancy tables
05:36 < Hunterkll> sure
05:37 < rhqq> also add some gif style stars
05:37 < rhqq> :D
05:37 < Hunterkll> rhqq, done
05:37 <+NinjaStyle> Hunterkll: see, that's showcasing your full stack developer skill
05:37 < Hunterkll> IKR
05:37 < rhqq> Hunterkll: not gay enough
05:37 <+NinjaStyle> Lol
05:37 < rhqq> like more pink
05:37 < Hunterkll> wait until i get my cocaine empire running
05:37 < rhqq> eye-burning pink
05:37 < agent_white> GrandpaRick: Doesn't matter where you _think_ you're at, just get into a professional environment so you can start to put that shit on your resume. I've taken the step-ladder from callcenter, to repair shop, to NOC now. Just start somewhere :)
05:37 < Hunterkll> rhqq, the damn html color name is 'hotpink'
05:37 < Hunterkll> come on
05:37 < GrandpaRick> xe0n, python, go, php, java, angular
05:37 < Hunterkll> since when is angular a language
05:37 < rhqq> "kung fu, karate and other words in chinese"
05:38 <+NinjaStyle> GrandpaRick: what's a semaphore
05:38 < Hunterkll> angular is a total fuckery of javascript
05:38 < Hunterkll> rhqq, <th><H1><font color="green">B</font><font color="white">U</font><font color="orange">T</font><font color="yellow">T</font><font color="red">H</font><font color="hotpink">O</font><font color="slategray">L</font><font color="deeppink">E</font><font color="red">S</font></H1></th>
05:38 < Hunterkll> thats the BUTTHOLE code
05:38 < Hunterkll> all hand coded
05:38 < Hunterkll> hand crafted buttholes
05:38 <+NinjaStyle> Nice! Skills
05:38 < rhqq> im impressed
05:38 < agent_white> Hunterkll: Prolly since 'devop engineer' became a role ;P
05:39 < Hunterkll> oh my god
05:39 < agent_white> I would be lying if I said I didn't put some buzzword bing bullshit on my resume though... gotta jump through the hoops recruiters setup.
05:39 < agent_white> s/bing/bingo/
05:39 < Hunterkll> this is a hilarious bastardization of javascript
05:39 <+layer-eight> [SED agent_white] I would be lying if I said I didn't put some buzzword bingo bullshit on my resume though... gotta jump through the hoops recruiters setup.
05:39 < Hunterkll> LMAO
05:39 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> Hunterkll, Man, that code must've taken you like, 2 weeks. Too complex for me, mang.
05:40 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> Hunterkll, Mucho props-o.
05:40 < Hunterkll> you have no idea
05:40 < Hunterkll> it was intense
05:40 <@killdash9> rhqq: ok, you've had your fun...lay off.
05:40 < Hunterkll> i did it in like
05:40 < Hunterkll> two days
05:40 < rhqq> killdash9: ?
05:40 < Hunterkll> yea uhm i think you're late to the party k-9
05:40 < Hunterkll> at least a screen and a half ago
05:41 < Hunterkll> i successfully derailed the channel anyway
05:41 < GrandpaRick> +NinjaStyle, its a variable used to control access to a resource
05:41 < agent_white> killdash9: Honest question though on the topic of jerbs... how many years xp do you have? ~$500k offers don't happen overnight.
05:41 < Hunterkll> NinjaStyle, someone's decent with google.
05:42 < rhqq> ^^
05:42 <@killdash9> agent_white: full time, around 25 years
05:42 < Hunterkll> killdash9, you a rich boi now?
05:42 < agent_white> Damn. One day I'll be there :)
05:42 < rhqq> nah, most of us wont
05:42 < Hunterkll> i was still shittin' myself when k-9 got started
05:42 < Hunterkll> lol
05:42 < rhqq> but it's fun to try to get ther
05:42 < Hunterkll> I could see myself hitting it
05:43 < agent_white> rhqq: Not with that attitude! ;)
05:43 < rhqq> hah
05:43 < rhqq> well, to me it's all about the journey
05:43 < Hunterkll> I'm pretty sure A-KO broke the 6 fig barrier already
05:43 < rhqq> not the goal
05:43 < Hunterkll> i'll probably be doing that in a year or two as well myself
05:43 < rhqq> but the goal makes the journey worthwile
05:43 < Hunterkll> but it'll be close to getting to a ceiling without highly specializing, going management, or jumping ship to $bigcorps
05:44 <+NinjaStyle> Hunterkll: not really the answer I wanted tho
05:44 < rpifan> im sorry xe0n im only trying to fit in
05:44 < Hunterkll> NinjaStyle, yea, it's not really correct
05:44 < Hunterkll> but oh well
05:44 < GrandpaRick> +NinaStyle, its different from a lock because locks can be locked and unlocked by any thread, while semaphores can only be unlocked by the same thread
05:44 < rhqq> NinjaStyle: it's not even the answer he may understand in practice
05:44 < Hunterkll> and that's not always true
05:44 <+NinjaStyle> GrandpaRick: what's an example of how you would use one in golang?
05:45 < rpifan> GrandpaRick, all no need to type the plus sign, if you pick the first letter of a nick and then press tab it will complete it correclty
05:45 < Hunterkll> GrandpaRick, that's not always true. and they're sometimes used in *implementing* locks. so it still can be a lock, so that answer isn't really clear or good enough either
05:45 < coderphive> did someone say
05:45 < coderphive> go lang
05:45 <+NinjaStyle> Yup
05:45 < rhqq> stoplang
05:46 < rpifan> GrandpaRick, do you even linux
05:46 < GrandpaRick> rpifan: ubuntu, centos, or debian?
05:46 < Hunterkll> Even with proper application of semaphores you can still deadlock
05:46 < Hunterkll> :)
05:46 < GrandpaRick> and yes I know ubuntu is built on debian
05:46 < rhqq> yeah, to starve each other
05:46 < rpifan> no you dont
05:46 < coderphive> I literally code every day and don't know what a semaphore is
05:47 < Hunterkll> GrandpaRick, Ubuntu is a *bastardization* of debian that breaks shit in dumb fucking ways.
05:47 <@killdash9> agent_white: to be clear. I'm on third interview for that. Not an offer yet
05:47 < rpifan> did you even get the ubuntu cds?
05:47 <+NinjaStyle> I want a golang specific semaphore and description of why you might need one
05:47 <+NinjaStyle> coderphive: ?
05:47 < Hunterkll> coderphive, you're also not trying to claim that you're some kinda super full stack dev coder extraordinare
05:47 <+NinjaStyle> It's pretty common with concurrency to use semaphores
05:47 < agent_white> killdash9: Amen on the 'yet' ;) Kick its ass!
05:47 < rhqq> Hunterkll: /s :D
05:47 < Hunterkll> rhqq, well he's not right now! :P
05:47 < rhqq> thats why i called you in the first place
05:47 < rhqq> :P
05:47 < GrandpaRick> rpifan: nah I use the ISOs
05:48 < Hunterkll> NinjaStyle, and it's still possible to deadlock yourself if you're a shitty coder :)
05:48 < Hunterkll> proper implementation relies on your shit behaving itself properly
05:48 < Hunterkll> ^_^
05:48 < Hunterkll> though golang may protect you against that and be all hand-holdy, i've never used golang
05:48 < rpifan> GrandpaRick, have you interviewed at any places yet
05:48 < agent_white> Hunterkll: Or a NASA coder... ie the Mars Pathfinder deadlock issue.
05:48 < Hunterkll> Ohhhhh
05:49 < Hunterkll> I just figured out a way to isolate the *true* nerds in a job interview
05:49 < rhqq> yeah, one time or another you'll fall into circular chain of semaphores
05:49 < xe0n> lol rpifan, you dont need to say sorry, i was just saying, no need to repeat the same shit :P
05:49 < Hunterkll> give them an equation and ask them to implement it in C with a set of data points to test it with
05:49 < Hunterkll> Anyone who realizes what the equation does and glares at me automatically gets hired
05:49 < Hunterkll> and/or calls me Captain Carter :p
05:50 < xe0n> rpifan: i'll give you a tip, every company has it's ups and downs loll.
05:50 < rpifan> nah im trying to abuse my company
05:50 < rpifan> just 8 to 10 more weeks
05:50 < Hunterkll> one of my side studies was physics and astronomy in school, i would often try and figure out some of the more plausible shit in stargate
05:50 < Hunterkll> lol
05:50 < rpifan> one day i will find a way to file a gdpr claim
05:50 < Hunterkll> like the stellar drift problem and/or calculationg the position of stars if we say, go back 20,000 years
05:50 < agent_white> 'Please implement a buffer for a text-editor on the whiteboard...' *draws google search bar*
05:50 < GrandpaRick> rpifan: one person, who I said I screwed up with
05:51 < Hunterkll> so throw some astrophysics into a job interview
05:51 < Hunterkll> :P
05:51 < xe0n> rpifan: just go with the flow, and if you dont dig the place, be professional, and move when someone else is organised. you're not going to change anything..
05:51 < GrandpaRick> rpifan: it was the regional sales manager of cloudflare, and he was making his own startup, and I screwed up by not continuing back to the work after the shit hit the fan with my sister
05:51 < Hunterkll> i totally believe this
05:52 < xe0n> Hunterkll: you give me the secrets to the stargate, and i'll give you the schematics for a timer so you can slide to parallel dimensions ;)
05:52 < Hunterkll> NinjaStyle, you know, i've already solved your question that hasn't been answered using google and golang docs. I've already solved it *for a language i've never used before*
05:52 <+NinjaStyle> :)
05:53 <+NinjaStyle> He's an expert coder I thought he might know
05:53 < coderphive> tbh
05:53 < rpifan> anyway GrandpaRick where do you live
05:53 < xe0n> is he an expert cooler though? does he keep beers chill?
05:53 < GrandpaRick> rpifan: NYC
05:53 < coderphive> a harder question would be threading in python
05:53 < rpifan> actually ive started to make changes at my place of work
05:53 < rpifan> GrandpaRick, where in nyc
05:53 < Hunterkll> NinjaStyle, to be fair i'm trying to understand wtf channels do but at least it works
05:53 < Hunterkll> i could probably do proper mutexes now
05:54 < Hunterkll> does this make me a golang expert please hire me here is my fake h-1b
05:54 <@killdash9> there a special on salt down at the server store this weekend?
05:54 < coderphive> Python threading makes me want to sudoku
05:54 <+NinjaStyle> Hunterkll: you're hired
05:54 < rhqq> coderphive: yeah, total bukkake
05:54 <+NinjaStyle> Haha
05:54 < xe0n> bukakke lolll
05:54 < GrandpaRick> rpifan: on the border of queens and nassau
05:54 < Hunterkll> my steam name right now is "Japanese Highschool Bukkake Club"
05:55 < Hunterkll> my "clan" is set to Brazzers Co in steam
05:55 < Hunterkll> so it reads Brazzers Co Japanese Highschool Bukkake Club while i'm talking
05:55 < xe0n> steamed hams
05:55 < coderphive> I made me the mistake of digging into how to do RPC pub/sub in python inside a synchronous code
05:55 < rhqq> coderphive: i hope you get the spirit of the channel now ;p
05:55 < coderphive> You want to talk about shitty looking code
05:55 < Hunterkll> pffff
05:55 < rhqq> and know i was like 4.37% serious with devops ;p
05:55 < Hunterkll> you want shitty looking code you should see some of the Forth i've written
05:55 < Hunterkll> :/
05:55 < coderphive> rhqq, been here a long time, you just rub me wrong
05:55 < Hunterkll> rhqq, use lube next time
05:55 < rhqq> bad touch hurts throughout whole life
05:56 < xe0n> loll
05:56 < Hunterkll> or at least lick it a little
05:56 < coderphive> rhqq, you also believe in a 180 degree different ideology than I do
05:56  * rhqq spits
05:56 < rhqq> coderphive: nah, i get you, i'm just teasing
05:56 < coderphive> Actually
05:57 < rhqq> i wish everything was done right way, also if it comes to ideas and their implementation
05:57 < coderphive> GrandpaRick, you got a bitcoin wallet?
05:57 < xe0n> teasing the knob
05:57 < Hunterkll> lolwut
05:57 < GrandpaRick> gotta switch computers
05:57 < agent_white> What is The Right Way(tm) ? ;)
05:57 < coderphive> I'll send you btc if you can tell me what this code is doing
05:57 < rhqq> agent_white: ™ grab one
05:57 < agent_white> Oh shet freebies like costco
05:57 < rhqq> xDD
05:57 < coderphive> o
05:57 < Hunterkll> LOL
05:57 < rhqq> XDDDDDDDDDDDD
05:57 < rhqq> REKT
05:57 < Hunterkll> oh shit
05:57 < Hunterkll> oh i didn't see he quit
05:57 < Hunterkll> damnit
05:57 < Hunterkll> :(
05:57 < Hunterkll> he said he's gotta switch computers
05:57 < Hunterkll> so
05:58 < Hunterkll> coderphive, just put it in here 1HPShm33c76uea9vEActmB4h4hASDas6NM
05:58 < rhqq> we need some suspense-deepening music theme
05:58 < rpifan> oh he has quit
05:58 < coderphive> kek
05:58 < rpifan> alas poor grandpa rick i knew him well
05:58 < Hunterkll> he kinda sounded like me when i was like 13
05:58 < rhqq> mhm
05:58 < Hunterkll> except i could actually code my way out of a paper bag and was fucking with embedded devices :/
05:58 < rhqq> my feelings exactly
05:59 < rhqq> well, i was happy i retyped example from computer magazine in javascript
05:59 < Hunterkll> lol
05:59 < rhqq> and then copied over it for all the other cases because i didnt know how to make loops
05:59 < rhqq> xD
05:59 < rpifan> i think a little to overeager
05:59 < Hunterkll> i had handwriting issues so i got a PDA for school
05:59 < coderphive> go works on embedded devices now
05:59 < agent_white> Once he meets someone at a gig in the real-world with _actual_ experience... he'll be a bit more humble I think.
05:59 < rpifan> at his age
05:59 < Hunterkll> that fucker had linux on it asap
05:59 < rpifan> you should be out doing drugs
05:59 < Hunterkll> coderphive, i bet go doesn't work on the devices i used then
05:59 < rpifan> and going to the music fest im going to 10 years later
05:59 < Hunterkll> coderphive, unless it'll work in 64MB disk and 32MB ram
06:00 < Hunterkll> on a 206mhz StrongARM SA1110
06:00 < coderphive> Hunterkll, not on microprocessors, no
06:00 < Hunterkll> microprocessors?
06:00 < Hunterkll> pfff
06:00 < coderphive> RTOS only
06:00 < Hunterkll> iPaq 3850 PDA
06:00 < Hunterkll> running ramped up linux and everything
06:00 < coderphive> it'd probably work on that
06:00 < Hunterkll> shit we had full debian if you had like a 1 or 2GB CF card
06:00 < rhqq> coderphive: wince ? :D
06:00 < coderphive> if you can load an RTOS, it'll work
06:00 < Hunterkll> like linux? :P
06:00 < rhqq> its rtos after all...
06:00 < Hunterkll> lol
06:00 < theyakofallyaks> Ok, wilts he's not here, can I just say, GrandpaRick is a bit of a douche and what you have seen so far is no where near how bad he has gotten before (I know him from a different Discord server he was reccently banned from)
06:00 < Hunterkll> rhqq is right
06:01 < Hunterkll> LOL
06:01 < coderphive> https://www.freertos.org
06:01 <+layer-eight> * coderphive →  FreeRTOS - Market leading RTOS (Real Time Operating System) for embedded systems with Internet of Things extensions
06:01 < coderphive> literally
06:01 < Hunterkll> oh man
06:01 < rhqq> not strict one (or whataever nomenclautre is, correct me)
06:01 < Hunterkll> we got /the/ warning now
06:01 < Hunterkll> lol
06:01 < rhqq> but wince is still most widely used rtos in the world
06:01 < Hunterkll> rhqq, depends on how you configure it, i've built my on WinCE images for plenty of devices
06:01 < rpifan> but is he cute
06:01 < rhqq> yeah
06:01 < Hunterkll> still have my WinCE .NET 4.2 build discs around here somewhere
06:01 < coderphive> wait
06:01 < Hunterkll> and my base platform kits
06:02 < coderphive> theyakofallyaks, who are you?
06:02 < rhqq> well, i'm not that savvy with these
06:02 < coderphive> you a plant?
06:02 < xe0n> dope plant
06:02 < coderphive> name.is.suspect
06:02 < Hunterkll> coderphive, wildly different IPs
06:02 < coderphive> o okay
06:02 < Hunterkll> 96.232.253.72 for rick, 42.241.253.97 for the new one
06:02 < Hunterkll> it's in the /whois
06:02 < rpifan> is that so
06:02 < rhqq> maybe he used 1337 tor mode
06:02 < rhqq> fuck, what am i doing with my life
06:02 < rhqq> its 6am
06:02 < Hunterkll> the 42 is assigned to APNIC
06:03 < coderphive> call him winney the poo
06:03 < coderphive> bc he's in a honey pot?
06:03 < xe0n> starting your day?
06:03 < agent_white> :o remoting from the gibson
06:03 < rhqq> xe0n: no, im still up
06:03 < Hunterkll> Rick had an MCI/Verizon IP
06:03 < Hunterkll> not an asian IP
06:03 < Hunterkll> lol
06:03 < theyakofallyaks> Just someone who is interested in Sysadmin work and had encountered him before.
06:03 < Hunterkll> rick -> https://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-96-224-0-0-1/pft?s=96.232.253.72
06:03 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  APPLICATION/XML Document, 13,050 bytes
06:03 < coderphive> theyakofallyaks, what sort of discord?
06:03 < coderphive> pls tell me cosplay
06:03 < Hunterkll> ....?
06:03 < Hunterkll> coderphive, whyyy....?
06:03 < theyakofallyaks> I'm still just learning though - doing a degree in CompSci at Uni Whilst working in Secure data erasue
06:04 < theyakofallyaks> The Discord was Buildapc
06:04 < Hunterkll> coderphive, so it /looks/ like rick was american, and yak is australian
06:04 < Hunterkll> from the surface
06:04 < coderphive> Hunterkll, I was hoping he was into some weird shit
06:04 < theyakofallyaks> You are correct
06:04 < Hunterkll> how the fuck is cosplay weird?
06:04 < Hunterkll> compared to the reset of the shit on the internet?
06:04 < Hunterkll> i'm gonna cut you
06:04 < rhqq> furries!
06:04 < Hunterkll> i'm gonna cut them too
06:05 < rhqq> xD
06:05 < coderphive> ^^
06:05 < Hunterkll> furries is not cosplay
06:05 < coderphive> coderfurry
06:05 < Hunterkll> go away
06:05 < rhqq> WOAH
06:05 < GrandpaRick> okay guys im back
06:05 < GrandpaRick> had to switch PCs
06:05 < rpifan> hello GrandpaRick
06:05 < rpifan> tell me about your life
06:05 < Hunterkll> coderphive, i do cosplay commissions, lol
06:05 < coderphive> orly
06:05 < Hunterkll> and photography commissions & stuff too now
06:05 < Hunterkll> yea
06:05 < GrandpaRick> so yeah idk
06:05 < coderphive> oh
06:05 < rhqq> Hunterkll: you're a weirdo
06:05 < MillerBoss> Hunterkll 👉 https://trollme.xyz/
06:05 < rhqq> Hunterkll: deviant!
06:05 <+layer-eight> * MillerBoss →  Trolololololol's Я Us!
06:05 < GrandpaRick> should I just go see a therapist seriously or what?
06:05 < Hunterkll> lol
06:05 <+NinjaStyle> I made a tequila mule
06:05 < rpifan> yes probably GrandpaRick
06:05 < coderphive> that's a bit different than dressing up as a cat
06:05 < Hunterkll> well that escalated quickly
06:06 <+NinjaStyle> GrandpaRick: yes
06:06 < rhqq> Hunterkll: go away you perv! ;p
06:06 < rpifan> Hunterkll, what can you do with bald guys, what are some cosplays for that
06:06 < agent_white> GrandpaRick: That and snag a job. Sometimes an idle mind is the worst kind.
