--- Log opened Thu Jun 07 00:00:39 2018 --- Day changed Thu Jun 07 2018 00:00 < gavit> if I do ssh -A to a host, and I ssh from there, shouldnt the password be remembered? 00:02 < Sousapro> TuxedoJack: that sounds amazing 00:02 < Sousapro> plz accept my application 00:03 <+TuxedoJack> Sousapro: seriously, I don't know how the fuck I'm this zen and calm right now 00:03 <+TuxedoJack> It's weird 00:04 < Sousapro> TuxedoJack: how's $job? 00:04 <+TuxedoJack> For once? I can't complain too much 00:04 < Sousapro> That's why 00:05 < Sousapro> Being in what feels like the right place gives you a sense of peace 00:08 < Hunterkll> https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/8ozs4m/since_im_here_now_can_you_check_my_brakes/ 00:08 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll → Since I'm here now, can you check my brakes? : WTF 00:08 < Hunterkll> this is how tuxedojack's job is like ^ 00:08 < Hunterkll> Sousapro, ^ 00:11 < Sousapro> Hunterkll: the comments on that are pretty funny 00:11 < Sousapro> How did we get to Harry Potter so quickly lol 00:11 < Hunterkll> The ship flies off towards the edge of the system. Sitting in a cell, the man waits to see his captors. Looking at him through a viewscreen, one alien says to the other, "You collected an ample specimen, well done Jim." "Thanks Scott" the other alien replies. They keep looking and take notes about his behavior. A third alien rushes into the room with a fearful look on his face. "You've made a horrible mistake! He 00:11 < Hunterkll> exclaims and hands Jim and Scott a PDA with security footage on it. They watch the footage, growing more and more fearful as the tape continues to play. "Jesus christ," they say in unison, "it's Jason Bourne!" 00:12 < Hunterkll> Sousapro, it's harry potter by the 2nd comment 00:13 < Hunterkll> Sousapro, Hermoine states "I hope you're pleased with yourselves. We could all have been killed - or worse, expelled. Now if you don't mind, I'm going to bed." 00:14 < Hunterkll> in the first book 00:14 < Sousapro> Yeah, could you imagine regular middle school after that 00:14 < Hunterkll> Sousapro, and the 3rd comment is a reference to ron saying that she needs to sort out her priorities 00:14 < Hunterkll> lol 00:15 < Hunterkll> LOL 00:15 < Hunterkll> "Your Uber is here" 00:15 < Hunterkll> "Hey, it's your Uber driver. Am inside" 00:46 < JollyRgrs> Hunterkll: dude! your uber driver is intel? 00:56 <+SpeakerToMeat> Ok, who's around 00:56 <+SpeakerToMeat> JollyRgrs: You'll do 00:57 <+SpeakerToMeat> JollyRgrs: Forgive me, for I have sinned 00:57 <+SpeakerToMeat> JollyRgrs: I'm using mc as a "ncurses ftp client" 01:00 < javi404> Can smeone explain why people sell empty boxes for things like ipads on ebay? 01:00 < javi404> WTF good is a box? 01:03 <+coderphive> to rip other people off 01:03 <+SpeakerToMeat> javi404: Several reasons. A) selling a device, whether it's legal or a stolen one fetches more money if it's in box (even if it's not its original box, serial doesn't match), b) A few fetishists collect boxes wether they have the product or not, and c) it's easier to sell a knockoff in an onriginal box, for a higher price 01:07 < voidstar> is gnucash any good for SMB accounting? 01:07 < Hunterkll> oh dear god 01:07 < Hunterkll> oh dear god 01:07 < Hunterkll> i found an ancient artifact in my gmail 01:07 < Hunterkll> https://i.imgur.com/gWWOC6L.png 01:07 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll → IMAGE/PNG Document, 115,214 bytes 01:10 < javi404> SpeakerToMeat: A and C make sense, B is strange to me but to each their own. Thanks, I only thought of A. 01:10 < javi404> didn't know about B or C 01:16 <+coderphive> Hunterkll, why does it reference your name as "Huge Butthole"? 01:17 < MillerBoss> > why people sell empty boxes 01:17 < MillerBoss> Because people will buy them. Pretty simple. 01:18 <+SpeakerToMeat> MillerBoss: That is the simplest answer, but doing some thinking will show what javi404 means is "why people buy empty boxes" 01:18 < MillerBoss> Yeah. You are right SpeakerToMeat. I have found it helps the resale value of legit devices. 01:19 < MillerBoss> I used to flip devices back in iPhone 4 days 01:19 < javi404> yeah, i figured someone is buying them for some scam originally. 01:19 < MillerBoss> I wouldn't jump right to scam. 01:19 < javi404> MillerBoss: makes sense, but good that wasn't really a scam. 01:19 <+SpeakerToMeat> MillerBoss: And non legit ones too, but yeah, it's the equivalent on doing maintenance on a car or house before selling it, if you waste X in paint you can easily add X+Y to the price 01:19 < MillerBoss> Some Apple devices owners likes to keep everything together and near 01:19 < MillerBoss> neat* 01:19 < javi404> but I just assumed people selling stolen devices would want box 01:20 < MillerBoss> Plus the boxes are one of Apple's signatures. See how other companies started to make boxes like theirs? 01:21 <+SpeakerToMeat> Eh, yeah, but in the case of apple, and I do not like apple right now and wouldn't buy one, but if I wanted an apple phone in good state I'd want not only the box, but specially, the sim pin, and those are rarely found 01:21 <+SpeakerToMeat> But that's me 01:21 < MillerBoss> I need to find am I getting fucked Wednesday FG-200E- BDL-871-36 FortiGate-200E Hardware plus 8x5 FortiCare and FortiGuard Enterprise Bundle $ 6,919.20 01:22 <+SpeakerToMeat> Oh my.... 01:22 <+SpeakerToMeat> "The team at SourceForge would like to extend a big congratulations to everyone at GitHub." 01:22 < MillerBoss> I hear ya SpeakerToMeat. They used to be included in one of the earlier iPhones. Even a doc was too. Either iPhone original or iPhone 3G had a dock in the box 01:23 < MillerBoss> dock* 01:23 < MillerBoss> Who was the resident Forinet guy here 01:23 < MillerBoss> s/Forinet/Fortinet 01:23 <+layer-eight> [SED MillerBoss] Who was the resident Fortinet guy here 01:24 < MillerBoss> Hunterkll: Check your splunk please 01:24 <+SpeakerToMeat> MillerBoss: I'm the resident Fortinet hater, if that helps you 01:24 < MillerBoss> Nope. Looking for a lover not a hater 01:24 < MillerBoss> :D 01:25 <+coderphive> https://johansen.software/github-xp/ 01:25 <+layer-eight> * coderphive → GitHub XP: Home Edition 01:25 <+coderphive> lmao 01:25 < MillerBoss> Yeah I love that coderphive 01:26 <+coderphive> why is that so triggering 01:26 < Hunterkll> MillerBoss, iphones didn't have dock 01:26 < Hunterkll> in box 01:26 < Hunterkll> not even original 01:26 <+coderphive> Hunterkll, you didn't even answer my question 01:26 < Hunterkll> https://assets.catawiki.nl/assets/2017/1/27/d/1/5/d15e7cc8-e4e5-11e6-8e59-187543dd3b61.jpg 01:26 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll → IMAGE/JPEG Document, 41,726 bytes 01:26 < Hunterkll> ^^^ original iphone layout/box 01:27 < Hunterkll> coderphive, but it doesn't 01:27 < Hunterkll> so 01:27 < Hunterkll> lol 01:28 < xe0n> morn 01:28 <+coderphive> it clearly does 01:31 < Hunterkll> LOL 01:31 < Hunterkll> coderphive, i just bought malware.bargains 01:31 < Hunterkll> and malware.sale 01:31 <+coderphive> lmao 01:31 < Hunterkll> malware.actor / malware.fund also 01:31 < Hunterkll> NinjaStyle, want some of my malware.bargains? :D 01:31 <+coderphive> you're on a list now 01:32 < Hunterkll> LOL 01:32 < Hunterkll> penis.club is available for 60 easy payments of $91.13 01:33 <+NinjaStyle> Lol 01:33 < Hunterkll> how the fuck is penis.name available 01:33 < Hunterkll> I 01:33 < Hunterkll> I don't 01:33 < Hunterkll> what 01:34 < Hunterkll> what the fuck 01:34 < MillerBoss> Hunterkll: https://youtu.be/yy40nW93n5o?t=137 original iPhone had a dock 01:34 <+layer-eight> * MillerBoss → ⚓ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yy40nW93n5o&feature=youtu.be&t=137 → YouTube → 8GB Apple iPhone - Unboxing → ⚘ 329,576 ↑ 2,694 ↓ 134 ✍ 1,795 01:34 < Hunterkll> MillerBoss, mine didn't and I bought an original iphone when it came out 01:34 < MillerBoss> Mine did son 01:34 < Hunterkll> maybe 01:34 < Hunterkll> there were two models 01:34 < Hunterkll> or something 01:34 < MillerBoss> I also recall they first came out at $600 01:34 < MillerBoss> Then Apple let off $200 and brought it down to $400 01:35 < MillerBoss> Not trying to prove who is right or wrong but I was sure my brain is remembering right :) 01:35 < MillerBoss> Because I recall trying t dermal that thing to fit newer iPhones 01:36 < Hunterkll> for fucks sake 01:36 * Hunterkll sighs 01:36 * Hunterkll unzips.... wallet 01:36 < Hunterkll> coderphive, penis.games is mine now 01:36 < Hunterkll> :/ 01:37 < Hunterkll> penis.games / penis.auction / penis.agency / penis.bargains / penis.center / penis.claims 01:38 < MillerBoss> What for Hunterkll? 01:38 < Hunterkll> i dont fucking know 01:38 < Hunterkll> penis.claims isj ust going to call cryptic1 a liar though 01:38 < JollyRgrs> penis claims 01:38 < JollyRgrs> "yes, i lost my penis and was wondering if anyone returned it to penis claims" 01:38 <+coderphive> Man Seeking Woman has an episode for that JollyRgrs 01:38 < MillerBoss> Make a decent website Hunterkll then post to https://flippa.com 01:38 <+layer-eight> * MillerBoss → Flippa #1 for Buying and Selling Online Businesses | Flippa.com 01:39 < cryptic1> wtf have i returned to? 01:39 <+coderphive> well, chaos 01:39 < MillerBoss> Hunterkll: do you still have a job? You are spending an awful lot of time on these domains. 01:39 < Hunterkll> cryptic1, penis games 01:39 <+coderphive> Don't forget penis.agency 01:39 < cryptic1> why are you wasting so much money on domains? 01:39 < Hunterkll> reasons 01:40 <+coderphive> "Why are you wasting so much time on _____" 01:40 <+coderphive> time=monies 01:41 <+coderphive> you do the math 01:48 < enix> Holy shit 01:48 < enix> .host domains are $100/year :\ 01:50 < enix> hello_kitty: morning! How's your ansible adventures going? 01:50 < hello_kitty> better :D -vvv and -vvvvv have gotten me through what was previously very obscure 01:51 < enix> haha yeah i remember when I was first tough vvv 01:51 < enix> taught* 01:51 < enix> fuck... this morning coffee must be weak.. or the milk off 01:52 < hello_kitty> i'm now at the point where i have ssh keys for access, deploy keys for checking out the code.. and i'm on to deploying nginx configurations and deploying an upstart (if that is what it is called) service for the node applications that run on these 01:53 < hello_kitty> and im wondering.. are both these covered by using copy? or is there a more ansible-y way to do this 01:54 < Tecuane> enix: try domainhacking my nick 01:54 < enix> To create a systemd config for running `systemd start x`? 01:55 < Tecuane> $700/yr :( 01:55 < enix> jesus 01:55 < hello_kitty> enix: yeah. my previous DIY method was to ssh copy a file 01:55 < MikeSpears> https://www.cnet.com/news/intel-is-giving-away-8000-retro-inspired-core-i7-8086-chips/ 01:55 <+layer-eight> * MikeSpears → Intel is giving away 8,000 retro-inspired Core i7-8086 chips - CNET 01:55 < hello_kitty> which was also what i did for nginx sites-enabled 01:55 < enix> hm 01:56 < enix> hello_kitty: I have tried to do nginx 'sites-enabled' config before, as well as named, via a puppety way and it fucking sucks 01:56 < enix> hello_kitty: I ended up with a giant yaml file which absolutely did NOT work 01:56 < enix> lol 01:56 < Tecuane> ill be honest 01:56 < Tecuane> unless you need nginx's raw speed 01:56 < Tecuane> throw it away 01:56 < Tecuane> use caddy or traefik 01:56 < enix> hello_kitty: it was like 100+ lines of just domains, and trying to do related/subdomains... it was terrible. 01:56 < Tecuane> caddy is like 2 lines of config 01:56 < enix> Tecuane: calm down there lol 01:56 < hello_kitty> well i wasnt going to do the thing with the ansible variables that get replaced inside of the nginx config, i was just going to have an nginx config as aplain file 01:56 < enix> nginx/apache are industry standards 01:57 < Tecuane> so are ibm mainframes 01:57 < Tecuane> so is java on spring mvc 01:57 < enix> Point taken 01:57 < Tecuane> doesn't mean it fits the usecase of people who are just experimenting 01:57 < hello_kitty> although now that i think about it my service files might need the ansible variable replacement stuff... 01:57 < Tecuane> caddy is easy as absolute hell 01:57 < Tecuane> and it's honestly really good at the benchmark game anyway, and supports some stuff out of the box that nginx doesn't (automatic let's encrypt certs, anyone?) 01:57 < enix> hello_kitty: why would it 01:57 < enix> brb 01:57 < Hunterkll> Tecuane, the reasons to use things like nginx are that they're far more battle hardened and reviewed, far more available knowledge for help with problems, etc. 01:57 < Tecuane> lmao 01:58 < hello_kitty> i'm pretty reliant on nginx for this particular product... cause i have like 20+ node apps that run on the same machine and listen on the same port :x 01:58 < Hunterkll> from a security perspective, using nginx/apache is smarter 01:58 < Hunterkll> Tecuane, I mean, if you need *RAW* speed, IIS on windows beats the fuck out of nginx for caching speed 01:58 < Tecuane> good opinion 01:58 < Tecuane> but 01:58 < Tecuane> that's all it is 01:58 < Hunterkll> JollyRgrs, cryptic1 we got a live one here :D 01:59 < Tecuane> "better call my friends because three people with opinions is better than one" 01:59 < Tecuane> like i said before 01:59 < Tecuane> what is industry standard doesn't matter in this case 01:59 < Hunterkll> Nah, we're not talking about opinions 01:59 < Hunterkll> we're just talking about your attitude 01:59 < Hunterkll> :D 01:59 < Tecuane> well, you are 01:59 < Tecuane> calling your opinions opinions shouldn't upset you but w/e it's 2018 01:59 < MikeSpears> Tecuane: things become industry standard for a reason 02:00 < Tecuane> how is that relevant lmao 02:00 < Hunterkll> Who cares about industry standard? 02:00 < Hunterkll> I care about relevant security practices and support 02:00 < MikeSpears> true 02:00 < Tecuane> thank you for your contribution 02:00 < MikeSpears> its like apache used to be THE web server 02:00 < Tecuane> it still is 02:00 < Hunterkll> I care about fostering an environment without elitest assholes but hey 02:00 < MikeSpears> then nginx rekt it 02:00 < Hunterkll> can't do everything 02:00 < Hunterkll> nah 02:00 < Hunterkll> nginx didn't 02:00 < Hunterkll> nginx can't compete on feature set 02:00 < cryptic1> ? 02:00 < Tecuane> apache is still #1 02:00 < Tecuane> easy 02:01 < MikeSpears> eh true. apache sux tho 02:01 < Hunterkll> nginx can compete in some segments on speed of CGI style stuff, PHP, etc 02:01 < Tecuane> not in speed/russianness/etc 02:01 < Hunterkll> but IIS destroys nginx in performance 02:01 < Tecuane> http.sys 02:01 < Hunterkll> but ya need windows to run IIS :) 02:01 < MikeSpears> IIS has become pretty fucking awesome 02:01 < Tecuane> when you put it there it's always gonna win 02:01 < Tecuane> that's just cheating tbh 02:01 < MikeSpears> Hunterkll: nothing wrong with windows 02:01 < Tecuane> licensing fees :( 02:01 < DLSteve> Hunterkll, Still rather use NGINX. 02:01 < Hunterkll> MikeSpears, think about who you're trying to defend windows to..... 02:01 < MikeSpears> true 02:01 < MikeSpears> hahahahh 02:02 < Hunterkll> what timeline is this 02:02 < MikeSpears> OFFICE 365 FTW 02:02 < Hunterkll> Tecuane, honestly, in most environments I have to deal with, Windows is cheaper than Linux based on the requirements I have to satisfy 02:02 < MikeSpears> lol 02:02 < Tecuane> o365 is good 02:02 < DLSteve> I'm not a huge fan of Windows server. Not that it's bad I just find Linux easer to manage. 02:02 < Hunterkll> Tecuane, because my options are Oracle Unbreakable Linux or Redhat Enterprise Linux 02:02 < Tecuane> Hunterkll: personnel requirements? 02:02 < Tecuane> ah yea 02:02 < Tecuane> also AD 02:02 < Tecuane> is top tier 02:02 < Hunterkll> AD is fine 02:02 < MikeSpears> HORACLE 02:02 < Tecuane> i love AD 02:02 < Tecuane> unironically speaking 02:02 < MikeSpears> AD is awesome 02:02 < Hunterkll> I've seen a few linux only shops that run two windows servers for AD 02:03 < Tecuane> yeah not surprising 02:03 < Tecuane> i would too 02:03 < MikeSpears> fuck openldap lol 02:03 < Hunterkll> I've seen very few run no-name webserver projects that have unknown vulnerability profiles houwever 02:03 < Hunterkll> ;) 02:03 < Tecuane> i didnt just pull the names out of a hat tbh 02:03 < Hunterkll> to be honest, when i've needed red hat support they've been top notch 02:03 < MikeSpears> yup 02:03 < MikeSpears> red hat has good support 02:03 < Tecuane> yea 02:03 < Hunterkll> i've had kernel engineers speaking to me - patches within hours, etc 02:03 < Tecuane> $$ though 02:04 < Hunterkll> nah 02:04 < DLSteve> Well when ADs competition is this https://www.freeipa.org/page/Main_Page it's easy to see why AD wins out lol. 02:04 < Hunterkll> it's included in your subscription 02:04 <+layer-eight> * DLSteve → FreeIPA 02:04 < Tecuane> yeah i mean the sub price 02:04 < Hunterkll> DLSteve, FreeIPA isn't what i'd call AD competition 02:04 < MikeSpears> DLSteve: https://www.openldap.org/ this too 02:04 < Tecuane> actually i don't even know what the sub price for rhel is anymore 02:04 <+layer-eight> * MikeSpears → OpenLDAP, Main Page 02:04 < Tecuane> i can't imagine it's as bad as oracle 02:04 < DLSteve> Hunterkll, thats my point 02:04 < Hunterkll> Tecuane, it's not bad, but since it's the same price annually instead of microsoft's license + SA model 02:04 < Tecuane> but someone has to pay those engineers to complain about canonical 02:05 < Tecuane> have you seen any shops using ubuntu w/ the enterprise subscription yet? :^) 02:05 < Hunterkll> DLSteve, no, i mean, red hat's CAS and identity management stuff is the AD competition 02:05 < Hunterkll> not freeipa 02:05 < Hunterkll> DLSteve, https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/6/html/identity_management_guide/introduction 02:05 < Hunterkll> this 02:05 < DLSteve> Ah gotcha. 02:05 < Hunterkll> not that 02:05 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll → Chapter 1. Introduction to Identity Management - Red Hat Customer Portal 02:05 < Tecuane> "chapter 1" 02:05 < Hunterkll> Identity Management provides a unifying skin for standards-defined, common network services, including PAM, LDAP, Kerberos, DNS, NTP, and certificate services, and it allows Red Hat Enterprise Linux systems to serve as the domain controllers. 02:05 < Tecuane> huh 02:05 < Hunterkll> Tecuane, compared to AD's documentation, this is stupidly simple 02:06 < Hunterkll> (protip: 99% of people get AD wrong and have never read the documentation.) 02:06 < Tecuane> yea 02:06 < Tecuane> AD's documentation is 02:06 < Hunterkll> So many common mistakes like just time configuration 02:06 < Tecuane> peak microsoft 02:06 < Hunterkll> AD's documentation is top notch 02:06 < Hunterkll> it's amazingly detailed, and easy to use 02:06 < Hunterkll> it's just /so much/ because of what AD is 02:06 < Tecuane> i've seen very interesting misuses of AD 02:06 < Hunterkll> and then there's historical knowledge you need to deal with how things are designed too 02:06 < Tecuane> and i couldn't tell if it's because they knew it so well that they could bend it to their will 02:06 < Hunterkll> like that Authenticated Users (READ) permission 02:06 < Tecuane> or if they had no idea what they were doing 02:07 < Hunterkll> when GPMC first came out microsoft said DON'T FUCK WITH THAT PERMISSION 02:07 < Hunterkll> so of course people did 02:07 < Hunterkll> then a decade later they have to change how it functions 02:07 < Tecuane> lol 02:07 < Hunterkll> and people are like OMG MY GROUP POLICY IS BROKEN 02:07 < xe0n> docu is pretty good 02:07 < Hunterkll> and we're just sittin back like "hahahahahaha " 02:07 < DLSteve> I find ADUC is a disservice to most admins as it hides the underlying directory structure. After working with pure LDAP for a while I have a much better grasp of the directory side of AD. 02:07 < Tecuane> "Identity Management contains an internal 389 Directory Server instance." 02:07 < Hunterkll> haha 02:07 < Tecuane> did they seriously name the project after the tcp port? 02:08 < Hunterkll> DLSteve, the directory is such a small component of AD though 02:08 < MikeSpears> DLSteve: I turn on the advanced features when I use ADUC heh 02:08 < Hunterkll> http://directory.fedoraproject.org/ 02:08 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll → 389 Directory Server - Main Page 02:08 < Hunterkll> Tecuane, ^ 02:08 < MikeSpears> also have had to do shit in ADSI edit :| 02:08 < DLSteve> Hunterkll, sure but as I work in identity it's the part I care about :P 02:08 < Hunterkll> loil 02:08 < Tecuane> wew it actually is named after the port it uses 02:09 < Hunterkll> Tecuane, their IRC channel is #389 02:09 < Hunterkll> lol 02:09 < MikeSpears> I was so mad today... I couldn't remember the port for LDAP 02:09 < Tecuane> i stay out of most of the software channels tbh 02:09 < Tecuane> esp. linux distro ones 02:09 < Hunterkll> Tecuane, apparently it used to be called Fedora directory server 02:09 < Hunterkll> but they moved it into production usage 02:09 < cryptic1> MikeSpears, 21 02:09 < MikeSpears> no 02:09 < cryptic1> come on MikeSpears 02:09 < Hunterkll> so they couldn't call it Fedora Directory Server in RHEL 02:09 < MikeSpears> thats ftp 02:09 * cryptic1 smirks 02:09 < Hunterkll> and well 02:09 < Hunterkll> creativity 02:09 < cryptic1> MikeSpears, i know 02:09 < cryptic1> hehehe 02:09 < MikeSpears> :D 02:09 < DLSteve> I'm starting a project called 636 02:10 < MikeSpears> lol 02:10 < Tecuane> isnt that ldaps 02:10 < DLSteve> mines better because it's encrypted. 02:10 < Hunterkll> Tecuane, on RHEL the extra addon license calls it Red Hat Directory Server 02:10 < Tecuane> Hunterkll: quality time invested into that patch rpm 02:10 < Tecuane> s/Fedora/Red Hat/g 02:10 < MikeSpears> Hunterkll: you HAVE TO PAY a seperate license fee??? 02:10 < MikeSpears> wat 02:10 < Tecuane> >enterprise 02:10 < MikeSpears> but AD 02:10 < MikeSpears> is 02:10 < Hunterkll> Tecuane, Red Hat directory server bases on the version of 389 at the time of the new RHEL revision then is frozen in time, with just fixes && some features backported 02:10 < MikeSpears> included 02:10 < MikeSpears> what in the fuck 02:11 < Hunterkll> MikeSpears, but user/device CALs are not included with AD 02:11 < Tecuane> Hunterkll: yea thats how most of redhats stuff works 02:11 < Hunterkll> ;) 02:11 < MikeSpears> this is true 02:11 < MillerBoss> `bofh 02:11 <+layer-eight> BOFH Those damn raccoons! 02:11 < MillerBoss> `bofh 02:11 <+layer-eight> BOFH Monitor vlf leakage 02:11 < MillerBoss> `check 02:11 < MikeSpears> MillerBoss: sup 02:11 < MillerBoss> `chuck 02:11 <+layer-eight> Chuck Norris: Chuck Norris does not value money. He instead pays for goods and services with the teeth of his enemies. 02:11 < MillerBoss> Hey there MikeSpears 02:11 < Hunterkll> MikeSpears, looks like directory server license is $3k/yr for 1 server 02:11 < MillerBoss> How is Spectrum going? 02:11 < Tecuane> that isnt a bad price 02:11 < MikeSpears> eh 02:12 < MillerBoss> Now I want to watch a Chuck Norris movie 02:12 < MikeSpears> trying to get a job elsewhere 02:12 < MillerBoss> How come? 02:12 < Hunterkll> wait 02:12 < Hunterkll> no 02:12 < MikeSpears> spectrum is mind-numbing 02:12 < Hunterkll> what the fuck?! 02:12 < MillerBoss> Hunterkll: shhh 02:12 < Hunterkll> Insight 02:12 < Hunterkll> Go home 02:12 < Hunterkll> you're drunk 02:12 < Hunterkll> https://www.insight.com/en_US/buy/product/MCT0818/RED%20HAT%20SOFTWARE/MCT0818/Red-Hat-Directory-Server--license/ 02:12 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll → Product | Insight 02:12 < Hunterkll> RED HAT DIRECTORY SERVER - LICENSE + 1 YEAR SUBSCRIPTION - 1 SERVER 02:12 < Hunterkll> $16,006.99 02:12 < Hunterkll> SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS: SUNSOFT SOLARIS 9 02:12 < Hunterkll> wat 02:12 < MillerBoss> People are trying to sleep downstairs. 02:12 < MikeSpears> wtf 02:13 < MillerBoss> Mind numbing why MikeSpears? 02:13 < Hunterkll> insight you're drunk go home 02:13 < MikeSpears> I reboot modems all fucking day 02:13 < MikeSpears> its too fucking easy 02:13 < MillerBoss> lol what did you think you were going to do? 02:13 < cryptic1> Hunterkll, wow 02:13 < MikeSpears> i knew thats what it was 02:13 < MillerBoss> I know you want a challange 02:13 < MikeSpears> I only got the job so I could look for something good 02:13 < MikeSpears> and have money coming in 02:14 < MikeSpears> lol 02:14 < MillerBoss> Yeah that makes sense. Can't you move up there? 02:14 < MikeSpears> I can, takes a year tho 02:14 < MikeSpears> I can be making double what I'm making now elsewhere in less time 02:14 < MillerBoss> Well you are how many months in now? 2 plus you get discount on service don't you or not much? 02:14 < MillerBoss> Oh 02:14 < MikeSpears> its not even worth it 02:14 < MillerBoss> Well get going. :P 02:15 < MikeSpears> I get free service, but if I'm making 45-50k, then it doesn't matter 02:15 < MikeSpears> I'm making 34k right now 02:15 < Hunterkll> huh 02:15 < Hunterkll> thius is neat 02:15 < Hunterkll> i might get this 02:15 < Hunterkll> https://www.redhat.com/en/store/red-hat-enterprise-linux-developer-suite#?sku=RH2262474 02:15 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll → Buy Red Hat Enterprise Linux Developer Suite 02:15 < MillerBoss> Yeah. Thats your Burker King job for the moment. 02:15 < Hunterkll> Red Hat® Enterprise Linux® Developer Suite is a self-supported Linux distribution and includes all Red Hat Enterprise Linux Add-Ons, Red Hat Software Collections, and the Red Hat Developer Toolset. This subscription is for development purposes only. 02:15 < MikeSpears> I'd rather pay for internet and make 45-50 02:15 < MillerBoss> Burger too 02:15 < MikeSpears> heh 02:15 < Hunterkll> might set up a RHEL laptop 02:15 < Tecuane> Hunterkll: o neat 02:15 < Hunterkll> $99/yr 02:15 < Tecuane> i thought it was free for local use though? 02:15 < MikeSpears> had an interview today that went really well 02:16 < Tecuane> or is that not everything 02:16 < Hunterkll> Tecuane, 1 instance free license 02:16 < Hunterkll> and that's just the base RHEL 02:16 < Tecuane> aye ok, but not the full suite? 02:16 < Tecuane> gotcha 02:16 < Hunterkll> https://developers.redhat.com/blog/2016/03/31/no-cost-rhel-developer-subscription-now-available/ 02:16 < MikeSpears> will know tuesday 02:16 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll → No-Cost RHEL Developer Subscription now available - RHD Blog 02:16 < Virtual-Potato> MikeSpears, before you leave, get me some free spectrum internet 02:16 < MikeSpears> hahah 02:17 < MillerBoss> Just change the config file on mine please MikeSpears 02:17 < MikeSpears> lol 02:17 < Virtual-Potato> Actually MikeSpears, maybe you could help me. I have this wireless modem, but I can't get internet on it. I thought it was wireless, why do I need to hook up the coax cable on it? 02:17 < MillerBoss> kith/ 02:17 < Hunterkll> Tecuane, some of the things are like the HA modules, resililant storage, smart management, etc 02:17 < MillerBoss> kthx 02:17 < MikeSpears> Virtual-Potato: kys 02:18 < Virtual-Potato> can I power this 'wireless' modem with a Qi charger too? 02:18 < MikeSpears> ... 02:18 < MikeSpears> no 02:18 < MikeSpears> you need to plug in the coax and power 02:18 < MikeSpears> pls stop 02:18 < Hunterkll> lol 02:19 < Hunterkll> Virtual-Potato, not believable 02:19 < MikeSpears> pls no 02:19 < Hunterkll> you used the term Qi instead of wireless 02:19 < Hunterkll> and your wireless charger is plugged in too 02:19 < Virtual-Potato> ok Hunterkll you got me 02:19 < Hunterkll> why 02:19 < Hunterkll> its wireless 02:19 < Hunterkll> unplug that shit 02:19 < Virtual-Potato> how about 02:20 < hello_kitty> tesla already invented wireless power and data transfer 100 yrs ago 02:20 < Virtual-Potato> "Can you help me? I can't set up my internet, and nobody wants to help me! Oh btw, the modem says xfinity on it" 02:20 * MikeSpears shoots Virtual-Potato 02:21 < Hunterkll> "What's a modem?" 02:21 < MillerBoss> I called Verizon Business two days ago trying to give them Spectrum account info for 15 minutes 02:21 < MikeSpears> MillerBoss: kek 02:21 < MillerBoss> Until I realized who I called. I needed to call em both 02:21 < MillerBoss> >We can't find that account 02:21 < Virtual-Potato> would be worse if they were able to find it and fix it 02:21 < MikeSpears> that reminds me.. I need to call frontier business. Thinking about pulling my server from the colo and putting it at my parents house 02:22 < MikeSpears> can get fios at my parents 02:22 < MikeSpears> just need to find a rack and buy it 02:22 < Virtual-Potato> "Do you have a coax to ethernet cable adapter?" 02:22 < MikeSpears> yea, its called a modem 02:22 < Virtual-Potato> no not a converter 02:22 < Virtual-Potato> an adapter 02:23 < MikeSpears> .... 02:23 * MikeSpears mutes Virtual-Potato 02:23 < Virtual-Potato> Oh I didn't know you had a TTS thing installed on your computer 02:23 < Virtual-Potato> sorry for annoying you 02:23 < MillerBoss> lol 02:23 < MikeSpears> I don't haha 02:24 < Virtual-Potato> whoosh 02:24 < MikeSpears> you're just retarded or a troll 02:24 < MikeSpears> or both 02:24 < MikeSpears> are you a retarded troll? 02:24 < MikeSpears> :D 02:24 < Virtual-Potato> no I'm a trolled retard 02:24 < Virtual-Potato> but yes, this is how I decompress after a long day 02:24 < Virtual-Potato> by acting stupid 02:24 < MillerBoss> MikeSpears: Virtual-Potato is cool. Just teasing you. :P 02:25 < MikeSpears> I know 02:25 < MikeSpears> haha 02:25 < javi404> anyone in AWS US-WEST-2 using efs? 02:25 < MillerBoss> OK just making sure. :) 02:25 < Hunterkll> javi404, EFS? 02:25 < Hunterkll> like encrypting file system? 02:25 < Hunterkll> :P 02:25 < javi404> Hunterkll: elastic file system 02:25 < Virtual-Potato> elastic 02:25 < MikeSpears> evil file system 02:25 < javi404> i swear either im crazy, or they are still having issues 02:26 < javi404> MikeSpears: im starting to think that 02:26 < Virtual-Potato> eggcellent file system 02:26 < javi404> of course, status page says everything is A-OK 02:26 < MikeSpears> EIDIOT 02:26 < MikeSpears> lol 02:27 < MadCamel> never trust a directly mounted non-machine-local filesystem. they invariably suck 02:28 < Hunterkll> MadCamel, so don't trust iscsi then? :) 02:29 < javi404> i swear, it one specific zone of the 3 is fucked 02:30 < nojeffrey> 4.5kAUD for a brand new Dell Powervault LTO-7 tape drive, decent price? 02:30 < MadCamel> nope. unless setup with multipath and full redundancy there's more to fail so it tends to fail more. though sometimes you gotta. 02:32 < hello_kitty> is there a file extension that I can put on nginx files? 02:35 < MadCamel> er.. like nginx config files? .conf is pretty standard for those 02:36 < Hunterkll> config.thisismyconfigfiletherearemanylikeitbutthisoneismine 02:36 < MikeSpears> potato 02:37 < paper_kitten> if I wanted to make sure that dnsmasq started after the network was up and running on red hat 7 and then mount an NFS file share after that automatically, anyone have suggestions? 02:39 < MadCamel> yeah. Put the NFS mount in /etc/fstab and trust the system to do the right thing. dnsmasq should come up after networking is started since it's systemd unit depends on that. NFS mounts happen after networking is started as well 02:39 < Holo> Trust....... 02:39 < Casteil> haha... my buddy's reaction to using a battery-powered weedwacker for the first time ever 02:39 < Casteil> (a good one) 02:39 < paper_kitten> it doesn't - so what ends up happening is that the network comes up after dnsmasq starts and it doesnt properly mount the share 02:40 < Casteil> going through some thick brush like it's nothing, his exact words were "it don' even care!" (fake southern accent) 02:41 < DLSteve> all the battery-powered weedwackers I have used sucked. 02:41 < DLSteve> I'm sure they have come a long way though. 02:41 < MillerBoss> It sucks as it cuts 02:41 < MadCamel> ok, that's odd. Stock dnsmasq package, nothing special? 02:41 < paper_kitten> MadCamel: I have a bonded interface set up and it takes it some time to start - i end up always running mount -a after the restart 02:41 < MillerBoss> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AioVDsXidh0 02:41 <+layer-eight> * MillerBoss → YouTube → wayne's world suck cut.MPG → ⚘ 175,106 ↑ 284 ↓ 18 ✍ 29 02:42 <+CheckYourSix> Nothing beats the big gas powered weed wacker with the shoulder straps and the handlebars 02:43 < MadCamel> I see. Well there's a couple ways to approach this problem. The right way would be to use systemd's introspection tools to determine what's going wrong and why. The lazy way would be to put a minor shell script in /etc/rc.d/rc.local to ensure dnsmasq is running and mount the share 02:44 < MadCamel> and enable rc-local.service 02:45 < MadCamel> Personally when faced with such things I take the lazy way because it's quicker and has few downsides :) 02:46 < enix> hey peeps 02:46 < enix> if I setup a cronjob in bash for windows, will it run if there's no bash terminal running 02:47 < MadCamel> oooo I'm interested in the answer to that question as well 02:47 < paper_kitten> so currently there are 2 ways this is being handled - 1 is an entry in crontab that just runs mount -a 3 minutes after a reboot, 2 is an entry in the config for the dnsmasq service that tells it to just wait when it starts up. Neither of which work all the time because these servers are enormous and highly variable in their timing on boot 02:48 < paper_kitten> I thought for some reason there was a way to script out "only start this service if x service is running" 02:48 <+NinjaStyle> enix: if you test it, share the result plz 02:49 < enix> Im trying to 02:50 < MadCamel> paper_kitten there is, check out the documentation for systemd unit files. Requires=something.service 02:50 < paper_kitten> good to know - thanks 02:50 < enix> * * * * * date > /var/log/mining 02:50 < enix> that should put the full date into that file every minute yeah 02:51 < enix> it's been a while 02:52 < MadCamel> enix, the billed avian search engine tells me it's unlikely to work.. no background processes, no cron. 02:52 < enix> yeah that was my thought 02:52 < paper_kitten> MadCamel: do you know off hand if I can put network services in the required=* field? 02:54 < paper_kitten> possibly for a specific interfac 02:56 < MadCamel> Wants=network-online.target After=network-online.target but don't quote me on that 02:56 < MadCamel> dunno specific interface 02:57 < paper_kitten> i'll give it a shot - thanks 02:57 < hello_kitty> in windows linux subsystem, is there a way to get tab complete and arrow keys operational after sshing into another box? I don't even see the filepaths in the prompt, just $ 03:01 < MillerBoss> https://www.techmeme.com/180606/p13#a180606p13 03:01 <+layer-eight> * MillerBoss → Techmeme: Cisco: Russian-tied VPNFilter malware targets far more routers and is more powerful than first reported, can attack connected PCs, downgrade HTTPS connections (Dan Goodin/Ars Technica) 03:01 < enix> hello_kitty: er works for me 03:02 < hello_kitty> so you can open ubuntu (or whatever subsystem) tab complete works fine.. then ssh user@somewhere, and tab still works when connected to `somewhere` ? 03:02 < enix> yeah 03:03 < hello_kitty> i get actual tabs while typing and other keycodes $ ^[[A^[[D^[[A^[[D^[[A^[[C^[[D^[[A^[[C 03:04 < MillerBoss> https://twitter.com/security_craig/status/1004347884920176642 03:04 <+layer-eight> * MillerBoss → Craig Williams on Twitter: "Cisco Talos has discovered additional details regarding VPNFilter including payloads with advanced MiTM capabilities as well as a significant number of previously unknown vulnerable devices read more - https://t.co/fhsyLa3kG... 03:05 < MillerBoss> >First, we have determined that additional devices are being targeted by this actor, including some from vendors that are new to the target list. These new vendors are ASUS, D-Link, Huawei, Ubiquiti, UPVEL, and ZTE. New devices were also discovered from Linksys, MikroTik, Netgear, and TP-Link. Our research currently shows that no Cisco network devices are affected. We've provided an updated device list 03:05 < MillerBoss> below. 03:05 < MillerBoss> dun dun dun 03:05 < enix> hello_kitty: what does echo $0 say? 03:05 < enix> or echo $SHELL 03:05 < enix> on the rmote session 03:05 < hello_kitty> -sh, /bin/sh 03:06 < enix> there's your issue 03:06 < hello_kitty> i dont know much linux.. what should it be instead? 03:06 < enix> usermod --shell /bin/bash 03:06 < MillerBoss> Fuck everyone has those consumer devices at home and I bet some small businesses around the world 03:08 < hello_kitty> enix: do i need to do that before connecting to the remote server? i dont get anything i run that on the remote 03:08 < enix> disconnect and reconnect 03:08 < MillerBoss> >Any outgoing web requests on port 80 are now intercepted by ssler and can be inspected and manipulated before being sent to the legitimate HTTP service. All HTTP requests are sslstripped. 03:09 < hello_kitty> enix sweet, that fixed it :D ... now to add that via ansible??? :x 03:09 < MillerBoss> This is why http, ftp, plaintext anything need to be not used any longer 03:09 < enix> shell: bash 03:09 < enix> about to fucking neck someone at work 03:09 < enix> fucking hell. 03:09 < enix> brb 03:09 < hello_kitty> is that because i didnt create my users correctly to begin with 03:09 < hello_kitty> oh.. yea now im reading the manual and i see where that was an option 03:12 < MillerBoss> Why can't https connections from a client to a web server for example have checksums so if javascript is injected the browser will know? 03:14 < javi404> MillerBoss: good idea 03:15 < MillerBoss> >Despite the discovery of VPNFilter and the FBI seizure two weeks ago of a key command and control server, the botnet still remains active, Williams said. The reason involves the deliberately piecemeal design of the malware. Stage 1 acts as a backdoor and is one of the few known pieces of router malware that can survive a reboot. Meanwhile, stages 2 and 3, which provide advanced functions for things such 03:15 < MillerBoss> as man-in-the-middle attacks and self-destruction capabilities, have to be reinstalled each time an infected device is restarted. 03:20 < Casteil> lol 03:20 < Casteil> my boss texted me earlier asking what a good brew is from a local brewer 03:20 < Casteil> brewery 03:21 < Casteil> didn't get back to him for like 20 minutes, but when I did he was like "too late, bought 4 4packs" 03:21 < Casteil> I think he's boozing us up for our meeting coming this friday lol 03:26 < javi404> can confirm 03:26 < javi404> one AZ in us-west-2 can't connect to EFS still 03:26 < javi404> what the fuck 03:27 < javi404> glad there are 3 03:31 < xe0n> 4 4 packs... a carton :D 03:36 < MikeSpears> and people LAUGHED AT ME for saying fuck consumer shit 03:40 <@Nostalg14c> Morning fellas. 03:42 < sideup66> Evening Nostalg14c 03:42 < sideup66> Hey were you asking me about the Android ringer problem on sunday 03:42 < sideup66> Someone did 03:43 <@Nostalg14c> No sir. 03:43 <@Nostalg14c> Apple master race. 03:44 <+NinjaStyle> fuck apple 03:44 < Hunterkll> wut 03:45 < Hunterkll> ya'll wacist 03:45 <+NinjaStyle> Hunterkll: fuck whites 03:46 <+NinjaStyle> MuffinMedic: hi EVAN! 03:46 < Hunterkll> NinjaStyle, ya'll white boys better find some other way to shit post 03:48 <+CheckYourSix> Any of you using 4K on a laptop? Seems pointless. 03:50 <+NinjaStyle> too much res 03:50 <@Nostalg14c> its pointless on like a 27" 03:51 <+CheckYourSix> I was just reading through the newer XPS 13" and 15" models and the 4K screen is an option. Costs a few hundred more and kills battery life. I think 1080p is plenty on a screen that small. 03:52 < Hunterkll> lulz 03:52 < Hunterkll> https://www.ebay.com/itm/This-item-Is-Reserved-For-Tom-Walden-To-Purchase-Only-Nikon-F5-System/142824229625?hash=item2140fccaf9:g:xIwAAOSwJdBbGCT2 03:52 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll → This item Is Reserved For Tom Walden To Purchase Only. Nikon F5 System. | eBay 03:54 < cryptic1> did u buy it Hunterkll ? 03:56 < xe0n> buy it, just to piss him off 03:56 < xe0n> lol 03:56 < Hunterkll> lol 03:56 <@Nostalg14c> Think about it. 03:56 < Hunterkll> nah 03:56 <@Nostalg14c> Reverse psychology. 03:56 < Hunterkll> but i'm about to snipe another EOS-3 03:56 <@Nostalg14c> Ez to sell items. 03:56 < Hunterkll> "Oh shit, i thought you were going to cancel my order!" 03:57 < MillerBoss> https://pages.ebay.com/promo/2018/0606/66165.html?_trkparms=%26clkid%3D4431368889177865980 03:57 <+layer-eight> * MillerBoss → Today Only: 20% Off Everything!* 03:57 < Hunterkll> ya 03:58 < MillerBoss> 2 minutes left right? 03:58 < Hunterkll> thats why im cruisin ebay 03:58 < Hunterkll> no 03:58 < Hunterkll> wait 03:58 < Hunterkll> yes 03:58 < Hunterkll> got my discount 03:58 < MillerBoss> We got a shit load of orders I guess because of that 03:58 < Hunterkll> $40 off 03:58 < Hunterkll> lol 03:58 < Hunterkll> shit 03:58 < Hunterkll> i'll make a profit off of this 03:59 < MillerBoss> I wonder who pays the discount, eBay or seller 03:59 < Hunterkll> ebay 03:59 < Hunterkll> seller gets full $ 03:59 < MillerBoss> Yeah they can afford that just by the fees 03:59 < Hunterkll> swweet 03:59 < Hunterkll> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Canon-EOS-3-35mm-SLR-Film-Camera-Body-Only-W-Auto-Winder-Tested/232797030703?epid=54935041&hash=item3633c8c92f:g:ppcAAOSwJuNbGBu2 03:59 < Hunterkll> just got that 03:59 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll → Canon EOS-3 35mm SLR Film Camera Body Only W/Auto Winder Tested 82966102615 | eBay 03:59 < Hunterkll> it has the DB-E2 04:00 < Hunterkll> taht DB-E2 is worth $150-200 by itself 04:00 < Hunterkll> $179.98 shipped 04:02 <+CheckYourSix> Damn, Surface Book 2 is rated for 17 hours of battery life!?!? 04:02 <@Nostalg14c> by the manul 04:02 <@Nostalg14c> real life always different 04:02 <+CheckYourSix> I know, but still, that's the highest I've seen 04:03 < Casteil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUvZi0LbXjk < MRW I see a r/WTF post on Reddit's frontpage 04:03 <+layer-eight> * Casteil → YouTube → Steve Carell - NO GOD! (high quality) → ⚘ 1,356 ↑ 8 ↓ 1 ✍ 1 04:03 <+CheckYourSix> Hunterkll: Do you have a SB2 or the original? 04:04 < Casteil> CheckYourSix: xps 15 is rated for 20 but in reality it's more like 7-12 ._. 04:05 <+CheckYourSix> Casteil: Everything I keep seeing says the battery life sucks. At least on the 4K model. The 1080p one I can't find much info on 04:05 < Casteil> I have a new XPS 9570, with 4K. I got 8 hours on my first 100% -> dead go 04:05 < Hunterkll> CheckYourSix, OG original 04:06 < Hunterkll> before the powerbottom 04:06 < Casteil> and that might even improve a little bit after some more battery 'exercise' 04:06 < Hunterkll> 512GB/dGPU/16GB/i7 04:06 <+CheckYourSix> Casteil: I would get the 1080p model if I was going to buy it 04:06 < Casteil> that's fair 04:06 < Casteil> I mean the 4K is a $400 upgrade anyway 04:06 < Casteil> but my boss bought it for me and I didn't really ask for it so w/e 04:07 < Casteil> it is a very, very nice looking display 04:07 <+CheckYourSix> 4K on a screen that small is just pointless and it kills the battery 04:07 <+CheckYourSix> Yeah, in that case, why not 04:07 < Casteil> I wouldn't call it pointless, I do kinda like being able to have more effective real estate by not using effectively 1080p 04:07 < Casteil> I use it on 150%, 100% is too tiny 04:07 < Hunterkll> wtf? 04:07 < Hunterkll> my microsoft complete ran out? 04:08 < Hunterkll> fuck 04:08 < Hunterkll> must have run out last year 04:08 < Hunterkll> goddamnit 04:08 < Hunterkll> i was gonna shatter it and get a new one to sell 04:08 <+CheckYourSix> Casteil: Even 150% seems so tiny 04:08 < Hunterkll> >_> 04:08 < Casteil> speaking of the XPS, it is soooo sexy, this pic doesn't really do the screen justice though: https://i.imgur.com/7PLAP9G.jpg 04:08 <+layer-eight> * Casteil → IMAGE/JPEG Document, 2,514,515 bytes 04:08 <+CheckYourSix> It does look good 04:09 < Casteil> drives me a little crazy that they didn't just include standalone pageup/down keys near the arrow keys like just about every other dell laptop 04:09 <+CheckYourSix> It's so hard for me to justify a laptop though. I only use it when I'm away from home for the weekend like 2x per month 04:09 < Hunterkll> LOL 04:09 < Casteil> Yeah, I never use my personal laptop 04:09 < Hunterkll> fuck 04:09 < Hunterkll> Extended Service Plan: This device is covered for hardware services through May 28, 2018 04:09 < Hunterkll> it just expired last month 04:09 < Hunterkll> damn 04:09 < Hunterkll> i've had this thing for 2 years 04:09 < Hunterkll> O.o 04:10 < Casteil> if I'm on my PC at home, I'm on my desktop (..or my work laptop, working) 04:15 < Casteil> anyway CheckYourSix - the i7-8750H is a beast of a CPU 04:15 < MadCamel> will it keep me warm at night? 04:15 <+CheckYourSix> Casteil: 6 core, right? 04:16 < Casteil> hyperthreaded hexacore in a laptop, more processing power than my personal gaming desktop pc (it's aging), and not crazy far off a modern 8600k 04:16 <+CheckYourSix> Casteil: And yeah, I use my desktop at home. Work laptop is so locked down with all of work crap. I don't touch it for anything but work. I barely even Google anything that's not work related. 04:17 < Casteil> for some perspective, my 'old' work latitude (7470) had an i5-6300U (which honestly is still a great laptop for most people) which would score about 50GFlops on LinX 04:17 < Casteil> my aging i5-3570K gaming desktop scores about 80GFlops 04:17 < Casteil> the i5-8750H scores about 125GFlops 04:17 <+CheckYourSix> Nice 04:17 <+CheckYourSix> I have a junker old laptop I got for free 04:18 <+CheckYourSix> Some AMD mess. Useful for browing the internet, using IRC, and watching movies. That's about it 04:18 < Casteil> and that faster CPU combined with the NVMe drive, faster ram bandwidth and all manner of other performance increases since the Latitude 7470... our application builds in 1 minute as opposed to ~4 minutes 04:18 < MadCamel> I really want a new laptop but intel bootguard is stopping me. 04:18 <+CheckYourSix> Wow. Huge improvement 04:18 <+CheckYourSix> MadCamel: ? 04:18 < Casteil> yeah.. especially when a lot of small incremental changes during bugfixing need rebuilds 04:19 < Casteil> that 3 minutes of savings adds up 04:19 < Casteil> I'd say right now it's probably adding up to a good half hour saved every day 04:19 < MadCamel> bootguard prevents firmware modification. I, err, like to modify my firmware. Unlock advanced setup options. Remove silly dell service-tag based backdoors. Stuff like that 04:20 < Casteil> if not more than that, I don't really keep track of how many times I rebuild hehe 04:20 < Casteil> and yeah... amd's not been great for mobile, like.. ever 04:20 < joelazot> ello 04:21 <+CheckYourSix> Casteil: Well, free... and used basically when I go visit family/friends 1-2x per month on weekends. AMD can suffice for that. 04:22 <+CheckYourSix> I'm hoping if I wait several more years before upgrading, I can just get a laptop or whatever and use a docking station at home. By then, GPUs in laptops should be pretty ridiculous 04:22 < MadCamel> like did you know if you lock the firmware setup on a dell machine it can be unlocked by anyone who has the service tag and the right algo? And the algo's sitting in the firmware for anyone to look at? Hellooooo secureboot disable and coldboot attack against encryption.. So what's dell do when people start fixing that? They prevent booting unsigned firmware. 04:22 <+CheckYourSix> MadCamel: Wow. Didn't know that 04:23 < joelazot> How is everyone? 04:24 <+TuxedoJack> FUCKING GODDAMN SHIT ASS 1803 UPGRADE! 04:24 < joelazot> AYY LMAO 04:24 <+TuxedoJack> Fucking piece of shit installs "My Office" - some bullshit O365 UWP build - and fucks C2R installs of O365 04:25 <@Nostalg14c> Task sequence upgrade life. 04:25 <@Nostalg14c> Delete that shit. 04:25 < Casteil> MadCamel: I think that needs substantiation before I believe it 04:25 <+TuxedoJack> Nostalg14c: fucking dipshit tier 1s deployed machines without doing that 04:25 <+coderphive> kek 04:26 < Casteil> but, generally speaking.. it's good practice to assume physical possession == compromised 04:26 < xe0n> TuxedoJack: CR2 > MSI installs 04:26 <+coderphive> can we all just appreciate 04:26 <+TuxedoJack> xe0n: fuck your C2R bullshit 04:26 <+coderphive> that MS now owns all the open sauce codes 04:26 <+TuxedoJack> MSI installs work just fucking fine 04:26 <+TuxedoJack> No fucking reason to fuck with what works 04:26 < xe0n> so does C2R lol 04:27 <+TuxedoJack> There' 04:27 <+TuxedoJack> *There's no fucking reason to fuck over MSI installs in favor of C2R. Bandwidth is cheap, disk space is cheap, and streaming installs is fucking retarded shit 04:27 <+coderphive> I'm going to hide mentions of TuxedoJack in my code 04:27 < xe0n> i run our c2r offline? 04:27 < xe0n> lol 04:28 <+TuxedoJack> Not an option in non-enterprise / MSP scenarios 04:28 < xe0n> yes it is! 04:28 < xe0n> LOL 04:28 <+TuxedoJack> Fucking retards for tier 1s 04:28 <+TuxedoJack> Insist on logging into the fucking portal and not using the Install Offline option 04:28 < xe0n> https://www.microsoft.com/en-au/download/details.aspx?id=49117 04:28 < xe0n> riiight 04:28 <+CheckYourSix> Casteil: The XPS 15 in silver/black like you have really is sexy. I want it. 04:28 < xe0n> i wrapped that into kaseya when i was in MSP, worked fine 04:28 < Alternity> the new xps 15 refresh is a little dissapointing 04:29 <+TuxedoJack> We don't have Kaseya. We have fucking LabTech 04:29 <+CheckYourSix> Casteil: What about that retarded placement of the webcam? It's so dumb 04:29 < Alternity> the non 4k verison is still plastic bezels 04:29 < xe0n> sweet, same thing 04:29 <+TuxedoJack> And I don't get time to set up proper imaging / task deployment 04:29 < Alternity> TuxedoJack: u get a new job yet 04:29 < Alternity> or still killing yourself at that msp 04:29 <+TuxedoJack> Because I'm too busy fixing these shitheads' fuckups 04:29 < xe0n> i had no trouble rolling it out when i was doing msp stuff 04:29 < Alternity> i can only assume you are one of those people who likes being angry/stressed all the time 04:29 < xe0n> but whatever 04:29 < xe0n> ^ 04:29 < Casteil> CheckYourSix: Don't need it. Put a tiny square of electrical tape over it because paranoia 04:30 <+TuxedoJack> Alternity: yeah, I do seek reasons to be pissed. Rage fuels me 04:30 < Church-> Yeah seriously find something else, your anger is gonna you one day. 04:30 < Alternity> TuxedoJack: haha whatever works 04:30 <+CheckYourSix> Casteil: Pretty much what everyone does now lol 04:30 < Alternity> 9 months at MSP was great xp but i GTFO back to internal IT asap 04:30 < Alternity> much happier 04:30 < Church-> TuxedoJack: Hey if your heart blows from stress can I have your booze and/or rig? 04:30 < MadCamel> Casteil: Heh, wish I could substantiate but I'm beat and the machine I did the work on is out in my garage somewhere. If you take a dell uefi firmware, bust it open in uefitool and search for the string "Service Tag", extract the modules that show up to PE files and check them out in IDA.. One of 'em is a module specifically to allow service-tag based unlocks 04:30 < Casteil> CheckYourSix: well I didn't say it was unfounded paranoia 04:30 < Alternity> my work just sent out self evaluations to everyone 04:31 <+TuxedoJack> Church-: no, it's earmarked for destruction when I'm dead 04:31 < xe0n> Alternity: yeah we do those as part of our review 04:31 < Alternity> time to bust out the corporote BS speak 04:31 < Alternity> i get to brag hard about how i am an IT god 04:31 < Church-> Whyyyyyy? 04:31 < Alternity> as far as i can tell there is zero reason to be modest 04:31 < xe0n> IT god lol 04:31 < xe0n> i be modest, let them mark higher lol 04:31 < MadCamel> booze sounds good 04:31 < Alternity> xe0n: i used to believe that 04:31 < xe0n> i always mark myself as jsut meeting standards, let them say im doing better 04:31 < Alternity> but honestly, look at trump 04:31 < Church-> MadCamel: Also my friend pushed me too much. This is now close to being a fully working MIPS 1 assembler, 04:32 < Alternity> he who brags the most gets the most 04:32 < Alternity> and i'm gunning for a 30% raise so :P 04:32 < MadCamel> you cray cray 04:32 < Casteil> CheckYourSix: one (among many) nice little benefits to working for a small company is that I have local admin on my laptop and no real restrictions on what I can do 04:32 < MadCamel> no projects for me now.. 12 hour workdays :( 04:32 < Church-> Just reworking the conversion function. 04:32 < joelazot> nice i have work today 04:32 < joelazot> feelsgoodman 04:32 < Church-> MadCamel: Yeah I need to reset our dev environment next week. Moving offices and no room for a rack. 04:32 < Alternity> i think they want you to be modest so they can shaft you on salary increase 04:33 < Alternity> give you 3% and you are supposed to be grateful 04:33 < Alternity> oh thanks for matching inflation in the hottest IT market since the early 2000s 04:33 < xe0n> riiight 04:34 < Church-> MadCamel: So position I have a second interview for. Accidentally went for solutions architect rather then engineer. $110-160K range rather then $80-110K. And I wonder why he laughed when I asked fkr $80k 04:34 < Alternity> i dont want to play the game but i will play the game for dat $$$ 04:34 < Casteil> yuck @ 12h workdays 04:34 < Church-> Yick 04:34 < Casteil> I think my boss is planning on boozing us up for this little meeting we've got coming Friday 04:34 < Alternity> i'll never stay at a job where i work more than an average of 40 04:35 < Alternity> i understand you have to do on call and do after hours work, but i damn well better gety a day or two off the week after to make up for those hours 04:35 <@Nostalg14c> Church-: well thats where you fucked up 04:35 < xe0n> loll Alternity... 04:35 <@Nostalg14c> always ask them for the range, before disclosing your offer. 04:35 < Casteil> I've made sure to make the fact that my engineer and I have been working late nights around active hours for testing 04:35 <@Nostalg14c> Because they will always have a range prior to hiring. 04:35 < Alternity> i ask for a range when HR calls me to setup an interview 04:35 < Church-> Nostalg14c: Well he did say to change it at least come next interview. 04:35 < Casteil> is known 04:35 < Alternity> i'm not even going to show up for an interview of the pay range is not reasonable 04:36 <@Nostalg14c> +1 04:36 < Alternity> 99% of the time HR will tell me the salary range 04:36 < Church-> Eyep, well know I knew the ranges. 04:36 < Church-> I applied to the wrong position. 04:36 < Church-> well no* 04:36 < Alternity> i think i might be turning into a BOFH 04:36 <+coderphive> Alright 04:36 <+coderphive> That's it 04:36 <+coderphive> I'm going to get ice cream 04:36 <+coderphive> I really wish you guys wouldn't do this to me 04:36 < Church-> I"m finishing my assembler. 04:36 < Casteil> PS: If you guys are in the market for new outdoor power equipment, Milwaukee makes some good shit 04:37 < Alternity> i have to go back through my tickets and tyr to remember my accomplishments from the past year tho 04:37 < Alternity> ugh 04:37 < Alternity> time to scan through several thousand tickets 04:37 < Alternity> anyone got a good jira filter for that? 04:37 < Casteil> just put my new Milwaukee M18 string trimmer (weedwacker) to the test today at my buddy's place.. thing absolutely blasts through heavy brush (I think his exact words were "..it don' even care" ..with a fake thick southern accent) 04:38 < Casteil> Alternity: There's definitely a jira filter for that 04:38 < Casteil> you just have to figure it out, lulz 04:38 < Alternity> Casteil: well issue is most of the tickets the reporter is a different person and they get assigned back the ticdket for validation 04:38 < Alternity> so i can't just filter by assignee 04:38 < joelazot> how long do CCNAs last? 04:38 < Alternity> have to find a way to filter by tickets i have commented on 04:38 < Alternity> joelazot: 3 years iirc 04:39 <@Nostalg14c> ye 3 04:39 < Alternity> but really if you are in networking and care about it lapsing get a different cisco cert to renew it 04:39 < Alternity> can either look at ccnp or another associate level cert 04:40 < togenshi> Alternity: there are time tracking plugins for JIRA 04:40 < Alternity> togenshi: will that help with past tickets? 04:40 < Alternity> also i try to avoid more plugins 04:40 < togenshi> nope :( 04:40 < Casteil> really depends what jira you use 04:40 < Alternity> the previous IT guy was a fuckin' dunce and added like 30 plugins to our jira 04:40 < Casteil> I imagine you're referring to support desk 04:40 < Alternity> i've been uninstalling them forever 04:40 < joelazot> Alterninty: I was just thinking of getting a cert to learn some networking y'know 04:40 < Casteil> which I can't really speak to because I only use Jira Software 04:40 < Alternity> nah we use jira softweare, no service desk 04:40 < togenshi> Casteil: that too, we have JIRA software 04:41 < Alternity> joelazot: bro CCNA is the way to go for certs if you are staritng out 04:41 < Alternity> solid networking foundation and CCNA is widely respected 04:41 < joelazot> yeah 04:41 < MadCamel> Church-: hey that's a good sign that he told you the range and straight up said ask for more.. Must like you. I hope you can fall into a good job by accident 04:41 < togenshi> CCNA is stupidly useful even if you don't use cisco devices 04:41 < joelazot> i was thinking after college i'd get a CCNA and MCSA or something 04:41 < Alternity> fuck the MCSA 04:41 <@Nostalg14c> porque no los dos 04:41 < joelazot> Alternity: even if i plan to go into a windows job? 04:42 < Alternity> i mean, i wouldn't if i was starting out again 04:42 < joelazot> Wouldn't go into a windows job or get the cert? 04:42 < Alternity> i work primarly with windows server but am trying to move to more linux 04:42 < joelazot> That's my plan 04:42 < joelazot> i love linux 04:42 < Alternity> linux admin jobs pay better period because there are fewer truly good linux admins 04:42 < joelazot> But my country has a lack of linux jobs afaik 04:42 < joelazot> ^ 04:43 < togenshi> i would do both, with windows getting native ssh/powershell, its going to make things amazing 04:43 < joelazot> yeah 04:43 < Alternity> it's better than it was, but even microsoft runs a lot of their stuff on linux now 04:43 < joelazot> ^ 04:43 < Alternity> azure's backbone is all inux 04:43 < togenshi> cause windows is a pita to make it act all "cloud" like 04:43 <@Nostalg14c> Alternity: source please 04:44 < Alternity> and NZ isn't that small joelazot, there is plenty of linux jobs in the bigger cities i'm sure 04:44 < joelazot> TLDR; be a windows & Linux admin? 04:44 < Casteil> linux is cancer 04:44 < Alternity> https://www.wired.com/2015/09/microsoft-using-linux-run-cloud/ 04:44 < joelazot> College degree will get me through hr 04:44 < Casteil> don't do linux 04:44 <+layer-eight> * Alternity → Whoa. Microsoft Is Using Linux to Run Its Cloud | WIRED 04:44 < Alternity> http://www.datacenterdynamics.com/content-tracks/servers-storage/microsoft-runs-azure-networking-on-linux/94837.fullarticle 04:44 < Casteil> not even once 04:44 <+layer-eight> * Alternity → Microsoft runs Azure (networking) on Linux | News | DatacenterDynamics 04:44 < joelazot> Casteil: Opinions are subjective... 04:44 <@Nostalg14c> Alternity: so its switches run something non-windows. 04:44 < Casteil> linux is cancer < objective fact 04:44 <@Nostalg14c> I wouldn't call that "Azure runs on linux" 04:44 < Alternity> also Microsoft uses Chef for their azure automation 04:45 < togenshi> pretty much every single modern switch runs linux now 04:45 < Alternity> even microsoft knows DSC is still junk and isn't up to snuff :/ 04:45 < togenshi> my Cisco 3850s run linux, brocade 300 fiber fabrics run linux 04:45 <@Nostalg14c> DSC is getting re-written from the ground up. 04:45 < Alternity> thank god 04:45 < MadCamel> whitebox switches are fun. many of them run straight up debian with some extra stuff to jigger the asics 04:46 < Alternity> Nostalg14c: an exageration for sure, but a signfigant component of their infrastructure is linux based, something that would have been pretty unthinkable even 10 years ago 04:46 <@Nostalg14c> I dont think so. 04:46 < Alternity> joelazot: if you can do both well you'll do well 04:46 <@Nostalg14c> It would'vealways been something similar. 04:46 < joelazot> Alternity: yeah 04:46 < Alternity> MCSA from what i've heard is a lot of rote memorization 04:47 < Alternity> it's one of the certs that have a reputation for brain dumps 04:47 < Alternity> get ccna first and see if you are sick of certs yet :P 04:47 < xe0n> like most exams lol 04:47 < Alternity> <--- no certs 04:47 < togenshi> no certs 04:48 <@Nostalg14c> <- lots of certs 04:48 < MadCamel> my company hired me to be a linux admin and gave me a locked-down windows machine when I've been linux-native for 20 years. tbh I'm pretty miffed. 04:48 < Church-> MadCamel: Oh I'd love this one even though it sounds like a pain. Flying/remoting in and converting old corp enterprise to cloud based/on prem cloud based. 04:48 < Alternity> weird 04:48 < xe0n> i have a few 04:48 < Alternity> microsoft has azure consultants they send out, they make absolute bank 04:49 < MadCamel> Church-: that does sound like a lot of problem-solving style fun 04:49 < Alternity> 250k+ and obv all expenses covered while you are at a client 04:49 < xe0n> cool 04:50 < Alternity> i may look at something like that once i've had a little more exp 04:50 < kepler> too much travel 04:50 < Alternity> ye i wouldn't do it if you had a family and kids 04:50 <@Nostalg14c> Sounds like it'd be pre-sales work. 04:50 <@Nostalg14c> Could be wrong though. 04:51 < joelazot> Are red hat certs good? 04:51 < xe0n> ^ 04:51 < xe0n> free hat 04:51 < joelazot> e.g get a CCNA & RHCA? 04:51 < xe0n> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtYTZtTCWLk 04:51 <+layer-eight> * xe0n → YouTube → Free Hat → ⚘ 3,490 ↑ 17 ↓ 0 ✍ 3 04:51 < Church-> MadCamel: Eyep. 04:51 < joelazot> well a good measurement of skill and knowledge, rather. 04:51 <+CheckYourSix> joelazot: Yes, they're all practical. Not written tests. 04:51 < kepler> i dont think certs do that at all 04:52 < joelazot> CheckYourSix: That sounds great! 04:52 < Church-> MadCamel: Ever watch HCF? Halt and Catch Fire. 04:52 < xe0n> i try to get people into HCF lol 04:52 < xe0n> they were more into silicon valley lol 04:52 < joelazot> What hypervisors tend to be used for linux + windows environments? 04:52 < joelazot> KVM? 04:52 < kepler> vmware 04:53 < joelazot> vmware ESXi? 04:53 < joelazot> interesting 04:53 < joelazot> or vCenter? 04:53 < xe0n> lol 04:53 < kepler> vcenter clusters esxi hosts 04:53 < JollyRgrs> vmware gets used most b/c vcenter = easy 04:53 < xe0n> esxi is the hypervisor, vcenter is the management 04:54 < xe0n> esxi is boring without vcenter 04:55 < joelazot> Cheers xe0n 04:55 < xe0n> no sweat 04:55 < Alternity> vmware is still very common in corporate IT, but it's getting slowly getting pushed out by containers, kvm 04:55 < joelazot> yeah 04:56 <@Nostalg14c> ehh 04:56 <@Nostalg14c> barely. 04:56 < Alternity> VCP for example is still a very lucractive cert, but not amazingly forward thinking 04:56 < kepler> it'll all eventually be lambda calls 04:56 <@Nostalg14c> no chance. 04:56 < Alternity> who knows man, tech changes so fast 04:56 <@Nostalg14c> I do. 04:56 < Alternity> we'll all be running bate metal again in a few years :D 04:56 <@Nostalg14c> I know that there's too many organizations with their shitty propietary software. 04:56 < Alternity> LoB software will always be trash 04:56 < JollyRgrs> ^^ 04:57 < Alternity> nature of small vertical markets 04:57 <@killdash9> joelazot: the Red Hat Architect cert is a bear to earn. As are the Cisco ones I hear. 04:57 < joelazot> wonder if i should start learning windows server or linux first (know a meh amount of linux cli stuff) although i know a mediocre amount about windows server and shit 04:57 < xe0n> vmware isn't going anywhere for the people who are deep in their ecosystem 04:57 < kepler> linux bro 04:57 <@Nostalg14c> whatever interests you more 04:57 < Alternity> ccna you can get in a few months if you study hard, same with rhcsa 04:57 < xe0n> lock in, apps built around it, $$, time, benefit of upgrading, blah blah blah 04:57 < JollyRgrs> joelazot: whatever you find more interesting 04:57 < JollyRgrs> but personally? i love tinkering with Linux, but I know Windows very well 04:57 <@killdash9> Alternity: I was talking RHCA, not SA 04:57 < JollyRgrs> so at home, my servers are all linux, at work, i deal with SCCM and windows 04:57 < Alternity> oh i might be getting them confused 04:57 < Alternity> whichever is the entry level one 04:58 <@killdash9> I think in the long run, at least for now, your salary cap will be higher on the Linux side. 04:58 < joelazot> Alternity: not at high school :p 04:58 < Alternity> what killdash9 said 04:58 < joelazot> as far as getting a cert in 3 months goes 04:58 <@killdash9> I hate that Red Hat renamed them like 8 years ago. The basic one was RHCT 04:58 < JollyRgrs> killdash9: but to get that high salary cap, you gotta move to a decent sized market 04:58 < Alternity> joelazot: depends on your HS 04:58 <@killdash9> RHCT>RHCE>RHCA 04:58 < Alternity> i have a friend who got his CCNA and MCSA by the time he graduated HS 04:58 <@killdash9> JollyRgrs: yeah, fuck you 04:58 < JollyRgrs> lol 04:58 < joelazot> Alternity: our school doesn't have anything like that 04:58 < Alternity> i was like the fuck, my HS didn't even have computer classes 04:59 < JollyRgrs> killdash9: you're doin pretty good where you are 04:59 < JollyRgrs> it's better there than here 04:59 < Alternity> ye you gotta self learn some of that stuff. most uni CS infrastructure tracks will have certs as part of your education 04:59 <@killdash9> I don't know many Windows admins doing $500K. I do know Linux admins making that. 04:59 < JollyRgrs> yup 04:59 < Alternity> well you also gotta be the kind of admin that can automate the work a team of admins used to do 04:59 <@Nostalg14c> killdash9: ye. they wont be 'linux admins' thouhg. 04:59 < JollyRgrs> the more complicated setups are generally linux... and those are the ones they "REALLY REALLY NEED" for their business 04:59 <@killdash9> that's a 1-in-10000 admin though 05:00 < JollyRgrs> or 1 in 100,000,000 05:00 < Alternity> i've started reading 5th ed unix and linux admin handbook 05:00 <@killdash9> Nostalg14c: true. That'll be perf tuning the shit out of things for financials but it's still Linux to the core 05:00 < Alternity> so damn good 05:00 < joelazot> Alternity: I'm gonna go to a 'polytech' and study "Batchelor of Information and Communication Technology (System Administration Focus)" Polytechs basically are hands on where universitys are moreso theory based 05:00 < Alternity> makes me sad Evi Nemeth died :( 05:01 < JollyRgrs> who? 05:01 < Casteil> chances are if you're making $500k you're not an "administrator" 05:01 < Alternity> joelazot: sounds like a decent track 05:01 < Church-> killdash9: Where are you working again? 05:01 < Church-> I always assume a F500 company at least.' 05:01 <@killdash9> Casteil: us old fucks still prefer to be called sysadmins 05:01 < Alternity> one of the OG unix admins https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evi_Nemeth 05:01 <+layer-eight> * Alternity → Evi Nemeth - Wikipedia 05:01 <@killdash9> Church-: large gaming company 05:01 < joelazot> I don't know what what i want to do is specifically called, but it's close enough to sysadmin so i say that 05:02 < kepler> what do you want to do 05:02 <@killdash9> ^^^^ 05:02 < Church-> killdash9: Be honest, is it Blizzard? 05:02 <@killdash9> what you want to do is usually not what you end up doing though. 05:02 < Church-> Bethesda? 05:02 <@killdash9> Church-: heh, no 05:02 < Alternity> joelazot: make sure you learn to program well 05:02 < Church-> Dare I ask, Nexon? :P 05:02 < joelazot> I want to work with virtualization and linux and windows 05:02 < Alternity> we are far past the time an admin can just use GUI tools and make a good salary longterm 05:02 < Church-> joelazot: Go for a CS degree. 05:02 < joelazot> Church: why tho 05:03 < JollyRgrs> joelazot: so you wanna be a devops? 05:03 < joelazot> i geuss 05:03 < Alternity> because the best devops are probably developers who learned infrastructure 05:03 < Church-> It's more faceted, more useable, you learn programming, general logical concepts, how to truly troubleshoot. 05:03 < Alternity> i wish it wasn't so but it is :D 05:03 < Church-> Plus you can always do programming as a backup career. 05:03 <@killdash9> and how to be a shitty admin 05:03 < JollyRgrs> joelazot: you want to make it so you can spin up servers and have them configured "like that" as you need them, etc? 05:03 < joelazot> yeah 05:03 < joelazot> with ansible 05:03 < joelazot> etc 05:03 < Church-> killdash9: I know some good ones and I know some bad devops. :P 05:03 < joelazot> max efficiency 05:03 < Alternity> then ye you want solid CAS background 05:03 < joelazot> automation is cool 05:03 < Church-> All depends on the person I think. 05:03 < joelazot> CAS? 05:04 <@killdash9> majority of my job is unfucking the IaC deployments our frehs-faced college grads spit out because they have zero idea how to work at true large scale. 05:04 < joelazot> locely 05:04 <@killdash9> "It worked on my Ubuntu workstation" is not a valid testcase, you fucks. 05:04 < Church-> I try to be a good sys-engineer and make sure my company follows the devops cultural mores. 05:04 < joelazot> lovely* 05:04 < joelazot> >ubuntu workstation 05:04 < joelazot> cmon man 05:04 < joelazot> ew 05:04 <@killdash9> I've heard that more than you realize 05:05 < JollyRgrs> joelazot: you don't always get to choose what you have to deal with 05:05 < Church-> Oh no doubt. 05:05 < joelazot> yeah 05:05 < Church-> killdash9: Exactly, it worked at scale over a multitude of differing distro types. Well that'd be something else. 05:05 <@killdash9> "My college prof taught me that way". Dude, your prof hasn't been in the workforce since 1997. What he knows is shit 05:05 < joelazot> ^ 05:05 < Casteil> majority of my job is unfucking the IaC deployments our frehs-faced college grads spit out because they have zero idea how to work at true large scale. < from the development side of this, I definitely don't disagree haha 05:06 < Church-> Yeah to be honest for most profs, I listen but I also remembered they couldn't hack it in the work force. 05:06 < Casteil> not that I've had a lot of fresh faced developer underlings, but definitely firsthand experience with seeing things done poorly the first time around done 05:06 < Church-> He says having a 100 level prof as a class-mate two semesters later. 05:06 * killdash9 remembers he used to teach for Red Hat. But back then he admitted he didn't know everything. 05:06 < Church-> Heh, so you do now? 05:07 < Church-> Can I have your playbook? :P 05:07 < joelazot> JollyRgrs: does it ever make sense to not get a CS degree if you're planning on going into devops? 