06:06 <+NinjaStyle> And realize how little you actually know
06:06 < Hunterkll> rpifan, got a beard?
06:06 < rhqq> rpifan: kililin
06:06 < rpifan> sorta
06:06 <@JollyRgrs> mr belvidere (sp?) role play?
06:06 < Hunterkll> grow it out
06:06 < Hunterkll> lol
06:06 < coderphive> kek
06:06 < coderphive> jesus
06:06 < Hunterkll> coderphive, oh, i've done some fun stuff. like Shuichi from Gravitation - pink haired gay rockstar
06:06 < Hunterkll> lmao
06:06 < coderphive> "pull my buttons daddy"
06:07 < rhqq> =]
06:07 < rpifan> jesus is not bald
06:07 < Hunterkll> though i've never done shit this dumb -> https://i.imgur.com/KWV2kIZ.png
06:07 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  IMAGE/PNG Document, 936,037 bytes
06:07 < rhqq> rpifan: i think after 2000 years your hair would fall off too
06:07 < coderphive> I'm bald :(
06:07 < rpifan> lol
06:07 <+NinjaStyle> coderphive: get hair nerd
06:07 < rhqq> coderphive: look from the bright side... you can comb with a spoonge
06:07 < GrandpaRick> but to get to $600K/yr would be 25 yrs of work? NinjaStyle
06:07 < coderphive> kek
06:08 < Hunterkll> picture taken shortly after coderphive was seen in the bathroom at a party: https://i.imgur.com/WlNBkoH.png
06:08 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  IMAGE/PNG Document, 578,676 bytes
06:08 <@killdash9> GrandpaRick: that kind of pay is super fucking rare.
06:08 <+NinjaStyle> GrandpaRick: you may never get there
06:08 < coderphive> ;kek
06:08 <@killdash9> even with 25 years
06:08 < Hunterkll> yes
06:08 < GrandpaRick> even if I can get past this shit
06:08 < Hunterkll> GrandpaRick, and note that's 25 years of professional work history, not 25 years of experience including what you did at home for the past however
06:08 < GrandpaRick> and dedicate every waking hour to it
06:09 < GrandpaRick> can you see $600K/yr in 7 years even being remotely possible?
06:09 <@killdash9> I don't count the nearly 10 years before that as a hobbyist.
06:09 < Hunterkll> IN SEVEN YEARS?!
06:09 < Hunterkll> LOL
06:09 < rpifan> why the fuck
06:09 < rpifan> do you want 600k
06:09 < rpifan> thats ridiculous
06:09 < rpifan> jesus
06:09 < Hunterkll> rpifan, who the fuck wouldn't ?
06:09 < rhqq> you know guys, i think GrandpaRick is an example of a person because of whom we actually have to read "The Little Prince" as a mandatory reading in schools
06:09 <+NinjaStyle> GrandpaRick: I'd give you a .2% odds
06:09 <@killdash9> GrandpaRick: only if your that in in 100,000 that get into the right company pre-IPO
06:09 < agent_white> Hunterkll: Yeah exactly... most notes on applications are 'x years in a professional environment', if not explicity it's definitely assumed.
06:09 <@killdash9> you're
06:09 < rpifan> i dont
06:09 < coderphive> 600k over 7 years?
06:09 < rpifan> why too much money
06:09 < Hunterkll> you'll burn out quickly, enter mild to severe depression, possibly become suicidal if you dedicate 'every waking hour' to it
06:09 < Hunterkll> coderphive, $600k/yr salary
06:09 < coderphive> o
06:09 <@killdash9> rpifan: it's likely because he heard it as a number I've siad
06:09 < Hunterkll> coderphive, not earn 600k in 7 years
06:10 < GrandpaRick> I was planning on being an independent contractor
06:10 < coderphive> I've never seen a job that high
06:10 < GrandpaRick> which means theres more potential
06:10 < rpifan> loooolll
06:10 < rpifan> why
06:10 < rpifan> what is your goal in life man
06:10 < rpifan> not how much moeny, why do you want that money
06:10 < Hunterkll> GrandpaRick, that means there's a fuckload more risks, a fuckload higher expenses, more severe tax management, and a lot more failure
06:10 <+NinjaStyle> GrandpaRick: it's also much more work
06:10 <@killdash9> money itself shouldn't ever be the goal.
06:10 < coderphive> ^
06:10 < rhqq> guys, at this point we can agree that he's either one of these helpless snowflakes or a troll
06:10 < coderphive> got downvoted for saying that once
06:11 < rhqq> coderphive: yeah
06:11 <+NinjaStyle> I make good money after 10 years, but nowhere near 600k
06:11 <@JollyRgrs> my goal is money enough for my family to live comfortably and still have leftover for savings
06:11 < GrandpaRick> rpifan: to be able to live comfortably, and support my whole family
06:11 < rpifan> maybe a bit of both
06:11 < Hunterkll> money is part of the goal - part
06:11 <@killdash9> I've literally turned down interviews for jobs paying mid-six figures solely based on quality of life reasons
06:11 < rpifan> what is comfortably man, comfortably to be the duke of earl?
06:11 < coderphive> whole family?
06:11 < Hunterkll> heh
06:11 < coderphive> can you give context to that?
06:11 <@JollyRgrs> killdash9: but you're past that hump
06:11 < Hunterkll> you can support a whole family just fine on $20/hr depending on where you live
06:11 <@JollyRgrs> coderphive: wife and 2 kids and animals
06:11 < rhqq> dont feed the troll
06:11 <@killdash9> true. That hump to being comfortable is the tough part
06:11 < AustinS> yeah i just turned down a $40k/yr bump in salary because i am not fucking taking a train to work / getting up that early to do it
06:11 <@JollyRgrs> Hunterkll: that's debatable
06:11 <@JollyRgrs> killdash9++++
06:12 <@killdash9> AustinS++
06:12 < rpifan> well im making 24 an hour
06:12 < AustinS> even though it was the one person I would leave my job for that offered, and i want to otherwise.. qualityy of life deal breaker lol
06:12 < rpifan> and im poor
06:12 < Hunterkll> JollyRgrs, *shrug* depends on the area, but that's about 40-45k/yr
06:12 <@JollyRgrs> i said comfy living, not sustaining
06:12 <@JollyRgrs> yeah
06:12 <@JollyRgrs> i used to do that
06:12 < coderphive> tbh in Dallas making 100k is not "comfortable"
06:12 < Hunterkll> Shreveport/Bossier louisiana, rural maryland, etc
06:12 <@JollyRgrs> 40-45k a year... at geek squad
06:12 < Hunterkll> could all do it
06:12 < coderphive> it's like the edge at comfort
06:12 <@JollyRgrs> it was enough... but not for payin fior private school
06:12 < rpifan> dallas is cheap
06:12 < rpifan> i pay 800 a month
06:12 < AustinS> jesus
06:12 < rpifan> just to rent a room
06:12 < Hunterkll> coderphive, i dunno so long as my rent isn't over like $1500/mo it's okay for me
06:12 < Hunterkll> lol
06:13 <@JollyRgrs> i pay 800/mo for my entire mortage
06:13 < rpifan> half my paycheck is gone on rent
06:13 < coderphive> Hunterkll, that's close in Dallas
06:13 < AustinS> my 2br is $3040/mo
06:13 <@killdash9> comfy to me is 'I'd really like a new car. I can finance an $80k car at 0.9% with just a phone call to my bank.'
06:13 < coderphive> Rent is high in d-town
06:13 < AustinS> *gun*
06:13 < GrandpaRick> coderphive: whole family as in my current immediate family, and my future potential family
06:13 <@killdash9> JollyRgrs: insurance included?
06:13 < rpifan> best thing is to not want or need a car
06:13 <@JollyRgrs> killdash9: yup
06:13 < AustinS> fairfield county CT, so. expensive.
06:13 <@killdash9> rpifan: some of us like cars. And have too many of them
06:13 < AustinS> and my goal was to have a roommate but that backfired.. ill eventually work on that or move lol
06:13 <+NinjaStyle> I like cars
06:13 < coderphive> wait
06:13 <@JollyRgrs> it was 785 or something... went up to 824 this year b/c of insurance and/or taxes
06:13 < coderphive> GrandpaRick, do you actually have coding experience?
06:14 <@killdash9> I have my weekend car, my daily driver, my offroader, my track car. You know, cars.
06:14 < rpifan> its bad
06:14 <@JollyRgrs> AustinS: never rely on a roommate
06:14 < GrandpaRick> killdash9: comfortably would be like how my uncle is living currently, where if he wants a new car/boat he just goes out and buys it
06:14 < rpifan> bad
06:14 < xe0n> how old is rick? or have i missed that
06:14 < xe0n> lol
06:14 < agent_white> 20
06:14 < coderphive> GrandpaRick, that's not comfortable
06:14 < coderphive> that's luxury
06:14 < xe0n> riiight
06:14 < Hunterkll> coderphive, speaking of cosplay though, i do make all my own work ;) https://i.imgur.com/83wCWVz.jpg
06:14 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  IMAGE/JPEG Document, 904,881 bytes
06:14 <@JollyRgrs> xe0n: at least over 24 or so if he and his kid both had kids at 12
06:14 <@JollyRgrs> :P
06:14 < Hunterkll> I have a designer in wisconsin i coordinate with though
06:14 <@killdash9> GrandpaRick: smart people don't pay cash when you can get a sub-1% loan
06:14 < rpifan> any idiot can buy anything
06:14 < Hunterkll> we toss work back and forth to each other
06:14 < GrandpaRick> coderphive: yeah
06:14 < coderphive> Hunterkll, you sowed that?
06:14 < coderphive> sewed
06:14 < coderphive> whatever
06:14 < AustinS> JollyRgrs, oh i know lol. it was someone I definitely would be fine with, but other family issues on her side prevented it from happening .. i had delayed a bit first, but it worked out because else she would've been in a rough spot to help them too
06:14 < Hunterkll> i'm going to sue you for abuse of the english language
06:14 < Hunterkll> coderphive, the one in front and the one behind it
06:14 < rhqq> :D
06:15 < rpifan> i sewed a button
06:15 < coderphive> GrandpaRick, what kind of applications have you worked on?
06:15 < AustinS> I got the place under the assumption there was a good chance that 2nd room = home office :P
06:15 < rpifan> but then i found a hole
06:15 < rpifan> and destroyed the shorts
06:15 < Hunterkll> the one in front is floor length, billows in the wind, and twirls amazingly
06:15 <+NinjaStyle> coderphive: he has no publicly available code mind you
06:15 < coderphive> GrandpaRick, specifically, what's your expertise?
06:15 <@killdash9> comfortable is not really knowing what your bank balance is because you're always putting more in than you spend.
06:15 < GrandpaRick> coderphive: just personally? or for work?
06:15 < coderphive> GrandpaRick, both
06:15 < rpifan> i dont have a github
06:15 < rpifan> and i make 24 an hour
06:15 < rpifan> then again
06:16 < rpifan> i was making 44 an hour without anything
06:16 < rpifan> all you need is a shady job
06:16  * killdash9 doesn't have a github becuase fuck that
06:16 < coderphive> rpifan, are you looking for a coding job though?
06:16 < coderphive> prob not
06:16 < Hunterkll> killdash9, they were going on about him not having a github to show examples of stuff he's done etc and i'm like "why?"
06:16 < xe0n> i dont know my hourly rate, i work by salary lol
06:16 < rpifan> no of course not, coding is the devil
06:16 < Hunterkll> most of the shit i write is one-off to fix a specific problem i created for myself anyway
06:16 < Hunterkll> lol
06:16 <+NinjaStyle> Yeah I don't expect sysadmin to have a github
06:16 <+NinjaStyle> I expect a dev to though
06:16 < Hunterkll> NinjaStyle, I do a lot more coding then I really let on
06:17 < Hunterkll> I've taught moderate OS development courses before
06:17 <@killdash9> I will say I got turned down after an interview becuase I didn't have one. And if that's the reason, I didn't really want the job anyways.
06:17 <+NinjaStyle> Nice
06:17 < Hunterkll> actually, I did a session at one hackerspace and was told I taught more assembly in 4 hours than a local well known collge did in one semester
06:17 < coderphive> killdash9, I mean, do you code for a living?
06:17 <@killdash9> nope
06:17 < Hunterkll> though having seen what capitol college churns out
06:17 < coderphive> Then no point
06:17 < Hunterkll> i'm not that surprised
06:18 < coderphive> I guess you could have one, wouldn't hurt
06:18 < coderphive> but repos are for code
06:18 <@killdash9> yeah, now tell that to this job that also wasn't coding. dumbasses...
06:18 < coderphive> Yeah that's dumb
06:18 <+NinjaStyle> A github basically is a resume for some companies when hiring a dev
06:18 <@killdash9> yep
06:18 <@killdash9> anything I do write is owned by the company I'm working at. I don't do anything on my own time because, why would I do work for free?
06:18 < Hunterkll> my github would be a nightmare of assembly, C, HTML, and QBASIC with a touch of fortran, forth, JCL, RPG, and PL/1 mixed in
06:18 < coderphive> Now if you come to me telling me how you can automate anything and can't show me public or private repos
06:18 < coderphive> We're done then
06:19 < GrandpaRick> coderphive: multi-cloud infra, some wordpress sites(obv), game servers and minigames, and had a WIP of an amazon-like website(kinda complicated to explain) for a different industry
06:19 < AustinS> my github is unfortunately quite empty, but I'm also not job searching../I would be able to show code other ways probably if I went upfront about it, but I just .. unfortunately don't have many things out there :\
06:19 < AustinS> barely enough time to code on the damn private repos here hahaha
06:19 < Hunterkll> coderphive, ah, but what if i can concisely explain how and possibly even demonstrate?
06:19 <@killdash9> coderphive: I sould show you a private repo from a past company? ;-/
06:19 < kepler> everything i write is owned by DoD, can't put on github
06:19 < Hunterkll> kepler, just show him your forge.mil repo
06:19 < Hunterkll> :p
06:19 < AustinS> although I get offers/I don't think at my level it would be a requirement/I know it's not
06:19 < coderphive> killdash9, actually, you can store stuff in private repos to show as an example of work
06:19 < coderphive> just can't use it again
06:20 <@killdash9> now I do have old stuff I wrote long ago that might be fun to throw up. But damn if I'll be judged on things I wrote 15-20 years ago
06:20 < coderphive> yeah
06:20 < coderphive> It's a fine line, depending on what you've made
06:20 < AustinS> uhh 15-20?  i look at shit 3 years ago and gag lol
06:20 < rhqq> wow
06:20 < agent_white> My code from last week is bad enough.
06:20 < rhqq> multi-cloud
06:20 < coderphive> Some stuff is covered under like common use
06:20 < rhqq> mutli-cloud devops engineer ™
06:20 < Hunterkll> AustinS, I have code I literally can't understand without being borderline if not totally blackout drunk
06:20 < coderphive> GrandpaRick, what do you mean "multi-cloud infra"
06:20 <+NinjaStyle> I have a private repo with a shitload of powershell from my sysadmin life
06:20 <@JollyRgrs> it slips my mind... what's the stupid command for status on the APC plugged in via USB (linux)?
06:20 <@killdash9> like my old stuff that took NASA immagery and searched for matching left/right pairs and automatically turned them into stereo pics. Someone might want that hacky code
06:21 < xe0n> i wish i had my old rexx stuff, that was cool lol
06:21 < coderphive> that's pretty cool killdash9
06:21 < AustinS> yeah, i'd rather not push the line of showing a hiring manager code that's from previous job "its private but here you can see.."
06:21 < Hunterkll> NinjaStyle, A-KO has more of a github presence than me
06:21 < AustinS> someone did that for me / talked about how they kept it on their computer when they left
06:21 < AustinS> i was like, oh, cool... so that's what you'll do with our code... +1
06:21 <+NinjaStyle> Well
06:21 < Hunterkll> lol
06:21 < Hunterkll> NinjaStyle, he made a damn powershell script to show sadserver tweets on your logon screen on windows
06:22 < Hunterkll> -_-
06:22 < coderphive> tbh
06:22 < coderphive> I think GrandpaRick may be young
06:22 <+NinjaStyle> Some code is proprietary only in that you went lazy and hardcoded shit like OUs in it
06:22 < coderphive> like real young
06:22 < agent_white> He is 20 he said.
06:22 < rhqq> coderphive: or a master troll
06:22 < GrandpaRick> coderphive: multi-dns, and multiple servers setup to run in google cloud and AWS
06:22 < AustinS> prolly 15
06:22 < rhqq> that made our old asses spend over an hour in this crowded area
06:22 < coderphive> That's not multicloud
06:22 < AustinS> i mean im only 17
06:22 < AustinS> (jk)
06:22 < Hunterkll> LOL
06:22 < Hunterkll> multi-dns?!
06:23 < Hunterkll> haha
06:23 <+NinjaStyle> I'm 15
06:23 < coderphive> That's just using multiple providers
06:23 < MillerBoss> ASL
06:23 <+NinjaStyle> 15/f/ca
06:23 < Hunterkll> what about autoscaling between Azure and AWS depending on pricing and load
06:23 < rhqq> coderphive: it's pointless...
06:23 < AustinS> ;O!
06:23 < AustinS> 16/m/fl
06:23 < Hunterkll> and transfering workloads out of GCE into AWS with no downtime
06:23 < Hunterkll> :p
06:23 <@killdash9> good thing no one here was ever a kid...all born with beards and a bottle of Mtn Dew in our mouths
06:23 < AustinS> cam??
06:23 < MillerBoss> c2c
06:23 < MillerBoss> Right meow
06:23 < xe0n> mountain spew
06:23 <+NinjaStyle> I don't have a cam
06:23 < coderphive> GrandpaRick, Multicloud is building cloud independent infra
06:23 < AustinS> fuckin MillerBoss always sneaks in RIGHT when i start hittin on someone else
06:23 < AustinS> its like this little jealousy alarm goes off
06:24 < xe0n> GrandpaRick: get a job at a pizza place, best fun ever
06:24  * killdash9 looks in mirror. Fuck, he has a long beard and there is literally a Mtn Dew on his desk.
06:24 < coderphive> Then making them join
06:24 < Hunterkll> hahahah fou nd it
06:24 < Hunterkll> NinjaStyle, it modifies the windows logon banner with the sadserver tweet
06:24 < GrandpaRick> coderphive: yeah ik
06:24 < Hunterkll>     Set-ItemProperty -Path "HKLM:\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon" -name "LegalNoticeCaption" -value $legalCaption
06:24 < Hunterkll>     Set-ItemProperty -path "HKLM:\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon" -name "LegalNoticeText" -value $legalText
06:24 < GrandpaRick> Hunterkll: obv
06:24 < Hunterkll> ?
06:24 < coderphive> GrandpaRick, what do you mean by multi-dns then?
06:24 <@killdash9> old, beard, fat, surly, *nix-lover. I check all the boxes.
06:25 < Hunterkll> I didn't say anything to you GrandpaRick
06:25 <+NinjaStyle> Hunterkll: obv
06:25 < rhqq> killdash9: just tell me you at least dont stink like stallman does
06:25 <@killdash9> Hunterkll: obv
06:25 < rhqq> Hunterkll: obv
06:25 < Hunterkll> -_-
06:25 <@killdash9> rhqq: god fucking no. I've met him...ugh
06:25 < Hunterkll> killdash9, young, skinny, shaved, outgoing, and platform agnostic. I must be satan.
06:26 < Hunterkll> literally satan
06:26 < agent_white> Recruiter's wet dream ;)
06:26 <@killdash9> ran into him when I worked at Red Hat. He's just as awkward in person
06:26 < Hunterkll> oh god
06:26 < Hunterkll> yes
06:26 < coderphive> pretty sure stallman is autistic
06:26 < xe0n> stoolman
06:26 <+NinjaStyle> Who isnt
06:26 < coderphive> Also delusional now
06:26 < Hunterkll> I met someone who was running books to him at HOPE in 2014
06:26 <@killdash9> I'm not. I'm just an idiot
06:26 < rhqq> yeah
06:26 < Hunterkll> lol
06:26 <+NinjaStyle> killdash9: lol
06:26 < GrandpaRick> coderphive: using google cloud dns, and amazon route 53 for DNS, would be multi-dns, but then you also have to deal with auto scaling, figure out which cloud is cheaper for each workload, have HA/XA setups across both clouds
06:26 < Hunterkll> she wasn't happy
06:27 < coderphive> GrandpaRick, so how did you make it multi-cloud then?
06:27 < Hunterkll> GrandpaRick, so you'd have split DNS infrastructure that can cause records to fall out of sync
06:27 < Hunterkll> there's just no point in doing that .....
06:27 < rhqq> Hunterkll: actually there is
06:27 < xe0n> so...anyone like beer? i like beer.
06:27 <+NinjaStyle> I do
06:27 < Hunterkll> lol
06:28 < coderphive> You can sync the records
06:28 < coderphive> That doesn't matter though
06:28 < AustinS> i run half our DNS on ours , half akamai DNS.. but Akamai is a slave of our master..
06:28 < Hunterkll> sure
06:28 <@killdash9> xe0n: single malt or GTFO
06:28 < rhqq> Hunterkll: check pornhubs NS records
06:28 < Hunterkll> AustinS, yes, but that's the right way to do it
06:28 < AustinS> i wouldnt want to be having some process TRYING to keep it in sync
06:28 < AustinS> lol yeah :p i know
06:28 < coderphive> How'd you handle the traffic GrandpaRick?
06:28 < rhqq> they have two providers to make sure that if one fails (like godaddy shat its pants recently) they're still alive
06:28 < xe0n> killdash9: haha
06:28 < Hunterkll> rhqq, yes, and there's a right way to do that
06:28 < coderphive> GrandpaRick, this is not a gotcha either
06:28 < xe0n> whats the left way?
06:29 < Hunterkll> I've done that myself
06:29 < rhqq> yeah
06:29 < Hunterkll> self-hosted IPv6 DNS servers
06:29 < Hunterkll> but I had to use some subordinate DNS host to get IPv4 DNS servers
06:29 < Hunterkll> hurricane electric's IPv6 certification thing
06:29 < Hunterkll> it couldn't resolve my domain
06:29 < Hunterkll> because it had no IPv4 glue records
06:29 < Hunterkll> :D
06:29 < rhqq> yeah, i never completed that shit
06:29 < rhqq> in 2010 they were giving out free tshirts for completing that
06:29 < Hunterkll> my domain was 100% IPv6 and it didn't work hahahahaha
06:29 < Hunterkll> oh they still are
06:29 < Hunterkll> i got my t-shirt a year or two ago
06:30 < rhqq> and its been 8 years and i still didnt find my time
06:30 < rhqq> to get through this shit
06:30 <@killdash9> reminds me, I've got a bottle of 28 year that needs to be drank
06:30 < agent_white> coderphive: I think the gotcha is that knowing how to do that properly takes more years of experience than he has... unless he's been doing it since he's in middle/elementary school or a savant. ;P
06:30 < rhqq> anyways
06:30 < rhqq> sleep time
06:30 < rhqq> cya
06:30 < rhqq> have fun with trolls
06:30  * killdash9 wanders off to the liquor closet
06:30 < coderphive>   agent_white :P
06:30 <+NinjaStyle> rhqq: night
06:31 < AustinS> killdash9, don't talk about me like that in pub ;o
06:31 < coderphive> alright
06:31 < coderphive> Blue Bell ice cream
06:31  * killdash9 wonders how many people here are younger than this bottle. ;)
06:32 < coderphive> that's the new topic
06:32 <+NinjaStyle> killdash9: me probably
06:32 < GrandpaRick> coderphive: I used route 53 and google cloud dns and A records, to return different servers in round robin, then used load balancers behind them, and used backend code to handle which subdomain to route requests to
06:32 <@killdash9> coderphive: Now with free e-coli in every gallon!
06:32 < misspwn_> killdash9, riiiich
06:32 < coderphive> killdash9, lmaoooo
06:32 < coderphive> killdash9, shut up and put the spoon to your mouth
06:32 <@killdash9> misspwn_: Xmas present from mmy son that has damn good taste
06:32 < AustinS> i am that bottle's age.. lol :|
06:33 < coderphive> GrandpaRick, that's not multi-cloud
06:33 <+NinjaStyle> Same but since it was 28 on Christmas
06:33 < AustinS> actually no im 29. woa
06:33 < GrandpaRick> agent_white: https://who.is/dns/shorevapesli.com
06:33 <+layer-eight> * GrandpaRick →  shorevapesli.com DNS information - who.is
06:33 < redhat> okay community.. need an opinion. Needed to wire Ubiquiti cam's throughout the house and the only way (without destroying the innards of my house) was to run it outside. Here's my conduit job, 7 lines ran (CAT 5E).. thoughts?    https://imgur.com/GNHsdYH   and    https://imgur.com/hnZy3eR
06:33 <+layer-eight> * redhat →  IMGUR Image → Image/jpeg → 6 minutes ago → 3024x4032 → ⚘ 0
06:33 <+layer-eight> * redhat →  IMGUR Image → Image/jpeg → 7 minutes ago → 3024x4032 → ⚘ 2
06:33 < coderphive> GrandpaRick, just fyi
06:33 < misspwn_> he better be your favorite son then :))
06:34 <@killdash9> bottle is actually from a 1989 batch, but you don't count years after bottling. So, AustinS, it's likely older than you
06:34 <+NinjaStyle> redhat: looks good
06:34 < redhat> thanks NinjaStyle
06:34 < coderphive> whew
06:34 < coderphive> but is that bottle older than me?
06:34 < AustinS> tru, was born in Apr 89 so .. yeah probably got a head start on me :P
06:34 < misspwn_> hmmm fine i may be older than that bottle
06:34 < Hunterkll> lol
06:34 < agent_white> Older than me by a few years :)
06:34 < GrandpaRick> coderphive: how is running in multiple clouds not multi-cloud when they are redundant clouds, and using backend code to manage it?
06:34 <@killdash9> https://i.imgur.com/Ja8VyZ9.png
06:34 <+layer-eight> * killdash9 →  IMAGE/PNG Document, 228,490 bytes
06:35 <+NinjaStyle> killdash9: looks expensive
06:35 < misspwn_> fast trackin in the 30s wutwut
06:35 <@killdash9> I'm sure it was
06:35 < coderphive> GrandpaRick, Take a look at your DNS setup
06:35 <+NinjaStyle> I wish I liked my dad enough to buy him whisky
06:35 <@killdash9> I lied though. It's a 27.
06:35 < misspwn_> i don't know dick about whiskey
06:36 < coderphive> NinjaStyle, I'll be your dad
06:36 <@killdash9> misspwn_: there's no 'e' in real whisky
06:36 <+NinjaStyle> Lol
06:36 < misspwn_> i'll buy a  bottle of laphroig for my dad because i like the botle
06:36 < misspwn_> its pretty
06:36 < AustinS> my friends obsessed with that.  so intense
06:36 < AustinS> good.. in a very intense way.. :P
06:36 < redhat> killdash9: very nice
06:36 <@killdash9> I think I have a bottle of that too.
06:36 < GrandpaRick> coderphive: what about the DNS setup?
06:37 < coderphive> you're dependent on the providers DNS
06:37 < redhat> I suppose the (most expensive) bottle of Scotch I've had recently was a Macallan rare cask
06:37 < agent_white> GrandpaRick: That's meaningless to me, I literally just started learning about DNS-load-balancing last week. Never hurts to say 'I don't know' ;)
06:37 < redhat> super tasty
06:38 < GrandpaRick> coderphive: I can have 2 of the 3 fail without an issue
06:38 < redhat> GrandpaRick: What were you asking?
06:38 < AustinS> DNS shouldn't be THIS big of a concern for most people I would think..
06:39 < GrandpaRick> coderphive: and it returns different SOA records depending on which NS server you hit
06:39 < misspwn_> DNS deez
06:39 < redhat> DNS is very straight forward.
06:39 < AustinS> you should have the same SOA record tho wat
06:39 < AustinS> lol
06:40 < AustinS> yeah you're overthinking DNS, or don't fully understand.. it's definitely not some complicated magical thing
06:40 < GrandpaRick> AustinS: they should be kept in sync
06:40 < redhat> Use R53, grab the Nameservers, add it to your preferred domain registrar, configure R53 as you please (add hosted zones, decide if you want to use weighted \ simple \ etc.) and go on
06:40 < AustinS> I know DNS quite well, trust me :)
06:40 < redhat> yep
06:40 < Hunterkll> AHAHAHAHAHAA LOLOLOL
06:40 < Hunterkll> https://www.slashgear.com/imac-pro-server-rack-macstadium-private-cloud-02532722/
06:40 < redhat> what AustinS said
06:40 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  This iMac Pro server rack is both beautiful and powerful - SlashGear
06:41 < agent_white> AustinS: He wasn't asking, he was explaining his setup.
06:41 <@killdash9> Ahhhhhh... https://i.imgur.com/aVC0Ci2.jpg
06:41 <+layer-eight> * killdash9 →  IMAGE/JPEG Document, 181,171 bytes
06:41 < coderphive> AWS DNS and Google DNS use an entirely different spec
06:41 < AustinS> lmao @ the imac pro rack.
06:41 < coderphive> You can't just sync between them
06:41 < coderphive> unless it's just A records
06:41  * agent_white clinks killdash9's glass
06:41 < redhat> "I used route 53 and google cloud dns and A records,"  >>> wat
06:41 < AustinS> yea I'm bouncin' out of this convo I can't be of use lol
06:41 < redhat> :D
06:42 <@killdash9> anyone else want some? I hate to drink alone
06:42 < AustinS> go have a smoke/wake up and try to get oneeeeeeee or 2 more hours out of myself
06:42 < AustinS> I def would!
06:42  * MillerBoss drinks more Mountain Dew
06:42 < coderphive> killdash9, If you live in Dallas
06:42 < AustinS> I need to get a bottle of something in my office here..
06:42 <@killdash9> I'm a few hours south. Bit of a drive
06:42 < misspwn_> wonder if that would pair well with my roast beef and cheddar grilled tortilla thing i made and grape koolaid
06:42 < GrandpaRick> coderphive: github and stackoverflow would disagree with you
06:42 < coderphive> GrandpaRick, the proper way to do multicloud is a CDN
06:42 < Hunterkll> killdash9, when we gonna hang out ya'll
06:42 < Hunterkll> lol
06:43 <+NinjaStyle> coderphive: that's for hanging out with me when I was in Dallas
06:43 < coderphive> GrandpaRick, okay, the last job I worked at says their records are different
06:43 <+NinjaStyle> Thanks*
06:43 <@killdash9> no comments on my new 49" 32:9 display? ;)
06:43 < AustinS> coderphive, time for you to just step away too
06:43 < AustinS> not worth smashing your head in <3
06:43 < coderphive> haha
06:43 <@killdash9> misspwn_: I think that sounds like a great pairing.
06:43 < coderphive> NinjaStyle, I did offer
06:44 <+NinjaStyle> Rly?
06:44 < coderphive> I offered to see TuxedoJack when I was in Austin too
06:44 <+NinjaStyle> I was there for 5 whole days
06:44 <+NinjaStyle> I kept asking
06:44 < coderphive> like my nick is easily googleable
06:44 < coderphive> I have no anonymity here kek
06:44 <+NinjaStyle> I have your twitter too
06:44 < coderphive> tru
06:44 < Hunterkll> I was mis-dox'd once
06:45 < Hunterkll> Apparently I own a labradoodle named ginger and my name is Steven or something
06:45 < MillerBoss> killdash9 👉 We are in June now. Feel free to change your calendar. :D
06:45 < Hunterkll> this was in the same leak that dox'd sabu correctly.
06:45 < coderphive> hell ye
06:45 <@killdash9> Hunterkll: hang out? so you can murder me and steal my scotch?
06:45 < Hunterkll> how the FUCK did they get Sabu dox'd correctly and not me?
06:45 < Hunterkll> lmao
06:45 <@killdash9> MillerBoss: good call
06:45 < coderphive> Hunterkll, you would be a steven
06:45 < coderphive> with big buck teeth
06:45 < Hunterkll> nah
06:45 < coderphive> shhhhhteven
06:45 < misspwn_> ginger is a fantastic name for a labradoodle
06:45 <+NinjaStyle> I can be doxxed easily but takes a certain type to do that
06:45 < agent_white> Hunterkll: Sabu? Wasn't he on hackthissite back in the day? That name rings a bell.
06:46 <+NinjaStyle> And I hope no one is such a cunt
06:46 < Hunterkll> agent_white, LulzSec. he was the one the FBI flipped
06:46 < coderphive> https://pics.me.me/steven-makes-me-moist-narator-np-lmao-who-did-this-6728545.png
06:46 <+layer-eight> * coderphive →  IMAGE/PNG Document, 152,296 bytes
06:46 < agent_white> Yeah I think he was on hackthissite too... him and Jeremy.
06:46 < Hunterkll> ... no?
06:47 < agent_white> He wasn't? It's been over a decade since I was on their IRC.
06:47 <+NinjaStyle> You guys are hackers
06:47 < Hunterkll> considering that hackthissite looks totally different then the last time i looked at it and i didn't even know they had an irc
06:47 < Hunterkll> it used to look like a semi-legit site last time i saw it
06:47 < Hunterkll> lol
06:48 < agent_white> I do remember when Jeremy was on the DL (and changed his nick, etc.) when the FBI was watching him... I got bitched at for saying 'no, that's his alt nick' in chat.
06:48 < Hunterkll> i'm even highlighted in red
06:48 < MillerBoss> Hunterkll 👉 That is actually pretty cool https://www.macstadium.com/imacpro/ I got a Mac mini over there and a couple blade servers. Great hosting
06:48 <+layer-eight> * MillerBoss →  iMac Pro - Coming to MacStadium
06:48 < agent_white> NinjaStyle: When I was 13 I thought I was a haxxxor ;P
06:48 < Hunterkll> because i was considered important back then
06:48 < coderphive> is this before or after he got partyv&
06:48 <+NinjaStyle> agent_white: :)
06:48 < coderphive> also
06:48 < Hunterkll> coderphive, this was before it was public he sabu got flipped
06:49 < Hunterkll> lol
06:49 < coderphive> rip
06:49 < Hunterkll> let's see, AnonNet IRC network affiliation, name: Steven Parrish, "MAnager of a McDonalds, owns a labradoodle named "ginger". Rumored to have several "personal" videos floating about"
06:49 < Hunterkll> well
06:49 < Hunterkll> the videos part is accurate anyway
06:49 < agent_white> Hunterkll: When I say 'over a decade', I literally mean it... it was about 13 years or so ago when I was 14 and just starting to dive into computer crap.
06:49 < Hunterkll> agent_white, dude this all fired up in 2008 or so
06:49 < Hunterkll> anyway
06:50 <+NinjaStyle> Hunterkll: I'm stoked for Defcon
06:50 < Hunterkll> actually no
06:50 < Hunterkll> lulzsec was 2011
06:50 < agent_white> Hunterkll: Jeremy getting knocked on? Oh no, this most definitely happened then. I'm not bullshitting when I said I got yelled at, etc.
06:50 < Hunterkll> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LulzSec
06:50 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  LulzSec - Wikipedia
06:50 <+NinjaStyle> I'm gonna buy you a tequila shot
06:50 < Hunterkll> i don't know who that is agent_white
06:50 < Hunterkll> anyway
06:50 < Hunterkll> NinjaStyle, pfff i'll just take you to the diamond lounge and get it for free anyway
06:50 < Hunterkll> :p
06:50 < coderphive> Diamond Lounge
06:50 < agent_white> Hunterkll: Jeremy Hammond. He ran hackthissite.
06:50 < Hunterkll> i also don't care
06:50 < coderphive> That just implies crabs
06:50 < agent_white> (rather, was one of those who did)
06:51 < coderphive> and not the kind that go in butter
06:51 < Hunterkll> coderphive, ?
06:51 < Hunterkll> lol
06:51 <+NinjaStyle> Hunterkll: fine then
06:51 < Hunterkll> it's a Caesars perk for those who gamble a fair amount
06:51 < Hunterkll> lol
06:51 < Hunterkll> free drinks and food etc
06:51 < Hunterkll> i've actually never been to the lounge in Caesars proper
06:52 < Hunterkll> though i'm going to be hitting the fuck up out of it in atlantic city next weekend
06:52 < Hunterkll> since at least the harrah's there has a full lunch buffet and shit
06:52 <+NinjaStyle> It's only June D:
06:52 < Hunterkll> and again in laughlin NV too
06:52 < Hunterkll> doing that two weeks after next weekend
06:52 < Hunterkll> casino's flying us out on their charter airline
06:52 < Hunterkll> lol
06:52 < coderphive> tbh
06:52 < coderphive> The Clubhouse Dallas
06:53 < AustinS> psh ill fly in on our jet
06:53 < AustinS> jk I wish I had jet privileges
06:53 <+NinjaStyle> I'll fly out in southwest
06:53 < AustinS> one day.. one day
06:53 < Hunterkll> southwest sucks
06:53 <+NinjaStyle> B boarding group
06:53 <+NinjaStyle> Like a boss
06:53 < Hunterkll> i finally flew them for the first time when Caesars flew us out to lake tahoe
06:53 < Hunterkll> fuck them
06:53 < Hunterkll> fuck them hard
06:54 <+NinjaStyle> They're ok
06:54 < AustinS> southwest is like..
06:54 < Hunterkll> no real food and too many people
06:54 < AustinS> the best airline
06:54 < AustinS> when compared to Spirit...
06:54 <+NinjaStyle> Better then frontier
06:54 < Hunterkll> there's a reason i pretty much fly only american
06:54 < Hunterkll> unless i have damn good reason to do otherwise
06:54 <+NinjaStyle> Than*
06:54 < AustinS> Spirit is by far the worst of all.  But yeah I always fly Delta
06:54 < Hunterkll> AustinS, spirit had cup o noodles and selectable seating. southwest didn't.
06:54 < Hunterkll> i'll take spirit over southwest
06:54 <+NinjaStyle> Southwest seating is the best
06:55 <+NinjaStyle> You just check in on time
06:55 < AustinS> hits all the routes i do, for usually the lower rate, i HAD status but don't travel anymore.. and companys preferred too so when they book thats what it is
06:55 < Hunterkll> fuck that
06:55 < Hunterkll> lol
06:55 < Hunterkll> i got platinum w/AA so
06:55 < Hunterkll> that's what i stick with
06:55 < Hunterkll> lol
06:55 < Hunterkll> took a bit o work for sure
06:55 < Hunterkll> i either get the extra legroom seats for free or just fly first these days
06:56 < agent_white> How the hell do you end up with casinos flying you out?
06:56 <+NinjaStyle> He has a gambling addiction
06:56 < Hunterkll> lol
06:56 < Hunterkll> you wish
06:56 < Hunterkll> then i'd be broke
06:56 < Hunterkll> >_X
06:56 <+NinjaStyle> :(
06:56 < Hunterkll> instead i'm semi-broke at the moment because i just threw $1500 at resupplying my photo gear
06:57 < Hunterkll> agent_white, well it all started at defcon last year.....
06:57 < Hunterkll> one thing led to antoher and i kept throwing stacks of cash at a-ko's face to wake him up every so often....
06:57 < Hunterkll> then we took $1500 into tijuana for hookers and booze....
06:57 < AustinS> innn 2011? i had a amex centurion ("black") card -- was on someone elses biz acct and I just paid for the ridic extra cardholder fee, I obv would not be able to have that on my own
06:57 < AustinS> so just reaped the travel perks for a couple years on that.. and then ran another 2 years on my own status (not as high) and thennn I slowly hated flying more and more
06:57 < Hunterkll> agent_white, then december happened and i built a $8000 desktop PC ....
06:58 < Hunterkll> then january happened and i paid off some debt ....
06:58 < Hunterkll> then i was put down for two months >:3
06:58 < Hunterkll> I only won $1170 at lake tahoe last month
06:58 < agent_white> Hunterkll: :) I still want to go... I have a Defcon 13 shirt that I ordered when I was young to 'make up for it', that's the closest I've come to going hah.