05:07 < Casteil> joelazot: No. 05:07 <@killdash9> never said I did now either. I just fake it pretty damn well after 25+ years 05:07 < Casteil> no matter what IT field you're in a CS degree will look good. 05:07 < Alternity> i regret not taking my programming classes seriously in uni 05:07 < JollyRgrs> joelazot: i mean, you don't need to know how to code in C or machine language... but devops will be a lot of high-end scripting in those languages that go in and out between scripting and coding 05:08 < Alternity> now i get to play catch up 05:08 < Nightcinder> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/3aIk1YpN/image.png computer cat 05:08 <+layer-eight> * Nightcinder → IMAGE/PNG Document, 1,819,677 bytes 05:08 <@killdash9> making it without a degree is still possible, but you've got to be motivated out the ass 05:08 < Alternity> and when you work fulltime it's way harder to catch up :) 05:08 < Alternity> also you are young, much easier to grasp complex CS concepts 05:08 < Alternity> you should be coding now tbh 05:08 < Alternity> learn powershell, learn python 05:08 < Casteil> I never did finish my engineering/CS degree but I'm doing well enough without it 05:08 < joelazot> I used to do alot of C# development 05:08 <@killdash9> I wish I could share what passes as 'scripting' from our automation team 05:08 < Casteil> what Alternity said 05:09 < Casteil> you don't necessarily HAVE to go to school to get development chops under your belt 05:09 < Alternity> anyway the fact you found this chat room puts you ahead of most ppl your age joelazot 05:09 < Casteil> sometimes the best coders are those that just picked it up on their own and went with it 05:09 < JollyRgrs> killdash9: so... they got a spot open? :P 05:09 < Alternity> most guys under <20 have other things ion their mind than proffesional career development xD 05:09 < Alternity> myself included back then 05:10 < Church-> killdash9: Heh, sanitize all PCI info and put it up on a self destructing pastebin? 05:10 < JollyRgrs> Church-: just think if a 2nd grader just took that learning how to code using minecraft class 05:10 < joelazot> I just know that i'm not gonna get any poon so why would i even try, Alternity 05:11 < Church-> Heh, christ. 05:11 < JollyRgrs> then immediately took a job on an autoamtion team 05:11 < Church-> killdash9: Oh I agree, my degree is unfinished. Been busting my ass since then and knew the right people to get my shot. 05:11 <@killdash9> I've shared bits with Jolly in the past. He can vouch that it was seemingly written by someone with severe head trauma 05:11 < Alternity> ye those kinds always make me feel super out of date 05:11 < Church-> It works but you have to bust ass and be constantly learning. Course I do that anyway, so eh. 05:11 < Alternity> you get the 20 y/o security researchers who have been debugging kernels since they were 10 05:11 * Church- says as he writes a fucking assembler from boredom. 05:12 < Casteil> joelazot: What I'd advise is to try to come up with an idea for a project 05:12 <@killdash9> Alternity: I've worked with those kinds many times. I feel so stupid aorund them 05:12 < Church-> Alternity: Eyep, they make me feel like a dinosaur already. 05:12 < Casteil> come up with a plan, and execute that plan 05:12 < joelazot> Casteil: I'll just automate fuckin everything 05:12 < Alternity> killdash9: thankfully they also usually have shit for social skills so i can at least feel like i have that going for me 05:12 < joelazot> kek 05:12 < Casteil> use the result for your profile 05:12 < Church-> killdash9: I try to just use it as motivation now. 05:12 < Church-> Thus me writing a working assembler. 05:12 < Casteil> or market it 05:12 < JollyRgrs> joelazot: you got any server boxes? or any extra desktops laying around? 05:12 < joelazot> JollyRgrs: I have a 2nd pc running ESXi 05:12 < JollyRgrs> setup a VM host, automate it 05:12 < Alternity> aws free tier if nothing else 05:13 < joelazot> i'll probably get that running KVM tomorrow 05:13 < joelazot> I'll also mess with AWS 05:13 < JollyRgrs> but use projects you WANT and or NEED to use 05:13 < joelazot> just cause aws is cool 05:13 < Casteil> one of my biggest downfalls is a lack of motivation to actually do something I don't *have* to do when I'm not at work... at least where software dev is concerned 05:13 < joelazot> JollyRgrs: yeah 05:13 < JollyRgrs> for example, i have two servers... one is freenas, the other is KVM on centos 05:13 < joelazot> cya 05:13 < joelazot> im off 05:13 <@killdash9> Casteil: that only gets worse as you get older. 05:13 < Casteil> AWS is a good avenue 05:13 < JollyRgrs> i have minecraft for the kids, Bind9, plex, and some other stuff 05:13 < Alternity> i got into tech from wanting to run CS 1.6 servers so i could be admin and ban people 05:13 < Casteil> killdash9: I don't lack motivation to keep my house/property looking nice 05:13 <@killdash9> If I ain't getting paid to learn it, I ain't even trying 05:13 < JollyRgrs> but they all run in VMs and i wrote some scripts to automate things 05:13 < Alternity> queue 13 y/o me trying to figure out how to run linux 05:13 < Casteil> killdash9: but yeah, ..that 05:14 < JollyRgrs> joelazot: biggest thing is... if you don't use it personally, you'll lose interest in the project and not finish it 05:14 < Casteil> my boss bought me the project management body of knowledge when he offered to help me get some certification 05:14 < Casteil> I've... not dedicated a lot of time to studying it 05:14 * Church- is lucky to have self-motivation to learn 05:14 < Alternity> PMP? 05:14 <@killdash9> current manager tried to tell me I needed to learn $new-tech-we-were-deploying on my own time and I told him to fuck off. 05:14 * Church- wonders where this was during school. 05:14 < Casteil> Alternity: Same material, but I'd be doing the CAPM 05:14 < Casteil> "junior PMP" basically 05:15 < JollyRgrs> you don't wanna go PMP... or you'll be stuck doing that forever 05:15 < Church-> PMP? 05:15 < JollyRgrs> and all you'll do is work with budget committees to get projects approved, then track the money as it goes 05:15 <@Nostalg14c> project management professional 05:16 < JollyRgrs> Church-: proj. management.... 05:16 < JollyRgrs> yeah 05:16 <@killdash9> ugh 05:16 < JollyRgrs> prof. 05:16 < Church-> Ugh. 05:16 < Church-> I'm good. 05:16 < Casteil> JollyRgrs: Yeah, I think I might swing that as my excuse for not actually getting the cert lol 05:16 < JollyRgrs> i mean, i love PMPs b/c they take care of the stuff i don't WANT to do 05:16 < Church-> I'm a builder, I like to build. 05:16 <@killdash9> so few _actual_ professionals 05:16 < Casteil> the PMBOK does have valuable information 05:16 < Alternity> well you gotta pick when you want to get out of the new tech rat race and into management 05:16 < enix> HOW DO YOU UNDERLINE THINGS IN RIC 05:16 < enix> IRC 05:16 < Casteil> but it's not all applicable to my position 05:16 < enix> *asd* 05:16 < Alternity> doing project management is a way to do that but avoid being a manager 05:16 < enix> no 05:16 < enix> _asd_ 05:16 <@killdash9> Alternity: fuck that. 05:16 < enix> OMG 05:16 < JollyRgrs> Alternity: i know that too well :( 05:16 < enix> _HOLY SHIT I HAVE LEARNED SOMETHING NEW_ 05:16 < Church-> Reminds me, need to go start brushing up on verilog so I can make a chip to run this assembler with. 05:16 < enix> AW 05:16 < JollyRgrs> Alternity: that's taking a latteral move... AT BEST 05:16 < enix> _enix is cool_ 05:17 < enix> _text_ 05:17 <@killdash9> that mind set that you _have_ to go management is everything wrong with so many companies 05:17 < enix> Hm. 05:17 < JollyRgrs> well, i mean, a really good PMP can make some money... 05:17 * Nostalg14c sets mode +mute on enix 05:17 < JollyRgrs> but most PMPs are all contract, and high stress 05:17 < enix> Nostalg14c: sorry just lost my shit for a second 05:17 < Alternity> killdash9: is it? most IT proffesionals in their 40s+ are gonna have kids and family 05:17 <@Nostalg14c> Just be thankful colours aren't enabled here. 05:17 <@killdash9> Alternity: uh huh 05:17 < Alternity> they are not going to want to spend their evening learning the latest fad 05:17 <@killdash9> and? 05:17 < enix> Nostalg14c: it'd end up like runescape's world 101 in varrock 05:17 < Alternity> so you can either do manglement 05:17 <@killdash9> Alternity: that's why you get the company to pay for it 05:17 <@Nostalg14c> Never played it hombre., 05:17 < Alternity> or you ahve to work for a company that has some kind of legacy system 05:17 < Casteil> things like risk identification/response/management? stakeholder management? QA? managing a team and communications? scope? all processes that can be applied to my current job 05:17 <@Nostalg14c> No idea how. 05:18 < Church-> killdash9: I think it's mainly the thought that ageism is a problem in tech, why pay old hands more when we can pay young/middle techs the same or less. So better to get into management where it's "safe." 05:18 < enix> Nostalg14c: that's your loss 05:18 < Casteil> estimating costs? contract related shit? procurement? really not applicable for me 05:18 <@killdash9> because, while I'm a grumpy fuck, I can fix in 30 seconds what it takes them 2 days. 05:18 <@Nostalg14c> Doesn't seem like it. 05:19 <@killdash9> Church-: and that's why IT has so many shitty managers 05:19 < Casteil> well, i mean, a really good PMP can make some money... < that was my idea behind it haha 05:19 < enix> I typically find advanced aged techs to be useless to be honest 05:19 < Church-> killdash9: Eyep. 05:19 < Casteil> PMPs bring in like 80-120k a year typically 05:19 < Alternity> killdash9: i'd suspect you are more the xception to the rule than the typical case 05:19 < JollyRgrs> Casteil: but those PMPs are high stress 05:19 < Casteil> but yes, it can be very high stress :( 05:19 < Alternity> most of us are not getting 500k job offers :P 05:19 < JollyRgrs> and you gotta study to get that PMP cert 05:19 < JollyRgrs> gotta put some time in before you get that 05:19 < enix> Blow it out your ass mate, I can't help that old farts are fucking useless 05:19 < enix> And remember this 05:19 < nohusuro> enix: how old is advanced age? 05:19 < enix> I WILL become that old fart one day 05:19 < Casteil> so I think I'll glean what I can from this book and continue primarily into software development 05:20 < Alternity> i know some guys in their 60s who make insane money working on AIX or COBOL or other legacy systems nobody understands anymore 05:20 < enix> nohusuro: I never really asked people, but you can tell when they're "advanced age" 05:20 < Casteil> I've learned that my software engineer is more backend oriented.. great with logic and data structures... garbage with frontend UX 05:20 < Alternity> a buddy's father is in his 70s and works like a week a year updating software for nuke silo's 05:20 < JollyRgrs> yup 05:20 < Alternity> makes six figures 05:20 < enix> Alternity: that's a little different though. It's like IBM techs making a lot of money 05:20 < nohusuro> enix: I think the younger generations know alot about how to make things happen with modern devices, but less so about how they work. 05:20 < enix> It's only because it's not really worth the time it takes to learn them 05:20 <@killdash9> and I can tell when there's a useless Millenial around as they judge old people as useless 05:20 < enix> nohusuro: I can't agree more with that 05:20 < Alternity> thats what i mean, you can go into management, work on a speciality legacy system or try to keep up with the kids and the latest tech 05:21 < Casteil> I give him some creative freedom hoping I don't drive him crazy with rigid requirements, but I think he actually likes completely rigid requirements >.> 05:21 < JollyRgrs> killdash9++ 05:21 < Church-> killdash9: To be fair, I know an equal amount useless fellow millenials and useless old fucks. 05:21 <@killdash9> Alternity: some people enjoy and can keep up with changes in tech. 05:21 < Casteil> and I can tell when there's a useless Millenial around as they judge old people as useless < uh, have you seen the average "old people" in accounting? 05:21 < Alternity> killdash9: i hope i can but i'm a pessimist by nature 05:21 <@killdash9> I've managed to since the 80s. And htings are just a bit different now 05:21 < Casteil> like holy fuck half of them can't even handle emailing properly 05:21 < nohusuro> I'd much rather an aged tech who's willing to try and learn / understand. Rather than the people I face on a daily basis who's excuse is always, "I don't understand technology" 05:22 < nohusuro> which is a piss poor excuse to be lazy and not use their brains 05:22 < enix> killdash9: I've met some fantastic people who are from the commodore 64 era. I have met some 'useless old fucks' who were fucking fantastic at what they did 05:22 < Alternity> nohusuro: if someone said that in IT I'd be helping them out the door 05:22 < enix> killdash9: but if I meet someone who's nearing retirement sitting in a level 1-2 support capacity I get worried 05:22 < nohusuro> Alternity: I'm not talking about IT folks in that sentence 05:22 <@killdash9> enix: if they are good at that and happy, why bother them? 05:22 < Alternity> enix: eh, some people are just happy where they are at 05:23 < Alternity> they love making 40k a year with zero stress, having fun chatting with coworkers and get sastisfaction from fixing printers 05:23 <@killdash9> not everyone wants to be an architect 05:23 < JollyRgrs> enix: my old job, there were ppl 15 yrs of service as a desktop tech 05:23 < Alternity> i have no issue with that, more sr positions for me 05:23 < JollyRgrs> replacing printers and keyboards, etc. 05:23 < enix> Okay maybe I can't empathize because I HATE support with 100% of my heart 05:23 < JollyRgrs> and honestly, they were not good at all at their job when it came to any type of troubleshooting 05:23 <@killdash9> L1-2 don't have to be on-call 24/7/365. They are on to something 05:23 < Alternity> i think those positions are also very likely to get outsourced and they have very bad job security 05:23 < enix> killdash9: everywhere I've worked, on-call was more intense for lv 1-2 05:23 < javi404> what SBCs are you guys using these days? 05:23 < Alternity> but it's their choice 05:24 < enix> But I accept your views 05:24 < Alternity> enxi: shit rolls dowhill 05:24 <@killdash9> last 15 years of my career L1-2 was follow-the-sun and no on-call 05:24 < nohusuro> I literally had a guy come into the office, under 30, saying he didn't know how to find word. He went as far as clicking the start menu, then saw all the panels and his brain shut down and he did nothing further. So I showed him you can just type it in. I wonder if he'll remember that 05:24 < Alternity> as sr admin you may not be on call as much, but when shit hits the fan you will still get called 05:24 <@killdash9> ^^^^^ 05:24 < JollyRgrs> ^^^ 05:24 <@killdash9> yeah, ask my eclipse story sometime if you wanna get me worked up 05:24 < enix> Alternity: In my sysadmin role, I had that issue once 05:25 < JollyRgrs> and most l1 stuff is now all in india anyways 05:25 < Church-> Ugh, this is 4 fucking nested match statements and a if else clause. 05:25 < Church-> I need to rewrite this. 05:25 < enix> Which required rocking up to work, same time as the aircon guys came in, then making sure things were okay which they were bceause fucking redundancy 05:25 <@killdash9> Mexico, China, Spain for us 05:25 < enix> Because as a sysadmin, we were on call 24/7 but didn't want to respond 24/7 05:25 < Alternity> also there is an issue of scale. 95% of r/sysadmin is people either doing one man IT, MSP work or SMB IT 05:25 < Alternity> my job title is sr admin, but i work for a <100 user dev shop 05:25 <@killdash9> I never, ever talk down to or about L1-2. Those guys keep the bullshit away from me. 05:25 < JollyRgrs> Alternity: but they are totes making that $150k salary in BFE, Kansas, right? 05:26 < Alternity> i'm probably be a jr at whever killdash9 works 05:26 < enix> +1 to that JollyRgrs 05:26 < javi404> killdash9: word 05:26 < enix> JollyRgrs: Wouldn't want to be them, but glad someones taking the reigns down there 05:26 < JollyRgrs> yup 05:26 < JollyRgrs> absolutely 05:26 < enix> JollyRgrs: I even started training the support techs to do a little bit more so I could do a little bit less :) 05:26 < enix> But it made their job a lot easier 05:26 < Casteil> Alternity: so basically you're a one man IT team? :P 05:27 < JollyRgrs> enix: always spend time teaching what you can 05:27 < Alternity> Casteil: 5 ppl on our infrastructure team atm 05:27 <@killdash9> Alternity: we need some Jrs. We are down 5 people in last two years. We had 7 sr Linux admins. We have 3 now. 05:27 < JollyRgrs> b/c it inevitably saves you time in teh future 05:27 < Alternity> we do a SaaS product 05:27 < Casteil> heh, nice 05:27 < enix> JollyRgrs: 100% 05:27 < Casteil> our company is growing, and quite frickin rapidly 05:27 < Alternity> killdash9: i'll hit you up once i knwo more linux :D 05:27 <@killdash9> headcount is open, but mgmt won't fucking pick someone. 2 years.... 05:27 < JollyRgrs> so, uh.... anyone else watching NBA finals? 05:27 < JollyRgrs> james just can't carry his whole team :P 05:28 < Casteil> I think we've probably got 150-190 people company wide, 2 people in "IT" and 2 people in software development for some in house software 05:28 <@killdash9> I've said hire me 2 jr admins and I'll train them. And save the company money 05:28 < Alternity> ye same, we doubled staff count in the last year 05:28 < JollyRgrs> poor thing 05:28 < enix> JollyRgrs: it's why I get so shitty at my current job; higher level's dont pass down their knowledge, so lower level techs can't help clients. At the same time, they expect level 3-dev support to be given by a single level 1 tech, with a distribution of about 50-100 clients each..... 05:28 < Alternity> half our staff is developers 05:28 < Casteil> (developing in-house software is pretty posh, by the way) 05:28 < Alternity> and they are hiring nonstop 05:28 < Alternity> agreed, i feel valued and respected for the most part 05:28 * enix rises 05:28 < Alternity> more so than IT at any previous job 05:28 * enix sits and chills 05:28 <@killdash9> I'll teach everything I know to the lower level guys that truly want to learn. That means more things I can offload 05:28 < enix> Alright hang on so let me ask this question 05:28 < enix> killdash9: you're a grumpy old fart yeah? 05:28 < enix> Screaming at kids to get off the lawn and shit 05:29 <@killdash9> enix: at work? Yeah. I'm kinda known for it. 05:29 <+CheckYourSix> killdash9: I wish you were hiring Juniors. I'd enjoy learning 05:29 < enix> But like... age wise... 40+? 05:29 < enix> If it's too personal dont answer 05:29 <@killdash9> but people know they can ask for help and I will do everything I can to help. While mumbling under my breath the entire time 05:29 < enix> lol 05:29 < enix> So 50+? 05:29 < enix> :P 05:29 <@killdash9> enix: my son is 22 05:29 < enix> ok 05:30 < JollyRgrs> killdash9 is 33/F/CA 05:30 <@killdash9> I've one foot in the grave and one on a banana peel 05:30 < enix> So my fear is that by the time my son is 22, my career will be all but redundant 05:30 <+CheckYourSix> killdash9 predates the Epoch 05:30 <@killdash9> ^^^ 05:30 < enix> Actually I dont know how to word this 05:30 < enix> Can you pat me on the head and tell me things will be okay hahaha 05:30 <@killdash9> most careers will be redundant in 20-30 years 05:30 < JollyRgrs> killdash9 also predates teh epcot 05:31 <@killdash9> that won't make you feel better though 05:31 < JollyRgrs> enix: that's why you gotta roll with teh punches 05:31 * killdash9 was in Florida the summer Epcot opened. 05:31 < JollyRgrs> keep up with the new tech 05:31 < enix> JollyRgrs: yeah exactly.. which reminds me 05:32 < Alternity> don't feel like you ahve to know the future 05:32 < Alternity> the reality is most of us will probably have very different job titles and roles in 20 years 05:32 <@killdash9> biggest tip I have. After about 18 months at your job, start looking around. In that time you've likely picked up enough new skills to move on and up. If you're still there at 3 years you need to really start thinking about why you're still there. 05:32 < Alternity> job titles that didn't even exist before 05:32 < Alternity> Sr FruitOps 05:32 < JollyRgrs> killdash9++++++++++++++++++ 05:32 < JollyRgrs> i hate saying it b/c i love staying at a company and being comfy 05:32 <@killdash9> if you stay longer than 5 years, you're going to be left behind and catching up is tough. Very tough 05:32 < xe0n> Señor shitkicker 05:32 < enix> killdash9: that's what I've been doing, but now whenever I apply for jobs theyre like "well... it looks like you bounce around a lot" 05:32 < JollyRgrs> but the best thing i did was start looking for a new job when i had a job already :) 05:33 < Alternity> yep you should be moving jobs every 2ish years until you hit the salary cap in IT 05:33 <@killdash9> enix: IT sector expects that. Ignore that statement from HR reps. 05:33 < xe0n> it's always easier to find a job when you've got a job :) 05:33 < JollyRgrs> merrit based raises are almost ghost 05:33 <+CheckYourSix> killdash9: Haven't you been at your job a few years now? 05:33 < JollyRgrs> and that 2% every year doesn't keep up with COL 05:33 < enix> killdash9: it's from hiring managers looking for 'epople to invest in' 05:33 <@killdash9> CheckYourSix: 4 years next month. And I'm looking 05:33 < Church-> killdash9: You ever watch Halt and Catch Fire on AMC? 05:33 <@killdash9> If I wanted to move to NYC I'd have a new job yesterday 05:33 < JollyRgrs> enix: you gotta know how to talk to it 05:34 <@killdash9> Church-: I lived it. ;P 05:34 <+CheckYourSix> Fuck living in NYC or around it 05:34 < Church-> killdash9: Come on down, I'll buy you lunch. :P 05:34 < Alternity> how about Pirates of Silicon Valley 05:34 < Alternity> that movie is gr8 05:34 <@killdash9> the money is stupid good in NYC though 05:34 < Church-> And heh no doubt, rewatching the show right now. Inspires me. 05:34 <+CheckYourSix> killdash9: How much? 05:34 < enix> killdash9: it's probably all spent on the rent though 05:34 <+CheckYourSix> COL is also ridiculous 05:34 < Alternity> it works out if you make enough money.... 05:34 <@killdash9> that number I said above wasn't make believe 05:34 < Church-> Depends on the position and experience. 05:34 <+CheckYourSix> $500k? 05:35 < enix> Holy shit... I just learned that Narwhals aren't mythological.... 05:35 < xe0n> Church-: previously on AMC's Halt and Catch Fire 05:35 < Church-> Nope. 05:35 < xe0n> lolol 05:35 < Church-> lol 05:35 <@killdash9> starting salary cap is $500-600k. 05:35 < xe0n> pirates is oldddd 05:35 < Church-> That show was damn great. 05:35 < xe0n> lol 05:35 < enix> "No one eats meat all that often, except in the Arctic, where Inuit and other groups traditionally got as much as 99 percent of their calories from seals, narwhals, and fish." 05:35 <+CheckYourSix> Holy shit, I need to get myself into a job in NYC. I'll take the train over from NJ every day 05:35 <@killdash9> but it's NYC 05:35 < enix> I was like "Narwhals? That's a made up animal..." ..... nope... 05:35 < Alternity> lol thats not every job in it 05:35 <@killdash9> I don't _do_ commutes. 05:35 < Church-> We'll you've also done just about everything old man. :P 05:36 < JollyRgrs> enix: nope, totes legit animal 05:36 < enix> JollyRgrs: I should petition the zoo to ge tone 05:36 < Alternity> +1 no commute 05:36 < JollyRgrs> my kid did a report on it in school 05:36 < Alternity> you can always make more money, you can never make more time 05:36 <@killdash9> so I'd have to live in Manhattan. There goes $100k right iff the top. Minimum 05:36 < Church-> killdash9: Had a position almost locked in that stalled, would've been a min 2hr commute everyday. 05:36 < Alternity> Church-: thank god 05:36 < Alternity> my commute is 7 minutes 05:36 <@killdash9> you're better off not getting it. 05:36 <+CheckYourSix> killdash9: My commute is 4 miles right now. I'd be willing to move to Hoboken and commute via train daily. 20 minutes each way or so. 05:36 < Alternity> i would enver commute more than 20 minutes 05:36 < Church-> Until I moved to Brk. Got a nice $700/month place there waiting for me. 05:36 < xe0n> my commute is 10 min now, swapped city for surf 05:37 < JollyRgrs> i remember hearing story about some guy in NYC doing HFT stuff... he was having to redo the tcp/ip stack to shave a few MICROSECONDS off of packet speeds by making a smaller header or something 05:37 < Church-> Or was it $500? Can never remember. 05:37 <+CheckYourSix> Church-: Damn, cheap for NYC 05:37 <@killdash9> my current drive is 4 miles. I bitch when I catch a couple lights and it takes 12 minutes 05:37 < JollyRgrs> killdash9 is such a princess :P 05:37 < Alternity> JollyRgrs: ya that stuff sounds like fun 05:37 < Casteil> my current drive is 2.5 miles, or about 5-6 min 05:37 <+CheckYourSix> killdash9: ++++ my commute takes 6-10 minutes depending on lights 05:37 <@killdash9> JollyRgrs: yep. That's the kind of shit I'd work on. 05:37 < Church-> CheckYourSix: Rent controlled. Been in the family like 40+ years now. 05:37 < Alternity> lots of fintech work with unlimted budgets 05:37 <+CheckYourSix> Church-: Ah 05:37 < Alternity> and i assume unlimited stress 05:37 <@killdash9> micro/nano seconds are life 05:37 < JollyRgrs> Alternity: but when they breathe down your neck "every day you don't get this done, we're losing 500mil" 05:37 < Casteil> sometimes traffic can get really shitty and it can take me 20-30 min instead of 5-6 min :| 05:37 < JollyRgrs> that's not the fun times 05:37 < Alternity> JollyRgrs: ya thats the unlimited stress part 05:37 <@Nostalg14c> Fucking Project Managers. 05:37 <@Nostalg14c> So retarded. 05:38 < JollyRgrs> yup 05:38 <@killdash9> losing a millisecond can cost the company $millions 05:38 < JollyRgrs> Nostalg14c: you wanna project manage? 05:38 < Church-> Mine is good. 05:38 < Church-> Course he's also the main dev. 05:38 <@Nostalg14c> no, PM'ing is for retards 05:38 < JollyRgrs> so i love my PMs :) 05:38 < JollyRgrs> no, only bad PMs are 05:38 <@Nostalg14c> aka 99% 05:38 < Alternity> ya good PM is invaluable, our new PM has turned our dev cycle around 05:38 < Church-> So, eh. Guy does fantastic work I think tbh. 05:38 < JollyRgrs> we've got at least 50% good 05:38 < JollyRgrs> Church-: main dev and PM? 05:38 < Alternity> PM's dont seem to make as much money as i thought though 05:38 < JollyRgrs> sounds bad... for someone 05:39 < Church-> Eyep. Small company. 05:39 < JollyRgrs> no 05:39 < Alternity> PMP was like, 100k? 05:39 <@killdash9> the hugh shuffle at current job means I might stay around a bit longer just to see what happens. I'm too invested now 05:39 < Alternity> seems low 05:39 < Church-> Heh 05:39 < Alternity> considering PMP cert is nontrivial to get 05:39 <@killdash9> managers don't make as much as you might think. I know I make more than mine 05:39 < JollyRgrs> Alternity: you could make higher than 100k... but you just gotta find the right company and have the right credentials 05:39 <@Nostalg14c> pm is like 100k minimum here 05:39 < Church-> killdash9: Well if you move down to NYC. Take me with you, every old admin needs their pfy. :P 05:39 <@killdash9> Church-: fuck, at that kinda cash I could hire one out of my own pocket 05:39 < Casteil> considering PMP cert is nontrivial to get < As someone who's studied the material somewhat, I can definitely vouch for this 05:40 < Alternity> if you haven't lived in nyc before.... it's a whole different ballgame 05:40 < Alternity> in prettyy much every respect 05:40 < Casteil> fuck NYC 05:40 < Alternity> however they do have amazing pizza slices for $1 on every corner 05:40 <@killdash9> seriously though. I told them if I did it, it would only be 3-5 years and I'd cash out. I coudl bank enough to retire 10-15 years early. 05:40 < Alternity> i miss that pizza so much :x 05:40 < Casteil> I can't see myself ever living in or near a big city 05:40 < Alternity> you can't get a good slice of nyc in the south 05:40 < Casteil> well 05:40 <@killdash9> I used to spend a full week in NYC every month. I know it well 05:40 < Casteil> anything much bigger than my current city 05:40 < Casteil> (which the metro area is ~1m people) 05:41 < JollyRgrs> welp, i'mma try to sign off early tonight 05:41 < JollyRgrs> c-ya! 05:41 < JollyRgrs> wouldn't wannna... 05:41 < JollyRgrs> BE YA! 05:41 < xe0n> cya JollyRgrs 05:41 * Church- likes the noise and what not. 05:41 <@killdash9> yeah, 'bout time to bail. Being an old man and all I need my naps 05:41 < Church-> Night JollyRgrs 05:41 < Church-> Heh, I hear that. 05:41 < Alternity> ya same i should go to sleep, past my bedtime 05:41 < Alternity> later 05:41 < Church-> Need to go get my ticker checked too. 05:41 < Church-> And my fucking hip. 05:42 < Church-> Christ, that smarts. 05:42 <@killdash9> I need to stay rested for 3rd interview in a few days. 05:42 <@killdash9> and I'm still only 20% on taking it if offered. 05:42 <@killdash9> l8s 05:43 <+NinjaStyle> killdash9: take it 05:44 < Casteil> shit. I meant to go to bed like.. hours ago 05:44 < Casteil> well mainly just start reading myself to sleep... reading a damn good book right now and read nearly 4 hours of it last night >.> 05:45 < MikeSpears> lol 05:45 <+NinjaStyle> I'm in East coast beat coast 05:46 <+NinjaStyle> Beast* 05:47 < Casteil> I have more coast than all of you! 05:47 < Casteil> (unless someone here is in alaska) 05:48 < Casteil> never mind 05:49 < Casteil> my water's fresh though 05:49 < Casteil> fresh AF 05:55 < enix> I expected Arch linux to be full of very smart users 05:55 < enix> Some of hte comments on the teamviewer aur are sad 05:55 < enix> " Because why not enable it, so we can use it right away? I dont think there are many users who install TV and then dont use it, but many who are a bit upset that the service isnt running after installation." 05:57 <@Nostalg14c> enix: why do people winge at such trivial shit. 05:57 < enix> No idea 05:58 < enix> Not sure arch/manjaro is going to be a good idea for a work pc though. A little bit too involved if shit breaks 06:01 < sideup66> gah 06:01 < sideup66> why did netflix pull family guy 06:23 < nojeffrey> enix work laptop been on manjaro for ~5 months 06:24 < nojeffrey> Every update something minor breaks, nothing major yet though 06:50 < enix> Interesting 06:50 < enix> I'm tempted because I like manjaro's i3 implementation, but that's where the interest ceases 06:58 <@Nostalg14c> is there 06:58 <@Nostalg14c> a simple way 06:58 <@Nostalg14c> to copy a file thats open (eg with nano/vim) in a terminal 06:59 <@Nostalg14c> so that it grabs entire lines. 06:59 < enix> :w asd 06:59 <@Nostalg14c> Rather than ending in $ 06:59 < nojeffrey> Go on #archlinux and type !whynotmanjaro !whynotmanjaro2 and !whynotmanjaro3 06:59 < enix> oh 06:59 < nojeffrey> heh 06:59 < enix> nojeffrey: ? 06:59 < enix> lmao 07:01 < nojeffrey> Then ask them for help, and say you are on Manjaro and it's bascailly the same as Arch 07:01 < enix> tha talso pisses them off 07:01 < enix> I felt bad for about two seconds.. then realized I couldn't give a shit 07:02 < enix> Nostalg14c: Do you want to yank or copy to clipboard 07:03 <@Nostalg14c> copy to clipboard 07:03 <@Nostalg14c> like i highlight a lot of shit 07:03 <@Nostalg14c> with the auto copy function of putty 07:03 <@Nostalg14c> but i want to highlight entire lines, idk if possible 07:03 <@Nostalg14c> without enabling some type of wordwrap. 07:04 < enix> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1620018/copy-all-the-lines-to-clipboard 07:04 <+layer-eight> * enix → vim - Copy all the lines to clipboard - Stack Overflow 07:04 <@Nostalg14c> how about in nano. 07:04 <@Nostalg14c> coz i don't use vim 07:04 <@Nostalg14c> noobmin amirite. 07:04 < enix> in shell, type alias=vim 07:04 < enix> then `yum -y install epel-release vim-enhanced` 07:04 < enix> then try reopening it 07:06 <@Nostalg14c> r u high 07:06 < enix> No just eliteist 07:07 < nojeffrey> Is skype in O365 dead? 07:07 < enix> no it works 07:07 < nojeffrey> or being replaced by Teams? 07:07 <@Nostalg14c> no 07:07 < nojeffrey> Hmm, ok 07:07 <@Nostalg14c> SfB is very much alive. 07:07 < xe0n> <3 sfb 07:08 < enix> So I'm part of a daily email blast from one of our client which includes 'funnies' and half naked pics of chicks 07:08 < xe0n> sweet 07:08 < xe0n> blondes? 07:08 < enix> One of the emails he sends is dedicated to what he perceives as 'beautiful women', and the number of rangas is actually starting to scare me 07:08 < xe0n> i dont mind a good ranga 07:08 < xe0n> i've seen some stunning ones actually lol 07:09 < nojeffrey> Switching to 0365 in a few months, but cannot see it, even under admin: https://i.imgur.com/lhhXkOX.png 07:09 <+layer-eight> * nojeffrey → IMAGE/PNG Document, 54,981 bytes 07:09 < nojeffrey> On Business Premium 07:10 <@Nostalg14c> nojeffrey: what license? 07:10 < nojeffrey> E3 I think 07:10 < nojeffrey> If I find me in admin, Skype for Business Online (Plan 2) is set to ON 07:11 <@Nostalg14c> umm, go to the central administration page 07:11 <@Nostalg14c> and then look for the sfb admin portal. 07:12 <@Nostalg14c> bot left. 07:12 < nojeffrey> Found it, let me go through this admin center, find where I can enable it 07:14 < enix> two days and i'm fucking gone 07:15 < enix> Thank fuck I no longer have to deal with this place any more 07:17 <@Nostalg14c> :) 07:17 <@Nostalg14c> Just packup now. 07:17 <@Nostalg14c> Use that sick leave boyo. 07:18 < xe0n> enix: it just means you'll manage bullshit somewhere else, every company has it lol 07:20 < enix> I took a day off last week, but the gm here is pretty vindictive 07:22 < enix> xe0n: nah this job is worst than working for a MSP... it's pretty bad. With proper management and SLA's it would be a fantastic job, but it's so badly managed that something as simple as sending kit to a client can become a fuckery 07:22 < enix> At least in my new job I'll basically sit where our GM is sitting in the organizational structure, so I'll be able to do everything the way it needs to be done 07:22 < xe0n> so you think... 07:22 < xe0n> so you're going to be the new guy who comes in and suggests radical change? 07:23 < xe0n> and then realise that if everyone else isn't on board, it fails? haha i hope not :) 07:23 < xe0n> but a new job is like a fresh start, so sweet 07:23 < xe0n> dont hold onto the bullshit at your current place, which im sure you wont lol 07:23 < xe0n> or you've already let go and just going through the motions 07:23 < enix> Nope; going to be the new guy who comes in, learns everyones name and learns the entire infrastructure, makes slight improvements here and there, then spends his nights planning out minor changes where needed 07:24 < enix> Did it at my last sysadmin job. Basically just learned everything then sat there every day working on personal projects because I automated most of my job :) 07:24 < xe0n> spend the night dude, spend the night not working lol 07:25 < xe0n> yeah moonlighting isn't something good lol 07:25 < enix> During normal operations 100% 07:26 < enix> But during the learning process, I spend a lot of my time consumed in work. Normally by the end of the first or second month I've come out with a really good understanding of how everythings connected and functions, so the rest of the months are spent sitting in this channel complaining about being bored 07:26 < joelazot> Back from work 07:27 < enix> I'm just super excited to have my own place!! :D 07:27 < enix> A whole duplex all to myself! 07:27 * enix is shopping for a new 55" TV 07:29 <@Nostalg14c> portal.office.com is dead for me rn 07:29 <@Nostalg14c> good times. 07:29 < sideup66> gah 07:29 < sideup66> almost time to do work things 07:29 < xe0n> enix: you moving into your own pad? 07:32 < joelazot> How is everyone? 07:35 < xe0n> flat out 07:35 < xe0n> crazy day 07:37 < enix> Yeah, the city i live in now has an average price of $1,000,000 for houses and apartments are like $600,000+ 07:37 < enix> So moving somewhere where houses have an average price of $450,000-$600,000, depending how many thousands of square metres you want 07:38 < enix> Renting a duplex in the interim which is super close to work while I get myself established. I'm extremely excited. Finally flying the family home at fucking 26 07:39 <@Nostalg14c> meh 07:39 < togenshi> enix: so you living rural now? 07:39 <@Nostalg14c> miles ahead of a lot of people 07:39 < xe0n> enix: your syd yeah? 07:39 < enix> togenshi: hells yeah; working at a zoo too 07:39 < MillerBoss> Watching https://youtu.be/otysqrBT7ko I remember doing DVD to XBOX. Was so nice 07:39 <+layer-eight> * MillerBoss → ⚓ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otysqrBT7ko&feature=youtu.be → YouTube → The Original Xbox is still awesome - Softmod, BIOS Flash, Compact Flash HDD, Games, Emulators → ⚘ 982,853 ↑ 19,108 ↓ 767 ✍ 2,800 07:39 < enix> xe0n: at the moment yeah, moving to sunshine coast 07:39 < enix> Nostalg14c: That's fucking sad hey 07:39 < xe0n> lol dude, i live on the sunny coast 07:39 < MillerBoss> And xbins 07:40 <@Nostalg14c> enix: idk, its fair enough for some people to live at home if they have that opporunity available to them. 07:40 < togenshi> there is a town north from here, Jurien Bay that has houses going for $500k+. Its 2.5 hours drive north of the CBD... 07:40 < enix> I have mates that are turning 30, have AMGs and shit but don't have a house because they're too smart to buy one in Sydney but dont want to spend in another state 07:40 <@Nostalg14c> But also means they don't fucking grow up either. 