06:58 < Hunterkll> lol
06:58 < Hunterkll> agent_white, you could crash in my suite
06:58 < Hunterkll> :P
06:59 < Hunterkll> I have a comp'd 1050 sq ft suite in Caesars
06:59 < Hunterkll> for 5 nights
06:59 < Hunterkll> lol
06:59 < agent_white> Hunterkll: I'll go one day... I want to meet the cDc folks. Used to hang around there, actually Darksorcerer sent me a box of records when I mentioned I was learning DJ'ing.
06:59 < Hunterkll> lol
06:59 < agent_white> (he lived in CO... not sure if he does anymore)
07:00 < Hunterkll> I need to buy my plane tickets for july
07:00 < AustinS> too bad GrandpaRick didnt have dual DNS he wouldnt have timed out!
07:00 < AustinS> ok brb for real
07:00 < Hunterkll> i have to fly into LA on july 4th
07:00 < Hunterkll> >_X
07:00 < Hunterkll> that'll be fun
07:00 < agent_white> Hunterkll: I'll hit you up if I do though, no doubt :) I know my old sysadmin will definitely be there and at queercon. He showed me a box of his badges... I'm jealous.
07:00 < AustinS> better than my 4th of july last year :)
07:00 < AustinS> lol
07:00 < Hunterkll> shit, i have to call my host too
07:01 < Hunterkll> after Anime Expo i need to fly to las vegas to get my free laptop
07:01 < Hunterkll> gotta register for that
07:01 < AustinS> on the 2nd I broke both wrists.  shit was rough.. hopefully air traffic isnt crazy.. i figure most people would try to travel before or after that
07:01 < Hunterkll> AustinS, the roughest part is i'm going for a convention that's the 5th through the 8th
07:01 < Hunterkll> -_-
07:01 < AustinS> :x
07:02 < AustinS> good luck <3 <3
07:02 < Hunterkll> lol
07:02 < Hunterkll> well, one way is $181
07:02 < Hunterkll> i'll probably just use rewards miles to get a free hop to LV
07:02 < Hunterkll> then buy a ticket from LV to home
07:02 < Hunterkll> must call my host on monday and make the reservations
07:04 < agent_white> Hunterkll: Are the tales of 'don't go near the pool' still true? ;)
07:04 < Hunterkll> eh
07:05 < Hunterkll> no jizz and shit flakes that i saw
07:05 < Hunterkll> but i was staying in the paris last year
07:05 < Hunterkll> we'll see this year
07:05 < agent_white> Oh I mean getting pushed in, that's at least what I heard back then... or at 14 that's what I thought they meant by it.
07:06 < agent_white> Jizz and shitflakes does sound lovely though.
07:06 < Hunterkll> well
07:06 < Hunterkll> there's some old circulationg pictures of a hot tub or two...
07:06 < Hunterkll> but for pushed in ?
07:06 < Hunterkll> eh
07:06 < Hunterkll> iphone X and apple watch can take it
07:06 < Hunterkll> :p
07:06 < agent_white> Oh boy.
07:06 < Hunterkll> i've never had that issue
07:06 < Hunterkll> but i've never really been to the pools in caesars either
07:08 < agent_white> I think I need to 'level up' a bit more before I'm ready to go to Defcon. Don't think I would appreciate it enough quite yet.
07:08 < Hunterkll> meh
07:08 < Hunterkll> just get wasted and party a lot
07:08 < Hunterkll> you'll be fine
07:08 < Hunterkll> 'twas amusing watching my fitbit freak out as someone was trying to hack it though
07:08 < agent_white> In that case I've been prepping for years. ;)
07:09 < agent_white> Hahah that's awesome
07:09 < Hunterkll> yea i think i went down like $3k on the tables before i went sky high
07:10 < Hunterkll> left with over $10k and some change, dropped about 8500 into an ATM in san diego on the way to tijuana to bang some mexican hookers after
07:10 < Hunterkll> hell of an after party that's for sure
07:11 < coderphive> I'm tired
07:12 < coderphive> night
07:12 < rpifan> night
07:20 < hello_kitty> I have to turn on 50+ servers that use wss. These are little game servers that appear on a server listing of my main website, and new ones are usually added every week. Can I get around using a wildcard cert and/or having to make a dns entry for each?
07:25 < rpifan> use
07:25 < rpifan> ansible
07:26 < rpifan> just add to a play
07:26 < hello_kitty> rpifan: a play that has a script to add the dns stuff?
07:27 < rpifan> sure if you know how to do it that way
07:27 < hello_kitty> i havent done it but i'm using linodes this time and it looks like they just added an api for it
07:27 < rpifan> apis are fun
07:29 < hello_kitty> would you still suggest learning ansible if i already have a script that deploys my servers? It installs everything, sets up services, uploads my app, and then starts it. I ended up doing it so often that I just wrote down the commands and a made a script that runs them in order
07:29 < hello_kitty> w/ the added benefit of uploading too
07:36 < hello_kitty> i think I'll just try it all w/ ansible this time just to see what it is like
07:37 < rpifan> well
07:37 < rpifan> ansible is the big deal now
07:39 < hello_kitty> i'm just looking for anything that makes maintenance and adding new servers easier... short of using the big clouds which I think im leaning towards not using do to the cheapo nature of the product and its high bandwidth use
07:39 < hello_kitty> *due to
07:40 < hello_kitty> would also love some free-ish monitoring options, if anyone has suggestions for those... i liked pm2+keymetrics (my product consists of many node.js websocket servers that run games) but the keymetrics license costs more than my actual servers do :x
07:41 < rpifan> prometheus
07:41 < rpifan> and node exporter
07:41 < rpifan> ultra complex
07:41 < rpifan> but i manged to get basicstuff out of it
07:44 < hello_kitty> rpifan: looks good. Do you end up with a webpage or something where you can see how all the servers are doing?
07:44 < rpifan> nop
07:44 < rpifan> u gotta parse the data urself
07:59 < AustinS> dont remember who was talking about grindr yesterday but i always forget how trash it is/how anxious i get not wanting to get back on lmao.  i swear i open it for ONE second to see whats up and
07:59 < AustinS> "???"   "hey??"
07:59 < AustinS> animalsss
08:01 < AustinS> and yea +1 ansible
08:03 < plop> morning
08:03 < plop> `bofh
08:03 <+layer-eight> BOFH Posix compliance problem
08:04 < plop> MillerBoss, you up? :D
08:36 < GrandpaRick> where would 600K/yr place me percentage wise?
08:36 < GrandpaRick> Top 10%?
08:38 < genr8_> way higher
08:38 < genr8_> A household with an income of $143,611 was at the 90th percentile point,
08:38 < genr8_> The top 5% of households earn an annual income of $214,462 or higher
08:39 < GrandpaRick> supposedly you can get that with a degree and 5-8 yrs of work experience
08:41 < CoJaBo> Not being in debt places you in the top 50% or something
08:43 < GrandpaRick> damn didnt know that
08:43 < mal_will> I think there's a website for that
08:43 < GrandpaRick> well then I'm doing well already(without doing anything)
08:43 < GrandpaRick> lol
08:43 < mal_will> https://dqydj.com/income-percentile-calculator/
08:43 <+layer-eight> * mal_will →  Income Percentile Calculator for the United States. What Percent Are You?
08:44 < GrandpaRick> genru_ 7 yrs, worth $1M, $600k/yr revenue, possible?
08:45 < GrandpaRick> basically being in the top 0.3% of people by income
08:45 < genr8_> why do you think youre qualified for a 600k job
08:46 < genr8_> most people are only delusional up to the $100k point
08:46 < GrandpaRick> lol
08:46 < catbeard> it depends on the information you have
08:46 < GrandpaRick> I did say 7 yrs but
08:46 < GrandpaRick> full stack dev
08:46 < catbeard> and how much they're willing to pay continuously to slowly leak it
08:47 < mal_will> 600k for a full stack developer? Is that even possible?
08:47 <+NinjaStyle> It's possible
08:47 < catbeard> 600,000 rupees
08:47 < GrandpaRick> yeah, its being done in fintech and T1 companies
08:48 < mal_will> Average in us is 120ish
08:48 < mal_will> For a Senior*
08:48 < GrandpaRick> and independent contracting comes with its advantages(and disadvantages)
08:48 <+NinjaStyle> GrandpaRick: you need to not set such an unreasonable goal. You don't even have a dev job yet
08:48 < genr8_> mal_will: that sounds like what i've seen and heard
08:49 < genr8_> thats why i was like.... start your delusions at 100k, or 120k, not 600k
08:49 <+NinjaStyle> Yeah hit 100k first
08:49 < mal_will> Shit I dream of 100k right now
08:49 < genr8_> private contracting yeah that could do it
08:49 < rpifan> i got close to 100k
08:50 < GrandpaRick> so you dont think a good marketing agency, and independent contracting can reach 600k/yr in 7 years?
08:50 < rpifan> someone help me pad out my resume with realistic things ive done
08:50 < genr8_> I dont think you can physically do enough work to hit that amount
08:50 < MillerBoss> plop 👉 I sir.
08:50 < genr8_> unless you just overcharge and they let themselves get ripped off
08:50 < Disconsented> I wonder how long until everyone here figures out this guy is an idiot and to stop feeding him
08:50 < rpifan> sigh this kid
08:50 < mal_will> Srs, it'd be some work
08:50 < plop> hey MillerBoss
08:50 < rpifan> really needs some IRL experience
08:51 <+NinjaStyle> Independent contracting is hard. Even if you're pulling in 600k revenue you will probably need to outsource work
08:51 < mal_will> I just got here gimme five minutes disconsented
08:51 < MillerBoss> Whats the word?
08:51 < genr8_> Calculated @$150 an hour, 4000 hours to hit $600k. thats 80 hours a week for 50 weeks
08:51 < genr8_> so yea gl with that
08:51 <+NinjaStyle> genr8_: tbf that hourly rate is low
08:51 < mal_will> My consultant for my company makes $150
08:52 <+NinjaStyle> My work charges like 250/hr for me
08:52 < mal_will> Seems like a fair rate. He's a Dev, I think he's full stack
08:53 < rpifan> lol
08:53 < rpifan> he is nothing
08:53 <+NinjaStyle> The problem is that you would need to do project management, sales, marketing and dev work all by yourself
08:53 < mal_will> But the actual consultant never takes home their charge rate
08:53 < mal_will> Have to pay for the company to run too
08:53 < mal_will> Even if it's your own, you have overhead
08:54 <+NinjaStyle> Yeah, licensing costs, insurance
08:54 < GrandpaRick> $2k/day 6k/wk
08:54 < mal_will> Legal
08:54 < mal_will> My god the taxes!
08:54 < GrandpaRick> at 2k/day 6k/wk you are bringing in ~50/hr
08:55 < GrandpaRick> its kinda nuts
08:55 < genr8_> no
08:55 < mal_will> Que?
08:55 <+NinjaStyle> Wat
08:55 < genr8_> math
08:55 <+NinjaStyle> Learn math
08:55 < GrandpaRick> Ik math
08:55 < genr8_> redo it then
08:55 < vader-> Realistically I'm seeing devops guys getting like $125-200k
08:55 < GrandpaRick> its called taxes, and days you arent actually working
08:55 < mal_will> Ick*
08:55 < GrandpaRick> its a lot more than just 2000/8
08:55 < vader-> I have seen any really break the 200k level
08:55 < vader-> Havent
08:56 < L3gacy> Morning, peeps!
08:56 < mal_will> Freelance consulting is a nightmare too
08:56 <+NinjaStyle> 200k is a tough barrier
08:56 < mal_will> Gl staying booked regularly
08:56 < genr8_> even for other seriously high paying jobs, 200-300 is like the top 1%
08:56 < mal_will> Dry spells are real
08:56 < vader-> Yup
08:57 < vader-> You will ultimately find yourself working for multiple firms
08:57  * L3gacy slides NinjaStyle some pan seared mahi, seasoned with white pepper, kosher salt, and lime
08:57 < mal_will> You can charge$500, sure, and they'll go to the guy charging$150/hr
08:57 <+NinjaStyle> Yeah you'll end up a subcontractor if you're lucky
08:57 < GrandpaRick> mal_will: it really depends
08:58 < GrandpaRick> what do you have to bring to the table that they dont
08:58 < L3gacy> I dont have ipv6 :'(  *kicks verizon*
08:58 <+NinjaStyle> L3gacy: sounds delicious
08:58 < mal_will> Not for my budget
08:58 < mal_will> We go cheap as possible
08:58 < L3gacy> NinjaStyle: I serve it with fire roasted brussel sprouts, now
08:58 < vader-> I really think there are some IT salary barriers...
08:58 < L3gacy> Want good money?
08:58 < L3gacy> Get your CCIE
08:58 <+NinjaStyle> Ew
08:58 < mal_will> Sys admins are so wrecked rn
08:58 < L3gacy> Buddy just walked into a job in NYC, asked for 230k
08:58 < L3gacy> they said, ok
08:59 < genr8_> NYC is special cause its the financial district
08:59 < mal_will> Everyone is a sys admin so no one is and we all make less than "market" in my area
08:59 < GrandpaRick> RIP
08:59 < vader-> 35k, 50k, 65k, 75k, 100k, 115k, 125k, 140k, 150k, 200k
08:59 < vader-> Seem to be the barriers
08:59 < GrandpaRick> vader-: what about NYC/CA?
08:59 < genr8_> why 140 AND 150 ?
08:59 < L3gacy> The brussel sprouts are seasoned with sweet cream butter, and sea salt, NinjaStyle
08:59 < vader-> Ya NYC cost of living makes that salary normal
09:00 < mal_will> $72k in Denver is like $50 in Nebraska.
09:00 < genr8_> otherwise i agree with those barriers
09:00 <+NinjaStyle> L3gacy: gimmie
09:00 < vader-> Those salaries I listed are just the numbers I see during job searches
09:00 < mal_will> Cost of living will get you
09:00 < L3gacy> I'm debating some days to quit IT, and go food
09:00 < agent_white> mal_will: You in Denver too?
09:00 < GrandpaRick> and I've also seen billing by value rather than hourly
09:00 < mal_will> Yee
09:00 < GrandpaRick> not sure how well that works in practice
09:00 < L3gacy> I always bill hourly
09:00 <+NinjaStyle> GrandpaRick: it doesn't
09:00 < rpifan> can someone just engage with GrandpaRick in a differnet kind of way
09:00 < L3gacy>  #FuckValue
09:00 < rpifan> it doesnt make sense to just keep goign like this
09:01 < genr8_> GrandpaRick: you are loved
09:01 <+NinjaStyle> GrandpaRick needs to get a job
09:01 < mal_will> T&M are how my invoices come in. It's always hourly so we can dicker the total cost down
09:02 <+NinjaStyle> It's either hourly or per job based on estimated hours
09:02 < L3gacy> I always invoice hourly.  And I make sure there is a contract signed, now, before any work
09:02 < mal_will> Sry Yee agent_
09:02 < mal_will> white
09:02 < mal_will> Dang phone
09:02 < agent_white> mal_will: Nice. I'm on the job hunt right now... finding linux positions I'm eligible for around here is the hardest part for me... most seem to be lookin' for seasoned vets and not lower-tier slots.
09:02 < vader-> Ya usually T&M or Fixed Price
09:02 < genr8_> whats T&M time and money ?
09:02 <+NinjaStyle> agent_white: lots of denverites in here
09:02 < L3gacy> My $EX_BOSS was selling a local tile busines "new" PCs he said, for 600 each
09:03 < mal_will> Are you in Denver or elsewhere agent_white?
09:03 < L3gacy> They were i5 2400S based
09:03 < vader-> Any of you guys work with multi forest AD/ and exchange?
09:03 < agent_white> mal_will: In Denver :) Well, just a bit south of - off of i25 and Evans.
09:03 <+NinjaStyle> genr8_: time and materials
09:03 < agent_white> NinjaStyle: No shit? You from here too?
09:03 <+NinjaStyle> Yep
09:03 <+NinjaStyle> A few others as well
09:04 < mal_will> Dtc is usually bumping this time of year agent_white
09:04 < ThatOneRoadie> all'a y'all fuck off
09:04 < mal_will> I personally hate that commute
09:04 < L3gacy> Hai, ThatOneRoadie
09:04 < ThatOneRoadie> actually you know what fuck it
09:04 < ThatOneRoadie> I bought a house
09:04 < mal_will> Yo ThatOneRoadie
09:04 < ThatOneRoadie> keep coming
09:04 <+NinjaStyle> ThatOneRoadie: < denver
09:04 < ThatOneRoadie> bring me equity
09:05 < mal_will> I'm a native
09:05 < mal_will> I'm superior
09:05 < ThatOneRoadie> because builders aren't building single family homes any more
09:05 < mal_will> Praise meeeeee
09:05 < ThatOneRoadie> because apartment blocks with no parking make more money
09:05 <+NinjaStyle> They are, they're just all in bfe
09:05 < ThatOneRoadie> You're a native? Cool, I'll take your land and give you smallpox
09:05 < mal_will> I meant to co
09:06 < mal_will> But also, cold man
09:06 < ThatOneRoadie> ThatsTheJoke.jpg :P
09:06 < agent_white> Oh wow... well if you guys know anyone wanting a linux NOC let me know :) For now I've only seen only a few ones narrowed to my realm of things (telecom).
09:06 < mal_will> I'm also that kinda native
09:06 < ThatOneRoadie> yeah, they're building some SFM stuff out near... like
09:06 < ThatOneRoadie> parker and 470
09:06 < ThatOneRoadie> and south of castle rock
09:06 < ThatOneRoadie> though that area's getting expensive now because springs is expanding north
09:06 < ThatOneRoadie> There's new construction going up around highway 7 and I-25 too
09:07 < ThatOneRoadie> because everyone likes a 65 minute commute to DTC
09:07 < mal_will> Have you gotten in with recruiters agent_white ?
09:07 <+NinjaStyle> Fuck commuting to dtc
09:07 < mal_will> I hate it
09:07 < ThatOneRoadie> My office is right smack on bellevue and I-25
09:07 < ThatOneRoadie> speaking of
09:07 < ThatOneRoadie> fuck that set of lights
09:07 < ThatOneRoadie> who the fuck timed those lights
09:07 < L3gacy> Anyone hiring in north jersey?
09:07 < ThatOneRoadie> on bellevue from monaco to DTC Blvd
09:07 < L3gacy> ThatOneRoadie: Roseanne Barr did
09:07 < ThatOneRoadie> those lights are fucked
09:08 < agent_white> I'm decently close enough to both DTC and downtown (since I'm around DU)... light-rail is close enough!
09:08 < ThatOneRoadie> Every day I hit every single red light
09:08 < ThatOneRoadie> and every afternoon it's gridlocked
09:08 <+NinjaStyle> agent_white: yeah that's a good spot
09:08 < ThatOneRoadie> it's like someone took the right timing and said nah fuck this
09:08 <+NinjaStyle> ThatOneRoadie: downtown timing is excellent though
09:08 < genr8_> same here
09:08 < ThatOneRoadie> My office is right off the bellevue station but my house is way the fuck out in aurora
09:08 < genr8_> they just re-fucked the lights
09:08 < ThatOneRoadie> so no light rail for me
09:09 <+NinjaStyle> Saudi Aurora
09:09 < mal_will> I haven't had to drive to work in a few years
09:09 < mal_will> I don't miss driving
09:09 < L3gacy> So Ijust got an email
09:09 < ThatOneRoadie> NinjaStyle, not quite that far north :P
09:09 < genr8_> i kind of wanted to be a traffic engineer so i could be the ones to time the lights
09:09 < agent_white> mal_will: Ahhh no I haven't. I haven't had the best experiences with recruiters going for linux gigs... or software in general. Last one gave me a 'linux system administrator/jr.developer' position (wtf does that even mean?).
09:09 < L3gacy> EX roomie is suing me for "pain and suffering"
09:09 < ThatOneRoadie> I'm south of Iliff
09:09 < ThatOneRoadie> so the nicer side of aurora
09:09 < L3gacy> She packed my vents with salmon, ffs
09:10 < vader-> Any of you in Chicago?