07:40 < enix> Nostalg14c: It's not fair enough if you're trapped in that house 07:40 < togenshi> i aren't getting a house either 07:40 < xe0n> enix: you'll like the sunny coast, i moved up from melb last year 07:40 < togenshi> to be locked in a 30 year contract is balls 07:41 < enix> togenshi: you're WA are ya? I thought you westeners were meant to have a decent housing market 07:41 < enix> xe0n: you're in the sunny coast??? 07:41 < togenshi> yeah in perth 07:41 < xe0n> enix: yeah dude, live in noosa lol 07:41 < enix> xe0n: shit ay I'll be in beerwah 07:41 < xe0n> haha nice 07:41 <@Nostalg14c> enix: its bottoming out at the moment. 07:42 <@Nostalg14c> Depends heavily on the area though. 07:42 < enix> That's mental. We should get a beer after I've settled :P 07:42 < xe0n> sure 07:42 < xe0n> you better get into surfing 07:42 < enix> If I can lose 20kg and someone teaches me 07:43 < enix> Nostalg14c: At least you have affordable areas though. our ghetto is still a stretch 07:43 < togenshi> i have too many physical assets for an apartment :( 07:44 < enix> It's really upsetting too because "out west" in sydney was majority blue collar families without much in the way of family wealth or assets, but now even the 'scummiest' ie cheapest, most down-to-earth areas are so expensive that the people with the least money are being setup for failure 07:44 < xe0n> syd is a shithole 07:44 < xe0n> i'd never want to live there, it's just junk. 07:44 < xe0n> i swapped city for surf, couldn't be happier 07:44 < togenshi> 2 motorbikes, 2 cars (trying to fix one to get rid of it) and bunch of camping/computer/car parts gear 07:45 < enix> So you have families scraping by, parents skimping on personal 'luxuries' like new clothes and upgrading their cars just to send kids to half decent schools, all buying these $700,000 houses in high-crime (break-in + more) areas, with their kids growing up around drug dealers 07:45 < enix> Only to have the economy take a hit in less than 10 years time and potentially go bankrupt 07:45 < enix> togenshi: your life sounds like mine 07:45 < togenshi> also note to self, drop a database first rather than restore over it 07:46 < togenshi> the other issue is that I use my items for their intended purposes so not much money back on resale 07:46 < enix> xe0n: Sydney is fantastic if you have the right circles. My circle consists of over grown rich kids and business owners, so we have a lot of fun hanging out at each others businesses and building different things like events 07:47 < enix> I'll miss it, but holy shit the sea change has been calling me for a while 07:49 < togenshi> Brisbane is really fun for motorbike riding, shame about the cops though 07:49 < enix> togenshi: why is that an issue though? You're basically the same as me in the regard but you can still get out there and do this and that 07:50 < enix> Although I just sold a vehicle, so my fleets sitting a measly four toys :( 07:50 < xe0n> over grown rich kids, as in ones who still live at home? haha 07:50 < togenshi> cause a accumulate a tonne of crap that is barely passable to sell 07:50 < xe0n> but yeah, syd is a shit hole... lol 07:50 < xe0n> the roads do my head in 07:50 < xe0n> but hey they did up here for a bit as well, melb is all about gridding ti haha 07:51 < togenshi> Melbourne is fine if you are a hipster 07:51 < enix> xe0n: yeah haha my mate makes six digits, drives around in an AMG with his other AMG buddies, eats BIG meals, buys heaps of expensive shit, has a bedroom bigger than most apartments and decks it out in tech 07:51 < xe0n> belive it or not, sunny coast topped melb in the hipster poll the other week lol 07:51 < enix> Still living at home, but doesn't give a shit 07:51 < enix> I'd beleive it 07:51 < xe0n> still lives at hom eloll 07:51 < xe0n> "i have a big bedroom" 07:52 < togenshi> I live at my parents place but my parents are currently living in brisbane 07:52 < xe0n> my mate is under 30, less than 100k left on his place in Bli Bli 07:52 < enix> Fuckin' bli bli 07:52 < xe0n> in palmwoods, nice area 07:52 < enix> I feel like a retard every time i mention it 07:52 < xe0n> dude it isnt that bad lol 07:52 < xe0n> and you cant talk, beerwah lol 07:52 < enix> hahahha 07:52 < enix> Glasshouse Mountains actually 07:52 < enix> :P 07:52 < xe0n> next you'll go to nambour 07:53 < MillerBoss> Am I in the right channel or is this #aussieland? 07:53 < MillerBoss> :P 07:53 < enix> xe0n: I looked there! Fuck that. 07:53 < xe0n> LOL! 07:53 < enix> MillerBoss: It's stil lthe aussie shift mate 07:53 < MillerBoss> I know I know. Just teasing 07:53 < enix> yankidoodles take over in about two hours 07:53 < togenshi> Glasshouse mountains are amazing for 4wd/motocross/riding 07:53 < xe0n> 4wd rocks 07:53 < enix> s/riding/getting abducted 07:53 <+layer-eight> [SED enix/togenshi] Glasshouse mountains are amazing for 4wd/motocross/getting abducted 07:53 < MillerBoss> I am sure you guys can get rather sick of all the USA talk too 07:53 < togenshi> 4wds are another money sink 07:53 < enix> Yeah no shit 07:54 < xe0n> my mates up here are into it 07:54 < xe0n> got a cuople of 80 series, GUs 07:54 < xe0n> etc.. 07:54 < xe0n> good fun 07:54 < togenshi> i got a GU 07:54 < xe0n> sweet 07:54 < togenshi> shame about the engine >.< 07:54 < enix> I bought a daihatsu F310 lifted etc and putting a new engine in... fucking hell 07:54 < xe0n> you watch 4wd action, with Graham and Shauno? 07:55 < togenshi> na, though there is a duo on 4wd action that makes me cringe. I usually follow Ronny Dahl 07:55 < xe0n> LOL that'll be graham and shauno 07:55 < xe0n> you got a waeco in your gu? 07:55 < xe0n> lol 07:55 < togenshi> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChz00vupzP_mNPIYD8GSmBw 07:55 < xe0n> dont forget the max tracks :P 07:56 <+layer-eight> * togenshi → Ronny Dahl - YouTube 07:56 < togenshi> 80L engel 07:56 < togenshi> older photo of it: https://imgur.com/EGdKEzM 07:56 <+layer-eight> * togenshi → IMGUR Image → Image/jpeg → a year ago → 4032x2268 → ⚘ 0 07:57 < enix> Fuuuuuck... a 4x4 manual D21 just popped up for 5k 07:57 < togenshi> dude, I was close to buying a Suzuki Sierra 07:57 < enix> https://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Nissan-Navara-1996/SSE-AD-5481893/?Cr=33 07:58 < enix> You should; i've seen some dope sierras 07:58 < togenshi> just strap some tractor tubes and do some water crossings 07:59 < enix> sub 10k 4x4 dual cab ute recommendations? 07:59 < enix> I've been looking but don't know them well enough 08:04 < vader-> Any of you guys accept a job offer and then still continue to interview? 08:04 <@Nostalg14c> Nope. 08:05 < enix> no that's a dick move 08:05 <@Nostalg14c> That's pretty bad. 08:05 <@Nostalg14c> If you're still going to interview, don't accept. 08:05 < enix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWY47bW8K3s 08:05 <@Nostalg14c> just buy some time. 08:05 <+layer-eight> * enix → YouTube → Rick and Morty Clip Dick Move → ⚘ 50,420 ↑ 263 ↓ 11 ✍ 28 08:06 < enix> You can 100% ask for a couple of days to consider the position, then contact the other places you're interviewing at 08:06 < vader-> i just don't understand hehe... i have been job searching for a year and a half... i finally get an offer this week and a flood of interview requests have come in just today 08:06 < enix> lol 08:06 < enix> standard man 08:06 < vader-> its absolutely crazy 08:06 < vader-> mind boggling 08:06 < enix> I got the offer at the zoo then a radio station near that zoo offered me a job 08:06 < xe0n> aussie zoo? 08:06 < xe0n> crickey 08:07 < enix> yessir 08:07 < xe0n> mixfm? 08:07 < vader-> and on top of it, i was just on a discovery 1 day thing this week to spec out a large job that could potentially be millions and last 4-5 years 08:07 < xe0n> lol 08:07 < enix> xe0n: ummm 08:07 < enix> 4SSS 08:07 < enix> yeah I think mix fm 08:07 < enix> sunny coast media; I know the IT guy there through work and have helped them out a bit remotely 08:07 < enix> tbh was a very difficult choice 08:08 < xe0n> thought so, they're on nicklin way 08:08 < enix> oh wow i drove past them and didn't notice them lol 08:10 < xe0n> so you're doing it at aussie zoo? 08:10 < xe0n> sweet 08:10 < enix> Yeah sysadmin there in a couple weeks. Keen as a bean... except the uniforms a little different for me :P 08:11 * enix is wearing denim trackies and a tshirt 08:11 < xe0n> that'd be a cool gig 08:12 < enix> hopefully yeah 08:12 < xe0n> sunny coast is a great place 08:12 < xe0n> and yeah, get yourself a board and start learning to love the water 08:13 < enix> Hopefully. I want to get into a fourby when I get my license back and start getting out to the trails with my mtb 08:13 < enix> Just need to try find somewhere to practice my stunt riding 08:14 < enix> Trying to find somewhere realtively close to the beach with enough land for a 100x100 burnout pad but I don't think that's realistic hey haha 08:16 < plop> morning 08:17 < enix> hiyo 08:18 < packeteer> evening :P 08:19 < enix> same same 08:20 < plop> wanna see a techsupport gore i found inside our fire alarm system? 08:20 < enix> sure 08:20 < enix> that's my standard response to "*wanna see*gore*" 08:21 < plop> so, we put this module to connecto to the network and send alarms to the central 08:21 < enix> oh god 08:21 < plop> but there was no space to put it 08:22 < plop> and the birghtest of them all did this https://imgur.com/a/m43uKRW 08:22 <+layer-eight> * plop → IMGUR Album → a few seconds ago → 1 Image → ⚘ 0 08:22 < xe0n> enix: yural forest, up near Cooroy 08:22 < xe0n> plenty of 4wd places 08:22 < xe0n> ive been getting into it while i've been here, mates are already kitted up 08:22 < xe0n> i might buy a truck next year 08:23 < xe0n> for now, i have a shot of theirs 08:23 < plop> a truck? do you need to transport servers arround 08:23 < enix> plop: what the fuck... 08:23 < xe0n> loll 08:23 < enix> xe0n: I really want an american truck tbh 08:23 < plop> enix, yeah i know. but it is not my department... i just provided network connectivity 08:23 < enix> one of those huge ass things 08:24 < enix> xe0n: what're you looking at though 08:27 < xe0n> will be a GU or 80 series 08:28 < xe0n> but i want a few other things first :P 08:28 < enix> not going a ute? 08:28 < xe0n> i could go a ute, mate is selling his hilux, so i might grab that, was thinking it 08:29 < enix> It's a bloody hard choice hey 08:30 < xe0n> im not a car guy, but i'd lov to get into 4wd, it's great fun 08:31 < xe0n> being here is all about beign active 08:31 < enix> cars are a hard thing to get into , at least you have mates to help 08:31 < enix> That makes all the difference ay 08:31 < xe0n> yeah, so that helps 08:32 < xe0n> i love the water though 08:32 < xe0n> noosa main beach 08:32 < xe0n> just paradise. 08:32 < enix> isnt it mad busy though 08:32 < xe0n> i've sat at the surf club all day and just drank while looking out at the water 08:32 < xe0n> it's busy...in holiday periods 08:32 < enix> ahhh 08:32 < xe0n> wait till you see sunny coast in normal times, it's pretty dead lol 08:33 < enix> we went during the surf comp and i just though 'yeah fuck this'. didn't get to go into the water though was just driving around 08:33 < xe0n> holiday periods, you get an extra 400,000 people up here 08:33 < xe0n> well yeah, busy time... 08:33 < xe0n> lol 08:33 < enix> i hate a busy beach 08:33 < xe0n> hastings st is dead on a weeknight 08:33 < enix> hilariously though; we went to bondi during summer but it started to rain when we got there 08:33 < enix> Not heavy, just light 08:33 < xe0n> doesnt stop anyone from surfing 08:33 < enix> Everyone evacuated the beach because you couldn't possibly get wet during a visit to the beach 08:34 < xe0n> same thing here, it's raining this week, but still people are going for a surf 08:34 < xe0n> i bought a new steamer the other day just for that, fuck it, if waves are tehre, im going for a surf 08:34 < enix> So I made the missus stick around with me saying "yeah it'll clear up soon". It cleared up, blared sunlight, completely EMPTY bondi beach 08:34 < enix> steamer? 08:34 < xe0n> wetsuit 08:34 < enix> ha 08:34 < enix> an apt name 08:35 < enix> Those things are weird. I wore one once... it was odd 08:37 < xe0n> they suck in summer, good in winter 08:37 < xe0n> in summer, boardies and sun top 08:39 < xe0n> you'll need to get used to shops closing early 08:39 < xe0n> and only 1 late night shopping, thursday lol 08:39 < xe0n> at the pllaaaazzzaaa or Kawana lol 08:39 < enix> I used to live in mackay before sunday trading :P 08:39 < enix> I'm well accustomed 08:39 < enix> lol 08:39 < xe0n> hahah 08:39 < enix> But I'll be getting groceries delivered because no license 08:39 < enix> thank you very much coles 08:39 < xe0n> dude you'll struggle up here with no license 08:39 < xe0n> you need a car lol 08:40 < xe0n> or the missus is driving you around? 08:40 < enix> I know. I get it back october 10 luckily though 08:40 < enix> Nah bicycle to work (i know i know), then october I'll be on the bike for most stuff until I can afford the fourby 08:41 < xe0n> bicycle 08:41 < xe0n> lolll 08:42 < enix> yeah not looking forward to it 08:42 < enix> luckily it seems to be flat 08:42 < xe0n> youll be that guy on the motorway everyone avoids lol 08:42 < enix> I refuse! 08:42 < enix> I rather ride through mud 08:42 < xe0n> gold 08:43 < Church-> Hmm, reading an article on mass IT job layoffs in India. I wonder what the socio-economic-politico climate is like because of it. 08:43 < enix> Church-: it's india; so same as normal.... 08:43 < enix> fucked. 08:43 < Church-> Heh, the thought had crossed my mind. 08:43 < enix> And I'm not being racist this time. We conduct business in india and I would much rather shoot myself than calculate GST over there 08:44 < Church-> Course that's just about any country to be honest if they cut busy-work/superfluous jobs. 08:44 < xe0n> oh man, indians in IT are tough 08:44 < enix> s/in IT/on the bus 08:44 <+layer-eight> [SED enix/xe0n] oh man, indians on the bus are tough 08:44 < enix> s/tough/cunts 08:44 <+layer-eight> [SED enix/xe0n] oh man, indians in IT are cunts 08:44 < Church-> So many office jobs that are uneeded over here. 08:45 < enix> unneeded in india? 08:45 < enix> Try India as a whole. I don't understand people outsourcing over there when literally entire teams over there can be replaced by a single person over here sometimes 08:47 < Church-> enix: Well I was talking about America, but yeah/ 08:47 < enix> yeah it's everywhere 08:47 <+ktechmidas> Hah, this book did not age well... "A computer cannot process your payroll without detailed instructions, much like a car cannot start itself and drive itself round the block" 08:47 < enix> lol... 08:50 < plop> r/selfhosted is interesting enough 08:50 < enix> bookmarked, as a thank you: https://github.com/Kickball/awesome-selfhosted 08:50 <+layer-eight> * enix → GitHub → Kickball → awesome-selfhosted → This is a list of Free Software network services and web applications which can be hosted locally. Selfhosting is the process of locally hosting and managing applications instead of renting from SaaS providers. → @ ~ 2 days ago → JavaScript → ✡ 23,790 → Forks: 1,932 → ☹ 64 08:52 < plop> hehe 08:53 < enix> After I move and have the headspace/time, I want to go through every single thing he has in that blog and blog installing it 08:53 < plop> all in the same server. 08:53 < enix> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-03/microsoft-is-said-to-have-agreed-to-acquire-coding-site-github 08:53 <+layer-eight> * enix → Buying GitHub Would Take Microsoft Back to Its Roots - Bloomberg 08:53 < enix> Do you think microsoft saw the private repo hosting fee's and were just like "oh, we know how to avoid that!" 08:55 < plop> nah. they will have some bots to analyze potential software and maybe adapt 08:55 < enix> oh shit yeah 08:55 < enix> OH SHIT 08:56 < enix> That's one way to start scanning private repos. can't tell if I should start adding awesome code to land a cushy M$ job or if I should run like the wind 08:56 <@Nostalg14c> any grok wizards about 08:56 * enix runs 08:56 * enix hides 08:57 < enix> Nostalg14c: that's the string manipulation thing that ELK uses yeah 08:57 <@Nostalg14c> ye 08:57 * enix cringes 08:57 < enix> Just.. ask your question 08:57 < enix> I MIGHT be able to help 08:57 < enix> BUt absolutely zero warranty is provided 08:58 <@Nostalg14c> Has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like? 08:58 < xe0n> you'll love riding home in the dark enix 08:58 < xe0n> it's pretty much dark here lol 08:58 < enix> xe0n: what times sunrise? 08:59 < xe0n> in winter, about 6.20 or so 08:59 < xe0n> summer, 4.30 08:59 < xe0n> lol 08:59 < enix> jesus what 08:59 < enix> you're kidding right 08:59 < xe0n> nope 08:59 < xe0n> by 5 in summer, im out surfing 08:59 < enix> i do not remember that ... 08:59 < xe0n> days start early here, end early too 08:59 < xe0n> so you'll adjust, i slowly have 08:59 < enix> OHHHH that explains a LOT 08:59 < enix> Whenever I stay with my rents in Mackay, I'd wake up really fucking early and I could never understand why 09:01 < enix> Hm... might be able to do the 7am to 4pm shift a lot easier than 09:02 < enix> brb 09:02 < xe0n> thats a normal shift here 09:02 < xe0n> i do 7 - 3:30 09:02 < xe0n> but here i am at 5, still here :P 09:02 < xe0n> bussssyy 09:02 < xe0n> but in summer i make sure i get out on time, go for a surf after work 09:05 < xe0n> anyways, home time 09:07 < Church-> Hmm I need to send my next round of applications out. 09:07 < enix> cya xe0n chat soon 09:08 < enix> wonder if i could create a process that spawns new systemd configs to manage my task list and the time i spend on it 09:08 < enix> systemd start tasklist.taskname 09:08 < enix> systemd stop tasklist.taskname 09:11 < enix> penis.land is available to be registered 09:12 < voidstar> stop, I need to cut back frivolous spending 09:12 < enix> Yeah I shouldn't check the price 09:12 < enix> oh it's not available thank god 09:12 < enix> Although I can think of some cool ecommerce ideas for 'penis.rest' 09:13 < enix> vim.guru is available 09:13 < enix> holy fuck 09:13 < enix> $30usd / year... fuck 09:13 < voidstar> PLS STOP 09:14 < enix> OMG I REALLY WANT TO SETUP A VIM LEARNING GUIDE 09:14 < voidstar> INTERACTIVE? 09:14 < enix> YOU CODE IT I'lL HOST IT DEAL? 09:14 < voidstar> fuck frontend 09:14 < enix> Fuck I can't do it... my renewal bill is $300 this month 09:15 < voidstar> fuck your wallet 09:15 < voidstar> amirite 09:15 < enix> yuhp :( 09:15 < enix> I'm dropping a couple useless registrations though, but keeping the domains I've registered out of spite for certain people 09:16 < voidstar> “Resentment is like drinking poison and waiting for the other person to die. ” 09:16 * enix sips his cup of poison while opening a new line of credit 09:18 <@Nostalg14c> ffs 09:22 <@Nostalg14c> Time to takea a break. 09:23 < enix> have a kit kat 09:23 <@Nostalg14c> I wish. 09:23 < voidstar> time to take up smoking again? 09:23 < enix> ooooo do that 09:23 < enix> Nostalg14c: do that right now 09:25 <@Nostalg14c> ;Never started, never will. 09:25 <@Nostalg14c> Substances don't bode well with me. 09:31 < MillerBoss> Sup plop 09:34 * xe0n chops a mix 09:35 < enix> yeewww 09:35 < enix> laters haters off I go to venture into the darkness. 09:36 <@Nostalg14c> cya 09:43 < plop> hey MillerBoss 09:44 < MillerBoss> Whats the good word there? 09:45 < xe0n> beetlejuice 09:45 < plop> not much besides i opened the fire alarm central and i found this 09:45 < plop> https://imgur.com/a/m43uKRW 09:45 <+layer-eight> * plop → IMGUR Album → an hour ago → 1 Image → ⚘ 0 09:46 < MillerBoss> What does it do? 09:46 < MillerBoss> Looks like some type of RF card on there like Wi-Fi or bluetooth too 09:46 < MillerBoss> Right? 09:49 < plop> well it is just a shitty thing to connect the fire alarm to their central 09:50 < plop> but it has a sim card and you set it up sending text messages with the ip and mask lol 09:50 < plop> it's crazy 09:50 < MillerBoss> So its uses cellular as a back up right? 09:51 < plop> MillerBoss, nope. cell just for set up. the sim card is not there anymore. he used his own cell phone sim card 09:51 < plop> i do have balanced wans. so 09:53 < MillerBoss> Wow that is interesting for sure 09:53 < plop> but, again. bubble wrap and tape? really? 09:55 < togenshi> Nostalg14c: I need to do grok patterns soon too, I really don't want to though 10:13 < hello_kitty> So I've been making service files, and using daemon reload and then I can start/stop services as if everything is fine. None of them autostart after rebooting tho, despite configs looking okay (well, i'm a newb). I've never used `sudo systemctl enable foo.service` -- is that the reason for the lack of boot startup? 10:13 < hello_kitty> just read a tut that says there needs to be a symlink: /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/service.service -> /usr/lib/systemd/system/service.service 10:14 < hello_kitty> (ubuntu, systemd) and [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target 10:15 < togenshi> did you do systemctl daemon-reload 10:15 < hello_kitty> i did do that part 10:16 < hello_kitty> and they restart on failure, and i can start/stop them with systemctl or service commands 10:16 < hello_kitty> but i've never tried 'enable' 10:16 < hello_kitty> so maybe i just had some newb luck and havent been using systemd correctly 10:25 < surfinalive> just setup openflixr on esxi 6.0 and I'm having trouble mounting the directories correctly using webmin 10:26 < toine42> hello_kitty: systemctl enable foo.service is required to have auto start of service on boot 10:27 < toine42> it should handle for you the creation of the symbolic link 10:33 < hello_kitty> any suggestions for using ansible to make a service? maybe just ansible copy the file in there, and then ansible service (enabled:yes, so the boot thing gets fixed) 10:37 < hello_kitty> oh there is a systemd ansible module, even better (For teh enabled part, at least) 10:37 < hello_kitty> and the daemon reload 10:37 < togenshi> ansible isn't really a service, its a script you use on demand or at scheduled times 10:38 < togenshi> there is ansible tower though 10:38 < togenshi> but thats a paid solution 10:38 < hello_kitty> oh im just trying to use ansible to go enable all these services that i incorrectly deployed 10:38 < jumi> morning 11:21 < FenJai_> Morning all 11:22 < FenJai_> Can anyone recommend a good laptop vendor in the UK ? I need to order a new laptop and have it delivered by tomorrow morning 11:53 < jumi> FenJai_: amazon? 11:55 < FenJai> Maybe amazon 11:55 < FenJai> Lets find out 11:55 < FenJai> Cheers jumi 12:08 < ny0x> ez 12:09 <+ihre> pz 12:26 < jumi> yay, arctic silver finally arrived 12:29 <+ihre> gonna do some overclocking jumi? 12:41 < jumi> nope 12:41 < jumi> gonna install a Xeon on my microserver 12:41 < jumi> 69w cpu in a 35w heatsink 12:41 < jumi> what could go wrong? 12:42 < jumi> I was planning on changing it a for a low-profile noctua cooler but the gen8's mounting holes are not standard size so I would have to dremel the mounting plates and I do not feel like doing that 12:44 < xe0n> ive got a g8 micro up stairs 12:47 < FenJai> Nice 12:48 < FenJai> I think I need to go with something like a NUC or micro. My franken-build is showing its age 12:48 <+ihre> wanna buy a dell r220 FenJai ? :> 12:50 < FenJai> Much as I would love to, ihre Im pretty sure the SO would not be happy 12:50 <+ihre> we'll trade 12:50 <+ihre> np 12:51 < FenJai> Why dont you like the r220 ? Too loud ? 12:51 <+ihre> no, its pretty quiet, but i've shut down my home lab in favor of a lower power bill :P 12:52 <+ihre> havent turned it on once in the last 3-4 months 12:53 <+ihre> also some supermicro with 2 2630v3s and 64g ddr4 for sale, but still have to transfer its data somewhere else :P 12:53 <+ihre> or a 4 port ipkvm 12:56 < FenJai> Im very tempted 12:56 < FenJai> Do you have details listed anywhere ? 12:57 <+ihre> of that r220? 12:57 < FenJai> Also, where are you based ? I imagine shipping is going to be pretty pricey 12:57 <+ihre> NL 12:58 < FenJai> Hmm. Im in the UK 12:58 <+ihre> brb 13:12 < humpaxx> Hey yo 13:36 * NinjaStyle tries to wake up 13:38 * Casteil tries to do the same 13:38 < Casteil> feel like it's going to be one of those struggle bus days 13:38 < humpaxx> I have a problem with apache2 that someone here might be able to give some helpful advice on. Whenever i add a new vhost and activate it the site doesn´t work until i reboot the webserver 13:39 < humpaxx> The whole machine, restarting apache2 doesn´t help 13:40 < iTeV> have you checked the apache2 logs yet? 13:41 < humpaxx> They don´t seem to show anything meaningful 13:50 < humpaxx> the strange thing is that 15% of the times the new site is shown when you visit the new url, otherwise it goes to the default apache site 14:03 <+ihre> FenJai: im not 100% sure about the specs, i'll boot it later and make some notes 14:03 < FenJai> Cool cool. Cheers ihre 14:12 < cryptic1> morning 14:13 < FenJai> morning cryptic1 14:15 < cryptic1> :) 14:29 < asimon> Good morning my friends 14:30 < ny0x> morning gents 14:32 < plop> sup 14:36 < humpaxx> Hiya 14:36 < asimon> This morning's project: make sure everyone's computer is *actually* getting backed up 14:37 < humpaxx> I might be feeling a bit burned out 14:37 < FenJai> Whys that humpaxx ? 14:37 < humpaxx> Does anyone else feel like a sharp burst of annoyance and frustration whenever the phone rings or a notification about an email pops up? 14:38 < humpaxx> And a general sense of hopelessness and apathy? 14:38 <+giant_it_burrit> yes to the first 14:39 <+giant_it_burrit> apathey yes 14:39 <+giant_it_burrit> hopeless, not really 14:40 < humpaxx> Ok maybe not hopelessness, just a general disinterest for anything 14:41 < FenJai> Anything in general or work humpaxx ? 14:41 < jaelae> humpaxx: where i work i no longer get calls 14:41 < jaelae> its amazing 14:41 < jaelae> the only call i get is a vendor trying to get me to do a webinar 14:41 < ny0x> cold sales emails and calls 14:42 < ny0x> those are the only things that annoy me 14:42 < humpaxx> FenJai: no mostly everything/anything 14:42 < McDonaldsWiFi> mornin fellas! 14:42 < plop> morning McDonaldsWiFi 14:43 < FenJai> Sounds a little like depression humpaxx. It might be a good idea to change some things in your life. Nothing major but perhaps introduce more exercise as an easy solution? 14:44 < FenJai> Ditto on sleep. Stuff like that is surprising in how much an extra 30-60 mins of either can help your mood 14:44 < humpaxx> FenJai: I moved a few months ago and i´ve started walking to/from work (about 50 min walk every day) so thats something 14:44 < asimon> Also therapy is basically the best thing ever (even if it's not depression and you're just feeling burned out) 14:45 < Nightcinder> tfw your boss breaks exchange 14:45 < Nightcinder> and wants to call MS to fix it instead of just letting me fix it 14:45 < McDonaldsWiFi> humpaxx: hey man, i live there. defintely sounds like a case of depression. sometimes it can come in waves and youll be back on your feet tomorrow 14:45 < Nightcinder> i fixed it and made it better, just give me more than 2 minutes after i walk in the door damn 14:45 < McDonaldsWiFi> humpaxx: BUT if you stay in this slump a while you might should talk to someone! 14:46 < FenJai> ^ 14:48 < FenJai> From my experience, the easy fixes are the biological one like sleep, food, exercise, etc. The medium stuff is stress in work, home, family, etc 14:48 < FenJai> Those need some more planning and discussion 14:49 < McDonaldsWiFi> yup 14:49 < McDonaldsWiFi> I have a like... passive form of depression. Always there but never gets bad enough for me to get out of bed 14:50 < McDonaldsWiFi> but when work goes shitty all week and whatnot I can get in a slump 14:50 < McDonaldsWiFi> different for everyone I suppose :( 14:51 < FenJai> I work from home semi regularly. Seems to help being able to respond to emails in your underpants 14:52 < humpaxx> McDonaldsWiFi, FenJai I´ll take that to heart and see if i can find someone to talk to 14:52 < asimon> humpaxx: We're not professionals but your friends here on the internet also love and support you 14:53 <@Code_Man65> Seriously, talking to someone can help LOADS 14:54 < McDonaldsWiFi> I went to the shrink once... they wanted me to come back... like bad LOL 14:54 < McDonaldsWiFi> I prolly should go back, don't be like me humpaxx 14:54 < McDonaldsWiFi> xD 14:54 < FenJai> Yeah, if you need someone to chat to about whatever is happening, Im happy to listen 14:54 <+giant_it_burrit> believe it or not, we arent always assholes just most of the time 14:54 < McDonaldsWiFi> Hey sysadmin question, anyone know how to find the time on the msol-server through powershell? office 356 14:54 < McDonaldsWiFi> 365* 14:55 < humpaxx> McDonaldsWiFi: No man they´re all money-grubbing jerks making money off of your madness 14:55 < asimon> humpaxx: We don't talk about work here 14:55 < asimon> s/humpaxx/McDonaldsWifi 14:55 <@Code_Man65> McDonaldsWiFi: It's UTC... 14:55 <+layer-eight> [SED asimon] McDonaldsWifi: We don't talk about work here 14:55 < McDonaldsWiFi> Code_Man65: 100% always? 14:55 <@Code_Man65> Yes 14:55 < McDonaldsWiFi> Code_Man65: how do you know everything :D 14:55 < McDonaldsWiFi> you're the best 14:55 < McDonaldsWiFi> this is #reddit-wholesomeadmin today 14:55 < McDonaldsWiFi> CHANGE THE MOTD 14:59 <@Code_Man65> I don't know everything McDonaldsWiFi, I just know a decent amount 14:59 < cryptic1> you will behave or be sent to the corner (##reddit-sysadmin-quarantine ) 14:59 <@Code_Man65> No one can know everything 15:00 < cryptic1> pffft 15:00 < cryptic1> felda knows everything 15:00 < cryptic1> paging felda 15:02 < McDonaldsWiFi> yeah yeah, you've always had the answer I need 15:02 < McDonaldsWiFi> so from my perspective you know everything haha 15:02 < misspwn_> good morning 15:03 < McDonaldsWiFi> mornin! 15:03 < Alternity> McDonaldsWiFi: make sure you are using the right module 15:03 < asimon> morning friend 15:03 < Alternity> there is an exchange online module and an azure module for azure ad 15:03 < Alternity> they have different cmdlets 15:05 <@Code_Man65> The exchange "module" is a remote pssession imported 15:05 <@Code_Man65> There is the MSOL module as well 15:08 < McDonaldsWiFi> Alternity: yeah I pretty much have a "connect" script I use 15:08 < McDonaldsWiFi> to load all teh modules, then I connect-msol service too for good measure 15:08 < ny0x> so fancy 15:08 < McDonaldsWiFi> pssessions + msolserver and I'm gucci... I think 15:08 < ny0x> I have so much to learn 15:08 < McDonaldsWiFi> haven't had any cmdley missing so far 15:09 < McDonaldsWiFi> ny0x: i started learning powershell cause o365 is way easier to manage with it 15:09 < McDonaldsWiFi> if I can learn it, anyone can lol 15:09 < McDonaldsWiFi> starting tinkering with it! 15:09 < McDonaldsWiFi> start* 15:09 < ny0x> I will once i get my AD approval 15:09 < McDonaldsWiFi> wooooo 15:09 < ny0x> I'm pretty much building desktop infrastructure from scratch 15:10 < McDonaldsWiFi> ad management is nice with PS too 15:10 < McDonaldsWiFi> I have a few scripts I use for it soemtimes too 15:10 < misspwn_> McDonaldsWiFi: i stole ur modules 15:10 < misspwn_> sry 15:11 < McDonaldsWiFi> ;> 15:12 < McDonaldsWiFi> I thought about putting that kind of tuff on github but my coding is horrid lol 15:12 < McDonaldsWiFi> it gets the job done.. 15:13 < jaelae> i hate manualkly building a server 15:13 < jaelae> its the worst 15:13 < corn266> have you tried replacing parts in a dell small form factor? 15:13 < hxcsp> or a dell all-in-one 15:14 < corn266> I'd take a server any day 15:14 < asimon> Might be a silly question - what do you guys actually do with powershell on a day-to-day basis? I find that I almost never need to actually use it, just on one-off occaisons like removing appx packages etc 15:17 < jaelae> long ago 15:17 < jaelae> though the server hardware i work on is a bitch to replace hardware on 15:17 < JollyRgrs> i declare today to be Dre day. if you know de wai, play some Dre! 15:17 < jaelae> depending on the hardware 15:17 < jaelae> they shipped me a new motherboard to replace on this Cisco C460 M4 rack server and im like what in the world? 15:17 < jaelae> we were cheap and didnt pay for support that includes a tech 15:18 < hxcsp> Ring ding dong Ring-a-ding ding ding dong 15:18 < corn266> This just in: JollyRgrs is the new moderator of r/fellowkids 15:19 < vista> i've made a huge mistake 15:19 < vista> time to redeploy vcenter 15:19 < JollyRgrs> corn266: what's that? 15:21 < JollyRgrs> TIL the offspring did a song for Sharknado? 15:23 < corn266> fellow kids is adults using memes that are outdated or wrongly used 15:24 < JollyRgrs> corn266: how am i an adult using a meme outdated or wrongly used? 15:24 < Nightcinder> r/fellowkids is weird af 15:24 < JollyRgrs> are you trying to tell me that you forgot about dre? 15:24 < corn266> uganda knuckles is a january meme, and it's currently june 15:25 * corn266 is a professional memeologist 15:25 < JollyRgrs> oh stfun00b 15:25 < JollyRgrs> corn266: just be lucky felda or ravioli aren't piping up to put you in your place 15:27 < corn266> meh, either way I'm looking for a stack of write-once-read-many bluray disks made by an american company 15:28 < JollyRgrs> ooh 15:28 < JollyRgrs> GL 15:28 < corn266> are they not a thing? 15:28 < abakedapplepie> man 15:28 < JollyRgrs> i've not had to look into the whole write-once media 15:29 < corn266> BluRay-R ? 15:29 < JollyRgrs> i mean, i know professionals produce them 15:29 < arlion> What;s the easiest way to move a set of EC2 instances from one VPC to antoher? 15:29 < abakedapplepie> i remember when i told my then-girlfriend-now-wife she should totally get the $200 bluray writer upgrade on her new build 15:29 < JollyRgrs> but they don't use a std BD-RW drive t od oit 15:29 < abakedapplepie> its never. ever. ever. been used. 15:29 < JollyRgrs> abakedapplepie: i only wanted a BD drive for ripping BDs to plex 15:29 < corn266> abakedapplepie: we gotta write log files to archive 15:29 < abakedapplepie> the reader was standard 15:29 < abakedapplepie> the upgrade to writer was $200 15:29 < JollyRgrs> i was waiting for price of BD discs to drop 15:30 < corn266> dayum 15:30 < vinrock> you can ypoink the laser out of it and make a burning laser pointer 15:30 < abakedapplepie> which, for 2006 15:30 < abakedapplepie> errr 15:30 < abakedapplepie> 2009 15:30 < vinrock> then go to six flags and pop kids' balloons 15:30 < abakedapplepie> isnt that bad 15:30 <+giant_it_burrit> i have a blu ray writer 15:30 <+giant_it_burrit> ive never used it 15:30 < abakedapplepie> lol 15:30 < abakedapplepie> high five 15:30 < JollyRgrs> corn266: well, there are archival discs... i'm assuming they exist for BD as well 15:30 < JollyRgrs> not sure if they are write-once though 15:30 < abakedapplepie> i remember thinking "bd-r will go down in price some day" 15:30 < abakedapplepie> and then no one cared about discs anymore 15:30 < JollyRgrs> abakedapplepie: yeah :( 15:31 < alazare619> discs are a thing of the past 15:31 < JollyRgrs> i still care about discs 15:31 < corn266> JollyRgrs: if I can fit all the logs on a 4.7G DVD-R then it probably won't be an issue 15:31 < alazare619> just give me the ability to toss movies on a flash drive and play them on any media i want 15:31 < alazare619> i.e. tv...xboxone...ps4... 