09:10 < mal_will> "do more, get paid less" agent_white
09:10 <+NinjaStyle> L3gacy: D:
09:10 < genr8_> countersue, itll just muddy the waters and the case will be dismissed ;p
09:10 < L3gacy> She also burned a bunch of my clothing
09:10 < ThatOneRoadie> s'okay, I'm pretty sure one of the roommates here just stiffed us on the last month's rent
09:10 < agent_white> mal_will: Right? I was more confused as to whether it was 'a linux sysadmin who can script', or 'jr dev looking to go into sysadmin'.
09:10 < L3gacy> Including my PEBCAK shirt :(
09:11 < mal_will> I hate a cobbled title with a vague job description
09:11 < L3gacy> She's claiming a suicide attempt was because I "made her homeless"... The OWNER of the trailer evicted her.  NOT ME
09:11 < ThatOneRoadie> lol
09:11 <+NinjaStyle> That some shit
09:11 < mal_will> This sounds awful L3gacy
09:11 < ThatOneRoadie> our lease is up at the end of june and the owner declined to renew
09:11 < L3gacy> tbh, I did tell her when she threatened it, to notmake too much of a mess
09:11 < ThatOneRoadie> fortunately I'm closing on a house soon™
09:12 <+NinjaStyle> :)
09:12 < L3gacy> oooh new house, ThatOneRoadie ?
09:12 < ThatOneRoadie> newer
09:12 < ThatOneRoadie> built 99
09:12 < L3gacy> cat 5e, or 6a, there, ThatOneRoadie ?
09:12 < ThatOneRoadie> None, so I'll run 6a throughout
09:12 < L3gacy> oooh fancy
09:12 < ThatOneRoadie> 1000 sq ft unfinished basement with joist and wall access
09:12 < ThatOneRoadie> yeet
09:13 < L3gacy> i love 10g over copper.  HATE that damn spline in the line
09:13 < ThatOneRoadie> psh
09:13 < ThatOneRoadie> I love the spline
09:13 < ThatOneRoadie> it means I don't need fishing tape
09:13 < ThatOneRoadie> lol
09:13 < L3gacy> I had to fix some sparky's work last month
09:13 < L3gacy> in moving out the OLD rack, he cut all the 5e AT THE WALL OPENING
09:14 < L3gacy> rather than at the patch panel
09:14 < L3gacy> I need tacos ar 3:14am
09:14 < ThatOneRoadie> I'm tempted but I think I'll just have some chicken fries and corn dogs
09:14 < mal_will> I had taco star today
09:14 < ThatOneRoadie> cause that's healthy
09:15 < mal_will> And CO people love taco star?
09:15 < ThatOneRoadie> eh
09:15 < ThatOneRoadie> I'm not a fan of mexican food
09:15 < ThatOneRoadie> but I lived in NM for 7 years
09:15 < ThatOneRoadie> I got burned out on it real fast
09:15 < mal_will> Green chili tho
09:15 < L3gacy> ThatOneRoadie: U need grilled mahi
09:15 <+NinjaStyle> I like Mexican but it's pretty cheese heavy
09:15 < ThatOneRoadie> mmmmmmmmmm poke
09:15 < mal_will> Man I love tortillas and tomatillo salsa
09:16 < ThatOneRoadie> not a fan of green chile at all
09:16 < ThatOneRoadie> I don't like spicy
09:16 <+NinjaStyle> Waaa
09:16 < ThatOneRoadie> except for indian for some dumb reason
09:16 <+NinjaStyle> U sick fuck
09:16 < L3gacy> I make a mean garlic and sriracha aeoli tho
09:16 < ThatOneRoadie> a good indian lunch buffet is awesome
09:16 <+NinjaStyle> Indian is the shit
09:16 < mal_will> Poke can get old but maybe I'll grab some tomorrow
09:16 < L3gacy> Palak Paneer ftw
09:16 < mal_will> Poke world is best poke
09:16 < ThatOneRoadie> poke city opened in dtc recently too
09:16 < mal_will> Chana saag is my jam
09:16 < ThatOneRoadie> I've got to get to baker street again at some point for lunch
09:16 < ThatOneRoadie> damn good fish and chips
09:17 < ThatOneRoadie> not quite as good as GB's
09:17 < ThatOneRoadie> but pretty close
09:17 < L3gacy> dang cats
09:17 < L3gacy> keep batting at my g600 mouse when 'm pvping
09:17 < mal_will> Downtown Denver has like 15 poke options alone
09:17 < mal_will> Most suck
09:17 <+NinjaStyle> Poke sucks
09:17 < L3gacy> Butter chicken :)
09:18 < mal_will> You just don't understand it yet NinjaStyle
09:18 < ThatOneRoadie> Before I moved out of downtown, Obento was the shit
09:18 < ThatOneRoadie> and also the ramen bar that opened on like 16th and california ish
09:18 < mal_will> Once you understand it, you'll love it
09:18 < ThatOneRoadie> I forget the name
09:18 <+NinjaStyle> Im just old-school
09:18 < mal_will> 16th St pho
09:18 <+NinjaStyle> ThatOneRoadie: isn't that obento?
09:18 < L3gacy> Pho nomenal
09:18 < mal_will> ?
09:19 < mal_will> Or menya maybe ThatOneRoadie
09:19 <+NinjaStyle> Nah that's obento
09:19 <+NinjaStyle> On 16th and cali
09:19 < ThatOneRoadie> Menya
09:19 < mal_will> But it's not ramen right?
09:19 < ThatOneRoadie> that was the place
09:19 < L3gacy> I make a mean tonkatsu ramen
09:20 < L3gacy> Ramen breakfast ;)
09:20 < ThatOneRoadie> Champa, not cali
09:20 < ThatOneRoadie> yeah, obento is cali
09:20 < mal_will> I dig menya, but the other one on 16th. Different menus
09:20 < ThatOneRoadie> also, Grimaldi's is the best NY style in downtown
09:20 < ThatOneRoadie> fite me
09:20 < mal_will> Yasaiiii. They both make poke now, too
09:20 < agent_white> Now I'm curious/scared if I ever worked with one of you guys... *squints*
09:20 < ThatOneRoadie> nah
09:20 < ThatOneRoadie> I worked for latishit for a while
09:20 < mal_will> Marquis is my fave NY style
09:21 < L3gacy> Anyone here ever have a client so stupid, you have to squint at them?
09:21 < agent_white> lati?
09:21 < ThatOneRoadie> everything else has been contract work or my current employer
09:21 < AustinS> ooh we're taklin about somewhere closer to me instead of texas and boring ass places
09:21 < ThatOneRoadie> Latisys, colo company that sold out to Zayo shortly after I left and took 4 noc guys and a Systems admin with me :P
09:21 < mal_will> Man, I want poke ramen and Marquis pizza right now
09:21 < ThatOneRoadie> was Data 393 before that
09:22 < mal_will> Put the pike on the pizza, dip it in ramen
09:22 < L3gacy> Manny's in Millville, NJ.  Best pizza
09:22 < ThatOneRoadie> Tell you what though, Patxi's is some good deep dish
09:22 < ThatOneRoadie> L3gacy, best NY slice I've had outside of New York is in a place in Las Vegas with no name and no sign
09:22 < L3gacy> Deep dish?  ooooh
09:22 < mal_will> I can fuck with patxi but so expensive
09:22 < mal_will> It's like $50 delivery for two people
09:22 < ThatOneRoadie> Literally called "Secret Pizza" on yelp
09:22 < agent_white> Oh deng... colo... did you have boxes in the Denver Electric Building? The place I worked at had offices in there for awhile.
09:23 < L3gacy> One cat just vommed on another here
09:23 <+NinjaStyle> agent_white: I doubt it. No one I worked with used IRC
09:23 < ThatOneRoadie> The Oil and Gas Building? Nah, nothing in there
09:23 < mal_will> Sure you get like 5lbs of pizza
09:23 < ThatOneRoadie> Zayo does, but Latisys didn't
09:23 < agent_white> NinjaStyle: Ahhh yeah, me neither :) _Maybe_ our sysadmin, but I think I remember him saying he didn't.
09:23 < ThatOneRoadie> Secret Pizza is a place with no sign, no arrows, nothing. Just a couple pizza ovens and arcade cabinets in what should be a janitor's closet, between two 3-star restaurants in the Cosmopolitan in Vegas
09:24 < ThatOneRoadie> it's fucking amazing
09:24 < ThatOneRoadie> like $30 a pie but they're 22" pies
09:24 < mal_will> I'm also craving some big rig from watercourse
09:24 < mal_will> That's some magic
09:24 <+NinjaStyle> agent_white: are you looking because you need a job, or just wanna switch jobs?
09:24 < mal_will> Weird, I haven't seen secret pizza yet
09:25 < agent_white> TheOneRoadie: Ah for sure. Yeah we did, I helped our sysadmin move equipment over to that new place across the street from it... 'the champa center' or whatever.
09:26 < ThatOneRoadie> https://www.yelp.com/biz/secret-pizza-las-vegas
09:26 <+layer-eight> * ThatOneRoadie →  Secret Pizza - 3376 Photos & 4027 Reviews - Pizza - 3708 Las Vegas Blvd S, The Strip, Las Vegas, NV - Restaurant Reviews - Phone Number - Yelp
09:26 < agent_white> NinjaStyle: Need a job :) Shortly after I joined up at my previous one, my boss left (she had 10 years xp there, in a company of ~15 people) and left me and the other NOC without a boss for 6 months. New boss came in and brought his buddies and we were kicked out.
09:26 < ThatOneRoadie> I love hole-in-the-wall places like that
09:26 < L3gacy> so... debating... IT in North joisey, or quit IT, and open a food truck, and drink a lot
09:26 <+NinjaStyle> Why not IT and a food truck
09:27 < L3gacy> buddy said he can get me 120k, if I get my sec+, net+, and ccent
09:27 <+NinjaStyle> agent_white: damn that sucks
09:27 < mal_will> Sec and net+ are easy peasy
09:27 < mal_will> Idk about ccent tho
09:28 < L3gacy> I need a 256GB USB3 key
09:28 < L3gacy> damn ISOs
09:28 < ThatOneRoadie> L3gacy, go get an aegis
09:28 < L3gacy> win 7, 8.1, 10, 2012, 2012r2, 2016, 2008, 2008R2, Ubuntu, Debian, Arch...
09:28 < ThatOneRoadie> I think they make a 512GB Secure key now
09:28 < L3gacy> dont need secure
09:28 < L3gacy> just need for easy2boot
09:29 < L3gacy> and portableapps
09:29 < ThatOneRoadie> yeah but why wouldn't you WANT secure
09:29 < ThatOneRoadie> yean, 480GB now
09:29 < ThatOneRoadie> https://www.apricorn.com/aegis-secure-key-3
09:29 <+layer-eight> * ThatOneRoadie →  Aegis Secure Key For Sale- Secure USB Flash Drive
09:29 < L3gacy> I got a server her I might unload
09:29 < L3gacy> Dual socket DL360G7
09:30 < agent_white> NinjaStyle: Is what it is... I had a feeling it would happen (lead dev of our retail platform hinted at it happening since the guy had a history working for corps that 'ate up' other telecom companies). More ticked at my previous boss leaving early since there was so much I coulda learned from her.
09:30 <+NinjaStyle> That's shitty:/
09:31 < L3gacy> why is my 1TB internal HDD clicking?!
09:31 <+NinjaStyle> agent_white: how much experience do you have?
09:31 <+NinjaStyle> I get a lot of recruiter stuff on LinkedIn all the time
09:32 < agent_white> NinjaStyle: Not much unfortunately... in the NOC-world I have around 1.5 years professional experience (split between two telecom companies).
09:33 < agent_white> And yeah I have too, but it's always stuff I think I'm not quite yet ready for. All the linux slots are lookin' for guys with 5-10+ years of experience.
09:34 <+NinjaStyle> Sometimes you get lucky. Worst case you get the interview experience
09:35 < agent_white> I could snag a jr.dev slot easily I think (I know 4 languages fluently [python, perl, lua, ruby(+rails)], but I'm kinda aiming for the 'devops' thing - I'd rather be the glue between the devs and sysadmin, leaning towards more sysadmin though.
09:35 <+NinjaStyle> Also, I've had recruiters stick with me after the first one didn't work out to get me something that fit later
09:37 < agent_white> Yep very true. So far my best experience has been without the recruiters and talking directly to the folks I would be working with.
09:37 < agent_white> Since my resume is a bit flat, I've made my best impressions talking to the tech folks directly.
09:38 <+NinjaStyle> Yeah same, it sucks working with recruiters, but it sucks less than putting out apps imo
09:39 < agent_white> Yep definitely :) 'Requirements' don't deter me from applying... never hurts to give it a shot and see!
09:41 <+NinjaStyle> I work remotely so all our jobs are in other states :/
09:41 <+NinjaStyle> Otherwise I would send stuff over
09:42 < L3gacy> I need tacos, bad
09:43 < L3gacy> So. ... what languages should I learn to help my IT career?
09:43 < agent_white> I've been looking into remote since there's a lot more out there in the *nix realm, but not sure if my xp will prevent that (though I have roughly a year of remote). Seems like a lot of the remote ones want someone with 3+ years.
09:43 < ThatOneRoadie> L3gacy, Powershell, Ruby/Python, C
09:43 <+NinjaStyle> Go
09:43 <+NinjaStyle> + ThatOneRoadie recs
09:44 < agent_white> Go is the hot shit. People love that Kubernetes injection.
09:44 < ThatOneRoadie> Yeah, Go's getting popular but it's pretty close to C
09:44 < ThatOneRoadie> so just learn C
09:44 <+NinjaStyle> Yeah I wish I was good at C
09:44 < xe0n> what about D?
09:44 < xe0n> :P
09:44 < xe0n> LOL
09:44 <+NinjaStyle> Ayyy
09:45 < ThatOneRoadie> Every employer wants employees with the D
09:45 < agent_white> C is my goal to be fluent in. Primary goal is to get a PR accepted to the Linux kernel (and not one fixing grammar issues :P).
09:45 <+NinjaStyle> Sexism in the work place is the new hotness too
09:45 < genr8_> Open Floor plans are sexist
09:46 < genr8_> so is air conditioning
09:46 <+NinjaStyle> I submitted a PR to a big project recently, not sure if it's been merged though
09:46 < ThatOneRoadie> A/C is reverse sexist
09:46 < ThatOneRoadie> sooo sexist
09:46 < agent_white> 'Open? Like manspreading? Are you implying man-floor plans?!'
09:46 < ThatOneRoadie> Man-planning
09:47 < ThatOneRoadie> alright, off to bed with me
09:47 <+NinjaStyle> My new boss always mansplains to me. I get why women don't like it
09:47 < ThatOneRoadie> gotta pack shit in the house tomorrow
09:47 <+NinjaStyle> I gotta fly to ATL tomorrow
09:47 < ThatOneRoadie> My condolences
09:48 <+NinjaStyle> I'm gonna melt
09:48 < agent_white> I gotta... get some OSPF/BGP learnin' goin tomorrow.
09:48 < xe0n> we've had a couple of nice days after a week of rain, been good
09:48 < xe0n> got out in the surf yesterday
09:49 <+NinjaStyle> You're in the upside down right?
09:49 < xe0n> correcto
09:49 <+NinjaStyle> Seems nice
09:50 < xe0n> where i am yeah, it's nice
09:50 < xe0n> i swapped city for the sea late last year
09:50 <+NinjaStyle> Worth?
09:50 < plop> sea is good
09:50 < xe0n> totally
09:50 < xe0n> i love it here
09:51 < xe0n> https://www.sunshinecoast-australia.com/media/images/picture-new-noosa-main-beach.jpg my local, 5min walk
09:51 <+layer-eight> * xe0n →  IMAGE/JPEG Document, 107,219 bytes
09:51 < xe0n> im over the bridge on the right
09:51 < plop> thats awesome xe0n
09:52 < agent_white> Shiet... that looks nice. I dunno if I could deal without having a good snowstorm though. And if there's no mountains how do you know which way is west?! ;P
09:53 < xe0n> plenty of mountains lol
09:53 < xe0n> http://noosaquays.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/noosa-main-beach-aerial11.jpg
09:53 <+layer-eight> * xe0n →  IMAGE/JPEG Document, 184,048 bytes
09:53 < xe0n> thats a cool view
09:54 < agent_white> NinjaStyle: Serious note though, if you do know any folks around here looking for NOC techs let me know. I'd be more than happy to shoot my resume/linkedin over to see if I'm worth considering.
09:54 < plop> that is my way to work everyday :D https://imgur.com/a/EyMF2In
09:54 <+layer-eight> * plop →  IMGUR Album → a minute ago → 1 Image → ⚘ 0
09:54 < xe0n> thats sweet
09:55 <+NinjaStyle> agent_white: I got nothing atm but if I hear anything I'll hit you up
09:55 < xe0n> love a good boardwalk
09:55 < agent_white> Please do :)
10:00 < AustinS> O_O xe0n i hate you now
10:00 < AustinS> @ beach
10:00 < AustinS> D:
10:00 < xe0n> loll
10:03 < L3gacy> Is it still illegal to facebook unfriend someone by rolling up on them with a bat IRL?
10:03 < L3gacy> "Friend" just posted BLATANTLY racist shit, and then said "I stand with Roseanne"
10:03 < L3gacy> I hate facebooger
10:03 < xe0n> you should close your account
10:03 < JPT> Just get rid of facebook
10:04 < JPT> So much better
10:04 < L3gacy> I use facebook for communicating with epople I dont want giving my cell# to
10:04 < AustinS> i hate facebook and just people in general lol
10:04 < L3gacy> Still firends, but... dont want them able to call me
10:04 < AustinS> reminds me of this .. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/anti-muslim-twitter-troll-amy-mek-mekelburg_us_5b0d9e40e4b0802d69cf0264
10:04 <+layer-eight> * AustinS →  Trump's Loudest Anti-Muslim Twitter Troll Is A Shady Vegan Married To An (Ousted) WWE Exec | HuffPost
10:04 < JPT> If you care about those people, you'll find a way. But if it's just for these "It's XYZ's birthday today!" and you barely know them ... :|
10:06 < L3gacy> Oh G_D.  He just psoted "Trump will make america WHITE again"  BLOCKED
10:07 < xe0n> isn't that what linkedin is for?
10:07 < xe0n> lol
10:16 < L3gacy> I seriously need to find a better job :|
10:19 < agent_white> What do you do now?
10:26 < vader-> Man I can't sleep
10:26 < vader-> I have to be at the air port for a flight too
10:26 < vader-> In the morning/afternoon
10:30 < AustinS> my sleep always gets fucked up before flights
10:31 < catbeard> just get rly high before you fly
10:31 < catbeard> can't pop you for being blazed
10:32 < xe0n> L3gacy, you seem to go around in circles with the convo... if you're unhappy at your current place, being abused and mistreated, and you're starting to act unprofessionally, leave, get on the dole, find something better. no one deserves to be treated like shit, but you seem to think you're locked into your current place.
10:33 < xe0n> no one can help you but yourself...
10:44 < L3gacy> xe0n: I did quit, screaming till I spit blood
10:44 < L3gacy> $EX_BOSS is still demanding I be on call 24/7
10:44 < agent_white> D:
10:45 < xe0n> so yeah, you screaming, unprofessional..
10:45 < xe0n> and if you've quit, there's no on call
10:45 < xe0n> so you're out :D
10:46 < xe0n> learn from the past, and move forward dude...
10:46 < L3gacy> He was screaming at me, first :)
10:46 < xe0n> yeah, and you just walk out...
10:46 < xe0n> lol
10:46 < L3gacy> I'm just gonna go SSI for now, and get a few certs, work on mental health, and then move to NYC
10:47 < xe0n> cool, so get yourself sorted before you do the certs, or any form of study. maybe even before you find a new job lol
10:48 < xe0n> im sure you'll suss it out, but only you know whats best for yourself dude.
10:48 < L3gacy> I'm not looking for work until, #1 Mental Health is better, #2 I get my CCENT, CCNA, Net+, and Sec+
10:49 < xe0n> really, if you want certs, you want the employer to pay for em. certs are great, and easier to study\pass\process when you're using the case material on a day to day basis.