15:31 < JollyRgrs> corn266: how is that? you gotta write to the DVD-R at least once 15:31 < abakedapplepie> pretty much 15:31 < JollyRgrs> :P 15:31 < abakedapplepie> although i dont even go that far anymore 15:31 < abakedapplepie> just airplay 15:31 < abakedapplepie> and wireless shit 15:31 < alazare619> i haven't had an optical disc in a very very long time 15:31 < JollyRgrs> abakedapplepie: for audio is fine. if i have FLAC and stuff, i'd be happy 15:31 < abakedapplepie> i really need to get plex going 15:31 < corn266> Yea, once a week use a new DVD-R to write the logs to and then archive for later use if necessary 15:31 < alazare619> probably 6-8 years 15:32 < abakedapplepie> i airplay video all over the house 15:32 < JollyRgrs> but for video, i don't want compressed crap... or as little compressed as possible 15:32 < abakedapplepie> i have 2 apple TVs 15:32 < JollyRgrs> i use plex 15:32 < abakedapplepie> its convenient 15:32 < abakedapplepie> but i use it for a LOT more than just movies 15:32 < JollyRgrs> and for other stuff, i have chromecasts 15:32 < corn266> JollyRgrs: you don't like movies from Yify? 15:32 < abakedapplepie> most movies get streamed directly anyway 15:32 < vinrock> i just stream shit from the apps on my tv 15:32 < alazare619> JollyRgrs: my biggest deal is no 2 media extenders have the same codec support 15:32 <+giant_it_burrit> i use chromecasts 15:32 < JollyRgrs> corn266: they'll do if i don't have the disc 15:32 < corn266> felda is uganda knuckles an old meme? 15:32 < vinrock> gona buy that xboner onex over the weekend tho 15:32 < vinrock> theyre finally on sale 15:32 < alazare619> like FFS they just need to be like this is the end all say all codec support / container 15:32 < JollyRgrs> alazare619: that sucks 15:33 < alazare619> and make sure every extender has it 15:33 < abakedapplepie> vinrock how much 15:33 < felda> corn266 yeah it had a really short shelf life :( 15:33 < vinrock> $450 15:33 < vinrock> 10% off 15:33 < JollyRgrs> i just want x265 hardawre support on all endpoint devices 15:33 < alazare619> i.e. mkx x264 with aac 15:33 < abakedapplepie> alazare619: i thought they just did that 15:33 < corn266> fuckin rekt JollyRgrs 15:33 < abakedapplepie> x265 15:33 < alazare619> abakedapplepie: not that i've seen 15:33 < abakedapplepie> yeah like 6-12 months ago google and apple and a few other people 15:33 < abakedapplepie> announced a new codec standard 15:33 < AnimalFarmPig> VP10? 15:33 < JollyRgrs> so ATSC 3.0 is being introduced... i wonder hwo quickly stations will adopt 15:34 < JollyRgrs> it uses x265 15:34 < AnimalFarmPig> webM? 15:34 < JollyRgrs> vp10 and webm aren't new 15:34 < AnimalFarmPig> I thought it was VP9? 15:34 < AnimalFarmPig> and WebL 15:35 < alazare619> VP9 has been a standard but scene refuses to encode shit to it 15:35 < alazare619> x264 has been the standard for the most part scene uses but not all devices do x264 w/ aac native 15:35 < abakedapplepie> https://www.engadget.com/2018/03/28/google-apple-intel-av1-netflix-amazon/ 15:35 <+layer-eight> * abakedapplepie → Tech giants are lined up behind the 'royalty-free' 4K codec AV1 15:35 < abakedapplepie> it might be this 15:35 < abakedapplepie> idk 15:35 < abakedapplepie> dont remember 15:36 < JollyRgrs> i think we should just all get RED cameras and hardware to support 15:36 < abakedapplepie> pretty sure thats it tho 15:37 < SpookyCrisp> loveing when i walk in and get hammered by guys 15:38 < JollyRgrs> SpookyCrisp: who cares? linuxdood doesn't come in here anymore 15:38 < JollyRgrs> so no oen cares 15:38 < SpookyCrisp> JollyRgrs, oh sad. 15:38 < felda> anyone used OBS to record web meetings? 15:38 < JollyRgrs> abakedapplepie: it looks like AV1 has some good traction 15:38 < SpookyCrisp> I thought he still poked in some times. 15:38 < abakedapplepie> netflix has vowed to support it 15:38 < JollyRgrs> which means hardware support should come very soon, esp with intel being a partner 15:38 < abakedapplepie> so it should happen no problem 15:39 < JollyRgrs> yeah, netflix and amazon and google 15:39 < abakedapplepie> amazon too 15:39 < JollyRgrs> and facebook 15:39 < JollyRgrs> and microsoft 15:39 < felda> they only really care if they can cram DRM in there :( 15:39 < JollyRgrs> yeah... 15:39 < abakedapplepie> yup 15:39 < JollyRgrs> if it is royalty-free, and supports DRM... that makes everyone happy 15:39 < abakedapplepie> i mean its going to have drm 15:39 < abakedapplepie> thats guaranteed 15:39 < abakedapplepie> netflix wouldnt be using it otherwise 15:40 < JollyRgrs> i mean, we know they aren't going to use non-DRM, so no point in trying to make a great codec NOT support it 15:40 < sadbox> felda: to be fair I think it's less netflix and more "people who netflix licenses content from" 15:40 < abakedapplepie> yes 15:40 < felda> yeah it's unreal the amount of pressure media companies put on netflix and other streaming websites to protect their content 15:40 < abakedapplepie> the reason netflix can bring us all this content over the internet is because they promise to protect the content to their content owners 15:41 < alazare619> but is roku going to adopt AV1 is the real question 15:41 < abakedapplepie> probably 15:41 < alazare619> if roku adopts AV1 for video 15:41 < alazare619> the question remains 15:41 < alazare619> is AV1 going to be audio and video 15:41 < abakedapplepie> i mean 15:41 < abakedapplepie> theres an A 15:41 < abakedapplepie> and a V 15:41 < alazare619> or is it going to be just video and we still have issues with direct play because audio... 15:41 < abakedapplepie> pretty sure its going to be an all in one deal 15:41 < abakedapplepie> not sure why they wouldnt 15:42 < sadbox> (the A doesn't actually stand for audio) 15:42 < alazare619> AOMedia Video 1 (AV1), is an open, royalty-free video coding format designed for video transmissions over the Internet. It is being developed by the Alliance for Open Media (AOMedia) 15:42 < abakedapplepie> bah 15:42 < sadbox> the plan is to use it along wit opus 15:42 < sadbox> and opus is great 15:42 < alazare619> so still have the issue of audio and almost every audio codec is royalty licensed which is why there isnt a single one 15:43 < abakedapplepie> i had no idea, seems like a gross oversight 15:43 < abakedapplepie> surely audio compression isnt nearly that hard compared to video 15:44 < abakedapplepie> when are those pied piper guys coming to market 15:44 < abakedapplepie> ffs 15:44 < sadbox> or, just use the one that already exists and is good 15:44 < abakedapplepie> oh god thats scary 15:44 < sadbox> wooooooo, opus 15:44 < abakedapplepie> during dynamics install something failed 15:44 < abakedapplepie> i hit retry and it worked 15:44 < abakedapplepie> that cant be a good thing 15:45 < abakedapplepie> retry never works 15:45 < asimon> Is there a way I can initialize a domain user account on a computer they've never logged into? 15:45 < abakedapplepie> rdp? 15:45 < abakedapplepie> :v 15:45 < alazare619> sadbox: the issue is every audio format with the exception of OGM is royalty licensed 15:45 < sadbox> asimon: I was ready to answer your question until I got to the "user" part 15:46 <@Code_Man65> asimon: USMT is the only way I can name 15:46 < alazare619> so if you compare audio on say a roku to audio on a xbox to audio on apple tv each has diffrent hardware decoders 15:46 < sadbox> alazare619: opus isn't royalty licensed 15:46 < alazare619> no one seems to have them all 15:46 < sadbox> free perpetual license 15:47 < alazare619> sadbox: much like other xiph codecs opus will never get traction either 15:47 < alazare619> see OGG OGM etc 15:47 < asimon> Code_Man65: That might be perfect actually 15:47 < asimon> thanks 15:48 <@Code_Man65> NP 15:48 < sadbox> alazare619: opus seems to be doing better than them FWIW 15:48 < alazare619> you would think by now that unless your codec starts with a X M A H is the only way to get traction... 15:48 < sadbox> alazare619: it's mandatory for WebRTC 15:48 < alazare619> X H A M S T E R 15:49 < sadbox> alazare619: and it's the audio format for webm 15:49 < alazare619> interesting 15:49 < AnimalFarmPig> what about ogg theora? 15:49 < alazare619> "V1 is intended to be able to be used together with the audio format Opus in a future version of the WebM container format for HTML5 web video and WebRTC.[4]" 15:50 < alazare619> so looks like AV1 will use the WEBM container (or mkv id assume) with Opus audio 15:50 < sadbox> yep 15:50 < DomLS3> nope 15:50 < alazare619> thats good news maybe we can finally get the systemd for audio/video in place 15:51 < alazare619> inb4 AV1/Opus has to much control we need options its just "change for change" etc 15:51 < AnimalFarmPig> official codec of systemd-codecd 15:52 < alazare619> when i first seen AV1 written in IRC 15:52 < alazare619> i totally read it as AVI 15:53 < abakedapplepie> well 15:53 < alazare619> should be AVWON 15:53 < felda> was VP9 the one that was hijacked by Google? 15:53 < alazare619> AVWONDERBULL 15:53 < abakedapplepie> AV1 is supposed to be 30% more better and it has the entire industry behind it 15:53 < abakedapplepie> so i am not worried 15:53 < abakedapplepie> and netflix is SUPER EXCITED about it being royalty free 15:54 < abakedapplepie> which is probbly the driving force behind the need 15:54 < sadbox> has apple signed up 15:54 < abakedapplepie> yes 15:54 < sadbox> o damn 15:54 < abakedapplepie> https://s.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/midas/93c776a033f95286136a549d1e093234/206252358/10_AOMedia_Coming_Soon_to_a_Screen_Near_You.jpg 15:54 <+layer-eight> * abakedapplepie → IMAGE/JPEG Document, 42,427 bytes 15:55 < abakedapplepie> lol 15:55 < abakedapplepie> apple isnt even on that image 15:55 < JollyRgrs> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14598707 15:55 <+layer-eight> * JollyRgrs → It's really hard to exaggerate the quality of the opus codec. It's just amazing... | Hacker News 15:55 < alazare619> this really excites me to the point id probably delete my entire media library and convert everything over to AV1 and Opus w/ MKV or Webm container 15:55 < JollyRgrs> so this dude tries to say you can't hear diff between 48 kbps and 96 kbps 15:56 < JollyRgrs> ... 15:56 < sadbox> JollyRgrs: it's hacker news 15:57 < sadbox> JollyRgrs: also OPUS is surprisingly good at low bitrates, it was (partially) meant for VOIP stuff 15:57 <+giant_it_burrit> get handbrake out alazare619 15:57 < alazare619> giant_it_burrit: i'd just script it with FFMPEG 15:58 < AnimalFarmPig> it depends on what you're listening to. I bet you couldn't tell the difference between 48 and 96 for this song-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDgHUj8sJaQ 15:58 <+layer-eight> * AnimalFarmPig → YouTube → John Cage: 4'33" → ⚘ 43,805 ↑ 151 ↓ 36 ✍ 62 15:58 < abakedapplepie> from my experience 15:58 < abakedapplepie> on a high quality sound system 15:59 < abakedapplepie> v0 vbr mp3 was mostly imperceptible from flac 15:59 < felda> did you guys all download Totally Accurate Battlegrounds yet? 15:59 < abakedapplepie> which was what about 192kb/s 15:59 < technonerd> Yawn battle royal games 15:59 < abakedapplepie> average 15:59 < AnimalFarmPig> felda: yes. Tried to play a bit last night, but it was a bit buggy / hard to get into games 15:59 < abakedapplepie> on headphones, 320kb/s minimum or bust 16:00 < abakedapplepie> IEMs, you need lossless 16:00 < abakedapplepie> especially if theyre bright 16:00 < technonerd> Why is running sim so popular 16:00 < abakedapplepie> compressed high hats ugh 16:00 < ebol4> v0 is more than you will ever need unless you're a freak or a weirdo 16:00 < felda> AnimalFarmPig yeah servers are kinda goofed right now 16:00 < abakedapplepie> ebol4: for speakers 16:00 < AnimalFarmPig> felda: the one match I was able to play was fun though 16:00 < ebol4> what are headphones but small speakers 16:00 < alazare619> much like visual fps audiophile will neither be proven nor denied 16:01 < abakedapplepie> that sit much closer to your head 16:01 < abakedapplepie> and generally are more sensitive 16:01 < abakedapplepie> 100-110db vs 80db 16:01 < ebol4> baby speakers 16:01 < alazare619> because of the sole fact eyes and ears we can not do a control against 16:01 < abakedapplepie> sensitivity is key 16:01 < alazare619> as we age our vision, and hearing gets better then gets worse 16:01 < abakedapplepie> which is how easily the diaphragm moves per mv of audio signal basically 16:01 < AnimalFarmPig> placebo effect is real, and works even if you know it's a placebo. Expensive placebos work better. 16:01 < alazare619> you can not do an experience with any sort of reasonable control not to mention as AnimalFarmPig pointed out placebo effect is very very much real 16:01 < abakedapplepie> you can definitely pick up encoding artifacts with high quality headphones relatively easy 16:02 < sadbox> abakedapplepie: I think it's a lot more likely that headphones are just easier to not have interference / room effects from 16:02 < alazare619> i encode all my audio at 256kbps 16:02 < alazare619> space is cheap 16:02 < AnimalFarmPig> human perception has limits-- called limen or liminal point in psychology 16:02 < sadbox> sensitivity is just... how much power you need to drive it 16:02 < abakedapplepie> if you know what youre looking for you can hear it sadbox, a room effect is not going to cause something that sounds like compression 16:02 < abakedapplepie> sadbox: no 16:03 < abakedapplepie> its not 16:03 < abakedapplepie> its how much the diaphragm moves per unit of power 16:03 < abakedapplepie> well, its correlated to that 16:03 < abakedapplepie> it just ends up that more sensitivity = less required power 16:03 < abakedapplepie> but more sensitivity ALSO means it can play finer signals 16:04 < abakedapplepie> because its more sensitive to them 16:04 < alazare619> 3 more payments and the worst financial decision of my life is paid off 16:04 < alazare619> best/worst 16:04 < alazare619> love my kirby vacuum 16:04 < alazare619> fuck that door to door salesmen guy... 16:04 < technonerd> Mail order bride? 16:04 < abakedapplepie> lol 16:04 < AnimalFarmPig> I assumed it was a time-share 16:04 < abakedapplepie> if i was spending big bucks on a vacuum 16:04 < abakedapplepie> it'd be a meile 16:04 < Casteil> what's the worst financial decision of your life? 16:04 < alazare619> sure 40 bucks a month doesnt seem bad 16:04 < abakedapplepie> all day 16:04 < alazare619> 8 years later... 16:04 < abakedapplepie> those things are fantastic 16:04 < abakedapplepie> WHAT 16:05 < abakedapplepie> holy shit 16:05 < alazare619> ^ 16:05 < JollyRgrs> what? 16:05 < JollyRgrs> wat? 16:05 < JollyRgrs> wot? 16:05 < abakedapplepie> did you actually buy it from a door to door salesman? 16:05 < alazare619> basically 4k dollars yep 16:05 < abakedapplepie> jesus fucking christ man 16:05 < AnimalFarmPig> 96 month financing on a vacuum cleaner... 16:05 <+ihre> for a vacuum cleaner? 16:05 <+ihre> lolololol 16:05 < alazare619> abakedapplepie: dude my carpet was the cleanest its ever been.. 16:05 < abakedapplepie> why didnt you just pay it off years ago 16:05 < JollyRgrs> alazare619: does it suck your dick well? 16:05 < alazare619> and in my defense 16:05 < alazare619> i was high AF 16:05 < JFDkthx> kek 16:05 < JollyRgrs> alazare619: do you have any carpet left 16:05 < Casteil> alazare619: you're not joking? lol 16:05 < JollyRgrs> ? 16:05 < AnimalFarmPig> lol 16:05 < abakedapplepie> man 16:06 <+ihre> high af doesnt justify spending 4k on a vacuum cleaner 16:06 < abakedapplepie> alazare619: would you like to buy a bridge? 16:06 < Casteil> 8*12*40 = a fuckload of money 16:06 < JollyRgrs> did you give it to your wife for your anniversary? 16:06 < abakedapplepie> Casteil: its about 4k 16:06 <+dbcc> alazare619: you wanna buy some volcano insuarnce 16:06 < AnimalFarmPig> I wonder if you could get out of contract that way? Pretty sure you can't legally consent when you're high af 16:06 <+ihre> nothing justifies spending 4k on a vacuum cleaner :P 16:06 < Casteil> 3840 yes I can math 16:06 < sadbox> man I thought that dyson I bought was a lot 16:06 < Casteil> that's fuuuuuuuuucking ridiculous 16:06 <+dbcc> i buy $44 vacuums that i just replace whenever they get shitty 16:06 < abakedapplepie> well, hey 16:06 < abakedapplepie> now that its paid off alazare619 16:06 <+dbcc> still cheaper than a dyson 16:06 < abakedapplepie> you can put it up on craigslist 16:06 < alazare619> with interest and shit calculated in i think it was like 4200 bucks all in all 16:06 < Casteil> sadbox: Yeah, I bought a Dyson for $200 (got a deal), still the most I've ever spent on a vacuum 16:06 < abakedapplepie> "slightly used vacuum - $4000" 16:06 < technonerd> You could of gotten a robot lawn mower and vacuum 16:06 < Casteil> I love it though, it *really* sucks 16:06 < sadbox> I have one of the wireless ones 16:06 < sadbox> which I actually like a lot 16:07 < alazare619> it was slightly over 8 years 16:07 < abakedapplepie> my cousin-in-law has a robotic lawn mower 16:07 < alazare619> dude my kirby is a beast tho 16:07 < jaelae> i got a dyson for like $300 wireless 16:07 < abakedapplepie> he got rid of it after destroying the third garden hose 16:07 < abakedapplepie> lol 16:07 < jaelae> its amazing 16:07 < alazare619> full metal body 16:07 < abakedapplepie> alazare619: kirbys are great 16:07 < JollyRgrs> alazare619: i wonder how it handles big dog poops 16:07 < alazare619> could suck a golf ball through a garden hose 16:07 < sadbox> alazare619: yeah but plastic is... light 16:07 < abakedapplepie> just, you know, not $4k great 16:07 < sadbox> jaelae: They are amaaaaazing 16:08 < abakedapplepie> my step dad bought a door to door vacuum once 16:08 < jaelae> okta is up! 16:08 < alazare619> shit even one time used it to air up car tire because because my air compressor was tied up 16:08 < abakedapplepie> in 1984 16:08 < abakedapplepie> he still uses it 16:08 < abakedapplepie> (its a rainbow) 16:08 < ebol4> happy pride month 16:08 < abakedapplepie> thing is a beast 16:08 < sadbox> jaelae: my apartment has 2 sets of stairs, and a mix of hard floors + carpeting 16:08 < jaelae> for me i have a small house so its nice to have the dyson wireless one cause im just walking around 16:08 < jaelae> kid spills cereal - i got it 16:08 < sadbox> I also have a corgi 16:08 < sadbox> so constant hair on the hardwood 16:08 < jaelae> turn it on max speed and you can vacuum up that corgi 16:09 < JollyRgrs> meetings are LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME 16:09 < JollyRgrs> anyone wanna sit in on mine? 16:09 < JollyRgrs> pls? 16:09 < alazare619> if memory serves dysons are only so powerful because they use multiple venturi's 16:09 < alazare619> not because of actual POWAAAAAAAA 16:09 < jaelae> im waiting for my boss to join a call now 16:09 < alazare619> :jeremyclarksonpowa: 16:09 < jaelae> no thanks 16:10 < JollyRgrs> jaelae: u sure? i'll provide number and code 16:10 < JollyRgrs> all you gotta do is dial and join 16:10 < alazare619> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Yepl2omE/image.png 16:10 <+layer-eight> * alazare619 → IMAGE/PNG Document, 210,232 bytes 16:11 < jaelae> im in this hell right now 16:11 < jaelae> i have to upgrade my cisco server blades 16:11 < jaelae> but they are older 16:11 < jaelae> so to move to newer blades i need to replace those old blades 16:11 < sadbox> alazare619: maybe that's why it can go for a while on batteries 16:11 < jaelae> but i cant put new blades in to replace them because my environment firfmware is too old 16:11 < jaelae> catch 22 16:11 < alazare619> we have about 30 m300 ucs blades 16:11 < alazare619> wait b300 16:11 < alazare619> m or b one of the 2 16:11 < felda> Neat Facts: JollyRgrs prefers to sing ABBA while in the shower 16:11 < alazare619> i think b300 is the blades and m is the rack 16:11 < alazare619> so b300 16:12 < Sousapro> Anyone having level 3 issues? 16:12 < jaelae> alazare619: nah B is blade. C is the rack servers 16:12 < jaelae> M is the series - same for both 16:13 < jaelae> so you have like B200 blades and C460 Rack servers. but both can be M4s 16:13 < alazare619> maybe thats it 16:13 < alazare619> i never look at them :P 16:13 < JollyRgrs> felda: not abba... that's so meh... i prefer Queen or T Swift 16:13 < alazare619> they just "work" 16:13 < alazare619> and only touch them to patch them etc 16:13 < jaelae> so i bought new B200 M5 blades but i cannot install them until we get rid of our C460 M2s 16:13 < jaelae> :) 16:13 < felda> JollyRgrs real talk Beyonce vs T Swift? 16:13 < JollyRgrs> also... always fun to sing michael jackson in a communal shower area, especially emphasizing the "hee-hee"s 16:13 < jaelae> so because of that i had to buy C460 M4's to replace the C460 M2's just so it is compatible 16:13 < abakedapplepie> t swizzle 16:13 < felda> also more real talk 16:13 < alazare619> ok so yea B200 M3 and M5 is what we have 16:13 < JollyRgrs> felda: tbfh, i have no clue. i only hear either if wife or kids are playing it 16:14 < alazare619> a mixture of them 16:14 < felda> Cardi B vs Nicki Minaj 16:14 < felda> I must know 16:14 < felda> for science 16:14 < JollyRgrs> rick astley 16:14 < sadbox> v classic memes 16:14 <@Code_Man65> Are you never gonna give him up JollyRgrs? 16:14 < JollyRgrs> never gonna let him down 16:14 <+TuxedoJack> Rick Astley will lend you any movie in his Pixar collection except one. 16:15 <@Code_Man65> Frozen, because he can't let it go 16:15 <+TuxedoJack> ... 16:15 < JollyRgrs> lol 16:15 * Code_Man65 bows 16:15 < JollyRgrs> but frozen isn't pixar 16:16 <@Code_Man65> Disney owns Pixar in its entirety 16:16 < JollyRgrs> frozen is straight disney animation studios 16:16 < JollyRgrs> it does 16:16 < alazare619> jaelae: aww we have B200, M3, M4 and M5 16:16 < JollyRgrs> but there is still a seperation of pixar and disneye studios 16:16 < alazare619> didnt realize we had 3 generations 16:16 < abakedapplepie> CANT WE ALL SUSPEND REALITY FOR THE SAKE OF HUMOR 16:16 < jaelae> yea makes sense. m5 is still pretty new 16:16 < abakedapplepie> JESUS YOU FUCKING NECKBEARDS 16:16 < jaelae> we have some old m2's causing us issues 16:16 < jaelae> not many though so once i remove them then ! then i can finally live it up 16:17 < JollyRgrs> abakedapplepie: i cannot do that, david 16:17 < abakedapplepie> lol 16:17 < JollyRgrs> (name that movie for 5 bonus points) 16:17 < abakedapplepie> spaceballs 16:17 < JollyRgrs> nope 16:17 < abakedapplepie> YEP 16:17 < ebol4> bill and ted bogus venture 16:17 < abakedapplepie> greatest movie ever 16:18 < abakedapplepie> and stanley kubrick is full of shit 16:18 < Sousapro> ++ Spaceballs 16:18 < abakedapplepie> im excited for new bill and ted 16:18 <@Code_Man65> Sousapro: Have they gone from suck to blow? 16:18 < alazare619> side note havent logged into the new esxi since updates 16:18 < mrghostman> spaceballs the toilet paper. spaceballs the comic book. spaceballs the cereal. 16:18 < alazare619> its pretty bitchin 16:19 < JollyRgrs> alazare619: where is that quote in spaceballs? 16:19 < alazare619> the html5 is pretty clean now 16:19 <@Code_Man65> Spaceballs the flamethrower! 16:19 < mrghostman> merchandising! merchandising! merchandising! 16:19 < alazare619> JollyRgrs: you fucking fail at tab completion 16:19 <@killdash9> one sec 16:19 < alazare619> AL 16:19 < abakedapplepie> lmao 16:19 < alazare619> AB 16:19 < alazare619> come on 16:19 < abakedapplepie> close enough 16:19 < abakedapplepie> i know its not spaceballs 16:19 < abakedapplepie> lol 16:20 <@killdash9> printed 2 days ago: https://i.imgur.com/AxaEwBv.jpg 16:20 <+layer-eight> * killdash9 → IMAGE/JPEG Document, 63,844 bytes 16:20 < abakedapplepie> thats awesome 16:21 < corn266> nice 16:21 < abakedapplepie> is that an sr-71 model behind it 16:21 <@Code_Man65> killdash9: You should have put more than $5 in 16:21 < alazare619> so a dealership within about 10 hrs from me has a nissan pulsar gti-r 16:21 <@killdash9> https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-puffy-vehicles-eagle-5-from-spaceballs-61838 16:21 <+layer-eight> * killdash9 → 3D Printable Puffy Vehicles - Eagle 5 from Spaceballs by Vedran Marjanović 16:21 < alazare619> AWD mini godzilla for sale 16:21 < alazare619> https://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/ctd/d/1992-nissan-pulsar-gti-awd/6599789577.html 16:21 <@killdash9> abakedapplepie: yep, a large one I printed 16:21 < technonerd> Pulsar are fun 16:21 < abakedapplepie> it does look quite large 16:22 < abakedapplepie> what kind of printer do you have 16:22 < corn266> holy shit 1992 with only 42k miles? 16:22 < alazare619> technonerd: the all wheel drive 5 speed manual supercharged model 16:22 < alazare619> not the turbo one 16:22 < alazare619> even harder to find 16:22 <@killdash9> abakedapplepie: Prusa i3 mk2. SR-71 printed in three pieces that all nearly maxed build volume 16:22 < corn266> and unless I'm retarded a right hand steering arangement 16:23 < abakedapplepie> corn266: its an import 16:23 < abakedapplepie> a special car 16:23 <@killdash9> yes, Japanese import 16:23 < abakedapplepie> a garage queen 16:23 < corn266> is that street legal? 16:23 <@killdash9> they are dirt cheap in Japan 16:23 < abakedapplepie> yes 16:23 < corn266> no fuckin way 16:23 < corn266> that's great 16:23 < technonerd> 25 years in America 16:23 <@killdash9> 25+ years old. Fully legal in the States. 16:23 < technonerd> 15 in Canada 16:23 < abakedapplepie> you can buy plenty of RHD vehicles in the US 16:23 <@killdash9> except probably California. Fuck California 16:23 < abakedapplepie> you can buy decomissioned rural postal vehicles 16:23 < abakedapplepie> they are RHD 16:23 < corn266> don't worry cancer will get cali before anyone else does 16:24 < abakedapplepie> lots of old jeep cherokees etc 16:24 <+layer-eight> * alazare619 → 1992 NISSAN PULSAR GTI-R AWD SR20 SUPERCHARGED 5 SPEED M/T HATCH - cars & trucks - by dealer - vehicle automotive sale 16:24 < alazare619> i've always wanted a baby godzilla 16:24 <@killdash9> they are selling for 13500. If you're willing to deal with Customs and shipping you can get it easily for less than half that 16:24 < technonerd> I have a rhd, people break their necks its funny to watch 16:24 < corn266> wow layer-eight make like a tomato and ketchup 16:24 < alazare619> back in the 90's my uncle had a USDM pulsar that he converted to the GTI-R 16:24 < abakedapplepie> killdash9: really? 16:25 <@killdash9> you'll hate me 16:25 < abakedapplepie> i figured importing a car would be at least half that 16:25 < alazare619> using subframe and everything minus engine from a JDM one 16:25 < alazare619> so it was still left hand drive SR20DET all wheel drive 16:25 <@killdash9> https://www.tradecarview.com/ 16:25 <+layer-eight> * killdash9 → Japanese used cars | tradecarview - Japanese used cars online market 16:25 < Sousapro> Code_Man65: can confirm L3 went from suck to blow 16:25 < abakedapplepie> yeah dont show me this 16:25 < abakedapplepie> thats the last thing i need 16:25 < abakedapplepie> ugh 16:26 < alazare619> i want a moredoor skyline 16:26 < Sousapro> Mmph 16:26 < alazare619> because no one wants sedan skylines ;) 16:26 <@killdash9> Here's my search. All cars older than 25 years in reverse age. https://www.tradecarview.com/used_car/all/all/?jid=1993&co=392 16:26 <+layer-eight> * killdash9 → Used cars for sale | 1648 Stock Items| tradecarview 16:26 < Sousapro> No more Japan performance cars in here 16:26 < Sousapro> My wallet is dying already 16:27 <@killdash9> working on deals right now to import a Figaro and a Pao. Trying to get a container to put them in with a buttload of parts. 16:27 < technonerd> https://imgur.com/3geYNOC 16:27 <+layer-eight> * technonerd → IMGUR Image → Image/jpeg → 3 months ago → 3036x4048 → ⚘ 9 16:27 < abakedapplepie> what... the fuck... 16:27 < ebol4> that sounds expensive 16:27 < JollyRgrs> alazare619: i many times do a 1 letter tab completion b/c mine does in order of spoken in the channel.. so if your ass would SHUT UP A SECOND, i wouldn't tab complete to you :P 16:27 < abakedapplepie> i can get a 2003 rx-8 shipped for less than $3k 16:27 < abakedapplepie> what the fuck 16:27 < abakedapplepie> thats with shipping insurance 16:28 < JollyRgrs> abakedapplepie: unless i'm getting my memories crossed, that should be Max (voiced by Paul Rueben) in Flight of the Navigator 16:28 <+giant_it_burrit> but the gas you will spend 16:28 <+giant_it_burrit> lolololol 16:28 <@killdash9> still gotta pay Customs and taxes here 16:28 < abakedapplepie> oh i tohught that was including the customs fees 16:28 < alazare619> killdash9: you watch toms turbo garage 16:28 < abakedapplepie> is that JUST shipping 16:28 < alazare619> he has a figaro 16:28 <+giant_it_burrit> anyone here have 2016 server vlsc? 16:28 <@killdash9> I don't. But I know a guy in town with one 16:28 < JollyRgrs> s/figaro/fiero 16:28 <+layer-eight> [SED JollyRgrs/alazare619] he has a fiero 16:29 < ebol4> s/fiero/fieri 16:29 < JollyRgrs> i don't think you can "s an s" 16:29 < ebol4> you can s a d though 16:29 < JollyRgrs> but i don't 16:29 < ebol4> but you COULD 16:30 < JollyRgrs> your mom's the best at it, no need to dethrone her 16:30 < JollyRgrs> so could you 16:30 < ebol4> maybe i do maybe i don't 16:30 <+giant_it_burrit> JollyRgrs: you using 2016 server 16:30 < JollyRgrs> we're talking about shaving a donkey, right? S a D? 16:30 < ebol4> s'ing a d is smoking a (big) doink 16:30 < JollyRgrs> giant_it_burrit: for what? 16:31 < abakedapplepie> looks like even with customs and tax, its just a hair over 3k 16:31 <+giant_it_burrit> im having an issue with vlsc 16:31 < JollyRgrs> ebol4: yeah, i bet you love smokin the D 16:31 <+giant_it_burrit> and google no answer 16:31 < JollyRgrs> giant_it_burrit: i mean,we got 2016 running on some servers, incl. my SCCM servers 16:31 < JollyRgrs> what's your issue? 16:31 < alazare619> s/ a d/uck a dick 16:31 <+layer-eight> [SED alazare619/ebol4] s'ing uck a dick is smoking a (big) doink 16:32 < abakedapplepie> rest in peace 16:32 < ebol4> smokin big doinks in amish. i'm going to be looking fresh as fuck smoking some jeebie weebies 16:32 * abakedapplepie pours a doink out for the homey 16:34 <+giant_it_burrit> vlsc is throwing an error 16:34 < abakedapplepie> killdash9 i wanna see the pao if you ever get it 16:34 < JollyRgrs> giant_it_burrit: like the website is? 16:34 <+giant_it_burrit> yep 16:34 <+giant_it_burrit> a 1003 error 16:34 <+giant_it_burrit> i was looking to see if anyone else was getitng the same thing 16:35 < abakedapplepie> https://www.tradecarview.com/used_car/nissan/figaro/22858589/?isNew=1 holy shit 16:35 <+layer-eight> * abakedapplepie → Used NISSAN FIGARO 1991 for sale | Stock | tradecarview | 22858589 16:35 < JFDkthx> ur a figaro 16:36 <+NinjaStyle> I gave your mom a Figaro 16:36 <+giant_it_burrit> there isa cream for that 16:40 < humpaxx> giant_it_burrit: Like an ointment? 16:41 < JollyRgrs> ISA cream? 16:41 < JollyRgrs> i thought ISA used oil based lube and PCI used the cream 16:41 < JollyRgrs> and AGP was just rough, raw, and dry 16:44 < JollyRgrs> giant_it_burrit: so i have two MSFT accounts... one is my O365 account, the other is my Microsoft account (for VLSC)... both use the same address, but only one has MSFT authenticator set up :/ 16:44 < ravioli> Hunterkll: 11.5 million done 16:45 < humpaxx> I miss trapdoor 16:45 < abakedapplepie> said no one 16:45 < humpaxx> I just said it 16:45 < hxcsp> JollyRgrs: DO YOU WANT TO USE YOUR WORK ACCOUNT OR YOUR PERSONAL ACCOUNT 16:45 < hxcsp> ;/ 16:45 < abakedapplepie> i guess youre no one 16:45 < abakedapplepie> :D 16:45 < ravioli> Hunterkll: txt file in the form of "domain.net \t ipaddress \n" is 352MB so far 16:45 < humpaxx> Ba-dum tschhh 16:46 < humpaxx> Time to sign off and go home 16:46 < Hunterkll> lol 16:46 < humpaxx> See if i can muster up the willpower to clean the dishes i´ve been watering for the past 2 weeks 16:46 < McDonaldsWiFi> lol 16:47 < McDonaldsWiFi> watering dishes, I'm gonna use that on my wife and see what she says 16:47 < JollyRgrs> Hunterkll: yeah... both are the same address, and i think i linked my personal account to my work account for VLSC so i could SSO in 16:47 < JollyRgrs> ugh... hxcsp i meant to highlight 16:47 < McDonaldsWiFi> She also scoffs if you call it "choreplay" when you do chores around the house 16:47 < JollyRgrs> all these H ppl need to go 16:47 < hxcsp> lol 16:47 < nickster> why is updating the mdt demployment share so damn slow 16:47 < humpaxx> McDonaldsWiFi: Yeah i let them soak in hot water in the evening and replace the water the next day after i get home from work thinking i´ll do them then 16:48 < corn266> nickster it's trying its' best leave it alone 16:48 < McDonaldsWiFi> humpaxx: xD 16:48 < humpaxx> nickster: Are you updating/making new bootable files? recreating the wim files seem to have a long time even if you use an SSD 16:48 < nickster> im regenerating the litetouch shite because i had to change ips 16:48 < JollyRgrs> it's all the DISM stuff to repack the .wim probably 16:48 < nickster> so ye 16:49 < nickster> but that makes sense, its entirely a software limitation / something software making it so long 16:49 <+NinjaStyle> I packed your mom's wim 16:49 < humpaxx> Ever since i enabled 2FA on my O365 account Outlook has been stuck on "loading profile" 16:49 < humpaxx> I´ve resigned to using OWA instead of fixing it 16:49 < abakedapplepie> McDonaldsWiFi: choreplay, thats great 16:50 <+NinjaStyle> It's gonna be hot today my dudes 16:50 < abakedapplepie> !weather 16:50 < humpaxx> 27c here 16:50 < abakedapplepie> celsius what is this a temperature scale for ants 16:50 < humpaxx> Anyway, talk later or tomorrow 16:51 < humpaxx> abakedapplepie: Its more sensible than your silly way 16:51 < abakedapplepie> :P 16:51 <+NinjaStyle> It's gonna be like 94 16:51 < ebol4> it's thursday my dudes 16:51 < humpaxx> Let me guess you use stones as a way of messuring wieght and feet to messure distance? 16:51 < abakedapplepie> we are peaking at a cool 82 today 16:51 < JollyRgrs> giant_it_burrit: ok, got my authenticator working... lol, so where do you get error 1003 at? 16:51 < humpaxx> Get on the metric train like the rest of the world you pleb :p 16:51 <+NinjaStyle> It makes sense for freezing to be 32 if you think about it 16:51 < abakedapplepie> stones :P 16:51 < abakedapplepie> lol 16:52 <+giant_it_burrit> when i try to dl media JollyRgrs 16:52 <+giant_it_burrit> called msft 16:52 <+giant_it_burrit> they tell me there is website maint 16:52 <+giant_it_burrit> so it will be 2 hrs 16:52 < JollyRgrs> eww 16:52 < humpaxx> Anyway im off 16:52 <+NinjaStyle> Temperature going into negative is dumb 16:52 < humpaxx> Latrzz 16:52 < abakedapplepie> they should like, put up a banner, or something 16:52 < humpaxx> NinjaStyle: Its not dumb! once you go below 0 water freezes 16:52 < JollyRgrs> ikr? 16:52 <+ihre> tfw a file has 2 entries that should be masked, and you only cover 1 before pasting it in a ~2k user channel 16:52 < JollyRgrs> giant_it_burrit: just tryin to get linke 2k16 std or datacenter? 16:52 < abakedapplepie> humpaxx kelvin is the superior temperature scale 16:52 <+NinjaStyle> humpaxx: who cares about water 16:53 <+giant_it_burrit> standard 16:53 <+giant_it_burrit> i will need the key event but still 16:53 < humpaxx> NinjaStyle: Ok mountain dew problably freezes at 0 too 16:53 <+NinjaStyle> Oh damn 16:53 < humpaxx> below zero 16:53 <+NinjaStyle> What does beer freeze at? 16:53 < humpaxx> Laters my dudes 16:53 < JollyRgrs> humpaxx: you mean 0k mounten dew freezes 16:53 < genr8__> thats why you should only upload files to servers you can delete the file from immediately. like dont upload to pastebin as a guest..... 16:54 < abakedapplepie> NinjaStyle: depends on the abv :P 16:54 < abakedapplepie> i actually have vast experience in this field 16:54 < abakedapplepie> i ship beer constantly and in the winter its a crapshoot 16:54 < catbeard> a farmer out standing in his field 16:55 <+NinjaStyle> Well moonshine probably freezes around 0 degrees 16:56 < abakedapplepie> still depends on the abv 16:56 < abakedapplepie> ethanol freezes at what -150 16:57 < dragonfleas> do you guys know how to set up email alerts from OMSA? 16:58 < nickster> i hate my university's equipment policy 16:58 < nickster> technically it is all "owned by the state" and they can't sell off things even if you offer a good price. 