10:49 < L3gacy> xe0n: truth.  I'll see what I can do about my mental health first :)
10:49 < agent_white> 'if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all' is a phrase for a reason... 'he did it too' is never a legit reason to do something.
10:49 < L3gacy> agent_white: stop being truthful! :P
10:50 < xe0n> soft skills go a long way...
10:50 < agent_white> L3gacy: Write it, read it twice before hitting send. Saved me plenty of times when I was mad (just typing it out sometimes is good enough to calm me down).
10:50 < L3gacy> oh :)
10:51 < xe0n> im a fan of letting something sit in drafts for a bit, massage the words in your head, and when you're ready, and confident the email is written correctly, and you haven't dug yoruself a hole\left something out\sound like a dick, send.
10:52 < xe0n> i sometimes need to send emails company wide, few thousand employees, i very carefully write them, and re-write, and then let it sit for a bit, before pressing send
10:52 < agent_white> Yeup exactly. Hell, even with non-fury-powered-emails I still write once, read twice...
10:52 < xe0n> it's like the receptionist who sent out an an email "SUPRISE drinks everyone", lolll
10:53 < agent_white> Oh god
10:53 < xe0n> we all had a laugh
10:53 < xe0n> or the guy who replied all with "dido"
10:53 < xe0n> you mean ditto? lol
10:54 < xe0n> anyways, whatevs, im hungry
10:54 < xe0n> whats for dinner
10:54 < agent_white> He meant they would listen to Dido while drinking ;)
10:55 < xe0n> i heard he got a few youtube links pasted to him loll
10:59 < xe0n> could do noodle box
10:59 < xe0n> combo noodles
11:00 < xe0n> mmm
11:00 < xe0n> would be left over for tomorrow as well
11:01 < CoJaBo> hmmpthrmfm. 17589048164352 bytes (18 TB, 16 TiB) copied, 3427 s, 5.1 GB/s dd: error writing 'sdl3.bin': File too large
11:01 < genr8_> you can resume
11:01 < genr8_> manually, by setting the offset
11:04 < CoJaBo> its uh. Not one of those newfangled >16TB disks
11:05 < CoJaBo> I'd usually use ddrescue, but my system with it installed is broken again :/
11:05 < CoJaBo> and I lost my sysrescusb
11:05 < CoJaBo> Also, TIL ext4 only goes up to 16TB files. Weaksauce.
11:07 < genr8_> TIL
11:08 < vader-> Man normally my wife snoring keeps me up but to night she is quite... I have a migraine starting and heart burn... the damn dog is cramping my legs up. He picks either me or the wife to butt up against in bed
11:08 < L3gacy> LOL
11:08 < genr8_> does he get in the way when you're banging her too
11:09 < genr8_> i didnt think ppl slept with dogs
11:09 < genr8_> er not in that way.
11:09 < vader-> He used to roll and go down stairs then he went threw a phase where he was in our business hehe
11:09 < genr8_> just .... dog in bed.. kinda thing
11:10 < vader-> My dog is small but he cramps your sleeping like a mofo
11:10 < genr8_> they must know. dogs are smart
11:10 < genr8_> i bet he's all hot and sweating up the place too
11:10 < vader-> Makes a California king feel as small as a prison cot
11:10 < vader-> Na he isnt
11:11 < vader-> He is a good dog and once he is settled he doesn't move
11:11 < genr8_> does he wake you up first
11:11 < vader-> But if you like to move and shift in bed its like having a 10-12lbs weight on top of the sheets hehe
11:11 < genr8_> put like
11:11  * CoJaBo is used to filesystems where I can create a 382TB file via an unnoticed typo
11:12 < vader-> Na he wakes my wife up everyday
11:12 < genr8_> an ottoman in front of the bed, have him sleep on that
11:12 < vader-> He wont
11:12 < CoJaBo> That still stands as the largest accidentally-created file I've ever made
11:12 < vader-> He has to butt up against someone's legs
11:12 < genr8_> lol
11:13 < vader-> Sometimes its in between... sometimes to.the side
11:13 < genr8_> must love dogs
11:13 < vader-> I have had dogs my whole life... this one is by far my favorite
11:14 < vader-> He is super smart. He makes all my other dogs look like a pile of bricks
11:15 < vader-> I taught him to count from 1-10
11:15 < vader-> And do addition
11:15 < genr8_> wow
11:15 < genr8_> what is it jack russel ?
11:15 < vader-> Yorkie
11:15 < genr8_> are they usually smart
11:15 < vader-> He has won me so many bets hehe
11:16 < L3gacy> Doge is doin a heckin bark at 5:15 >.<
11:16 < vader-> Especially with drunk people when I the them he can add
11:16 < vader-> They don't believe it
11:16 < L3gacy>  #CantSleepClownsWillEatMe
11:17 < L3gacy> My arm is burning.  Damn insulin
11:20 < katnip> diabetic?
11:21 < katnip> what are the side effects of insulin?
11:23 < vader-> Bought a new travel backpack today for this trip I have to take sun/mon
11:23 < L3gacy> katnip: yas
11:23 < L3gacy> sugar was 222
11:23 < vader-> Very impressed with it
11:24 < katnip> sucks
11:25 < katnip> i'm not insulin dependent (yet) but my sugar runs about 160-170
11:26 < L3gacy> I've been on insulin 4 months, and already showing signs of insulin resistance
11:27 < L3gacy> there are times FRESH insulin doesnt drop my sugar more than 40 points
11:27 < L3gacy> at 15 units
11:28 < katnip> what are the options then?
11:28 < L3gacy> usually renal failure, amputation...
11:28 < L3gacy> I'm even on metformin on top of it
11:28 < L3gacy> so there's that
11:29 < katnip> me too
11:29 < katnip> hear of ron santo?
11:29 < L3gacy> no.  whodat?
11:31 < katnip> he was an infamous 3rd baseman for the chicago cubs for several years, then he retired from playing and went into the radio booth, found out he was diabetic, lost both legs before he passed, very sad.
11:31 < L3gacy> :'(
11:32 < xe0n> i play 3rd base and second pitcher
11:32 < katnip> he may have been a heavy drinker
11:33 < katnip> jon lester of the cubs is diabetic
11:33 < katnip> not to mention he had lymphoma few years back
11:34 < katnip> some of these new drugs are dangerous, can cause cancer
11:34 < katnip> makes me wary
11:43 < katnip> much linux admin in here?
11:45 < Hunterkll> Anyone know where onedrive for business stores its library URL?
11:49 < bomb> dudes
11:49 < bomb> prepare me for linux sysadmin job interview
11:51 < katnip> sounds cyncical :)
11:52 < rpgio> bomb: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0QGLMwR-lY
11:52 <+layer-eight> * rpgio →  YouTube → Top 10 Linux Job Interview Questions → ⚘ 498,873 ↑ 7,668 ↓ 229 ✍ 489
11:52 < bomb> rpgio: yay, thanks!
11:53 < rpgio> B-)
11:54 < bomb> can you recommend a book too? i must know Linux better than Linus
11:55 < katnip> https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxadmin/
11:55 <+layer-eight> * katnip →  linuxadmin: Expanding Linux SysAdmin knowledge
11:55 < rpgio> yeah reading through the top posts on /r/linuxadmin is a good idea
11:55 < rpgio> how much time do you have to prepare?
11:55 < bomb> about a week
11:56 < agent_white> See job requirements -> study job requirements
11:56 < bomb> hmm. they mention linux, postgresql, redis
11:56 < agent_white> That's it?
11:57 < bomb> yeah they seem to want everyone apply
11:57 < katnip> containers
11:57 < bomb> oh right, i need to know about docker and kubernates
11:57 < bomb> especially how to spell them :P
11:58 < agent_white> 'i no leenax'
11:58 < bomb> knowing about nginx and apache httpd is also good, i guess
12:00 < katnip> kali tools
12:00 < bomb> is bash scripting required?
12:00 < katnip> lol
12:01 < rpgio> definitely
12:01 < bomb> powershell could be installed on linux :P
12:01 < agent_white> I wouldn't wish that upon my worst enemy
12:01 < bomb> alright, bash. i also know some python
12:02 < rpgio> bomb: as for books: UNIX and Linux System Administration Handbook (5th Ed) && Linux Bible, 9th Edition
12:03 < katnip> Linux Pocket Guide
12:03 < agent_white> I can't tell if trolling or not
12:03 < katnip> some are
12:03 < katnip> pocket guide is not
12:04 < katnip> o'reilly
12:04 < rpgio> pray tell, where's the trolling
12:04 < bomb> terrific, i'm gonna buy them
12:04 < rpgio> \o/
12:05 < bomb> sweet baby jesus 1500 pages O_O
12:05 < katnip> https://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/browse
12:05 <+layer-eight> * katnip →  All commands
12:05 < agent_white> rpgio: bomb, that or if he's asking these questions I should entirely start applying to more linux admin jobs.
12:09 < bomb> oh Java applications ervers
12:10 < bomb> i should know how to configure them
14:31 < katnip> the original version of harry potter and the philolophy stone (british version, 1997) is worth over $7,000 USD
15:01 < Bru-> morn
15:07 < Bru-> https://i.imgur.com/PitTnbD.gifv
15:07 <+layer-eight> * Bru- →  Shopping: Men vs Women
15:07 < Bru-> lolol
15:51 < coderphive> lmao
15:52 < coderphive> So Microsoft was allegedly violating GPL per a post on r/linux
15:52 < coderphive> and with that, a wild Greg Kroah-Hartman appears
15:54 < coderphive> also rip to that dude that thinks he can learn k8s in a week
15:54 < rhqq> yes
15:54 < rhqq> hi coderphive
15:54 < agent_white> Did KH hop into that thread?
15:54 < coderphive> hi rhqq
15:54 < rhqq> how long didi you play with that troll after i left
15:55 < coderphive> agent_white, he did, haha
15:55 < coderphive> rhqq, I got tired quickly. I'm sick.
15:55 < coderphive> multi-clouds dependent on the cloud providers dns
15:55 < coderphive> smdh
15:56 < rhqq> yeah
15:56 < coderphive> much less dns round robin for availability
15:56 < coderphive> I'm all for multi cloud if you're running k8s but it costs a metric fuck ton
15:56 < rhqq> mhm
15:57 < coderphive> You're going to hire some people like Dyn or fastly to run your top level dns, then you have to sync provider records and data stores
15:58 < rhqq> well, if you're that big you can afford writing your own setup to manage that
15:58 < coderphive> if you have healthy SLA's/SLO's the usual amazon or google outages aren't that bad
15:58 < rhqq> also if youre that big you're paying akamai to do shit for you
15:58 < coderphive> rhqq, I've done it once in my career and it wasn't worth it imo
15:59 < rhqq> meaning
15:59 < rhqq> which one do you refer to
15:59 < coderphive> There's so many more ways to enhance reliability within a provider when you sustain provider failure
15:59 < rhqq> yeah, but akamai is like bulletproof
15:59 < coderphive> like if EC2 fails, make sure you use multiple AZ's and application based health checks, always autoscale
16:00 < coderphive> Rarely does an entire region fail
16:00 < rhqq> yeah last one in 2011
16:00 < rhqq> that was storage failiure
16:00 < coderphive> yeap
16:00 < rhqq> theres one remark
16:01 < coderphive> I won't say it'll never happen again, but it's not likely
16:01 < rhqq> if you've 2 application servers altogether autoscaling is not the best option
16:01 < rhqq> $$$s wise
16:01 < rhqq> but 5-6 and over, sure youre right
16:01 < coderphive> I mean if you're pinching pennies like that I'd say don't be in the cloud
16:01 < rhqq> not really
16:01 < coderphive> go to DO or Linode
16:01 < rhqq> nah
16:01 < rhqq> there are different use cases
16:02 < coderphive> I put everything behind ASG's tbh
16:02 < coderphive> but I also work in reliability
16:02 < coderphive> that's the product you get from me
16:02 < rhqq> yeah, but asg is not cost efficient for very small deployments
16:03 < coderphive> how so?
16:04 < rhqq> if you have 2 app servers and you know what's going on, you may take a decission on not spawning another node and save $s
16:04 < coderphive> You can ASG 1 instance
16:04 < rhqq> but again, i worked with small companies and they wanted everything cost efficient
16:04 < coderphive> That way if the instance fails it comes right back up
16:05 < rhqq> i have that done on other layer
16:05 < rhqq> monitoring+triggers
16:05 < coderphive> I guess you can do that
16:05 < rhqq> restarting service is faster than restarting entire system or rebuilding entire node
16:05 < coderphive> I point ASG's at an application health app
16:06 < coderphive> rhqq, sure, sometimes
16:06 < coderphive> but often application instability is also reflective of the system at large
16:06 < coderphive> at least in large distributed systems
16:06 < rhqq> yeah, but i already made it clear i was talking about small envs
16:06 < coderphive> yeap
16:06 < coderphive> I get it
16:06 < rhqq> i do not argue about large ones
16:07 < rhqq> that's entirely different story
16:07 < coderphive> Most of my work has come from working on larger systems so my advice is probably best taken with a gain of salt on small systems
16:08 < coderphive> like if you're running some ecommerce suite or something
16:10 < rhqq> but yeah, one of my clients is going to grow soon to the point i may actually think of asg
16:11 < coderphive> Do you work for a consultancy?
16:12 < rhqq> yeah sorta kinda
16:12 < rhqq> one man army ops
16:13 < coderphive> I honestly couldn't imagine
16:13 < rhqq> ?
16:14 < coderphive> dealing with other companies ops stuff
16:14 < rhqq> well, im going for creating my own msp company
16:15 < coderphive> the last company I was at did those agreements
16:15 < coderphive> It's what ended up ending our SRE program
16:15 < coderphive> It was one of the big indian outsourcers though
16:16 < rhqq> eww
16:16 < rhqq> worst type of
16:16 < rhqq> outsourcing
16:16 < coderphive> They didn't understand distributed systems at all. They'd restart entire clusters for regular failures.
16:16 < rhqq> yup
16:17 < coderphive> They also almost exclusively used the AWS console to do things
16:17 < coderphive> To them AWS was middleware
16:19 < rhqq> i've picked up few system after such ppl
16:19 < rhqq> or after *buzzword warning* "devops engineers"
16:20 < rhqq> all indian or turkish
16:21 < coderphive> kek
16:21 < coderphive> There's a lot of American companies that do stuff by hand in the cloud too
16:22 < rhqq> i do some work by hand in aws, but then average lifetime of my machine is way longer
16:23 < rhqq> so i restart services rather than rebuild node
16:23 < rhqq> so nommuch automation in regards to that, since it doesnt hurt to open up console once in a week and enlarge a drive or whatever
16:24 < coderphive> That would drive me nuts
16:24 < coderphive> idk though, at this point that's simple automation
16:24 < coderphive> for me
16:24 < rhqq> it is not for me, every machine is different
16:25 < rhqq> i am all for automation, but here writing logic around that would take more time than it takes to open up console once in a week for 5 minutes
16:25  * L3gacy runs across the dance floor, dressed like Carmen Miranda
16:25 < coderphive> I think at this stage it seems that way
16:25 < rhqq> https://xkcd.com/1319/
16:25 <+layer-eight> * rhqq →  xkcd: Automation
16:26 < coderphive> Once you develop the patterns that's not the case
16:26 < rhqq> patterns sure, i have everything formalized and standardized
16:26 < L3gacy> Got news on EX_BOSS.  He called, about 20 min ago, demanding the usb key with all the scripts I wrote, saying it's company property, and I'm not allowed to use them. :P
16:26 < coderphive> L3gacy, back story?
16:27 < coderphive> rhqq, I'm talking about automation patterns
16:27 < rhqq> i have automation on system layer and automation on monitoring layer
16:27 < L3gacy> I ragequit.  $EX_BOSS demanded I be on call 24/7, only get paid when really working, and not make any plans on weekends from now on.  He also said I can quit when HE says
16:27 < L3gacy> I ragequit, screaming, till i spit blood
16:28 < coderphive> woof
16:28 < L3gacy>  #Fuck10AnHour
16:28 < coderphive> 10 an hour?
16:28 < coderphive> wat
16:28 < agent_white> ^
16:28 < L3gacy> yeah.  Break/fix
16:28 < L3gacy> on site, etc
16:28 < agent_white> Though it really is company property though unfortunately.
16:28 < coderphive> Yeah that's still not 10 an hour
16:29 < L3gacy> He also said I am not aLLOWED to get cisco certs, too
16:29 < coderphive> 10 an hour is like serving coffee at starbucks
16:29 < L3gacy> the scripts were written on MY time, at home
16:29 < L3gacy> And no contract with $BOSS
16:29 < agent_white> coderphive: My roommate stocks shelves at an outlet store and makes more.
16:29 < coderphive> L3gacy, are you prepared to fight that in court?
16:29 < coderphive> agent_white, I believe it
16:29 < L3gacy> coderphive: yes
16:29 < coderphive> 10 an hour is shit
16:30 < coderphive> Where do you live?
16:30 < Alternity> L3gacy: cool off, don't respond to anything today.
16:30 < L3gacy> One of the scripts he's DEMANDING as company property, is the Black_Viper script I downloaded
16:30 < rhqq> heh, how... funny, to be fair :P
16:30 < L3gacy> Like.. It's not even mine
16:30 < rhqq> L3gacy: tell him to deliver usb stick
16:30 < rhqq> and put linux source code ther
16:30 < rhqq> ;p
16:30 < rhqq> since you've been broswing that too
16:30 < Alternity> cool off, reset, sleep on it, then respond
16:31 < coderphive> ^
16:31 < L3gacy> But there's a nice script that traceroutes, and pings each step 50 times, to check for dropped packets at each step.  I use it on faulty lans
16:31 < coderphive> At this point consider yourself in a legal dispute
16:31 < agent_white> L3gacy said earlier that him and said boss already exchanged words... I think it's beyond the 'cool down' phase.
16:31 < agent_white> I would move on. Fuck that gig, onto the next one.
16:31 < coderphive> yeah fuck that man
16:31 < coderphive> 10 an hour
16:31 < L3gacy> I wanted to exchange a 2x4 with him, but I refrained.  He started cussing me out
16:31 < agent_white> Otherwise you're just going to make yourself more upset, and you're not getting paid for that.
16:32 < L3gacy> agent_white: I'm sippin lavender lemonades :)
16:32 < coderphive> That's literally what a corporal in the military makes
16:32 < agent_white> ;)
16:32 < coderphive> that blows my mind
16:32 < L3gacy> I also have tequila, still.  My cousin is keeping me stocked
16:32 < L3gacy> speaking of which... insulin time
16:32 < coderphive> our start up is pretty small, but we don't even pay our field dudes that little
16:33 < coderphive> I think our base for the field is like 15 or 16
16:33 < agent_white> Not unheard of; I accepted a $11/hr for an entry-level gig at a startup... figured I didn't have the experience so even landing the job was good enough. I was naive.
16:33 < coderphive> well, we also value people as people
16:33 < coderphive> not as lawnmowers
16:34 < agent_white> Yeah exactly. Not worth the time/effort at that pay rate.
16:34 < L3gacy> $CO_WORKER is pissed he has to work and cant take vacay, now
16:34 < coderphive> How does anyone work under those conditions
16:34 < L3gacy> Also, now $OTHER_COWROKER told me he cant afford to hire a new tech at going rate, and he's been planning on selling
16:34 < L3gacy> So... Karma?
16:35 < coderphive> Sounds like the business isn't profitable
16:35 < agent_white> Take it as a learning experience, and move on. Again, they aren't paying you to occupy your thoughts... so don't let them.
16:35 < L3gacy> We lost 5 big clients this year... Almost $20k/month
16:35 < L3gacy> She said it's no longer profitable
16:35 < L3gacy> so... whee?
16:36 < coderphive> That'll do it
16:36 < L3gacy> I'm applying for SSI on monday
16:36 < L3gacy> I need mental health time, and donuts
16:36 < L3gacy> I have my SSDI as I'm only in the "trial phase" of working
16:36 < agent_white> What kind of donuts?