16:58 < nickster> theres a bag of like 50 sticks of 4gb ecc modules 16:59 < ebol4> just grab a couple 16:59 < abakedapplepie> lol 16:59 < abakedapplepie> get me some too 16:59 < abakedapplepie> i miss raiding my uni's dumpsters 16:59 < nickster> there are also a decent amount of r620s being surplused 16:59 < abakedapplepie> my roommate found an old laser tube once 16:59 < abakedapplepie> never got it working 16:59 < mrghostman> nickster it likely ends up listed on places such as https://www.govdeals.com/ 16:59 <+layer-eight> * mrghostman → Government Surplus Auctions - GovDeals.com 16:59 < abakedapplepie> the IT dept at my uni would just set up days where students could come and pick things 17:00 < abakedapplepie> you had to know someone though it wasnt really advertised 17:00 < nickster> yea im not sure about it. I've checked there many times but they seem to only send it up-stream to the state's university system who then takes care of it. 17:00 < nickster> fairly certain they just sell it to re-purposing centers or smth 17:00 < abakedapplepie> still upset i never got a job in IT at school 17:00 < abakedapplepie> i could have had so much shit 17:01 < nickster> ye im currently a student working a student position. One day everyone had to go to training and i was told to setup a deployment server kinda as a joke. So i did. 17:01 < nickster> No i manage the deployment server 17:02 < nickster> now* 17:02 < abakedapplepie> haha 17:02 < abakedapplepie> thats cool 17:03 < abakedapplepie> if you know people in the dept it might be worth asking around, since youre a student 17:03 < genr8__> i had a boss tell me to set up a router and i set up an OpenBSD box and made like a 1 paragraph list of common commands - was fired for it 17:03 < abakedapplepie> just say its for your homelab 17:03 < abakedapplepie> they might just say something like "i cant hand you any ram wouldnt know if some went missing" 17:03 < nickster> i know sometimes you can get permission from X authority to repurpose it for home use / to never resell it 17:04 < nickster> but even my coworkers have had trouble getting that to work 17:04 < JFDkthx> is it friday yet 17:04 < abakedapplepie> almost 17:04 < nickster> yes 17:04 < asimon> It's friday eve 17:06 < alazare619> killdash9: that car site has a toyota soarer 17:07 < JFDkthx> fuck you selinux 17:07 < JFDkthx> im tired of your shit 17:07 < nickster> amen 17:07 < alazare619> killdash9: crazy its only 5k considering thats the JDM supra 17:07 <+giant_it_burrit> JollyRgrs: were you able to dl? 17:07 < JFDkthx> selinux is blocking auditd 17:08 <@killdash9> alazare619: I said y'all would regret me showing that site to you 17:08 < alazare619> always wanted a soarer 17:08 < alazare619> never was a fan of the skyline body lines 17:08 < JollyRgrs> giant_it_burrit: no, same error as you 17:08 <+giant_it_burrit> ok good 17:08 <+giant_it_burrit> alazare619: but the g37 is a skyline 17:08 < JollyRgrs> anyone good with tsql? 17:08 <+giant_it_burrit> huehuehue 17:08 < JollyRgrs> i have version and count... i need top 5, then aggregate the rest 17:09 < JollyRgrs> version 11, version 10... version 6, then "all other versions" 17:09 < dragonfleas> G37 is a skyline in EU & AS 17:12 < Spr1ng> This is a bit of a weird one. I had to turn on an old SBS 2003 server that had been decommissioned a few years ago to restore a particular mailbox from an ex-employee that left in 2007. Does anybody have any tips on how I can access an individual mailbox in such a circumstance? 17:12 < Spr1ng> The company has since migrated to Office 365. 17:12 < corn266> JFDkthx: lmao SELinux "hackers can't get into your computer if your computer doesn't work" 17:13 < dragonfleas> Spr1ng, that's not going to happen 17:13 < Spr1ng> I figured this was a shot in the dark. 17:14 < dragonfleas> It's possible if the server's been turned on this whole time it was decommed 17:14 < dragonfleas> umm 17:14 < dragonfleas> just reset the credentials for his account 17:14 < dragonfleas> if he still has a disabled AD account? 17:14 < dragonfleas> reenable 17:14 < Spr1ng> no, server was off for many years 17:14 < dragonfleas> authenticate to it 17:14 < dragonfleas> oh 17:14 < dragonfleas> well 17:14 < catbeard> corn266: if you actually write selinux policies instead of just disabling it 17:15 < catbeard> or gradm learn 17:15 <@Code_Man65> Let me guess Spr1ng, no documented retention policy? 17:15 < dragonfleas> https://www.stellarinfo.com/blog/extract-exchange-mailboxes-from-edb-file/ 17:15 < vinrock> (11:08:00 AM) alazare619: killdash9: crazy its only 5k considering thats the JDM supra 17:15 <+layer-eight> * dragonfleas → How to Extract Exchange Mailboxes from EDB file 17:15 < Spr1ng> not that im aware of 17:15 < dragonfleas> You can extract the mailbox to a pst file 17:15 < dragonfleas> using exmerge 17:15 < Spr1ng> i saw that site, seems pretty dodgy 17:15 < vinrock> i was reminiscing about cash for clunkers the other day and was reading the list of cars that were destroyed 17:15 < corn266> catbeard: ofc, I was just laughing at JFDkthx's selinux blocking auditd 17:15 < vinrock> 5 people turned in MKIV supras 17:16 < vinrock> they should all be executed 17:16 < technonerd> Wtf 17:16 <@killdash9> so many good cars met their maker too early 17:16 < vinrock> cash for clunkers fucked the used car market so bad 17:16 < abakedapplepie> ugh 17:16 < vinrock> sooo many good cars 17:16 < abakedapplepie> so sad 17:16 < abakedapplepie> :'( 17:16 < AnimalFarmPig> JollyRgrs: do two queries-- one with version <= X, and another one with version > X and aggregated 17:16 <+giant_it_burrit> killdash9: like the people who bring cars into the us that arent legal then they are crushed rather than sold off 17:16 < AnimalFarmPig> JollyRgrs: or use a UNION 17:16 < vinrock> shit one person turned in a fuckin GNX 17:16 < abakedapplepie> cash for clunkers is the kind of thing that i just would rather block from my memory entirely 17:17 < grumplestiltzkin> holy shit, don't bring up that goatrope 17:17 <+giant_it_burrit> it better have been dead 17:17 < abakedapplepie> there are a lot of heartbreaking stories 17:17 < McDonaldsWiFi> abakedapplepie: like what? 17:17 < catbeard> f tsql 17:17 < abakedapplepie> nothing i can remember because i blocked it all 17:17 < abakedapplepie> but like 1 off classic cars 17:17 < abakedapplepie> extremely rare shit 17:17 < abakedapplepie> getting crushed 17:17 < abakedapplepie> operators knowing whats in their machine but legally cant not crush it 17:17 < abakedapplepie> shit like that 17:17 < abakedapplepie> heartbreaking 17:17 < AnimalFarmPig> terrible policy 17:18 < abakedapplepie> pushing the button on a half million dollar car 17:18 < McDonaldsWiFi> :/ 17:18 < AnimalFarmPig> just the way that it fucked the used car market is bad enough 17:18 < JollyRgrs> AnimalFarmPig: i'm trying to save queries and not simply run the query twice 17:20 < AnimalFarmPig> JollyRgrs: SELECT blah blah blah IF(version <= X, version, -1) AS version_group blah blah blah GROUP BY version_group 17:20 < grumplestiltzkin> wait. who would turn in a 500k one-off car for $4k? 17:20 < corn266> the same people who sale family heirlooms 17:20 < JollyRgrs> AnimalFarmPig: come again? 17:20 < vinrock> there's a federal program going on right now kinda like cash for clunkers for big rigs 17:20 < JollyRgrs> i can't give version number explicitly, that'll always change 17:20 < JollyRgrs> this is for O365 versiosn 17:20 < vinrock> so truck prices are gona go through the roof 17:21 < vinrock> and the cost is gona be passed to consumers 17:21 < grumplestiltzkin> optimus prime gon get msushed 17:21 < vinrock> $25k towards purchase of a new truck 17:21 < AnimalFarmPig> JollyRgrs: run a function over the version field that returns the version field unchanged if it meets your criteria and some dummy value if it doesn't, then group by that field 17:21 < JollyRgrs> AnimalFarmPig: https://pastebin.com/zJSbiqUF there's the code 17:21 <+layer-eight> * JollyRgrs → [T-SQL] declare @Group nvarchar(4) DECLARE @URL nvarchar(MAX) SET @Group = 'PROD - Pastebin.com 17:22 < JollyRgrs> i'm SQL challenged, pls talk in baby words 17:22 < vinrock> they want all the pre-emissions trucks wiped out so there will be fewer replacement engines for old trucks that need it and fewer pre-emissions engines for glider builds 17:22 < vinrock> old trucks used to rack up a million miles before they were tired, nowadays its about half that 17:23 < McDonaldsWiFi> aka they are driving prices through the roof artificially 17:23 < McDonaldsWiFi> :/ 17:23 < McDonaldsWiFi> never agood thing 17:24 < cantibot> APPLE 2 FOREVER 17:24 < JFDkthx> if they are driving prices through the roof they can only get half as far, because new ones are wrose 17:24 < cantibot> MAKING LIFE BETTER AND BETTER!!! 17:24 < cantibot> BRINGING THE RAINBOW TO YOUUUUU!!! 17:24 < cantibot> APPLE TWOOOOOO!!!! 17:24 < cantibot> FOREVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR 17:25 < sadbox> abakedapplepie: why were people bummed about people trading in fancy cars, etc 17:25 < AnimalFarmPig> JollyRgrs: so, say you have version numbers 1 through 10. As part of your select, you perform a calculation on the version number to get a value we'll call version number group. That calculation is "Is this number less than 5?" If it is, return the number. Otherwise, return a dummy value -1. So, version numbers 1,2,3,4 get a version group numbers 1,2,3,4, and everything else gets version group number -1. Use version group # as your 17:25 < AnimalFarmPig> group by field. 17:25 < sadbox> abakedapplepie: and why would they trade in a $500k car for $4500 17:25 < JollyRgrs> AnimalFarmPig: that sounds amazing... i'm too dense to understand that 17:27 < vinrock> sadbox i seen a video of some shop siezing the engine in an aston martin DB7 that someone turned in 17:27 < AnimalFarmPig> JollyRgrs: I don't spend a lot of time in SQL Server, in MySQL you could use a simple IF, the format of which is (iirc)-- `IF(condition, value to return if condition is true, value to return if condition is false)` 17:28 < catbeard> i hear BETWEEN and GROUP BY syntax is all the rage these days 17:28 < sadbox> JollyRgrs: I would be lazy and prolly do a query on the top X, and then a sum on everything else once you figure out what the top x are 17:28 < JollyRgrs> sadbox: that's what i want to do! 17:28 < sadbox> I only know mysql tho 17:28 < catbeard> sadbox: nested select 17:29 < catbeard> or subquery 17:30 < catbeard> or https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sql/t-sql/queries/top-transact-sql?view=sql-server-2017 17:30 <+layer-eight> * catbeard → TOP (Transact-SQL) | Microsoft Docs 17:30 < JollyRgrs> is this new in server 2017? 17:30 < catbeard> idk never used 17:30 < JollyRgrs> we have win2k16 and SQL 2k16... but have to run at SQL 2k12 functional level 17:31 < ebol4> why don't they just have LIMIT 17:31 < AnimalFarmPig> "THIS TOPIC APPLIES TO: SQL Server (starting with 2008)" <--- should be good 17:31 < abakedapplepie> sadbox: usually it was people that didnt know any better 17:31 < abakedapplepie> like widowers of car guys 17:32 < JollyRgrs> catbeard: oh. TOP... i know TOP.... 17:32 < JollyRgrs> that's how i get my top 5 17:32 < Willz12h> Hey guys, anyone able to point me in the right direction for sourcing 10k RPM SAS Drives? UK based. Even stating your prefered brand. We currently only have 3 slots left and would require at leas 1.2TB data 17:32 < JollyRgrs> i just want to aggregate the below top 5 17:32 < AnimalFarmPig> ebol4: looks like TOP allows you to specify a percentage of rows in the table 17:32 < abakedapplepie> all they know is that they have this rusty thing in the back yard their husband used to fuck with instead of fucking them 17:32 < abakedapplepie> and hey i can get $4k for a clunker 17:32 < sadbox> abakedapplepie: Not that I think that the program was good/bad, but tbh if they didn't care or know I doubt anything would have happened prositive anyways 17:32 < abakedapplepie> well 17:32 < abakedapplepie> youve heard of barn cars right 17:32 < catbeard> no 17:32 < abakedapplepie> cash for clunkers removed a lot of future barn cars 17:33 < DoctorDick> Willz12h, Amazon UK? 17:33 < catbeard> what like The Judge 17:33 < catbeard> forgot what movie that was from 17:33 < abakedapplepie> and also probably a lot of current barn cars too at the time 17:33 < AnimalFarmPig> cash for clunkers removed a lot of good inexpensive used cars from the market, making it more expensive for people to buy used cars 17:33 < abakedapplepie> that too 17:33 < Willz12h> Amazon only seams to give me a WD 10k SAS for a out of life hardware 17:33 < genr8__> Looks like theres Dell 10k Sas drives in 600,1.2, 1.8 and 2.4 capacity 17:33 < abakedapplepie> it definitely propped up the whole auto industry 17:34 < Willz12h> which can only be brought second hand :( 17:34 < AnimalFarmPig> 10k drives are pretty much EOL everywhere, right? 17:34 < genr8__> cause 10K Sas _IS_ out of life hardware... 17:34 < DoctorDick> I mean you could always order them off of Dell UKs site 17:34 < Willz12h> Yeah, I did just find http://www.dell.com/en-uk/shop/dell-10k-rpm-sas-hard-drive-6gbps-521e-25in-hot-plug-drive-24-tb/apd/400-ausl/storage-drives-media 17:34 <+layer-eight> * Willz12h → Dell 10K RPM SAS Hard Drive 6Gbps 521e 2.5in Hot-plug Drive- 2.4 TB | Dell UK 17:34 < abakedapplepie> 10k sas is dead? 17:34 < genr8__> everywhere but dell 17:34 < abakedapplepie> 15k now? 17:34 < DoctorDick> Willz12h, http://www.dell.com/en-uk/shop/sas-hard-drives/ar/8351 17:34 <+layer-eight> * DoctorDick → Shop SAS Hard Drives | Dell UK 17:34 < Willz12h> Well, we have a bunch of 10k drives and we need to expand it quickly so we need 3 more drives and then our server is full up 17:35 < genr8__> guess you're overpaying then 17:35 < genr8__> sucks for you 17:35 < vinrock> willz12h: https://www.amazon.co.uk/HGST-Ultrastar-C10-K1800-900-GB-10000rpm-huc101890css200/dp/B00LL2005Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1528385675&sr=8-1&keywords=HGST+SAS 17:35 < AnimalFarmPig> buy them second hand off ebay. In order to mitigate probability of failure, use the money you saved to buy several and add redundancy. I like to call such a setup a redundant array of inexpensive disks. 17:35 < vinrock> there's 7 new ones available 17:35 < genr8__> get rid of those pieces of shit old hardware and get 6 new drives 17:35 < abakedapplepie> hah. 17:35 < abakedapplepie> jokes 17:35 < abakedapplepie> i see them 17:36 < genr8__> i dont trust hard drives from amazon anymore 17:36 < corn266> stop buying seagate then 17:36 < genr8__> too many came poortly packaged, or wrong device id or firmware 17:36 < AnimalFarmPig> corn266: too close to home :( 17:36 < vinrock> thats pretty suspect 17:36 < catbeard> https://imgur.com/37OC3JK 17:36 <+layer-eight> * catbeard → IMGUR Image → Image/jpeg → a minute ago → 3432x4576 → ⚘ 2 17:36 < Willz12h> Yeah, well my boss as asked me to source some out because we need extra storage and he doesnt care for reduncancy or enterprise grade for these drives. 17:36 < catbeard> great flavor guys 17:36 < abakedapplepie> lol 17:36 < vinrock> man i want one of the hdd's that equation group managed to rewrite the controller somewhere during transit from the factory 17:37 < genr8__> so why are you trying to buy 10k RPM Sas drives if you dont care about redundancy or enterprise grade 17:37 < abakedapplepie> damn chinese hacking our hard drives 17:37 < abakedapplepie> genr8__: they at least have to match 17:37 < vinrock> heh it was the cia actually 17:37 < catbeard> posing as chinees 17:37 < DoctorDick> Willz12h, I mean if he doesn't care about the price 17:37 < genr8__> they don't need to match if you get rid of them all 17:37 < vinrock> they managed to rewrite the controllers on a bunch of brands 17:37 < DoctorDick> Get them from dell for the warranty 17:37 < abakedapplepie> lol, true 17:37 < Willz12h> Because we need the storage ASAP, we are out of space on one of the servers and they all have 10k SAS in them with 3 slots free. 17:37 < vinrock> which means, they hacked the manufacturers and got the source 17:37 < vinrock> which is baller af yo 17:38 < abakedapplepie> take drives from one of the not-full servers 17:38 < abakedapplepie> lmao 17:38 < AnimalFarmPig> network storage? 17:38 < catbeard> vinrock: you should check out coreboot 17:38 < Willz12h> Yeah network storage 17:38 < vinrock> ah nice 17:38 < genr8__> why can't you just run a normal server with 6 consumer drives ? 17:39 < Willz12h> we can because diffrent hardware and redundancy lol @abakedapplepie 17:39 < catbeard> genr8__: single point of failure 17:39 < genr8__> he said the redundancy on the 10k SAS drives is irrelevant 17:39 < catbeard> i'm talking about the server, not the drives 17:39 < Willz12h> we have lots of back ups and reduncancy just low storage on this one server, used for media storage 17:39 < vinrock> i just linked you a bunch of 10k sas drives for sale in jolly old england 17:39 < vinrock> go buy em 17:39 < genr8__> of unknown origin 17:40 < AnimalFarmPig> Willz12h: migrate the data off of that server onto another one with more modern hardware 17:40 < catbeard> i mean they're all unknown pm, also all subject to interdiction 17:40 < Willz12h> Where is the link lol Vinrock 17:40 < vinrock> https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B00LL2005Q/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new 17:40 < AnimalFarmPig> wait, sorry, disregard. I'm being a dick. 17:40 < vinrock> ok looks like i was wrong and only 1 is in england 17:40 < AnimalFarmPig> It's obvious solution, so you've likely already considered it. 17:40 < Spr1ng> Geez, ExMerge seems to work nicely! Extracting the mailbox right now lol. 17:40 < vinrock> but hey the others are in europe so uh 17:41 < vinrock> close 17:41 < vinrock> ish 17:41 < catbeard> vinrock: try that with philippines 17:41 < vinrock> you're in the philippines? 17:41 < catbeard> no, my company is 17:41 < catbeard> you can buy the drives sure 17:41 < vinrock> salamat 17:41 < catbeard> you'll get it 8 weeks later 17:41 < vinrock> putang ina 17:41 < catbeard> vinrock: funny enough one of my employees, his last name is salamat 17:42 < catbeard> i call him Mr. Thank you 17:42 < vinrock> im not surpised 17:42 < vinrock> pinoys have some wacky names 17:42 < vinrock> i have a cousin named bing 17:42 < vinrock> and another one named bong 17:42 < genr8__> catbeard: in that situation you would want to buy a tray of 20 of the most common drives, and always use a "generic" drive for all your projects 17:42 < catbeard> neg 17:42 < Willz12h> We cant reallt AnimalFarmPig. Thats why we are upgrading this servers storage. this server is down to like 0gb free and our other server is relitivly low on storage too. Boss is in meeting now for ££££ to expand it all :D 17:42 < catbeard> this is why storpool is a thing 17:42 < genr8__> you can't specialty order unique drives in time 17:42 < catbeard> remote network raid 17:43 < catbeard> no local storage, thin client with PXE provisioning 17:43 < AnimalFarmPig> Willz12h: yeah, sorry, realized after I said it that you had probably already considered it. Wouldn't be looking for 10k SAS drives if you hadn't :) 17:43 < grumplestiltzkin> something something circle back and use the cloud 17:43 < genr8__> so the drives are in the USA and the clients are in the philippines? :() 17:43 < catbeard> i mean ya 17:43 < deww> vinrock: you crazy pinoys 17:43 < AnimalFarmPig> Willz12h: errr... if simply upgrading server were a possibility 17:43 < catbeard> genr8__: even in PH it takes a while 17:43 < genr8__> nah i think he thought 10k SAS drives were a normal thing still 17:43 < catbeard> you should see how much these vendors want for commercial air filtration 17:44 < Willz12h> WELL :D It is :P AnimalFarmPig, we just need to deal with this NOW because its affecting people being able to work. Lots of this year budge is on infrastructure and we plan on getting new servers and storage and re do cables etc 17:44 < catbeard> 2000PPM CO2, 50% humidity 17:44 < catbeard> people already complaining of nausea and headaches 17:44 < genr8__> if this were me, I'd put in an order for 3 of the cheapest drives I could find... and petition the boss to write up a upgrade migration plan document to get off that old hard to find disks 17:44 < catbeard> onsite med staff 17:45 < catbeard> and the unit is like $20k 17:45 < catbeard> USD 17:45 < catbeard> if it were PHP that would be one thing 17:45 < genr8__> i'd tell him like "k i fixed the current problem for only $1000" but next time this happens it might be 5000 to just replace a few disks when you could get a whole server for that 17:46 < Willz12h> Yeah well we in essance want cheap, dont care for enterprise grade. Just has to be 10k SAS with a total of 1.2TB or more 17:46 < catbeard> Willz12h: has to be on-site? 17:46 < genr8__> buy the 1.2TB dell drive and figure out how you're gonna social engineer the conversation with your boss 17:46 < deww> if it's sas it's "enterprise" 17:48 < scwizard> bleh 17:48 < genr8__> also. "Extending" a hardware-controller based RAID array isnt possible i dont think unless its in JBOD mode 17:48 < scwizard> rds doesn't let you automagically make a read replica across vpcs 17:48 < DoctorDick> Willz12h, Do they have to be new? 17:48 < catbeard> genr8__: you mean like OCE or RLM 17:48 < genr8__> so inserting the extra disk may cause additional hassle 17:48 < scwizard> so you need to make it an external read replica 17:48 < scwizard> i fucking hate database migrations btw 17:48 < corn266> anyone know what user or process should own node-gyp files? 17:48 < genr8__> yes i mean things i never heard of 17:48 < scwizard> i think we're pushing on 2 weeks of this misery 17:48 < catbeard> OCE = online capacity expansion, RLM = RAID Level Migration 17:49 < Willz12h> The SAS is on site, cant be remote because it will be on a 10GB network for large media files. Idealy it would be new but Unsure if it matters. We pretty much need a "next day delivery" 17:49 < genr8__> so ask him if his server has those 2 features and i bet you'll get a ???? response 17:49 < deww> that's going to be tough to be next day 17:49 < deww> unless you find in store like microcenter or whatever your local version is 17:50 < catbeard> basically SM in PH 17:50 < Willz12h> Yeah, well sooner then later because every day they are asking to delete or migrate GB of data 17:50 < genr8__> these acronyms dont mean anything off the top of your head 17:50 < genr8__> need context 17:50 < DoctorDick> Willz12h, What's the manufacturer of your other 10k's? 17:50 < deww> Willz12h: where are you located geographically? 17:50 < deww> and how large are the disks you're looking for? 17:50 < catbeard> in Philippines, San Miguel malls you can buy most anything 17:51 < genr8__> even new old 10k rpm sas drives? 17:51 < Willz12h> UK, London. Unsure on actual HDD Manufature, all our Equipment is HP 17:51 < catbeard> i mean probably 17:51 < catbeard> they're pretty dated there 17:51 < catbeard> my office when i went was still using CAT5e 17:51 < genr8__> i want to see it. i like old stuff 17:51 < catbeard> ancient tech 17:52 < genr8__> did they ever make drives that exceeded 15k ? 17:52 < deww> genr8__: spinny disks? no 17:52 < deww> flash storage took over for speed 17:53 < genr8__> HDDs are such a precision instrument its amazing they work at all 17:53 < deww> Willz12h: amazon link someone gave you above prob your best bet 17:53 < genr8__> you know if you unscrew the screws on the top lid, and put them back on, the drive starts clicking. the rigidity of the top case means it lost alignment and calibration 17:54 < genr8__> of a regular hard drive 17:54 < catbeard> this is what we use 17:54 < catbeard> https://www.samsung.com/us/business/products/computing/ssd/enterprise/pm863a-3-84tb-mz-7lm3t8ne/ 17:54 <+layer-eight> * catbeard → Enterprise SSD PM863a SATA 3.84TB MZ-7LM3T8NE| Samsung Business 17:54 < deww> Willz12h: and can you expand? 17:54 < Willz12h> Yeah, Idealy we need 1.2TB SAS 10k drives. 17:54 < genr8__> im using a PM961 NVME M.2 250GB capacity i got on ebay for $88 17:54 < genr8__> works just like a 960 pro 17:54 < DoctorDick> What about this? https://www.amazon.co.uk/HDD-1-2TB-12G-SAS-10K/dp/B00UIESSKM/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1528386813&sr=1-1&keywords=HP+SAS+1.2TB 17:55 < Willz12h> We do also use SSD for Cache etc but need raw storage 17:55 < genr8__> 243 pounds is kind of a lot 17:55 < Willz12h> ALOT HAHAHAH, if you use GBLabs they carge you like £800 for 1 HDD 17:56 < genr8__> what extras do they give you for that extra price 17:56 < Willz12h> Apparerntly they charge so much because of licenses... 17:56 < genr8__> wtf. license on a hard drive ? 17:56 < Willz12h> and the seriel has to match bla bla 17:57 < Willz12h> The HDD seriels have to be linked into the NAS for the OS to work and be licensed.. 17:58 < scwizard> lol you think you own your HDD 17:58 < scwizard> nope you're licensing it 17:58 < genr8__> .... 17:58 < Willz12h> Yeah 17:58 < scwizard> that's everyone's business model these days 17:58 < Willz12h> and, we looked up the HDD models and we could buy it from some where else and it was like £240 17:58 < scwizard> i'm gonna open a resturant where we license the food to our customers 17:59 < deww> Willz12h: but if you ued the, you can prob get the drive in the next few hours, depending on your agreement 17:59 < Willz12h> Are you going to charge them if they dont bring the poo back? 17:59 < scwizard> yeah 17:59 < scwizard> i'm pretty sure that's how it works? 17:59 < Willz12h> Well this is for a diffrent server :D But still we need 1.2TB SAS Drives 17:59 < genr8__> i dont support companies like that. 18:00 < genr8__> they're hoping that they sell to a large enough corporation that nobody will call them on their BS 18:01 < Willz12h> Yeah 18:01 < Willz12h> Is anyone else here based in the UK too :D 18:01 < genr8__> i mean its one thing if $800 gets you an overnighted drive and an on-site technician but 300% markup for consumables? 18:01 < genr8__> nothx 18:02 < Willz12h> LOL, on site support. Never 18:02 < grumplestiltzkin> remember your proprietary hotswap sled/tray if applicable. Also, for funsies, some manufacturers (coughNETAPP*cough* like to fuck with using nonstandard sector sizes 18:02 < genr8__> England isnt that big 18:02 < genr8__> he could drive 18:03 < corn266> Anyone ever uninstalled learning locker before? 18:04 < abakedapplepie> no i only use reading rainbow 18:12 < Willz12h> Hey, so these are our current model HDD, HP EG1200JEHMC (1.2TB) and HP EG1800JEHMD (1.8). Ideally we would get the same 1.2TB. Know of a good reseller? As HP seams to want to see them for like £600+ 18:16 < DoctorDick> Willz12h, How much do you trust ebay? 18:16 < Willz12h> I dont :D 18:17 < Willz12h> It would be a option but I wouldnt recomend the call to use Ebay 18:17 < genr8__> im finding some sales in the US from actual companies for $274, 275, 285, 325 18:17 < DoctorDick> What's VAT? 18:17 < Willz12h> Cheapest I found so far is £290 exVAT for the 1.2TB 18:18 < Willz12h> VAT is the amount we pay to the govenment 18:18 < DoctorDick> Oh sales tax? 18:18 < genr8__> http://www.memory4less.com/hp-1-20tb-sas-12-0-gbps-hard-drive-eg1200jehmc?rid=13 18:18 < Willz12h> but as a business you dont pay it 18:18 < Willz12h> yeah 18:18 <+layer-eight> * genr8__ → EG1200JEHMC HP Hard Drive 18:18 < genr8__> https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=0DF-0052-008H1 18:18 <+layer-eight> * genr8__ → HP EG1200JEHMC 1.2Tb 10000Rpm Sas 12Gbps Sff 2.5Inch Sc Enterprise Hard Drive With Tray - Newegg.com 18:18 < DoctorDick> I found one for 239 pounds? 18:18 <@killdash9> ok, boys, spend my money. For VR, 1080 or 1080ti? Is the extra cash worth it? 18:18 < vinrock> https://www.serversupply.com/products/part_search/pid_lookup.asp?pid=308990&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIpuOSjPrB2wIVDq_ICh0ddQKqEAkYASABEgK4OPD_BwE 18:18 <+layer-eight> * vinrock → HP 876938-002 SAS-12GBPS 1.2TB-10000RPM HARD DRIVES W-TRAY Search Page. 18:19 < silentfury> killdash9: vr? titan x 18:19 < vinrock> $310USD with the tray 18:19 < Willz12h> 1080TI is better then the titan 18:19 < Willz12h> plus the titan has a 10% floting number error rate 18:19 < vinrock> ew 18:19 < DoctorDick> Those will definitely not get there in time 18:19 < DoctorDick> Willz12h, http://www.hotplugs.co.uk/shop/index.php?app=ecom&ns=prodshow&ref=781518-B21 18:19 <+layer-eight> * DoctorDick → HP 1.2TB 12G SAS SFF Enterprise HDD - Hotplugs UK - Online Server & Storage Specialists 18:20 < DoctorDick> idk where Kent is but they're located there 18:20 < Willz12h> Kent isnt bad 18:20 < rhqq> morning peeps 18:20 < DoctorDick> Maybe you can drive over? 18:20 < rhqq> wheres cryptic1? :O 18:21 < Willz12h> We could, but we are not in that kinda rush. We just tell them to delete crap :D 18:21 <@killdash9> my frame rates in Project Cars 2 are getting shit in VR. 30-40fps ain't cutting it 18:21 < vinrock> oh god i cant wait to vr race 18:21 < genr8__> so do you know if the RAID array will auto-expand capacity or what 18:22 <@killdash9> frame rates are fine in non-VR but once you've raced in VR you can't go back 18:22 < Willz12h> Genr8, for me? or :D 18:22 < genr8__> ye 18:22 < syere> omg, with VR racing, take one of the controllers and put it by beer. Drunk vr driving is the best! 18:22 < Willz12h> We can expand if they are 1.2T or 1.6T otherwise we will have to do a new raid and mount a new data pool 18:22 < rhqq> just imagine drunk gta in vr 18:22 < Willz12h> 1.8T* 18:22 < rhqq> 1st person 18:22 < vinrock> cant wait for vr gta also 18:22 <@killdash9> vinrock: I also have a nice force feedback setup. With VR you can get yourself pretty into it and disoriented even 18:23 < syere> highly recommend drunk VR driving. 18:23 <@killdash9> I've done drunk VR. Not a good mix. Welcome to puke-town. Population: you 18:23 < vinrock> klldash im gona buy the fanatec setup for forza 18:23 < vinrock> also yeah i know all about drunk gaming 18:23 < vinrock> i cant play eve online sober 18:23 <@killdash9> I've got the Thrustmaster t300 and Ferrari 599 wheel 18:23 < catbeard> imagine Leisure Suit Larry in VR 18:23 < vinrock> so i go out on a mission, get shitfaced and then killed on the way home 18:23 < vinrock> hah 18:24 < syere> vinrock: I used to be huge into eve, but the mechanics got to me eventually. I switched over to Elite Dangerous. You should check it out. 18:24 < ebol4> i want that spinning tea cup ride in vr 18:24 < dragonfleas> director of compliance whom lives in new england came in and i had laptop for her 18:24 < dragonfleas> i go to give her laptop 18:24 < vinrock> ive been meaning to check out elite dangerous but i do love eve, been playing since '09 18:24 < dragonfleas> and it's completely dead 18:24 < dragonfleas> it's brand new 18:24 < vinrock> im almost 200m sp now 18:24 < dragonfleas> working fine till she got here 18:24 < dragonfleas> she lives back to north carolina tomorrow 18:25 < dragonfleas> anybody else having a stormy day? 18:25 < catbeard> dragonfleas: friggin UK parts man 18:25 < vinrock> its cloudy out but try 18:25 < dragonfleas> on the brightside E3 is in 5 days 18:25 < dragonfleas> who's hyped for halo 6 18:25 < syere> vinrock: I was playing a few years before that. Was absolutely in love with the game, but what got me is you could never really pilot the ship. If you do get elite, make sure to buy horizons. I think the steam sale should be this month. Also if you can afford to, get a HOTAS. even the cheap $30 ones make the game so so real 18:25 < vinrock> ah yeah when i first fired up the demo i was like.... how the fuck do i move this ship 18:26 < vinrock> i dig it tho now 18:26 < vinrock> and definitely was thinking about a hotas for elite dangerous 18:26 < syere> vinrock: a old xbox 360 controller is also superior to the keyboard in elite 18:26 < Spr1ng> is VR for Elite worth it? 18:26 < syere> YES 18:26 < syere> it makes combat 10000x better 18:26 < vinrock> if you havent played eve in mad long tho you should hop in and check it out 18:26 < Spr1ng> I'm just a trader tho 18:26 < vinrock> the updated graphics are dope 18:26 < vinrock> and you can play for free now 18:27 < catbeard> do you need an acct 18:27 < Spr1ng> My ship is equipped for smuggling and getting out of sticky situations very quickly. 18:27 < syere> vinrock: i can't play my old account for free. to high level 18:27 < vinrock> yeah but you can make one for free 18:27 < catbeard> or Steam 18:27 < vinrock> ah 18:27 < vinrock> syere then you should give me your eve stuff ;p 18:27 < syere> LOL. i've got a decked out Orca and some heavy hitter ships in there. 18:28 * catbeard goes to make more hot apple cider 18:28 <@killdash9> vinrock: setup without VR. https://i.imgur.com/ToQMMQt.jpg 18:28 <+layer-eight> * killdash9 → IMAGE/JPEG Document, 161,518 bytes 18:28 < vinrock> you miught have some old rare shit thats been removed from the game and worth brazillions if you're a pre-'09 accout 18:28 < vinrock> oh sweet 18:28 < Spr1ng> In Eve? 18:28 < vinrock> i like the sloth portrait 18:28 < vinrock> heh 18:28 <+TuxedoJack> killdash9: fuckin' A, nice cup-thingy 18:28 < vinrock> spr1ng yea 18:28 <@killdash9> friend painted that for me 18:29 < Spr1ng> I have an '03 account 18:29 < vinrock> 'oh damn 18:29 < syere> Maybe I'll check it out again in a few months. I had two accounts back in the day, mostly because of mining. Orca would sit out there, and I had that small little ship, started with a N, to collect the stuff and run back and forth to the station 18:29 < vinrock> gimme your stuff 18:29 < Spr1ng> I have a huge inventory, what should I be looking for that is super rare? 18:29 < vinrock> i us 18:29 < vinrock> er 18:29 < vinrock> uh 18:29 < vinrock> gank people in highsec and do big fleet ops 18:30 < vinrock> spr1ng not sure off hand but there is a website where you can copy your inventory list into and it compares to all markets and gives you a value 18:30 < vinrock> if anything is super rare it wont get a value so you can find em easy 18:30 < Spr1ng> oo 18:31 < vinrock> didnt even have to be anything fancy like officer mods or anything like that, just some rplain ol' named shit that cost pennies back in the day could be worth billions 18:31 < Spr1ng> I'll have a look. 18:31 < genr8__> i just now realized thats a 2.5" 1.2TB 10k rpm disk not 3.5" 18:31 < JFDkthx> vinrock: no one likes eve 18:31 < vinrock> except me 18:31 < vinrock> :( 18:31 < JFDkthx> reeeeeeeeeeee 18:32 < JFDkthx> i wonder if im still in broski 18:32 < syere> Na, Eve was cool, and a lot of fun. 18:32 < vinrock> we still have a pretty big crew playing tho 18:32 < JFDkthx> or if the corp is dead now 18:32 < vinrock> i think its dead 18:32 < JFDkthx> go fucking eve who ares XII 18:33 < vinrock> im in goonwaffe :x 18:33 < Spr1ng> oh 18:33 < JFDkthx> yeah i know ur a fucking cfc shitter 18:33 < vinrock> lawl 18:33 < dragonfleas> Halo 6 confirmed boys 18:33 < JFDkthx> all thats behind me now 18:33 < JFDkthx> no grudge 18:33 < vinrock> i dont like the cfc either 18:33 < vinrock> pretty much no goons do 18:33 < vinrock> but hey we need warm bodies to keep us livin the life 18:34 < JFDkthx> hey man, BL. only went where we were paid to. 18:34 < JFDkthx> unless there was mad supers we could drop 18:34 < vinrock> yeah you guys operate kinda on the pl model 18:34 < catbeard> you guys are saying strange words 18:35 < catbeard> that or the acid is kicking in, prolly both 18:35 < vinrock> we're talking about EVE:ONLINE a spacegame that's easy to learn and fun to play 18:35 < JFDkthx> vinrock: i miss kugu 18:35 < vinrock> yeah he was a chillbro 18:35 < catbeard> didn't Star Trek online update come out yesterday 18:35 < JFDkthx> not the person 18:36 < JFDkthx> the forum 18:36 < JFDkthx> u dorf 18:36 < vinrock> forum was ok, too much nerd rage for me 18:36 < JFDkthx> kugu died and all shitposting went to reddit instead 18:36 < vinrock> kugu the dude was cool tho 18:36 < vinrock> there was another forum 18:36 < vinrock> i cant remember the name 18:36 < vinrock> but it was basically all the mouthbreathers from kugu 18:36 < JFDkthx> SA 18:36 < JFDkthx> kek 18:36 < JFDkthx> heheheheh 18:36 < vinrock> rekt 18:38 < onenerdyguy> Anyone got a suggestion for some cheap-ish storage for a hyper-v lab? 18:39 < Hatsjoe> Some old hardware stored at home 18:39 < JFDkthx> onenerdyguy: have you heard of the CLOUD 18:39 < Hatsjoe> And also that 18:39 < Hatsjoe> The cloud is amazing 18:39 < onenerdyguy> JFDkthx, clouds providing ISCSI now huh 18:39 < onenerdyguy> Hatsjoe, yeah, thats what I'm thinking, just wondering if anyone had a suggestion since I'm gonna be ebay shoppin 18:39 < JFDkthx> onenerdyguy: have the entire lab in the cloud 18:40 < JFDkthx> get whatever u need 18:40 < onenerdyguy> it's not the VM's I need, it's learning the hypervisor 18:40 < ebol4> onenerdyguy: you can get the 8tb WD easystores on ebay and rip the hard drive out of them 18:40 < ebol4> they're like $170 or $180 iirc 18:40 < onenerdyguy> ebol4, yeah, I got disk, thats no problem. 18:40 < McDonaldsWiFi> sigh.. i was having a good day then BOOM 18:40 < onenerdyguy> ebol4, need something to put em in 18:40 < ebol4> a computer 18:40 < McDonaldsWiFi> phishign storm on our emails 18:40 < vinrock> i hate when non-tech people unironically use "the cloud" 18:40 < onenerdyguy> ebol4, well, yes, hence the question :P 18:41 < JFDkthx> onenerdyguy: attach em to a linux and fuckin freenas that shit 18:41 < JFDkthx> er 18:41 < onenerdyguy> ebol4, i got no spare machiens with 8+ 3.5 slots available at the moment. 18:41 < ebol4> i have a fractal design node 804 that i got for like $20 on craigslist 18:41 < ebol4> has 8 3.5" slots and 2 2.5" 18:42 < onenerdyguy> huh, wonder how a Dell T320 would do 18:42 < JFDkthx> uhoh, why is amazon showing me this 18:42 < JFDkthx> https://www.amazon.com/That-Time-Reincarnated-Slime-Vol-ebook/dp/B0743N1M9L 18:43 < JFDkthx> what do they know about me that i dont 18:43 < vinrock> ur a weeb 18:43 < vinrock> hyuk hyuk 18:44 < JFDkthx> i've AKSHUALLY already read this. 18:44 < JFDkthx> but it was okay at best. 18:44 < Hatsjoe> Oh god... 18:48 < gavit> ebol4: 20$? I should craiglist 18:49 < ebol4> i had to drive like 40 minutes for it, but yeah, extremely good deal 18:50 < gavit> well, here I just use an old computer case and tiewrap stuff :( 18:50 < gavit> CBA to pay 100$ for a case 18:50 < gavit> esp if I still have to ship it and wait 2 months for it 18:50 < JFDkthx> make ur own out of hopes and deams. 18:53 < ebol4> just nail the motherboard to a sheet of MDF 18:53 < ebol4> hot glue the hard drives 18:53 < abakedapplepie> ive done that before 18:53 < abakedapplepie> dont joke 18:53 < catbeard> anyone played Black Ice? 18:53 < abakedapplepie> hung it on the wall 18:54 < abakedapplepie> nice zero-footprint computer case with excellent cooling 18:54 < abakedapplepie> :P 18:54 < ebol4> i almost did that with a sheet of plexiglass, but the motherboard was DOA and i just ended up giving up 18:54 < abakedapplepie> i didnt even use standoffs 18:54 < abakedapplepie> i just put wood screws in 18:54 < abakedapplepie> not all the way cranked down though 18:54 < ebol4> i guess wood is a bad conductor anyway 18:54 < abakedapplepie> yes 18:55 < abakedapplepie> and it was technically plywood 18:55 < abakedapplepie> not mdf 18:55 < ebol4> did you at least paint it 18:55 < abakedapplepie> no lol 18:55 < ebol4> lord 18:55 < gavit> ebol4: I ran a server with all components on my desk, no hot glue etc 18:55 < abakedapplepie> 0 effort 18:55 < ebol4> "temporary" test bench 18:56 < Casteil> fuckin rage 18:56 < ebol4> yeah errARRARHGHH 18:56 < ebol4> glad we got that out of our system 18:56 < Casteil> 1. how many times do I have to tell this mother fucker that I am not involved with anything information systems he uses 18:56 < Casteil> 2. put an IT request in you fuck! 18:56 < Casteil> >.> 18:57 < Casteil> s/anything/any of the/ 18:57 <+layer-eight> [SED Casteil] 1. how many times do I have to tell this mother fucker that I am not involved with any of the information systems he uses 19:00 < catbeard> ya Steam imma buy FISHING PLANET 19:03 < ebol4> all the fun of being bored out of your mind and none of the dinner 19:03 < Nightcinder> https://worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/114033/how-can-santa-keep-his-lists-when-gdpr-is-around 19:03 <+layer-eight> * Nightcinder → reality check - How can Santa keep his lists when GDPR is around? - Worldbuilding Stack Exchange 19:03 < gavit> anyone here tried openstack yet? 19:04 < gavit> I've just installed the packstack to check it out 19:04 < Nightcinder> stack that open 19:05 < abakedapplepie> Nightcinder: lol 19:06 < rootsudo> Man 2 weeks in, I'm burned out 19:06 < ebol4> F O U R M O R E H O U R S 19:06 < rootsudo> I think I don't care for IT anymore 19:06 < rootsudo> From o365 to sharepoint to now doing help desk tickets 19:06 < rootsudo> fuck that noise 19:07 < rootsudo> I should quit 19:07 < rootsudo> I took the rest of the day off 19:07 < ebol4> maybe you should find a better it job, those sound awful 19:07 < rootsudo> I need the money but on the other hand man I just fuck off all day in the cubicle 19:07 < Alternity> i would quit to if i had to maintain sharepoint 19:07 < Nightcinder> sounds more like the job than IT 19:07 < Nightcinder> i have a nice office 19:07 < Alternity> thats 99% of the posts about burnout on the sub 19:07 < rootsudo> I don't remember when I last liked IT 19:08 < ebol4> you could be a park ranger 19:08 < Nightcinder> a dong ranger 19:08 < rootsudo> don't want to live middle of no where 19:08 < Alternity> people say 'I hate working in IT' and turns out they've worked for one shit company for 10 years 80 hours a week 19:08 <@Code_Man65> Work to live, don't live to work 19:08 < rootsudo> no, I don't work hard at this company, most days I put in 2 hours of work, an hour of side chatter and the rest of 5 as killing time/listening to other conversations 19:08 < rootsudo> honestly I was imagining how hard would it be to be in the military 19:09 < rootsudo> Military life is easy, right 19:09 <@Code_Man65> rootsudo: Tell that to my friend who has PTSD due to Iraq 19:09 < rootsudo> Code_Man65 PTSD or obesity 19:09 < rootsudo> I probably do the PTSD 19:09 <@Code_Man65> PTSD 19:09 < vinrock> i started in corporate, went to a startup, both good jobs and successful companies. i burnt out because i hated being indoors staring at a computer screen all day. 19:09 < vinrock> so I left tech for 7 years 19:09 < rootsudo> Code_Man65 yeah see 19:09 < vinrock> and went into construction 19:09 < rootsudo> vinrock that's what Im' feeling too 19:09 < rootsudo> I'm going to do a farm 19:10 < vinrock> do you man dont feel like youre boxed in 19:10 < vinrock> only live once 19:10 < mrghostman> i'd do farming in a heartbeat if i could make the same living at it 19:10 < vinrock> thats why i went back into tech, couldnt see any growth in construction unless i started a general contracting business 19:10 < vinrock> and that isnt working in tech, thats being an entrepreneur 19:11 < vinrock> er 19:11 < vinrock> construction 19:11 < vinrock> so its be boring shit all over again 19:12 <+giant_it_burrit> id work on cars if i could make the same 19:12 < vinrock> yeah same deal tho, you wont make bank unless you oipen your own garage 19:12 < vinrock> and its sucessful 19:12 <+giant_it_burrit> i said if i could make the same 19:12 < vinrock> and do you want to be parts changers or building hot rods 19:13 <+giant_it_burrit> id rather build 19:13 <+giant_it_burrit> if i could 19:13 <+giant_it_burrit> i love welding 19:13 < vinrock> of course 19:13 < vinrock> i spend like 90% of my off time at my buddy's shop working on stuff 19:13 <+giant_it_burrit> i want to take the time and do beautiful works 19:13 <+giant_it_burrit> have those welds that are pornographic 19:13 < vinrock> ooh nice 19:13 <+giant_it_burrit> the colors 19:13 <+giant_it_burrit> the patterns 19:13 < vinrock> i been wanting to learn how to tig weld 19:13 < vinrock> buddys shop doesnt have one tho and i aint buying one 19:14 <+giant_it_burrit> vinrock: https://www.instagram.com/focusonthearc/?hl=en 19:14 <+giant_it_burrit> like this 19:14 < vinrock> is that you 19:14 <+giant_it_burrit> nah 19:14 <+ihre> i think i wouldnt exactly mind machinist work, https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCw3UZn1tcVe7pH3R6C3Gcng this guy does some amazing stuff in his garage 19:14 <+giant_it_burrit> but thats what i want to do 19:14 <+layer-eight> * ihre → Abom79 - YouTube 19:14 < vinrock> yeah those welds are gorgeous 19:15 <+ihre> or something like creating knives, https://www.instagram.com/tashibharucha/?hl=en 19:15 < Casteil> there's another guy on youtube that does some sexy stuff with welds 19:15 < vinrock> dude i must forge a knife this summer 19:15 < vinrock> i been watching forged in fire 19:15 < Casteil> I think his youtube account is 6061 or something 19:16 < Casteil> 6061.com 19:16 <+ihre> https://grimsmo-knives.myshopify.com/ fully cnc'd pocket knives 19:16 < Casteil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GegF7UcQvH8 19:16 <+layer-eight> * ihre → Grimsmo Knives 19:16 <+layer-eight> * Casteil → YouTube → TIG Welding Stainless- Wrapping a gift → ⚘ 727,197 ↑ 5,244 ↓ 325 ✍ 0 19:16 <+ihre> awesome stuff 19:16 < vinrock> man 19:16 < vinrock> custom knives are so goddamn expensive 19:16 <+ihre> that guy also started in his parents garage, now has a big ass shop 19:17 <@Code_Man65> vinrock: Yeah, but they are also really damn nice 19:17 < Casteil> vinrock: adds up quick when they're not being mass produced. 19:17 < vinrock> there's a kid on youtube named Alec Steele who puts out boatloads of good forging videos 19:17 < mrghostman> i need to get a good knife sharpening kit 19:17 < Casteil> I mean if you consider what we might make per hour and how many hours it might take someone to create something like that 19:17 <+ihre> midtech starts at 7-900$, easily goes towards 3k :P 19:17 < Casteil> I can see how they'd easily get into the hundreds or thousands of dollars 19:18 < vinrock> yeah id worry though, what if your shit just aint popular and you wind up with tons of inventory and no buyers 19:18 < vinrock> shits only worth as much as it sells for 19:18 < Casteil> I've watched Alec Steele for years 19:18 < vinrock> i found him a few months back 19:18 < Casteil> since he was in that rickety old shop of his, doing live streams and stuff 19:18 <@Code_Man65> vinrock: Most smiths don't make a knife until its ordered 19:18 < Casteil> used to look forward to his saturday night live streams haha 19:18 < vinrock> ah 19:19 < Casteil> if you want an inexpensive knife you have to take a risk and buy from an up and coming blacksmith 19:19 <+ihre> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCW0TDikags building a 5k knive, looks so damn good 19:19 <+layer-eight> * ihre → YouTube → I visit Stan Wilson's shop! Watch how an epic knife is made by a living legend → ⚘ 651,698 ↑ 5,358 ↓ 225 ✍ 909 19:19 < vinrock> i think i can make something nice 19:19 < Casteil> alec steele could probably sell his knives for $2000-5000 given his popularity 19:19 < vinrock> pretty sure id fuck up the heat treat too 19:19 < Casteil> speaking of heat treat 19:20 <+ihre> he manufactures the tooling for his customers to be able to 'service' the knives themselves 19:20 < vinrock> thats pretty rad 19:20 <@Code_Man65> Keep in mind there are two important parts of the heat treat 19:20 <@Code_Man65> The hardening, and the tempering 19:20 <@Code_Man65> And messing up either one can fuck you 19:20 < Casteil> I don't understand why alec steele hasn't made a proper forge and heat treatment kiln for his longer knives/swords 19:20 < vinrock> after watching forged in fire for the past few years, heat treating seems like fuckin voodoo 19:21 <+ihre> vinrock: https://www.alphaknifesupply.com/timascus.htm :p 19:21 <+layer-eight> * ihre → Timascus - AKS™ Premium Knife Making Materials and Supplies. 19:21 < Casteil> I think a lot of the problems he has with warping boil down to the fact that he doesn't have a good way to evenly heat his blades 19:21 <+ihre> damascus forging but with titanium 19:22 < Casteil> for quenching OR tempering 19:22 < vinrock> damn 19:22 < vinrock> thats dope 19:22 < vinrock> i was searching for a 1911 slide the other day 19:22 < vinrock> caspian arms sells damascus slides for like $850 19:23 <+ihre> but isnt that milled then? 19:23 < vinrock> yup 19:23 <+ihre> kind of a shame 19:23 < vinrock> i forgot who manufactures the billet, but it comes from sweden 19:23 <+ihre> i mean, damascus gets its patterns and strength from the folding 19:23 < vinrock> ohh its a forged billet they then machine 19:24 < vinrock> https://www.caspianarms.com/slides/long-6-slide-damascus 19:24 <+layer-eight> * vinrock → Long 6" Slide, Damascus | Caspian Arms 19:24 < rhqq> ihre: hi 19:24 < vinrock> ok this is the supplier: http://www.damasteel.se 19:24 <+layer-eight> * vinrock → DAMASTEEL - CUTTING EDGE. AND LOOKS TOO. 19:24 <+ihre> sup rhqq 19:24 < rhqq> california =] 19:25 <+ihre> oh nice 19:25 < rhqq> yeah 19:25 <+ihre> what are you doing on irc, gtfo, go outside :D 19:25 < rhqq> just came back 19:25 < rhqq> ;p 19:26 <+ihre> vinrock: lol, remelt excess steel into new billets, damascusception 19:26 < vinrock> hah 19:27 <+ihre> rhqq: are you in cali for work? 19:27 < rhqq> nah 19:27 < rhqq> i work remotely, so just my hours shifted 19:27 < Casteil> honestly I don't really care for a lot of Alec Steele's damascus patterns 19:27 < rhqq> its just part of my travel&work lifestyle :P 19:27 <+ihre> fancy 19:27 < vinrock> he did do a twist damascus recently that was pretty nice 19:27 < vinrock> then he did another one and twisted the living hell out of it and it looked like shite 19:27 < Casteil> some of them are neat, but a lot of them IMO are just sort of... incongruous 19:28 <+ihre> it does get tacky fast 19:28 <+ihre> same with that timascus, use too much and it turns into a kiddy knife 19:29 < Casteil> there's a guy on youtube who does a lot of neat damascus using braided steel cabling and such 19:30 < corn266> rip someone's balls 19:30 < Casteil> https://youtu.be/bYZ0HCyLJQ4?t=485 < This one is absolutely amazing looking 19:30 <+layer-eight> * Casteil → ⚓ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYZ0HCyLJQ4&feature=youtu.be&t=485 → YouTube → Dagger blade Damascus of the cable → ⚘ 4,654,720 ↑ 33,267 ↓ 2,668 ✍ 2,083 19:31 < rhqq> Casteil: yeah, this ukrainin dude makes wonders of steel 19:31 < Casteil> he does a lot of experimentation with forge welding all sorts of random steel for his damascus 19:32 < Casteil> bike chains, nails, screws, etc 19:33 < Casteil> I still think that dagger from steel cable I just linked is one of the nicest blades I've ever seen 19:34 < rhqq> this is what you actually do to make these patterns 19:34 < rhqq> you throw a bunch of random steel (of random purpose) 19:34 < rhqq> forge/press, twist, forge/press, twist 19:35 < rhqq> shape, harden, bake, file, etch done 19:36 <+ihre> omg, "Until the EU clarifies “GDPR Compliance”, we cannot accept any new customers from the EU" 19:36 < Casteil> I really wish alec would try some cable damascus 19:37 < Casteil> knowing him though he'd probably do it, then "mosaic" it, then etch it way too much :X 19:38 < felda> aww yis 19:38 < felda> starting to get ahead of my bills and finish them off 19:39 < felda> pay monthly bills 19:39 < felda> now I just have cash in my pocket 19:39 < felda> cold, rock-hard, throbbing, erect cash in my pocket 19:41 < ebol4> don't they usually call those Johns? 19:43 < Casteil> crapola, I'm kinda nodding off at work >.> 19:43 < Hunterkll> only kind of? 19:43 < Hunterkll> SOMEONE GET THIS MAN SOME BENADRYL ! 19:47 < Casteil> working on a thorough guide for new software functionality the owner of the company himself dictated 19:47 < alazare619> using security filtering on a GPO 19:47 < alazare619> its a user policy i want only a certain group of users to have it applied i linked it top level 19:47 < alazare619> can i remove authenticated users as long as the users i want it applied to are apart of a security group i have linked in the policy? 19:48 < Casteil> though we're not deploying until early next week so really I should be getting some thoughts together for the meeting with my boss tomorrow for a "9 month plan" for the software 19:48 < Casteil> I really hope it's not a "Company owner wants us to start selling this software in 9 months" type situation. 19:48 < alazare619> its basically a policy to push proxy server 19:48 < Casteil> we're barely keeping up with evolving requirements within our own company.. 19:49 < Casteil> actually we're not, we've got at least like a 4 month backlog right now for all the requests in the queue 19:49 < Hunterkll> alazare619, no, you'll break group policy processing 19:49 < Hunterkll> alazare619, you CANNOT remove auth'd users 19:49 < alazare619> but it wont apply to any "auth" user then will it? 19:49 < Hatter> gee whiz am I busy this week 19:49 < alazare619> so if i leave authed and then tag restricted_internet 19:50 < Hunterkll> alazare619, item level targeting exists 19:50 < alazare619> it will only apply to restricted internet 19:50 < Hunterkll> (for the record, microsoft has always said removing authenticated users (read) was a BAD IDEA since GPMC was introduced) 19:50 < Hatter> do you guys think they found aliens 19:50 < alazare619> cant do item level for internet settings 19:50 < Hatter> nasa news in 10 minutes 19:51 < Hunterkll> then make a sub OU 19:51 <@Code_Man65> "aliens" 19:51 < Hunterkll> if you can't, your OU design doesn't line up with your organizational needs 19:51 < Heresiarch> Hatter: ...dunno. Have you had any bureaucrats interviewing you recently? 19:51 < Hatter> I don't get it 19:51 < alazare619> yea Hunterkll i know this 19:51 < alazare619> and i'm not going to potentially restructure EVERYTHING 19:51 < alazare619> a 5th fucking time in 3 years 19:51 < Hunterkll> lolololo 19:51 < Hatter> Heresiarch: Were you implying I'm Mexican? you lost me with that one 19:51 < Hunterkll> alazare619, make a security group, have GPO apply to security group 19:51 < Hunterkll> ? 19:52 < Heresiarch> Hatter: I doubt NASA interviews Mexicans. 19:52 < alazare619> thats what i'm asking actually 19:52 < alazare619> i've never done this 19:52 < Heresiarch> well, I doubt they hold news conferences about interviewing Mexicans. 19:52 < Hunterkll> alazare619, https://www.grouppolicy.biz/2010/05/how-to-apply-a-group-policy-object-to-individual-users-or-computer/ 19:52 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll → How to apply a Group Policy Object to individual users or computer 19:52 < JollyRgrs> Hatter: you got a link for nasa live feed for the news? i guess on nasa's website? 19:52 < Hunterkll> alazare619, that's your answer right there. 100% correct answer 19:52 < alazare619> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/EZU1nGKd/image.png 19:52 <+layer-eight> * alazare619 → IMAGE/PNG Document, 7,215 bytes 19:53 < Hunterkll> alazare619, just do what i linked 19:53 < Hunterkll> that'\s the right way to do it 19:53 < JollyRgrs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwMDvPCGeE0 19:53 <+layer-eight> * JollyRgrs → YouTube → NASA TV Public-Education → ⚘ 21,719,877 ↑ 182,847 ↓ 10,913 ✍ 46 19:53 < Hunterkll> basically yank apply permissions, but still leave read, and delegate apply to a subset 19:53 < Hatter> JollyRgrs: is that it? 19:54 < JollyRgrs> yeah 19:54 < alazare619> omg 19:54 < alazare619> my delegation tab on this policy is fucking horendus 19:54 < alazare619> even worse then my spelling 19:55 < Hunterkll> alazare619, most people can't do AD properly 19:55 < Hunterkll> so you get shit like that 19:55 < Hunterkll> lol 19:57 < alazare619> ive done delegation in the past quiet a bit for certain parts of AD 19:57 < alazare619> never for GPMC tho 19:57 < alazare619> always used item level or individual links 19:57 < JollyRgrs> alazare619: i think you were closer to spelling Honduras than horrendous 19:57 <@ravioli> http://www.ustream.tv/nasahdtv 19:57 <+layer-eight> * ravioli → NASA Public-Education 19:57 < grumplestiltzkin> passive directory 19:57 < grumplestiltzkin> passive-aggressive directory 19:57 < alazare619> the sole requirement of having to enable loopback merge and replace depending on which pc and or vdi they are using has fucked so much shit 19:58 < JollyRgrs> ravioli: is ustream or youtube better? 19:58 < Hatter> ravioli: quick! tell him! 19:58 < JollyRgrs> only 2 minutes left! 19:58 <@ravioli> idk 19:58 <@ravioli> probably the same stream 19:58 < Hunterkll> alazare619, you ever read https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/askds/2013/02/08/circle-back-to-loopback/ and https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/askds/2013/05/21/back-to-the-loopback-troubleshooting-group-policy-loopback-processing-part-2/ 19:58 < Hunterkll> ? 19:58 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll → Back to the Loopback: Troubleshooting Group Policy loopback processing, Part 2 | Ask the Directory Services Team 19:58 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll → Circle Back to Loopback | Ask the Directory Services Team 19:58 < grumplestiltzkin> didnt youstream turn into twitch? Whereas youtube started as a video-dating site 19:59 < JollyRgrs> grumplestiltzkin: wut? 19:59 < ebol4> justin.tv turned into twitch 19:59 < JollyRgrs> ebol4: orly? i didn't know that 19:59 < ebol4> yeah babey 19:59 < JollyRgrs> i forgot about justin.tv 19:59 < Hunterkll> grumplestiltzkin, ustream turned into ... IBM 19:59 < vinrock> involuntary bowel movement 19:59 < JollyRgrs> but yeah, youtube started as a place to share your videos...? 20:00 < grumplestiltzkin> your dating videos 20:00 < JollyRgrs> no? 20:00 < grumplestiltzkin> yes 20:00 < grumplestiltzkin> check the wayback mang 20:00 <@ravioli> they're live 20:00 < JollyRgrs> grumplestiltzkin: TIL 20:00 < ebol4> YOUR dating videos specifically JollyRgrs 20:00 <@ravioli> and only yours 20:00 < JollyRgrs> i love how that Dr really dressed up 20:01 < vinrock> fark.com started as a single page hosting a picture of a squirrel with huge nuts 20:01 < vinrock> my funfact contribution for the day 20:01 <@ravioli> yahoo.com started as a meatspin mirror 20:01 < JollyRgrs> ebol4: nah, mine were done as flash animations and published on albinosheep 20:01 < vinrock> i totally forgot about albinoblacksheep 20:01 < JollyRgrs> *black 20:01 < JollyRgrs> yeah 20:01 < vinrock> remember steakandcheese 20:02 < Hatter> I'm losing interest in this already 20:02 < vinrock> didn't ogrigh b ecome liveleak 20:02 < vinrock> er 20:02 < vinrock> ogrish 20:02 < JollyRgrs> i could see that happening 20:02 < JollyRgrs> ogrish had some nasty stuff... like Hunterkll level 20:02 < Hunterkll> lol 20:03 <@ravioli> omg someone turned off his mic 20:03 < JollyRgrs> this dude's audio sucks 20:03 <@ravioli> slowly turned it down 20:03 < JollyRgrs> yeah 20:03 < Nightcinder> am i a bad person 20:03 < Hatter> kaotic is the new site I think everyone uses 20:03 < JollyRgrs> i bet his battery went out 20:03 < Nightcinder> if i put a giant picture of our CEO as the wallpaper of all our thin clients? 20:03 < JollyRgrs> always fresh batts in a wireless mic 20:03 < Hatter> I just saw a rough video there of a guy with his genitalia bitten off from a tiger sharlk 20:03 < JollyRgrs> Nightcinder: depends on if the picture does CEO a solid or if it should not be used at all 20:04 <@ravioli> :p 20:04 < Nightcinder> he's smiling 20:04 < Hatter> was it the word genitalia? 20:04 < Nightcinder> does that count 20:04 <@ravioli> it was the word sharlk 20:04 < Nightcinder> and looking directly at the camera 20:04 < JollyRgrs> Nightcinder: if he was the guy that Hatter was talking about... you should NOT put that picture on the wallpaper 20:04 < Hatter> oh fair enough 20:04 < vinrock> hatter you seen the uncensored vid of that? 20:04 <@ravioli> i gave up on thsi stream 20:04 < Hatter> yes 20:04 < vinrock> aye caramba 20:04 < vinrock> i read about that on the shitter yesterday 20:04 < vinrock> felt chills go through my body 20:05 < JollyRgrs> Dr Jennifer is not hot like i had hoped 20:05 < JollyRgrs> i want a hot nasa Dr lady 20:05 < felda> today has been really weird for me 20:05 < felda> I actually had a real sitdown meeting which we never do 20:05 < JollyRgrs> this lady's 80s hair is pretty awesome though 20:06 < felda> then one person asked me about sending GIFs through text on Android so I got her setup with GBoard 20:06 < JollyRgrs> lol 20:06 < felda> suddenly everyone wanted that so I spent 30 minutes getting my users all setup with Textra and GBoard lmao 20:06 < JollyRgrs> textra? 20:06 < felda> yeah it's a texting app that is $100% way better than stock apps 20:07 < JollyRgrs> what's it do? 20:07 < JollyRgrs> i mean, really the only txts i get now are like verizon telling me that my bill is ready or a dr's office confirming an appt 20:07 < JollyRgrs> most otherwise, i get hangouts or email 20:07 < abakedapplepie> i communicate exclusively through text 20:07 < abakedapplepie> even irc gets run through an sms proxy 20:07 < felda> right I use facebook messenger for everything but Textra has a nice interface and can autosave all incoming pictures and stuff like that 20:07 < dragonfleas> north korea talks are back on 20:07 < dragonfleas> yay no nukes 20:07 <@Code_Man65> I have a friend who uses android phones, but refuses to use hangouts 20:08 < JollyRgrs> :( 20:08 < abakedapplepie> you use facebook messenger for everything? 20:08 < abakedapplepie> why the fuck would you do something like that 20:08 < JollyRgrs> hangouts is so nice 20:08 < vinrock> i dont use hangouts 20:08 < JollyRgrs> vinrock: b/c others don't, or a specific reason why? 20:08 < vinrock> nobody i know really does 20:08 < vinrock> i have like one buddy that does 20:08 <@Code_Man65> He refuses to use it because they killed the desktop gtalk application 20:08 < JollyRgrs> i also use bitlbee to use hangouts on IRC... if only it supported group chats 20:09 < JollyRgrs> i am upset with that... but isn't THAT big of a problem 20:09 <@Code_Man65> Yeah, he's stubborn and despises change 20:10 < Nightcinder> JollyRgrs: corporate controller just walked in, looked at my coworker and i and just shook his head and asked why we wanted to scare people so much 20:10 < vinrock> are you two a pair of surly neckbeards 20:10 < JollyRgrs> haha 20:10 < Nightcinder> vinrock: no i changed the wallpaper of our thin clients to a picture of my CEO 20:10 < Nightcinder> a close up of his face 20:11 < vinrock> heh i didnt think you were actually doing it 20:11 < corn266> you actually went through with it Nightcinder ? 20:15 < Nightcinder> corn266: what? 20:15 < Nightcinder> the face? 20:15 < Nightcinder> fuck yeah i did 20:15 < corn266> oh nice 20:18 < Hatter> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3niFzo5VLI <-- soyuz launch,2 minutes 20:18 <+layer-eight> * Hatter → YouTube → 🔴 LIVE: ISS Expedition 56-57 Launch: Russian Soyuz MS-09 Launch Astronauts to ISS → ⚘ 23,473,290 ↑ 283,084 ↓ 42,103 ✍ 137 20:19 < darkscrypt> i've done something similar with thin clients at a past job. I deployed a my little pony thing to the bosses thin client, just his, so he thought it went out to corporate 20:19 < vinrock> oh shit manned spacecraft 20:19 < vinrock> doooope 20:19 < darkscrypt> I took our logo and made it have my little ponies on it 20:21 < Nightcinder> i did just change the face though 20:21 < Nightcinder> from ceo to the warehouse guy 20:22 < vinrock> is it just the perspective or did that thing seems to launch crazy fast 20:23 < vinrock> eh i guess it seems like that since the camera didnt zoom at all 20:24 <@ravioli> Hatter: fake news. 20:24 < corn266> Yea it says NASA so obv it's an american rocket 20:24 <@ravioli> no i mean 20:24 <@ravioli> youtube channels say they're live 20:24 <@ravioli> and pretend they're live 20:24 <@ravioli> https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/soyuz-rocket-launch-iss-nasa-astronaut-aboard-ncna879801 20:24 <+layer-eight> * ravioli → Soyuz rocket launches to ISS with NASA astronaut aboard 20:24 <@ravioli> but it happened yesterday 20:25 < vinrock> oh goddamnit 20:25 <@ravioli> why post a link to a youtube stream by a channel that's obviously not official 20:25 <@ravioli> ? 20:25 < vinrock> now im mad 20:25 <@ravioli> i just searched soyuz launch and, no, it happened yesterday 20:25 <@ravioli> took about 10 seconds 20:25 < mrghostman> yeah, i watched it live yesterday 20:25 < corn266> Q U A L I T Y C O N T E N T https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P11y8N22Rq0 20:25 <+layer-eight> * corn266 → YouTube → NASA TV Media → ⚘ 3,912,208 ↑ 34,706 ↓ 2,492 ✍ 6 20:26 < ebol4> lol 2492 thumbs down 20:26 < ebol4> SPACE SUCKS 20:26 < Hunterkll> lol 20:26 < Hunterkll> temporarily downgraded to i7-7800X 20:26 < Hunterkll> stability testing 20:26 < Hunterkll> :D 20:28 <@ravioli> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/06/06/microsoft_dunks_another_data_centre_underwater_for_natick_2/ 20:29 < zerocool> guys is it bad or less than good to connect random applications up to ad via ldap? 20:29 < Heresiarch> zerocool: depends. Are you using some form of wire encryption (SSL/STARTTLS)? 20:31 < zerocool> Heresiarch: we dont currently do this, so no. 20:31 < zerocool> unless you mean between apps and clients then yes and always 20:32 < Heresiarch> zerocool: I mean between apps and the LDAP directory. It's still an overall good thing to hook as many apps up to a centralized authentication/authorization base, but depending on your requirements/architecture, lacking in lookup encryption could be problematic. 20:33 < zerocool> Heresiarch: I have my sights set on implimenting an independed directory using openldap, maybe as a proxy to ad 20:34 < zerocool> and yeah Ill be using some form of encryption 20:34 <@Code_Man65> zerocool: Why? 20:34 <@Code_Man65> AD does its job damn well, why re-invent the wheel? 20:34 < Heresiarch> zerocool: proxy to ad >>> independent LDAP. Though these days, it's relatively pointless to maintain a separate LDAP infrastructure. 20:35 < Heresiarch> the last real need for LDAP as a separate-but-replicated service died with sssd/realm. 20:35 < scwizard> "Your requested instance type (t1.micro) is not supported in your requested Availability Zone (us-east-1c)" wow suprising 20:35 < scwizard> it's supported in us-east-1d but not 1c 20:35 < Heresiarch> scwizard: ...aren't t1s deprecated at this point? 20:36 < scwizard> Heresiarch: yeah but they work in ec2 classic 20:36 < scwizard> (working on mirating don't worry) 20:36 < Heresiarch> scwizard: ಠ_ಠ 20:36 < zerocool> Code_Man65: planned domain migration in the future, i would like to have a more stable directory specifically for applications not directly related to ad 20:36 < scwizard> they're what the current crawler ASG is using 20:36 < scwizard> so I'm trying to copy it but add classic link 20:37 < scwizard> so it works with the database we're migrating from ec2-classic 20:37 < Heresiarch> scwizard: why not work on just migrating the ASG to VPC, then pull in the db? 20:37 < scwizard> these things take time >_> 20:37 <@Code_Man65> How in the nine hells do you get more stable than AD? To have AD actually go down requires a STUPID amount of shit to go wrong at the exact same time. 20:37 < scwizard> Heresiarch: the DB needs to be in the VPC so that fargate will work with it 20:37 < scwizard> we're gonna use fargate for the crawlers rather than an ASG 20:37 < zerocool> Code_Man65: stable as in stable variables in configurations outside of ad 20:38 < scwizard> i can't test fargate crawlers while the prod db is in ec2-classic 20:38 < Heresiarch> scwizard: ...careful of that bite you're taking. 20:38 < scwizard> Heresiarch: also basically you can classic link a ec2 instance but not an RDS instance 20:38 < scwizard> so yeah the DB needs to be moved first 20:38 < scwizard> it sucks but needs to be done 20:39 < Heresiarch> scwizard: not necessarily. I had a similar situation (but with ec2 instances). Moved the instances, had them go out through a natgw to the RDS. Took an outage window and snapped/restored the RDS in VPC. 20:40 < scwizard> oh yeah 20:40 < Heresiarch> (well, rebuilt the instances, but six-of-one...) 20:40 < scwizard> that's another way to do it 20:40 < scwizard> didn't think of that 20:40 < scwizard> whatever 20:40 < scwizard> i just wanna get the db migration over with 20:42 < scwizard> do natgws even work in ec2-classic that really didn't occur to me 20:42 < scwizard> wait they don't have to 20:42 < scwizard> yeah that def is another way to do it 20:42 < Heresiarch> :) 20:43 < scwizard> bleh 20:44 < scwizard> the classiclink launched auto scaling group instnace doesn't wanna talk to the new db 20:48 < Jekotia> Is Windows 10's "start fresh" any good? The fact that it didn't remove a program unzipped to C:\Folder leaves me skeptical 20:49 < scwizard> i'm curious about that too 20:55 < scwizard> ok here's what's going on. It can connect just fine, it's just the DNS resolution for the RDS endpoint is giving it the EXTERNAL ip 20:55 < scwizard> whereas if you launch a instance in the vpc, it gets the internal ip 20:55 < Heresiarch> working as intended? 20:55 < scwizard> but if you launch an instance in ec2-classic that's classliclinked to the vpc, the RDS endpoint gives the extnal ip 20:56 < scwizard> however for such an instance, i can't connect with the external ip, but CAN connect with the internal ip so... 20:56 < scwizard> wait maybe it's because of the AMI 21:00 < scwizard> yeah DHCP is giving me the wrong dns server basically :| 21:02 < Heresiarch> There was this dude at the last place I worked. He'd been working for the company for years, knew the product inside and out. Once, during a debate between ops and devs about a DB query, he described it thus: "that's like reaching around your elbow to try and wipe your ass." 21:05 < scwizard> considering the channel i'm in 21:05 < scwizard> i'm gonna guess he was siding with ops 21:06 < scwizard> "By default, if you use a public DNS hostname to address an instance in a VPC from a linked EC2-Classic instance, the hostname resolves to the instance's public IP address. The same occurs if you use a public DNS hostname to address a linked EC2-Classic instance from an instance in the VPC. If you want the public DNS hostname to resolve to the private IP address, you can enable ClassicLink DNS support for the VPC. " oooo 21:06 < Jekotia> scwizard: Looks like it actually kills the existing Windows install and puts in a new one (and then restores your settings, which is why you don't see the normal 'wizard'). So its effectiveness probably depends on what the user did with the system before that. 21:06 < Heresiarch> not specifically. He was siding against dev, in this case. This involved custom objects in a particular install of the app. He was unamused that the object(s) would end up creating that overly-complex a query. 21:06 < scwizard> i wouldn't trust it to unrootkit 21:07 < Jekotia> scwizard: Same 21:07 < Jekotia> Or deal with any form of malware 21:07 < alazare619> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snW-5AHxYTA 21:07 < scwizard> mainly because black hats could purposefully try and work around it 21:07 <+layer-eight> * alazare619 → YouTube → DX Theme Song → ⚘ 27,499,405 ↑ 83,843 ↓ 3,731 ✍ 9,640 21:07 < scwizard> there's no way to work around a fresh install, other than bios fuckery 21:08 < scwizard> wait a second 21:08 < scwizard> I do have classiclink dns support enabled 21:08 < scwizard> aaaaa 21:08 < abakedapplepie> rip 21:08 * Heresiarch gets popcorn and listens to scwizard 21:08 < scwizard> wait no i don't 21:08 < alazare619> #suckit 21:08 < scwizard> i tried to enable it in terraform 21:08 < scwizard> but in the console: ClassicLink DNS Support: no 21:09 < scwizard> icic it's enable_classiclink_dns_support not enable_dns_support 21:09 < scwizard> derp 21:09 < scwizard> my mom tells me i'm smart 21:11 < scwizard> ok note, changing this setting will make classiclinked instances unsshable? 