16:36 < L3gacy> But I need time to "do me"
16:37 < L3gacy> Bacon crusted glazed
16:37 < agent_white> Ooo
16:37 < L3gacy>  #BreakfastDonuts
16:37 < L3gacy> Anyone see this yet?
16:37 < L3gacy> https://blog.hackster.io/udoos-new-bolt-is-like-a-raspberry-pi-turned-up-to-eleven-af5b9d7436de
16:37 < rhqq> yes
16:37 < rhqq> it's been here like a dozen of times last 5 days
16:37 < L3gacy> I wants the V8
16:38 < L3gacy> Just need 16GB of DDR4-SODIMM, tho :(
16:39 < coderphive> that's more like a nuc competitor
16:39 < rhqq> yeah
16:39 < rhqq> especially these amd chips
16:39 < L3gacy> oh hell yeah
16:39 < rhqq> are like 2300U, 2500U and 2700U
16:39 < coderphive> I wonder what the storage is
16:39 < L3gacy> I miss my red special edition NUC
16:39 < rhqq> so they have vega5,7,11
16:40 < rhqq> i'm still waiting for some dell with ryzen pro :(
16:40 < L3gacy> It uses M.2
16:41 < L3gacy> has a Bkey, EKey, and 32GB eMMC
16:41 < L3gacy> and an M2 Socket 3 :O
16:41 < coderphive> just saw that
16:41 < L3gacy> Sucks 2TB M2 SSDs are spensive
16:42 < coderphive> 3 m.2 slots
16:42 < coderphive> wow
16:42 < coderphive> oh nvm only one can be used at once looks like
16:43 < coderphive> still, that's dope
16:43 < rhqq> yeah
16:45 < rhqq> v1605b is 2500u
16:45 < rhqq> ish
16:45 < rhqq> same silicon, just different bins
16:50 < coderphive> that's a drastic drop in price from the nuc
16:50 < coderphive> I'll probably wait to buy
16:51 < coderphive> but that looks like a great home automation server
16:51 < rhqq> iunno
16:51 < rhqq> too expensive for my taste
16:52 < rhqq> but it's all-in-one and quite compact, also quite performant
16:52 < coderphive> yeap
16:52 < rhqq> depends on what you mean by home automation
16:52 < coderphive> home assistant
16:52 < coderphive> tbh running HA on a pi is not a good idea
16:52 < rhqq> https://github.com/MycroftAI
16:52 <+layer-eight> * rhqq →  Mycroft · GitHub
16:53 < rhqq> this thing
16:53 < rhqq> as alexa replacement ;p
16:53 < rhqq> this is what i'd see as home automation ;p
16:53 < rhqq> and i'd rather buy some 3 gen older than current atom
16:54 < rpifan> hi
16:54 < rhqq> or anything 5 years old i3/i5 platform for pennies
16:54 < rhqq> still plenty of power but way cheaper
16:56 < coderphive> generally people that use HA don't like to off-load things to the cloud
16:56 < coderphive> HA runs its own messaging server etc
16:57 < coderphive> Something like Mycroft would just interact with an automation server
18:10 < rpifan> mycroft-soft
18:21 < bomb> guys, these questions are... hard
18:21 < bomb> https://fossbytes.com/top-50-linux-system-administrator-interview-questions-answers/
18:21 <+layer-eight> * bomb →  Top 50 Linux System Administrator Interview Questions
18:22 <@killdash9> shit questions are shit: "What is the common size for a swap partition under a Linux system?"
18:22 < rpifan> 512?
18:22 <@killdash9> correct. 512bytes
18:23 < rpifan> i mean 512 characters
18:23 <@killdash9> close enough
18:24 < rpifan> well
18:24 < bomb> heh
18:24 < rpifan> i guess now its based on ram isnt it
18:24 <@killdash9> no. And hasn't been for at least a decade
18:24 < rpifan> well im old enugh to remember when we didnt have the internet on everythng
18:25  * rpifan makes excuses
18:37 <@killdash9> s/on everything//
18:39 < gnupluslinux> Is it... not based on ram now?
18:39 < gnupluslinux> Thought we was doing 1:1 ram:swap
18:40 < gnupluslinux> Also i recall playing guild wars on 512 mb ram. Could run all of one thing at once at any given time too
18:41 <@killdash9> gnupluslinux: I've got servers with TBs of ram. What do you think happens to a server with a TB of swap actually using a significant portion of it?
18:41 < gnupluslinux> Fun things
18:41 <@killdash9> very slow fun things
18:42 < gnupluslinux> But still fun
18:43 < gnupluslinux> For large use cases on spinning disk it wouldnt make sense sure, i was thinking smaller since most of mine run off of like 16 where its not so bad
18:44  * gnupluslinux now wonders what itd be like doing a 1:1 off a huge nvme set up
20:30 <@JollyRgrs> gnupluslinux: do you realize what the whole point of swap is?
20:31 <@JollyRgrs> SWAP is like overflow... in case you run out of RAM
20:31 <@JollyRgrs> it shouldn't be "use this for secondary RAM"
20:31 <@JollyRgrs> and with the size of RAM we can shove into servers these days... if you are using any swap at all... something is wrong
20:31 < bomb> why does it have to be any correlation between RAM size and SWAP size?
20:32 < rhqq> it doesnt
20:32 < rhqq> who said it should
20:32 <@JollyRgrs> it's that OLD and horrible practice that pagefile should be 2x RAM for windows
20:33 <@JollyRgrs> that also makes ZERO SENSE
20:33 < rhqq> JollyRgrs: its because of MM in windows workind slightly differently to linux
20:33 <@JollyRgrs> slightly?
20:33 < rhqq> ok
20:33 < rhqq> ;p
20:33 < DLSteve> lol, Id have net to no disk space if I had a pagefile that big.
20:33 < rhqq> thing is MM in windows needs to be able to map ram 1:1 to swap
20:33 < SpookyCrisp> JollyRgrs, Are you saying people don't have 1TB of RAM in their virtualization hosts?
20:33 < bomb> DLSteve: so your PC have 128 gigs of ram?
20:33 <@JollyRgrs> DLSteve: there's ppl working in my org right now, that STILL want to do that for pagefile size
20:34 <@JollyRgrs> i'm pretty sure even in India, he saw my "WTF?!" face looking at him
20:34 < DLSteve> bomb, no my server has like 20GB of diskspace.
20:34 <@JollyRgrs> SpookyCrisp: not 1 TB of pagefile.sys
20:34  * bomb calculates
20:34 < rhqq> 1tb pagefile
20:34 < rhqq> xDD
20:34 < rhqq> xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
20:35 < rhqq> xÐ
20:36 < coderphive> JollyRgrs, not 100% true
20:36 <@JollyRgrs> so you're saying he didn't see my WTF face in india?
20:37 < coderphive> swap is used for datascience servers
20:37 < coderphive> like pandas where you pull in ridiculous datasets
20:37 <@JollyRgrs> special case need not apply here son
20:37 < rhqq> swap is in most cases used to cover your ass and protect from OOM
20:37 <@JollyRgrs> i'm not talking about CERN processinig PB of data
20:37 < coderphive> haha, as I said "not 100% true"
20:37 < coderphive> 99.99% true xD
20:37 < rhqq> and it shouldnt be used in most cases for anything else ;p
20:38 <@JollyRgrs> swap/pagefile were a poorman's way of having more RAM
20:38 <@JollyRgrs> back when that meant "i don't have to close program X in the background to do this other thing"
20:39 <@JollyRgrs> or "i can now keep 3 excel files open", but switching to the old one might take some time
20:39 < rhqq> yeah
20:39 < rhqq> these times were so much simpler though...
20:39 < coderphive> Speak for yourself
20:39 < coderphive> Installing linux required sacrificing goats back then
20:40 < rhqq> you wouldnt be here if you didnt had such opportunity to understand internals
20:40 < rhqq> s/had/have
20:40 <+layer-eight> [SED rhqq] you wouldnt be here if you didnt have such opportunity to understand internals
20:40 < coderphive> sure, true
20:40 <@JollyRgrs> that's how i got good at computers
20:40 < rhqq> yeah
20:41 <@JollyRgrs> win3.1, playing mech warrior 2 demo required editing some system files, lol
20:41 < coderphive> first of all
20:41 < coderphive> that was the only good version of mech warrior
20:41 <@JollyRgrs> ^^
20:41 <@JollyRgrs> i'm sad every time i look at other versions coming out and hope it is like mw2... and it is not
20:41 < coderphive> the mech warrior mmo is so stupid
20:42 < coderphive> I was legit disappointed
20:43 < coderphive> one thing I don't see people setup more is tempfs, which is actually really valuable
20:43 < rhqq> yeah
20:43 < rhqq> true
20:44 < rhqq> i use that a lot
20:44 < coderphive> i'm going to go back to being sick now
20:44 < coderphive> pz
20:44 < rhqq> get well
20:54 < catbeard> coderphive: tmpfs for mysql tmpdir
20:54 < catbeard> fer sher
20:55 < catbeard> 768G RAM so why not lel
20:56 < rpifan> so whts the linux swap partition size
20:56 < TheTinker86> just got my reolink cameras and my ubnt nvr today
20:58 < rpifan> c an someone explain to me why people who are extremly overweight think thye are not overweight
20:58 < rpifan> guy is 5'9 im only 199 lbs he says
20:58 < rpifan> the fuck
21:00 < XV8> rpifan denial
21:01 < bomb> he's only 199??
21:01 < rhqq> lol
21:01 < rhqq> im 5'11 and 199 and i should drop to like 175
21:02 < rpifan> at 5'9 over weight starts at 160
21:02 < rpifan> i know cause im right at that limit
21:02 < coderphive> rpifan, is he an american?
21:02 < bomb> erryone in this channel are way above 300 pounds
21:02 <+A-KO> so I totally did 23andme
21:02 < rpifan> latino- american
21:02 <+A-KO> the genes are strong with this one
21:03 < coderphive> I used to be really fat. 245 lbs-ish; probably more. People who are slightly obese are in denial that it's a bad thing.
21:03 < coderphive> You really only notice being fat when you're really fat
21:03 < bomb> americans really love consuming sugar and fat, as if they're going through an ice age
21:04 < coderphive> In reality anyone that's 5'9'' shouldn't weigh more than like 170-175 lbs
21:04 < Hunterkll> my new alarm clock
21:04 < Hunterkll> https://i.imgur.com/zgeaIaF.png
21:04 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  IMAGE/PNG Document, 720,257 bytes
21:04 < rhqq> coderphive: yeah
21:04 < rhqq> Hunterkll: are you into some cheesy 50-60s style shit?
21:04 < Hunterkll> dude it was $30
21:04 < coderphive> but yeah, being fat is a continual denial process
21:04 < Hunterkll> the vacuum tubes were all replaced in 1988
21:05 < Hunterkll> i'm the 3rd owner, ever.
21:05 < coderphive> hah
21:05 < Hunterkll> it was purchased new in 1958, transferred in 1988, and now i have it
21:05 < Hunterkll> well, technically 4th but the 3rd was a vendor who bought it at an estate sale so does that really count?
21:05 < coderphive> wtf did you find such a thing
21:05 < rhqq> my dad used to just trash such shit when he had electronics repair shop :P
21:05 < Hunterkll> the paper on top under it is the repair log
21:05 < Hunterkll> it has the names and locations of the owners, and the voltage measurements of all the tubes, repairs done, etc
21:05 < Hunterkll> all nicely typed up
21:06 < rhqq> i was playing with vacuum tubes as a kid
21:06 < Hunterkll> rhqq, I also have a fallout mini nuke so
21:06 < coderphive> for an alarm clock?
21:06 < Hunterkll> coderphive, yea
21:06 < coderphive> that's so odd
21:06 < coderphive> is this what people did with their time before Go and python existed?
21:07 < coderphive> making alarm clock maintenance logs
21:07 < Hunterkll> nah
21:07 < rhqq> yeah
21:07 < coderphive> haha
21:07 < Hunterkll> coderphive, the guy who restored it was into ham radio and shit, and he restored it when it was a 30 year old antique almost
21:07 < coderphive> ooo
21:07 < coderphive> that makes sense
21:07 < coderphive> Well good for you
21:07 < Hunterkll> coderphive, here's the maintence log / restoration paper
21:07 < Hunterkll> https://i.imgur.com/foXKFLQ.jpg
21:07 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  IMAGE/JPEG Document, 1,040,345 bytes
21:08 < Hunterkll> i also got the repair guide
21:08 < Hunterkll> well, board layout, schematic, and parts list anyway
21:09 < rhqq> yeah, because its 40 pcs altogether and sounds like crap
21:09 < rhqq> like most of cheap vacuum radios form that time
21:09 < coderphive> do you know how long it took him to line that table up
21:10 < Hunterkll> rhqq, actually, this was on the high end of late 50s radios for quality from westinghouse
21:10 < Hunterkll> i just tried it actually
21:10 < Hunterkll> sounds great
21:10 < rhqq> also, fun fact, it takes time for lamps to warm up
21:10 < Hunterkll> i should get a spare tube set
21:10 < rhqq> so you need to set your alarm clock 5 minutes earllier
21:10 < rhqq> xD
21:10 < Hunterkll> rhqq, I have multiple vacuum tube transcievers here
21:10 < Hunterkll> :P
21:10 < rhqq> in order for it to play at right time
21:10 < Hunterkll> nah
21:10 < Hunterkll> inside it took about 30 seconds
21:10 < Hunterkll> or less
21:10 < rhqq> i know, im teasing
21:10 < rhqq> ;p
21:11 < Hunterkll> to start producing audio
21:11 < Hunterkll> lol
21:11 < rhqq> geez, why are you all so serious
21:11 < Hunterkll> here's the fallout nuke i'm gonna put next to it :P https://i.imgur.com/BGdXwNG.jpg
21:11 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  IMAGE/JPEG Document, 1,135,840 bytes
21:11 < rhqq> still, we've trashed so many of these with my dad when closing his shop last year
21:11 < coderphive> first of all
21:11 < coderphive> why is your room piss yellow
21:11 < rhqq> ^^
21:11 < Hunterkll> it's lime green
21:11 < Hunterkll> lol
21:11 < Hunterkll> er
21:11 < Hunterkll> light green
21:12 < rhqq> piss yelow
21:12 < rhqq> :D
21:12 < Hunterkll> shit lighting
21:12 < Hunterkll> lol
21:12 < coderphive> piss yellow
21:12 < coderphive> that is cool though
21:12 < Hunterkll> yea
21:12 < Hunterkll> i might do a whole fallout themed thing
21:12 < Hunterkll> sigh
21:12 < rhqq> oh, that motherboard
21:12 < coderphive> single 4 life
21:12 < Hunterkll> another thing to occupy my time doing useless shit
21:12 < rhqq> looks like gigabyte for 775
21:12 < Hunterkll> what motherboard?
21:12 < Hunterkll> oh
21:12 < Hunterkll> core 2 duo board
21:12 < Hunterkll> yea
21:12 < coderphive> that's okay Hunterkll you can be single with me
21:13 < Hunterkll> rhqq, GA-EP35-DS3R
21:13 < rhqq> yea
21:13 < Hunterkll> that robot kit actually has the contents of 3 of those ultimate kits shoved into it
21:14 < Hunterkll> lol
21:14 < Hunterkll> <3 radioshack bankruptcy
21:14 < Hunterkll> the rover on top was another kit
21:14 < Hunterkll> i have lots of robot bits
21:14 < Hunterkll> so many robot bits
21:14 < rhqq> are you into robots?
21:14 < Hunterkll> i was into radioshack bankruptcy
21:14 < Hunterkll> <3
21:14 < Hunterkll> I have radioshack parts drawers under my desk
21:14 < Hunterkll> llol
21:14 < rhqq> you touch robots
21:14 < rhqq> yo filthy perv
21:15 < catbeard> technically they filed for liquidation bankruptcy
21:15 < catbeard> diff chapter iirc
21:16 < Hunterkll> i never said what type?
21:16 < Hunterkll> lol
21:16 < catbeard> was nice because everything in the store, even the shelves were for sale, everything else was like 60% off
21:16 < Hunterkll> pffff
21:16 < Hunterkll> i've got bags of componetns they were just like
21:16 < Hunterkll> "uh $5"
21:16 < Hunterkll> we bought out a huge chunk of stock from about ~18 stores
21:16 < Hunterkll> i'm still swimming in hardware, parts drawer cabinets, etc
21:18 < Hunterkll> jesus christ
21:18 < Hunterkll> that was 3 years ago
21:18 < Hunterkll> and i'm still drowning in it
21:18 < Hunterkll> https://i.imgur.com/iSZlYDH.jpg <--- 3 year old picture of desk
21:18 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  IMAGE/JPEG Document, 2,440,813 bytes
21:18 < Hunterkll> layout hasn't changed much
21:19 < rhqq> Hunterkll:
21:19 < rhqq> you're that youtuber that drank entire tabasco sauce
21:19 < rhqq> ;p
21:19 < Hunterkll> Oh! I picked up a modem for my atari too
21:19 < Hunterkll> XM301 for $25
21:19 < Hunterkll> rhqq, nah, because i can down an entire bottle of tabasco without batting an eye
21:20 < rhqq> ew
21:20 < rhqq> disguisting
21:20 < Hunterkll> speaking of hot things, here's a 3 year old picture of a mcdouble with fresh either carolina reaper or ghost chili on it - https://i.imgur.com/hWdudum.jpg
21:20 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  IMAGE/JPEG Document, 619,152 bytes
21:20 < Hunterkll> that's my kinda hot
21:21 < Hunterkll> rhqq, https://i.imgur.com/ebzW8ii.jpg - simmering carolina reapers making hot sauce <3
21:21 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  IMAGE/JPEG Document, 916,073 bytes
21:21 < Hunterkll> https://i.imgur.com/ebzW8ii.jpg
21:21 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  IMAGE/JPEG Document, 916,073 bytes
21:21 < Hunterkll> the pepper crop
21:21 < Hunterkll> last year was a good growing season
21:21 < Hunterkll> i still have like 70+ pods frozen
21:21 < Hunterkll> plus what i dried out plus 4 2.5oz bottles of reaper sauce
21:24 < Hunterkll> coderphive, https://imgur.com/a/a8EIyzF heres the repair documents
21:24 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  Private Imgur Album
21:25 < Hunterkll> ... why's it say private. i posted it as public. >_<
21:38 <@JollyRgrs> gilligan's island is still great
21:38 <@JollyRgrs> can't believe it did so bad when the show was running
21:38 < Hunterkll> JollyRgrs, yea, but it's not as great as my new drink cooler https://i.imgur.com/N6iYiM9.jpg
21:38 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  IMAGE/JPEG Document, 1,439,083 bytes
21:38 < Hunterkll> which, hilariously, is holding unmixed film developing chemicals inside it right now
21:38 < Hunterkll> :D
21:39 <@JollyRgrs> be careful Hunterkll... once you open it up, you'll ruin it
21:39 < Hunterkll> all the beer expires? :o
21:39 < Hunterkll> .... oh fuck
21:39 < Hunterkll> JollyRgrs, DUDE
21:39 < Hunterkll> PARTY IDEA
21:39 < Hunterkll> Light sensitive color changing drinks
21:39 < Hunterkll> ZOMGH
21:40 < Hunterkll> might just have to settle for blacklight drinks
21:40 < Hunterkll> but still
21:42 < coderphive> been thinking about selling all my office furniture and getting a standing desk with some minimal office stuff
21:42 < coderphive> what do you guys think
21:42 < wkd> been using a standing desk for a couple months, love it
21:42 < coderphive> which?
21:42 < wkd> sec
21:42 < Hunterkll> get a chair too
21:42 < Hunterkll> lol
21:42 < Hunterkll> just in case
21:42 < Hunterkll> adjustable heigh
21:43 < Hunterkll> for when you get tired of standing so much
21:43 < Hunterkll> :D
21:43 <@JollyRgrs> lol
21:43 < wkd> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B073K1JSW7/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
21:43 < coderphive> that's pretty slick
21:43 < coderphive> I looked at this company called uplift
21:44 < coderphive> mainly because they have whiteboard surfaces
21:44 < coderphive> did you just drill into the surface?
21:45 < wkd> yeha I saw those when I was looking. I think you can get a half and half top. Half whiteboard half wood .. pretty interesting
21:45 < wkd> the desk is just the legs and motor. I had to get a top, which had holes already for a couple different size desks.
21:46 < coderphive> oh really
21:46 < coderphive> wow
21:46 < coderphive> I didn't know thing were that uniform
21:46 < coderphive> I guess desk mounting is like VISA?
21:46 < wkd> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06ZYR5M4S/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
21:46 < wkd> thats the top
21:47 < coderphive> wow
21:47 < coderphive> that's sick
21:48 < wkd> yeah, i'm very happy with the setup.
21:48 < coderphive> wow vivo has a full product suite
21:48 < coderphive> I've never heard of these guys
21:49 < wkd> motor is strong, no stress pushing up the top with 4 monitors 2 laptops, and all the other random shit on our desks.
21:49 < wkd> yes, Been using their monitor arms for awhile.
21:49 < coderphive> and one of their electronic ones goes out to 90"
21:49 < coderphive> dude, thanks
21:49 < coderphive> Exactly what I was looking for
21:50 < kevin-oculus> people iam thinking making a prescrition app for elderly people to increase their food apetite is this something or wasted time ? or it will pay off in the end
21:50 < wkd> how do you increase appetite with an app?
21:51 < coderphive> that needs to be a wearable. my parents forget their phones everywhere.
21:54 < kevin-oculus> Older people who have trouble getting enough nutrition
22:05 < catbeard> wkd: make an app that reminds people to smoke weed
22:05 < catbeard> fixt
22:07 < Hunterkll> lol
22:08 < kevin-oculus> :) or drink
22:09 < kevin-oculus> vodka
22:20 <@JollyRgrs> kevin-oculus: like throwing images of bacon on their smartwatch that they don't know how to swipe away?
22:20 <@JollyRgrs> i understand the need... remember if they are old and don't have much of an appetite, ask yourself what tech they'd actually be using (or how to get them to use the app)
22:21 < kevin-oculus> :))
22:23 < MillerBoss> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17221527 :(
22:23 <+layer-eight> * MillerBoss →  Microsoft Is Said to Have Agreed to Acquire GitHub | Hacker News
22:26  * DLSteve VSTS team flees in terror.
22:27 < MillerBoss> Get ready for Microsoft accounts for GitHub. :P
22:28 <+A-KO> TFS is now GitHub for Business
22:29 <+A-KO> GitHub is now Git365
22:29 < DLSteve> lol
22:30 <+A-KO> better yet, Github stays as Github, but becomes GitHub365. TFS gets renamed to GitHub for Business. And then it leaves you wondering why the fuck they decided to use the same name for two entirely different fucking products
22:31 <+A-KO> fucking marketing team at MS needs to be fucking slapped for that
22:32 < catbeard> GitPoint
22:32 <+A-KO> WE'RE GOING TO REBRAND LYNC AS SKYPE FOR BUSINESS AND THEN COMPLETELY RUIN THE SKYPE BRAND.
22:32 < catbeard> need i say more
22:32 < DLSteve> I honestly think they will just do what they did with LinkedIn and kinda leave it as a stand alone service but maybe add some integrations with some MS stuff.
22:32 <+A-KO> DLSteve: yeah I'm mostly joking these days :P they learned their lesson
22:33 <+A-KO> holy fuck that escalated quickly
22:33 <+A-KO> they actually did go through with it
22:34 < DLSteve> I'm okay with it, we are fully on the Azure bandwagon and more integration with github and OSS the better.
22:34 < MillerBoss> Same with Lynda.com purchased by Linkedin. I was mostly joking too. I think they will keep it alone but again why buy it? There is some motive.
22:35 < Hunterkll> oh for fucks sake
22:35 < Hunterkll> if i see GitHub for Business i'm going to go shoot someone
22:35 < Hunterkll> maybe myself
22:35 < Hunterkll> but still
22:35 <+A-KO> lolol
22:35 < L3gacy> A-KO!
22:36 < coderphive> LinkedIn is fucked
22:36 < Hunterkll> A-KO, YOU KNOW I could see it folding into OFfice 365
22:36 < Hunterkll> A-KO, GitHub Online - just like Exchange Online
22:36 < coderphive> I interviewed for an SRE position there
22:36 < coderphive> it'
22:36 < silentfury> like anything, someone will come along and provide a similar service
22:36 < coderphive> it's a wonder things work
22:36 < catbeard> i keep getting offered SRE at Facebook
22:36 < catbeard> VIA LinkedIn
22:36 < silentfury> GitHub is going to lose a majority of its customer-base, some now, some later.
22:36 < coderphive> they don't have SRE
22:36 < L3gacy> Anyone wanna do some web site werk?
22:36 < MillerBoss> Please record it Hunterkll so that we can put your nick on display for eternity
22:36 < catbeard> yes they do
22:36 < coderphive> They have PE catbeard
22:36 < DLSteve> MillerBoss, A to keep it alive, B to keep someone like Amazon from buying it who would fully integrate it with AWS.
22:37 < Hunterkll> silentfury, why would they?
22:37 < coderphive> slightly different
22:37 < L3gacy> Has anyone seen http://hasher.tech ?
22:37 <+layer-eight> * L3gacy →  hasher.tech
22:37 < Hunterkll> silentfury, if anything, microsoft'll roll it's automated build systems from visual studio online into it and gain more traction
22:37 < Hunterkll> github with automated builds?
22:37 < Hunterkll> fuck yea
22:37 < Hunterkll> i'll take 2 please
22:37 <+NinjaStyle> Honestly Microsoft's projects on github are fascinating
22:37 <+NinjaStyle> They're huge
22:37 < DLSteve> Ironically GitLab CI now works with GitHub.
22:37  * L3gacy slides Hunterkill a mahi platter
22:38 < L3gacy> need yumyum sauce?
22:38 < coderphive> tbh if Microsoft makes GitHub all about Azure I'll flip my bits
22:38 < Hunterkll> ugh
22:38 < L3gacy> Trying to learn web coding :(
22:38 < Hunterkll> L3gacy, dude, a 6 piece tuna maki with a large beer was like $34 in iceland
22:38 < Hunterkll> lol
22:38 < Hunterkll> at a middle of the raod type restaraunt in reykjavik
22:38 < Hunterkll> shits expenisve over there
22:38 < Hunterkll> every drink i had at the bar was like $25 when we were bar hopping
22:38 < L3gacy> It's 11 here
22:38 < DLSteve> NinjaStyle, I picked apart their azure cli client. As it's a Python application it's interesting how they did the Windows installer.
22:38 < Hunterkll> $22-25 dependign on bar for a double jack & coke
22:38 < Hunterkll> lol
22:39 < coderphive> catbeard, https://www.facebook.com/careers/jobs/a0I1200000LTZVOEA5/
22:39 <+layer-eight> * coderphive →  Production Engineer | Facebook Careers
22:39 <+NinjaStyle> Yeah Stockholm is expensive too
22:39 < coderphive> If you advertise yourself as an SRE then they'll try to recruit you for that role
22:39 <+A-KO> hey Hunterkll let's go to Tel Aviv
22:39 <+A-KO> lolol
22:40 < Hunterkll> ..... why
22:40 < coderphive> I will never go to the middle east for enjoyment
22:40 < L3gacy> Let's go to Tel Aviv and dress like a palestinian medic?
22:40 < L3gacy> NO
22:40 < coderphive> not racist, just being real
22:40 < L3gacy> Seriously.  That place is fubar
22:40 < coderphive> that place is the wild wild east
22:41 < L3gacy> Installing Atom and nteract now
22:41 <+A-KO> why not? O.o
22:41 <+A-KO> I hear Tel Aviv has one hell of a night life
22:41 <+A-KO> O.o
22:41 < coderphive> Maybe
22:41 < L3gacy> It does
22:41 < L3gacy> Drugs, sex, booze, raves
22:41 < L3gacy> Buddy went on two school trips there
22:41 < L3gacy> got turnt
22:41 < coderphive> idk, I've been in Afghan, so that whole area is sketch to me
22:41 < Hunterkll> A-KO, let's do iceland first
22:41 < Hunterkll> lmao
22:41 < coderphive> Makes you see the worst in the area
22:42 <+A-KO> Afghanistan is eastern Asia man lol
22:42 < MillerBoss> The timing is interesting for sure. WWDC starts tomorrow. https://twitter.com/zkahn/status/1003371389167046656
22:42 <+layer-eight> * MillerBoss →  Zach Kahn on Twitter: "If Microsoft announces this on Monday, they’ll be 2/3 on major acquisitions announced on the first day of Apple’s WWDC  (the other, you’ll recall, was LinkedIn in 2016)… https://t.co/GdriChH9Eb"
22:42 <+A-KO> hahah MillerBoss
22:42 < Hunterkll> lol
22:43 <+A-KO> Hunterkll: After your reports about Iceland I'm not sure I wanna go now, so much $
22:43 <+A-KO> and I might want to do that in summertime now, we'll see
22:43 <+A-KO> gf made me buy a Disney pass
22:43 <+A-KO> that shit's $$$
22:43 <+A-KO> You can imagine which one I got lol
22:43 < L3gacy> I'm working on putting a site together for me.  Want to set up a web presence toput y resume on
22:44 < L3gacy> Without typos, of course
22:44 < Hunterkll> A-KO, #1 - buy liquor in the duty free store, EZ PZ
22:45 < Hunterkll> super cheap there
22:45 < Hunterkll> #2 - buy food at grocery store
22:45 < Hunterkll> EZ PZ
22:45 < Hunterkll> #3 - holy shit reykjavik in new years sounds obscene
22:45 < silentfury> eating out in Iceland is like...
22:45 < silentfury> well
22:45 < Hunterkll> oh
22:45 < Hunterkll> i ate out in iceland alright
22:45 < silentfury> 5 star prices for 1 star food
22:45 < Hunterkll> giggity
22:45 < Hunterkll> A-KO, but yea it's cheap if you do it sanely
22:45 < Hunterkll> lol
22:46 < silentfury> im surprised there's no all-inclusive hotels in iceland
22:46 < Hunterkll> theres only like 11 real hotels in the entire country
22:46 < Hunterkll> lkol
22:46 <+A-KO> meh fuck all inclusives
22:46 < silentfury> some arent bad
22:46 < MillerBoss> https://trollme.xyz/
22:47 < Hunterkll> ya
22:47 <+layer-eight> * MillerBoss →  Trolololololol's Я Us!
22:47 <+A-KO> all-inclusive resorts = "I'm going to spend exhoborants amounts of money to fly to another country to do the exact same thing I can do at home. Oh look, there's an Applebee's here!"
22:47 < Hunterkll> i mean the guest house i stayed in fro a week and a half
22:47 < Hunterkll> was only like 600 euros
22:47 < Hunterkll> for the entire time
22:47 < Hunterkll> and that was for like 9 nights or whatever
22:47 < DLSteve> and 1 Costco.
22:47 < MillerBoss> Did you see the random order?
22:47 <+A-KO> lol DLSteve
22:47 < silentfury> A-KO: the AI i went to in Montego Bay was awesome.
22:47 < silentfury> food was very good
22:48 <+A-KO> I've been evaluating the costs of flying somewhere internationally, I want to. I keep eyeing it. But man shit's pricey. It's like $2000-$3000 to do anything remotely interesting.
22:48 <+A-KO> minimum
22:48 < silentfury> A-KO: how many nights?
22:48 <+A-KO> I dunno, week?
22:48 <+A-KO> I'm trying to get work to send me to France
22:48 < silentfury> lol France
22:48 <+A-KO> then I'll stay an extra week
22:48 <+A-KO> like work a week, stay a week
22:48 < silentfury> France is incredibly expensive.
22:48 <+A-KO> sure but if 1/2 lodging and the flight is covered by work
22:48 <+A-KO> who cares?
22:49 < Hunterkll> A-KO, i dunno, we could go volcaon photographying and and northern lights pretty cheap
22:49 < Hunterkll> in iceland
22:49 < silentfury> I was able to do 5 nights in Jamaica for $1900 canadian per person, and that wasn't a vacation package [which would've been at least $500-600 cheaper]
22:49 < Hunterkll> i mean, once you get to the east coast, it's like $400-500 round trip easy
22:49 < Hunterkll> A-KO, also, once you're in reykjavik, it's like $50-100 one way flights to get onto the continent
22:49 < Hunterkll> so we could literally hop over to england for a day or whatever
22:49 < Hunterkll> or paris
22:50 <+A-KO> Hunterkll: well, keep in mind, I'm now gonna be flying my sister down to SoCal sometime this year lol
22:50 < silentfury> you could easily do 7 ights in jamaica for 1200-1500 usd
22:50 < Hunterkll> A-KO, ya but you got 6 months to figure this out
22:50 < Hunterkll> :P
22:50 < silentfury> anyhow. need to reboot
22:50 < Hunterkll> also round trip to the east coast be like $300 don't even be playin'
22:50 <+A-KO> oh this reminds me
22:50 <+A-KO> gotta pay the google fiber bill
22:50 < Hunterkll> I had to intentionally take a different, slightly more expensive flight, to get over the $300 spend mark
22:50 < Hunterkll> lol
22:53 < Hunterkll> I really need to look at the NJT train schedules for thursday to figure out how the fuck i'm getting to atlatnic city
22:53 < Hunterkll> lol
22:53 < L3gacy> Hunterkll: AC?!  I'm in Vineland
22:54 < coderphive> listen
22:54 < Hunterkll> L3gacy, AnimeNEXT is this coming weekend
22:54 < Hunterkll> i've got a comp'd room @ caesars for it
22:54 < coderphive> You guys should all just come to Dallas and hang out with me
22:54 < L3gacy> I cant do it :(
22:54 < Hunterkll> L3gacy, i'm coming in thursday, leaving sunday
22:54 < L3gacy> Just quit $JOB_FROM_SATANS_ANUS
22:54 < coderphive> Forget all these fancy trips
22:54 < Hunterkll> coderphive, i go through dallas a lot
22:55 < coderphive> hit me up bae
22:55 < Hunterkll> pf
22:55 < coderphive> I live next to Lovefield
22:55 < Hunterkll> oh bby
22:56 < Hunterkll> L3gacy, actually, i get in on the 7th and i leave on the 11th
22:56 < rhqq> L3gacy: whats up with that
22:56 < Hunterkll> L3gacy, oh, and the room is two doubles
22:56 < Hunterkll> :D
22:56 < rhqq> thing of "i request all the scripts"
22:56 < Hunterkll> $0 hotel stay of course
22:56 < Hunterkll> :p
22:57 < Hunterkll> forgot i made it for monday so taht i'd actually be able ot catch a train home
22:57 < Hunterkll> lol
22:57 < L3gacy> rhqq: $EX_BOSS wants all the scripts I wrote OFF the clock, at home.  Claiming they are company property
22:57 < L3gacy> Scripts I wrote for MY OWN USE
22:57 <+A-KO> coderphive: lol
22:57 <+A-KO> I have no reasons to go to Dallas anymore
22:57 <+A-KO> unless I wanna go to Quakecon
22:58 < coderphive> Q-connnn
22:58 < rhqq> L3gacy: i remember
22:58 < rhqq> im asking whether anything changed
22:58 < L3gacy> Now claiming he IS going to sue me for "breach of contract", "theft of clients"
22:58 < L3gacy> No written contracts tho...
22:58 < L3gacy> I already got my lawyer on board
22:59 < Hunterkll> verbal contracts are legally enforcable .... if there were witness to it ./....
22:59 < L3gacy> No contracts at all
23:00 < L3gacy> He even said $CO_WORKER is going on vacay, and I need to come in
23:00 < L3gacy> uh.. I quit..
23:09 <+A-KO> btw Hunterkll: http://www.ghostpeppers.com/index.php < This dude has some legit sauce
23:09 <+layer-eight> * A-KO →  Ghost Pepper Hot Sauce
23:09 < Hunterkll> lol
23:14 < Hunterkll> A-KO, i prefer my own sauce
23:14 < Hunterkll> :P
23:20 <+A-KO> Hunterkll: few rounds of OW?
23:20 < Hunterkll> uh
23:20 < Hunterkll> sure gimme a moment
23:20 < Hunterkll> gonna reheat a slice o pizza right quick n stuff
23:21 <+A-KO> it's fine. I'm stuffing my face with some mac and cheese
23:21 <+A-KO> because I wanted lunch but was too lazy to go anywhere and figured I should eat it
23:21 <+A-KO> after I spent a fuckton of $ at Disney this weekend
23:21 <+A-KO> lolol
23:22 < Hunterkll> lol
23:22 < Hunterkll> oh yea
23:22 <+A-KO> it has honestly been a collosally expensive past 45 days
23:22 < Hunterkll> A-KO, i uh
23:22 < Hunterkll> i'm uh
23:22 <+A-KO> that fucking $500 ticket didn't fucking help
23:22 < Hunterkll> i stopped at microcenter
23:22 < Hunterkll> >_>
23:22 <+A-KO> lol
23:22 < Hunterkll> i only spent $113 okay
23:22 < Hunterkll> it's just
23:22 < Hunterkll> ....
23:23 < Hunterkll> .... part of that purchase was water cooling tubing
23:23 < Hunterkll> :3
23:23 < Hunterkll> it has begun
23:24 <+A-KO> I get paid on Friday at least
23:25 <+NinjaStyle> Send to me
23:25 <+NinjaStyle> When u get it
23:25 <+A-KO> lol
23:25 <+A-KO> Disney Annual Pass is like $1200
23:25 <+A-KO> but if you're the type to go to Disney, it's worth it
23:26 < Hunterkll> lol
23:26 < Hunterkll> damn
23:27 < Hunterkll> alright grabbin a bawls and i'll be ready
23:27 < Hunterkll> yes, part of that $113 was a whole case
23:27 < Hunterkll> :p
23:28 <+A-KO> FUCK I NEED TO BUY SOME OF THAT
23:28 <+A-KO> god damn
23:28 < Hunterkll> lol
23:28 <+A-KO> okay Microcenter trip today I think
23:28 < Hunterkll> LOL
23:28 <+A-KO> I haven't had any in a while
23:28 <+A-KO> sec lemme look when it closes
23:28 < Hunterkll> hahah
23:28 < Hunterkll> hahahahahhaha
23:29 <+A-KO> fuck closes at 6
23:29 <+A-KO> I might be a little too lazy for that
23:29 <+A-KO> or if I leave here at like 4:45-5:00 I can get there
23:29 < Hunterkll> A-KO, https://imgur.com/wYa2gCS
23:29 < Hunterkll> :P
23:29 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  IMGUR Image → Image/png → a few seconds ago → 658x368 → ⚘ 1
23:29 <+A-KO> nice!
23:29 < Hunterkll> yea
23:29 < Hunterkll> went for the RJ45
23:29 <+A-KO> lemme stock up on water
23:29 < Hunterkll> accidentally restarted my bawls and watercooling addiction
23:29 < Hunterkll> >_>
23:30 < Hunterkll> i'm gonna fuckin boot all my cables so they A.) stop breaking and B.) are mildly cisco incompatible
23:30 < Hunterkll> :)
23:33 < coderphive> Why would anyone bother suing a field tech
23:34 < coderphive> oh he left
23:34 < coderphive> You would never make your money back suing a field tech
23:34 < coderphive> probably just a bunch of talk
23:34 < coderphive> kinda sad that companies do that to people
23:50 < MillerBoss> Great guests on This Week In Tech starting in a few minutes. twit.tv/live
23:52 <@cryptic1> evening
23:53 < MillerBoss> Resetting up my main machine. I always enjoy it
23:56 <@cryptic1> i hate doing that
23:56 < MillerBoss> I  love it. :) Find new things etc
23:56 < rhqq> cryptic1: back to work
23:56 < MillerBoss> Always
23:56 <@cryptic1> D:
23:56 < MillerBoss> macOS that is.
23:57 < MrFantastik> I never feel like I get to reset up a machine on my own terms
23:57 < rhqq> my linux laptop has weeks or months worth of uptime sometimes
23:57 < MrFantastik> most of the time its because i broke something so its stressful
23:57 < MillerBoss> Still sucks my MacBook display is broke. :( using external monitors.
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