21:12 < technonerd> So, if anything, we may decide to add GitHub as a login option to Microsoft. 21:12 < technonerd> github login coming to windows login 21:17 < McDonaldsWiFi> lol 21:17 < McDonaldsWiFi> IT business manager just requests admin login 21:17 < McDonaldsWiFi> fml 21:18 < scwizard> why not just give it? 21:18 < McDonaldsWiFi> i am 21:18 < McDonaldsWiFi> just a sad thing tbh 21:18 < scwizard> i give upper management all the credentials, if they ever feel they need to use them thats on me sorta 21:19 < scwizard> (pls don't spear phish me) 21:19 < McDonaldsWiFi> lol 21:19 < McDonaldsWiFi> a business manager doesn't need admin rights to the doamin 21:19 < McDonaldsWiFi> oh well 21:19 < syere> but he saw a program that said it can speed up the server! 21:19 < McDonaldsWiFi> not my call, just a sad thing lol 21:20 < technonerd> 3 ie toolbars later 21:20 < syere> better be careful, he might download some illegal RAM from the interwebs 21:20 < McDonaldsWiFi> lol 21:20 < McDonaldsWiFi> or, install a bunch of stupid shit like "PC Virus Nuke MAX" 21:21 < syere> so, except a cryptolocker in the next... 6 hours? 21:21 < syere> expect* 21:21 < asimon> Although superantimalware is actually a legit program 21:21 < asimon> just looks like a virus 21:21 < Hatter> remember cyrus the virus from con air 21:21 < McDonaldsWiFi> so 21:22 < McDonaldsWiFi> jsut so you guys know who im giving the key to the kingdom to lol 21:22 < McDonaldsWiFi> they sent me 2 requets 21:22 < McDonaldsWiFi> verbatim "my laptop is broken" 21:22 < McDonaldsWiFi> "I need admin access" 21:22 < McDonaldsWiFi> brb while I go drink 21:22 < rootsudo> well 21:22 < rootsudo> I peaced out, after lunch I took the rest of the day off 21:22 < rootsudo> don't wana go back tomorrow 21:22 < Heresiarch> McDonaldsWiFi: give him admin access on his local machine. How will he know the difference? 21:22 < syere> can you just change his name to admin and see what happens? 21:23 < rootsudo> I miss being 24. 21:23 < syere> shit I dont. 20's were horrible. Long work hours, still trying to claw your way to a reasonable level. The girls were fun though 21:23 < dragonfleas> Wtf is Windows 2008 HPC Server? 21:24 < AnimalFarmPig> dragonfleas: Windows 2k built for high performance computing clusters 21:24 < AnimalFarmPig> (supercomputers) 21:25 < McDonaldsWiFi> Heresiarch: you have to specify the .\ to swap back to local admin 21:25 < McDonaldsWiFi> oh well 21:26 < Heresiarch> McDonaldsWiFi: right. But you can specify him in the administrators group for his local PC. ;) 21:26 < McDonaldsWiFi> FUCK 21:26 < McDonaldsWiFi> why didn't i freaking think of that 21:26 < McDonaldsWiFi> freaking duh 21:26 < McDonaldsWiFi> oh well 21:26 < McDonaldsWiFi> she will want the creds eventually 21:26 < Heresiarch> Also, if you do give him domain admin, make sure that the AD recycle bin is around. 21:26 < McDonaldsWiFi> wait 21:26 < McDonaldsWiFi> no there's a hole 21:26 < Heresiarch> (her) 21:27 < McDonaldsWiFi> she wanted a separate login, not her first rodeo lol 21:27 < McDonaldsWiFi> yeah her haha 21:27 < McDonaldsWiFi> good idea on the bin, lemme double check I have that on 21:27 < Heresiarch> oh. Well, if she's smart enough to ask for a separate DA login, is it really a concern? 21:28 < McDonaldsWiFi> i mean kinda 21:28 < McDonaldsWiFi> xD 21:28 < McDonaldsWiFi> maybe im being a douche, idk 21:29 < Heresiarch> can someone recommend any gothic/horror rock/metal that doesn't involve screaming? I'm in a Type O Negative mood, but don't wanna listen to them right now. 21:29 < McDonaldsWiFi> she has no IT background... but maybe she won't poke too much 21:29 < vinrock> listen to some dopethrone 21:29 < vinrock> it's soothing to the ears 21:29 < JollyRgrs> slim pickens, yeah, well does the right thing... 21:30 < ebol4> slim chickens 21:30 < vinrock> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYfJuW282_I 21:30 <+layer-eight> * vinrock → YouTube → DOPETHRONE "Killdozer" - Official Video → ⚘ 115,764 ↑ 3,139 ↓ 118 ✍ 440 21:32 < felda> vincock is confirmed head mod of /r/latestagecapitalism 21:32 < McDonaldsWiFi> huehuehuehe 21:32 < Heresiarch> ...huh. I didn't know Psychostick had decided to ape Ministry. 21:32 < McDonaldsWiFi> never thought i'd see that subreddit linked hre... ever 21:32 < Heresiarch> Also, this video has way too much naked man ass. 21:33 < JollyRgrs> Heresiarch: more than "ooh, you touch my tra-la-la"? 21:33 < felda> McDonaldsWiFi if you aren't subscribed to ChapoTrapHouse are you even trying? 21:33 < ebol4> Heresiarch: you might like die krupps: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4lFA-xK0gM 21:34 <+layer-eight> * ebol4 → YouTube → Die Krupps - II - The Final Option [industrial metal] (Full album, HD, HQ) → ⚘ 11,873 ↑ 105 ↓ 4 ✍ 7 21:34 < Heresiarch> JollyRgrs: dunno. But this song is kind of like psychostick went on a meth bender, then tried to cover ministry. 21:34 < felda> this is on its way to black metal essentially 21:35 < felda> you could get some Humanity's Last Breath 21:35 < felda> some nice electro/black with Tyrant of Death 21:35 < ebol4> man i haven't listened to tyrant of death in a long time 21:35 < McDonaldsWiFi> i feel the affects of satan on this chan 21:35 < McDonaldsWiFi> BEGONE SATAN 21:35 < Heresiarch> ebol4: this die krupps is nice, but a little more industrial than I'm looking for. 21:36 < felda> I actually bought their discography on bandcamp when it was on sale 21:36 < khelpw> Everyone knows the only Industrial metal album is Obsolete by fear factory 21:36 < ebol4> soul of a new machine is 1000x better 21:37 < Heresiarch> I guess there's just no substitute for Peter Steele. 21:37 < agent_white> Afternoon folks 21:37 < ebol4> no 21:37 < khelpw> SoaNM has better individual songs, but Obsolete is a better album imo 21:38 < ebol4> i guess that's agreeable 21:38 < khelpw> Also Obsolete was a better concept album imo 21:38 < khelpw> and that's what always made Fear Factory interesting in those days. 21:39 < arlion> Just accepted offer letter for a promotion to Senior Linux Systems Engineer. 21:39 < khelpw> Same with Mastodon and crack the skye 21:39 < khelpw> congrats arlion 21:39 < agent_white> arlion: Congrats :) 21:39 < ebol4> i could never get into mastodon 21:39 < Heresiarch> arlion: grats! 21:39 < ebol4> did they give you a raise arlion 21:39 < khelpw> ebol4: listen to crack the skye start to finish 21:39 < hello_kitty> in nginx is there a way to write that location = /1 should be proxy passed to http://127.0.0.1:8001, and then continue that so that /100 gets passed to 8100 ? 21:40 < khelpw> do a bit of reading to see what they're on about. it's a crazy, semi-incomprehensible story lol 21:40 < arlion> ebol4: yep! 21:40 < ebol4> hella 21:40 < arlion> +15k 21:40 < ebol4> hello_kitty: i don't think there is a way to do this JUST in nginx configs, you could host a PHP file in nginx that does this logic though 21:41 < Heresiarch> hello_kitty: not directly. But you can template an nginx config in a CM and set up a loop to have the /1 location match to the associated proxy_pass directive. 21:41 < felda> ebol4 > not listening to the Black Metal Spotify playlist over the loud speakers while at work 21:41 < ebol4> i have my grindcore radio going instead today 21:42 < hello_kitty> Heresiarch: CM ? 21:42 < Heresiarch> hello_kitty: config management tool. ansible/salt/puppet/chef. 21:43 < hello_kitty> oh okay, thanks 21:43 < rootsudo> I don't think I'm for this sysadmin shit 21:43 < rootsudo> I'm going to do a 180 21:44 < rootsudo> focus on Python/R and data analysis. I'm out. 21:44 < Heresiarch> rootsudo: sales? 21:44 < asimon> rootsudo: Porque no las dos? 21:44 < rootsudo> looking back I don't know why this was cool when I was a teen 😔 21:44 < alazare619> so did this meal prep thing this week 21:44 < ebol4> a pirate's favorite programming language 21:45 < felda> "Hey felda that music inst really that good for productivity. Can you trying something a little more work friendly music?" 21:45 * felda switch to Djent playlist 21:45 < alazare619> used my ingredient reuse matrix i made and was able to save almost 150 bucks off groceries and had very good and healthy meals 21:45 < asimon> `yt friday 21:45 < JollyRgrs> Winkey, powershell -c "hostname|clip"... b/c i'm so stankin lazy 21:45 < abakedapplepie> a what 21:46 < br14> "br14, the printer in xyz is smoking". Indeed the room smelt of burnt pastic, they somehow didn't remove the orange tabs before shoving a new toner cartridge in, the printer destroyed itself. smh. 21:46 < grumplestiltzkin> alazare619: 'ingredient reuse matrix' ? asplane ? 21:46 < abakedapplepie> br14: holy fuck 21:46 < alazare619> its basically a table 21:46 < scwizard> wait 21:46 < abakedapplepie> how did they do that 21:46 < scwizard> is there really no way to disable forign keys checks on a mysql rds instance? 21:46 < alazare619> you pick 2 ingredients you have and you slide to where your fingers meet 21:46 < technonerd> fedex site is down again 21:46 < technonerd> sigh 21:46 < abakedapplepie> yeah 21:46 < scwizard> SET GLOBAL FOREIGN_KEY_CHECKS=0; <- gives access denied at least 21:46 < alazare619> right now i just did it on pen and paper 21:46 < abakedapplepie> fuckin fedex 21:46 < scwizard> *of course 21:46 < technonerd> metoo 21:46 < alazare619> might move to google spreadsheets and share it 21:46 < scwizard> and like there's no paramater in the paramater group for it 21:47 < grumplestiltzkin> alazare619: Oh, like a lowest common denominator to figure out how many servings to make? 21:47 < Heresiarch> scwizard: are you using the master account? 21:47 < br14> no fucking clue, it was a workgroup printer. not cheap. Guess I need to setup toner installing training. 21:47 < technonerd> im going to fill for disability 21:47 < alazare619> so i have left over baked chicken and mashed potato's 21:47 < technonerd> all thsoe paper copies 21:47 < scwizard> Heresiarch: yeah the master account can't do set global though, you're supposed to do it via the paramters group 21:47 < scwizard> but there's no param for disabling forign key checks 21:47 < scwizard> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/42783060/parameter-group-for-set-global-foreign-key-checks-in-rds 21:47 <+layer-eight> * scwizard → amazon web services - Parameter group for SET GLOBAL foreign_key_checks in RDS - Stack Overflow 21:47 < scwizard> this is infurating 21:47 < alazare619> bad example for those two lol 21:48 < scwizard> "why would you ever wanna do that herpa derpa" 21:48 < Heresiarch> scwizard: in fairness, that's not a bad question. 21:48 < alazare619> say i have baked chicken and diced potatos and around 6 eggs in my fridge 21:48 < alazare619> or left over omelette 21:48 < scwizard> " 21:48 < alazare619> based on what i'm seeing with those ingredients i could do breakfast burritos 21:48 < scwizard> "why would you ever wanna do that" is never helpful imo 21:49 < Heresiarch> scwizard: "why would you ever wanna do that on a non-session basis" 21:49 < scwizard> well like 21:49 < alazare619> or chicken taquitos 21:49 < scwizard> after doing: SET FOREIGN_KEY_CHECKS=0; 21:49 < scwizard> the replication still gives a forign key constraint error 21:49 < alazare619> or with pasta could do chicken pramesean 21:49 < alazare619> so those left overs with 1 dollar became a whole nother meal 21:49 < JFDkthx> ravioli: is it friday 21:50 < Heresiarch> scwizard: delete the replica while you're doing your dirty bidness? 21:50 < alazare619> pasta is cheap, tortillas are cheap 21:50 < alazare619> but i used the chart to make a meal plan for a week 21:50 < alazare619> every other day is left over from the prior 21:50 < scwizard> Heresiarch: i'm trying to use the replica to migrate, set replica, stop master, promote replica to master ya know 21:50 < scwizard> deleting the replica doesn't make sense in this context 21:51 < alazare619> so monday is cook it all, eat a meal, tuesday is ingredients from what were cooked but a full meal wendseday is leftovers from monday rolled into a new meal but all cooking was done on monday its just warm it up 21:51 < Heresiarch> scwizard: neither does disabling FKs. 21:51 < scwizard> how else am I supposed to replicate the data then without it breakin g:( 21:51 < Heresiarch> trying to migrate from a classic to vpc'd rds? 21:52 < scwizard> yeah 21:52 < scwizard> i can't do: SET GLOBAL SQL_SLAVE_SKIP_COUNTER = 1; 21:52 < scwizard> either because i'll get access denied 21:52 < Heresiarch> take an outage window. Mine was about 90 mins, but I was also doing a DB version upgrade. 21:52 < scwizard> my boss doesn't want an outage window that long 21:53 < Heresiarch> you can probably get it down to 45-60. 21:53 < scwizard> why should it be that long 21:53 < scwizard> why can't we just replicate and flip 21:53 < Heresiarch> because going from classic to vpc on an rds instance is a pain in the ass. 21:53 < catbeard> scwizard: when you run SHOW SLAVE STATUS\G on the slave 21:53 < catbeard> what is Last_SQL_Errno 21:54 < scwizard> it's not running because it got a foreign key error 21:54 < scwizard> i figured something out though 21:54 < scwizard> "With the new versions of MySQL (5.1.62 and 5.5.23) Amazon RDS is making available a procedure to skip current replication error. The procedure is called mysql.rds_skip_repl_error and is documented here: http://docs.amazonwebservices.com/AmazonRDS/latest/UserGuide/Appendix.MySQL.CommonDBATasks.html" 21:54 <+layer-eight> * scwizard → ⚓ https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AmazonRDS/latest/UserGuide/Appendix.MySQL.CommonDBATasks.html → Common DBA Tasks for MySQL DB Instances - Amazon Relational Database Service 21:55 < catbeard> was gonna say my.cnf slave-skip-errors=ERRNO 21:55 < alazare619> grumplestiltzkin: check pm 21:58 < Heresiarch> is skipping a repl error on FK constraint a good idea? 21:58 < scwizard> what are my alternatives :| 22:00 < Heresiarch> scwizard: I've shown you alternatives. Can't help it if you're hell-bound and determined to go this way. 22:00 < scwizard> Heresiarch: all your alternatives involved 1-2 hours downtime 22:01 < Heresiarch> scwizard: yes, they do. And pre-planned maintenance isn't a naughty phrase. 22:02 < Heresiarch> scwizard: potential data loss and minimal downtime vs smooth migration with an hour or less of downtime. 22:03 < scwizard> yeah i'm discussing this with my boss rn 22:03 < scwizard> he says "I don't love downtime" well duh man 22:06 < Heresiarch> scwizard: if you can squeeze some time out of him, get to 5.6 as well. Better perf, replication isn't single-threaded anymore, and no major changes in SQL from 5.5. 22:06 < catbeard> meh, MariaDB 10.2 is tits for replication 22:06 < catbeard> esp w/ GTID 22:07 < catbeard> and mariabackup *squirt* 22:07 < almostdvs> tits is good right? 22:07 < catbeard> who doesn't like tits 22:07 < almostdvs> if you said 'the tits' there would be no question 22:07 < catbeard> i mean tits in general have a pretty positive connotation 22:08 < catbeard> but i see your point 22:08 < catbeard> guess it depends on whose tits 22:08 < almostdvs> fuckin tits generally bad 22:08 < almostdvs> but occasionally... 22:09 < corn266> anyone know where the serial number is located on a toshiba 1TB .m2 SSD? 22:09 < catbeard> corn266: check the manual? 22:09 < corn266> looking for it 22:09 < catbeard> or hdparm maybe 22:10 < catbeard> i forget the flags 22:11 < catbeard> corn266: may also help https://askubuntu.com/a/781003 22:11 <+layer-eight> * catbeard → ⚓ https://askubuntu.com/questions/780715/how-to-check-serial-number-of-nvme-disk/781003#781003 → server - How to check serial number of NVMe disk? - Ask Ubuntu 22:11 < catbeard> nvme id-ctrl 22:13 <+giant_it_burrit> let it snow? 22:13 <+giant_it_burrit> bonjour madame i would like to see le tits not 22:13 <+giant_it_burrit> *now 22:14 * corn266 facepalms 22:14 < corn266> it's probably the thing next to S/N 22:15 < int0x1C8> gwmi -Class win32_diskdrive | select SerialNumber 22:16 < corn266> There are 3 disks and idk which correspond to which 22:16 <+giant_it_burrit> is this windows? 22:16 < catbeard> corn266: HEH 22:17 < catbeard> lsblk ? 22:17 < scwizard> Heresiarch: we're on 5.7 already :| 22:17 < scwizard> lol 22:17 < scwizard> and my boss is super not happy about having downtime 22:18 < int0x1C8> gwmi -Class win32_diskdrive | foreach { select DeviceID, Caption, Model, SerialNumber } 22:18 < Heresiarch> scwizard: ...so it goes, then. Good luck! 22:18 < Heresiarch> o/ 22:19 < int0x1C8> er, drop the foreach 22:19 < int0x1C8> gwmi -Class win32_diskdrive | select DeviceID, Caption, Model, SerialNumber 22:21 < scwizard> well 22:21 < scwizard> actually 22:21 < scwizard> you can just go into the instance settinsg and change the subnet group 22:21 < scwizard> and it moves it into a vpc 22:21 < scwizard> O_o 22:22 < scwizard> i really thought that wasn't supported 22:24 < int0x1C8> corn266, then gwmi -class win32_diskdrivetodiskpartition 22:24 < int0x1C8> or one of the other classes 22:24 < int0x1C8> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa392727(v=vs.85).aspx 22:24 <+layer-eight> * int0x1C8 → Operating System Classes (Windows) 22:25 < int0x1C8> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa394084%28v=vs.85%29.aspx 22:25 <+layer-eight> * int0x1C8 → Win32 Classes (Windows) 22:25 < int0x1C8> I _constantly_ reference this 22:25 < alazare619> everyone remember 22:25 < alazare619> snitches get stiches 22:26 < trash1e> and snoops get the poops 22:26 < corn266> oh shit, looks like internal component integrity testing just got a lot easier 22:29 < joelazot> Mornin' 22:31 < MillerBoss> Hey girls if WSUS says there are 10 "needed count" for say a laptop that needs to leave the network and the laptop states its up to date when running check for updates, how do you go about getting those 10 updates to the machine? 22:31 <+giant_it_burrit> checkonline? 22:31 < JollyRgrs> MillerBoss: what version OS? 22:31 < int0x1C8> do nothing, leave it alone, then forget about it 22:32 < MillerBoss> 1709 22:32 < MillerBoss> Check online pulls up 10803 for example and I declined that in WSUS 22:32 < MillerBoss> 1803* 22:33 < JollyRgrs> MillerBoss: win10, should only ever have 2 updates unless you are pushing drivers 22:33 < JollyRgrs> it needs the most current cumulative update 22:33 < MillerBoss> Office 22:33 < JollyRgrs> and that month's adobe 22:33 < JollyRgrs> oh 22:33 < JollyRgrs> non-o265? 22:33 < JollyRgrs> 365 even 22:33 < MillerBoss> I mean the 10 includes office. Nope 22:33 < MillerBoss> the 10 updates 22:34 < JollyRgrs> your short answers are confusing me in their vague-iguity 22:34 < MillerBoss> I guess I am learning the machine and WSUS do not update fast in terms of the actual state of everything at any given time. 22:34 < MillerBoss> I am sorry 22:34 < MillerBoss> I mean the 10 updates includes office updates and no O365 22:34 < JollyRgrs> SCCM is a slow boat... i'm sure WSUS isn't a ciggarette boat either 22:35 < MillerBoss> OK fair enough. At least that confirms what I am seeing 22:35 < JollyRgrs> usually the computer would have to do it's next "check for updates" to re-sync... i think? 22:35 < joelazot> I think i'll install CentOS on my 2nd PC and set that up as a KVM host after school lol 22:35 < JollyRgrs> maybe? 22:35 < JollyRgrs> i dunno enough about WSUS directly, just via SCCM 22:35 < dragonfleas> Don't come into my office and ask me for help about excel 22:35 < dragonfleas> if excel is not working it's my problem, not if you don't know how to use excel 22:35 < dragonfleas> I fucking hate that 22:36 < JollyRgrs> dragonfleas: can you help me? this pivot table created by this excel 98 macro just isn't working right 22:36 <+giant_it_burrit> yes i can 22:36 < dragonfleas> "hey i can't get this organization complex algorithm fixed" 22:36 * giant_it_burrit deletes file 22:36 <+giant_it_burrit> that sucks 22:36 <+giant_it_burrit> better get a new yob 22:36 < corn266> hey int0x1C8 the first command you gave me output SerialNumbers that didn't match what were on the HW 22:36 < dragonfleas> yeah if anyone asks me for excel help i just say I don't have the experience to help 22:36 < Church-> Heya giant_it_burrit 22:36 < MillerBoss> JollyRgrs: Does SCCM use WSUS in the back end or some thing that is more or less built into SCCM that is like WSUS? 22:36 <+giant_it_burrit> hola chruch 22:36 < corn266> dragonfleas how do I chart in excel 22:36 <+giant_it_burrit> and church 22:36 < dragonfleas> leave me alone corn266 22:37 <+giant_it_burrit> yes miler 22:37 < Church-> Heh 22:37 < JollyRgrs> MillerBoss: yes, SCCM manages/uses WSUS 22:37 < MillerBoss> OK thanks giant_it_burrit 22:37 < MillerBoss> OK thanks JollyRgrs 22:37 < joelazot> mk lads 22:37 < joelazot> school time 22:37 < JollyRgrs> you basically don't touch WSUS... you only manage it through SCCM 22:37 < joelazot> cya in a bit 22:37 < JollyRgrs> unless fixing some really broke stuff :P but then be careful 22:37 < MillerBoss> OK makes sense. 22:37 < Sousapro> I just got to wipe someone's iPhone and iPad 22:37 < JollyRgrs> joelazot: we're not your lads, probably your dads 22:37 < alazare619> i thought 1803 was going to have dual pane windows explorer by default 22:37 < Sousapro> I wonder if she realized if that was possible 22:38 < JollyRgrs> alazare619: nah, i think it's maybe the next one? also i want tabbed explorer/notepad and darkmode for explorer 22:38 < JollyRgrs> Sousapro: she will now? 22:38 < alazare619> damnit i want it now 22:38 * alazare619 stomps foot 22:39 < corn266> alazare619: linux doesn't have it by default yet so windows won't have it at all 22:39 < alazare619> thunar, nautilus dolphin kommander all have dual pane 22:39 < alazare619> wtf file manager are you using corn266 22:40 < corn266> whatever is in ubuntu 1804 22:40 < alazare619> theres your problem 22:40 < alazare619> you are using gnome 3 22:40 < alazare619> with the unity bullsheet 22:40 < alazare619> real men use fedora 22:41 <@killdash9> ^^^ 22:41 <@killdash9> and wear them 22:41 < McDonaldsWiFi> gatekeeping 22:41 < McDonaldsWiFi> real men use freedos 22:41 <@killdash9> and eat them 22:41 < McDonaldsWiFi> uhhhh 22:41 < alazare619> ^ 22:41 <@killdash9> no, wait, that's Fritos 22:41 < McDonaldsWiFi> lmfao 22:41 < McDonaldsWiFi> lame joke of the day goes to..... 22:41 < alazare619> english is hard 22:41 < alazare619> McDonaldsWiFi: the oldest person in this channel 22:41 < corn266> go make some frito chilli pie killdash9 22:41 < alazare619> by a long shot 22:42 <@killdash9> you'll never see freedos as anything other than fritos from now on 22:42 < McDonaldsWiFi> alazare619: fuckin rekt 22:42 < McDonaldsWiFi> you're right 22:42 < McDonaldsWiFi> okay lets try another one 22:42 < McDonaldsWiFi> centos 22:42 < MillerBoss> What do usually set for the deadline, JollyRgrs? 22:42 < McDonaldsWiFi> GOT YOU GOOD 22:42 <@killdash9> the freshmaker? That's how it's said 22:42 < MillerBoss> Assuming SCCM has the same feature as WSUS 22:42 < JFDkthx> holy shit im gonna fucking lose it. the server i've spent all week building configuring and troubleshooting was just fucking wiped away by my coworker. 22:43 < JollyRgrs> MillerBoss: what do you mean? what date? 22:43 < JFDkthx> and now hes gone for the day 22:43 < JollyRgrs> JFDkthx: and he's at home going "GOT 'M!" 22:44 < JFDkthx> JollyRgrs: he dumped this bullshit project on me last minute, they had a deadline of `date` and now im gonna be here late trying to fucking do this shit over. 22:44 < JFDkthx> because he didnt like the way the disk config was set up 22:44 < McDonaldsWiFi> so he nuked it 22:44 < McDonaldsWiFi> and you have to rebuild it? 22:44 < McDonaldsWiFi> lol. 22:45 <@killdash9> JollyRgrs: my day's worse. 22:45 < JFDkthx> McDonaldsWiFi: cleared config on raid controller. and the fucking shit is so old that it doesnt have a way to read the ld config from the drive. 22:45 < JFDkthx> not too mention he says, oh just use our kickstart thats broken and that you'll have to fix 22:46 < McDonaldsWiFi> lol... 22:46 < JFDkthx> mofukka if i coulda kickstarted it i would have done it the first time. 22:48 < Church-> killdash9: Oh? 22:49 <@killdash9> new director decided to throw out the sytem management tools we've spent 2 years deploying so he can create a pet project to call his own. 22:50 < McDonaldsWiFi> no way to salvage the tools? 22:50 <@killdash9> we asked for a bake-off but then a buddy heard him saying that the results didn't matter. We'd move to his system 22:50 < McDonaldsWiFi> go over his head....? 22:50 < McDonaldsWiFi> lol 22:50 < McDonaldsWiFi> wow 22:50 <@killdash9> he's best friends irl with the VP over his head 22:51 < McDonaldsWiFi> lol 22:51 < McDonaldsWiFi> gotta love nepotism 22:51 < McDonaldsWiFi> its the way the world works... 22:51 <@killdash9> so we'll spend a year re-tooling to use something with less features so he can get a big bonus for a whole new thingy 22:51 < McDonaldsWiFi> oh well 22:52 < McDonaldsWiFi> another fun project.. lol 22:52 <+CheckYourSix> killdash9: Sounds like it's time to bail out... 22:52 < McDonaldsWiFi> what about licesning and stuff? 22:52 < McDonaldsWiFi> wasting the licenses? 22:55 <@killdash9> moving from an opensource to a pay-to-play system. It's pants-on-head retarded 22:55 <+coderphive> Well 22:55 <+coderphive> I think I've made my first semi-sensible go app 22:55 <+coderphive> other than API's 22:55 <@killdash9> CheckYourSix: as for bailing. It's being looked at 22:56 <+coderphive> killdash9, you should quit and come work for me 22:56 <+coderphive> kthx 22:56 <+coderphive> jk idk u 22:57 <+coderphive> I do need someone who wants to play with embedded linux all day tho 22:57 <+coderphive> I'm going to be shopping for one of those while I'm in Austin 22:59 < alazare619> killdash9: well theres a reason why the company you work for has one of the worst names in their particular industry 22:59 < alazare619> no offsense 23:00 < catbeard> No pfsense?!? 23:00 < catbeard> What? 23:00 < JFDkthx> and security shredded my install media 23:00 < JFDkthx> mother fucker 23:00 < JFDkthx> im leaving 23:00 < McDonaldsWiFi> i forgot you work for nazi germany 23:00 < McDonaldsWiFi> lol 23:00 < alazare619> killdash9: i mean...anyone that kills off CNC deserves to fucking die 23:00 < felda> WHO DOTH SAY PEPHZENG? 23:01 < JFDkthx> McDonaldsWiFi: im probably just gonna virtualize this guys shit so it isnt running on hardware from the 00s 23:01 < JFDkthx> as soon as i make sure that there isnt a requirement to use said hardware 23:01 < AnimalFarmPig> coderphive: sounds fun. What did you make? 23:02 < Runath> hey i just switched over to a new motherboard w/o realizing it has no raid controller built in, is there a software way of accessing my raid or 23:03 < JFDkthx> Runath: nope. 23:03 < Runath> kk gonna pull drives to old system, thanks 23:03 < JFDkthx> np 23:03 <+coderphive> AnimalFarmPig, https://github.com/mattouille/switchr 23:03 <+layer-eight> * coderphive → GitHub → mattouille → switchr → Switchr is a command line application for publicly shared pairing stations. → @ ~ 3 hours ago → Go → ☹ 1 23:04 < AnimalFarmPig> coderphive: neat, looks useful 23:05 <@Code_Man65> I've spent all day troubleshooting o365 ModernAuth and haven't got far at all 23:07 < Casteil> awwww yeah 23:07 < Casteil> love this below-grade level of my house 23:07 < Casteil> not quite the basement, but about halfway underground... currently 84f out, it's 64f in here and I haven't used AC today 23:08 < Runath> I've been at my MSP for almost 2 years and I've been sending out my resume to a bunch of places for L1 and L2 helpdesk but no one's called me back :( 23:08 < Runath> only got an interview from a security cam company as a field tech 23:09 <+coderphive> AnimalFarmPig, thanks! 23:10 < Runath> hopefully i get hired there as i neeeed the money, but i feel like i'm really shooting myself in the foot when it comes to my future by taking it 23:11 < syere> Runath: have you worked with any recruiters? have you taken a step back and critically looked at your resume to see what keywords might be throwing off searches? 23:12 < abakedapplepie> Runath: there are guys on r/sysadmin that will critique your resume for you 23:12 < abakedapplepie> recruiters 23:12 < syere> I think there is even a whole subreddit dedicated to resume building / writing 23:12 < Runath> I'll take a look at that 23:12 < abakedapplepie> there is 23:13 < syere> But a good recruiter should do that for you 23:13 < abakedapplepie> but the guys im thinking of are specifically sysadmin recruiters 23:13 <+coderphive> wat 23:13 <+coderphive> Don't trust recruiters with your resume 23:13 < syere> coderphive: if you are not getting any results back, it can't hurt 23:13 <@killdash9> do look for a godd pro resume writer. They can make a hell of a difference 23:13 <+coderphive> If anything I always _review_ the version of my resume a recruiter sends out 23:14 < abakedapplepie> coderphive if they are working for you then i agree, they will fuck your shit to benefit them 23:14 < syere> oh absolutely 23:14 <@Code_Man65> Yes, a professionally written resume can work wonders 23:14 < abakedapplepie> but if its someone looking at your resume to give tips, thats fine 23:14 < syere> you always review what they send out before the send it 23:14 <+coderphive> I do ask for feedback from recruiters on my resume though 23:14 < Runath> one of my clients at my msp is a recruiter lol 23:14 <+coderphive> Some of them give pretty good feedback 23:14 < syere> but as I said, Runath isn't getting any call backs. it's not like he has to give up his original to try out a recruiters way 23:14 < Runath> wonder if i should ask her for help 23:14 <+coderphive> They'll tell you what the market is looking for etc 23:15 <+coderphive> don't lie, but highlight what you know/have if the market is hot on it 23:15 <@killdash9> same with resume writers. They know what helps get past HR's robot resume digesters 23:15 < syere> and never forget, home labs DO count in l1 l2 positions 23:15 <+coderphive> ^ 23:15 <+coderphive> tbh, my resume isn't that pretty but it shows up in all the searches I want it to 23:15 < syere> exactly 23:15 <+coderphive> It's rather black & white/plaintext 23:16 <@killdash9> um, that's what it should be. Unless you're a fucking model 23:16 <+coderphive> haha 23:16 < syere> marketing and sales people do some weird stuff with their resumes 23:16 <+coderphive> For instance, I'm polyglot and a systems engineer, that's most of what my resume emphasizes 23:16 < Runath> I wonder if me working part time at retail has to do anything with me getting filtered out 23:16 < scurry> I've had good luck with a pretty resume. I downloaded a Latex one and just edited it. Worked well because it's simple for me to edit, and difficult for recruiters to screw with since it's not Word. 23:16 < abakedapplepie> hah 23:17 < scurry> Downside is that I gave up on getting it to compile at this point, because I don't write enough Latex to actually maintain it. Worked for about 5 years though 23:17 < syere> Runath: unlikely for intro. 23:17 <+coderphive> mmm it might be 23:17 <+coderphive> tbh 23:17 <+coderphive> How old are you Runath? 23:17 < abakedapplepie> scurry thats when they just copy/paste it into a word doc 23:17 < Runath> i just turned 21 23:17 < syere> ooh good question 23:17 < abakedapplepie> then edit 23:17 <+coderphive> oh 23:17 < syere> thats why 23:17 <+coderphive> yeah no 23:17 < Runath> both jobs acquired in 2016 23:17 <+coderphive> Do you have an online presence? 23:17 < Runath> i don't think so no 23:17 < syere> your facebook or other social media isn't public correct? 23:18 < JollyRgrs> Runath: actually, some retail exp can be beneficial 23:18 < Runath> hmmm 23:18 <+coderphive> tbh, that's a negative 23:18 < Runath> maybe thats why 23:18 < JollyRgrs> no need to remove it 23:18 <+coderphive> Make a blog 23:18 < scurry> They're welcome to copy paste, but it's a PDF, so it's just a word doc with my exact resume in it. Only had one recruiter manage to convert it into Word, and I still have no idea how. Worked well, though 23:18 <@killdash9> when I managed an ISP support center I hired kids as young as 16 to man the phones. Age ain't everything 23:18 < Runath> I'll delete my twitter 23:18 <+coderphive> wat 23:18 <+coderphive> no 23:18 <+coderphive> stop 23:18 <+coderphive> Look, online presence is good 23:18 < abakedapplepie> working in retail successfully, especially as a t1, shows you can interact with customers professionally 23:18 < syere> the RIGHT online presence is good 23:18 <+coderphive> If you're a fucking tool - yeah, it's bad 23:18 <+coderphive> but have a blog, twitter, etc 23:18 < Runath> i mean i only have 3 tweets haha 23:18 < abakedapplepie> my online presence is mugshots.com 23:18 < syere> I'm not saying he would, but if Runath pulled a roseanne he wouldnt get calls back 23:18 < Runath> yeah that's what I figured 23:18 <+coderphive> If you go to conferences or workshops then advertise that 23:19 <+coderphive> If you're learning something new, talk about it 23:19 < Casteil> https://i.imgur.com/d9sDslf.png < Guy at the office put this in the bathroom today.. caught me WAY off guard 23:19 <+layer-eight> * Casteil → IMAGE/PNG Document, 135,195 bytes 23:19 < Runath> thats good advice coderphive 23:19 < syere> Runath: do you have something akin to a miscellaneous skills section on your resume? that's where you list out keywords. either work or home lab, stuff you are playing with or learning 23:19 < Runath> i usually don't talk about stuff unless i know it and im confident with it 23:20 < Runath> i don't, i'll include that right now syere 23:20 <+coderphive> Runath, check it: https://twitter.com/codencombovers 23:20 <+layer-eight> * coderphive → Matt Ouille (@codencombovers) | Twitter 23:20 < Runath> I do some homelab stuff so i wouldn't be lyin 23:20 <+coderphive> Like, my twitter has a bunch of random shit 23:20 <+coderphive> but it makes me look like a normal person 23:20 < scurry> Do you have a GitHub? I've gotten some hits off my GitHub, if you write any amount of code 23:20 < syere> Runath: always make sure you tell them, when asked, where you used or learned those skills. i have absolutely hired people off of their home lab as they didn't have much experience 23:20 < alazare619> heres my vlog site 23:20 < alazare619> stevejessup.com 23:20 <+coderphive> Runath, https://mattouille.com 23:20 <+layer-eight> * coderphive → MattOuille.com 23:20 < Runath> yeah you're right, also has lots of tech-related stuff showing you're interested in the field 23:21 <+coderphive> It's all about networking 23:21 < alazare619> most importantly make sure you know your rights 23:21 < syere> Runath: don't hold back on talking about tech. showing enthusiasm towards learning new things is absolutely a good thing. 23:22 <+coderphive> I'm not saying I'm some idol or something but when I want a new job I don't have a hard time having one approach me 23:23 < syere> coderphive: but you have to admit, some of that comes with age and working the field 23:23 < Runath> honestly I've just been applying at jobs on indeed 23:23 < abakedapplepie> thats easy when you have a career 23:23 <+coderphive> syere, I'm only 29 23:23 < abakedapplepie> :P 23:23 < Runath> have you guys had luck on any other sites? 23:23 <+coderphive> I'm not _that_ old 23:23 < abakedapplepie> ive been working at the same MSP for 6 years and i need to GTFO 23:23 < syere> coderphive: im 34 23:23 < Runath> craigslist always feels like a scam 23:23 <@killdash9> also, make contacts in the industry. And keep up with them. It might not pay off now, but that person you helped with a minor problem 10 years ago could be your key to getting into a new company 23:23 <+coderphive> ^ 23:23 < syere> Runath: use monster to get ahold of recruiters 23:23 <+coderphive> Conferences 23:23 < abakedapplepie> i promised myself id rewrite my resume this weekend 23:23 <+coderphive> srsly 23:23 <+coderphive> Spend the money 23:24 <+coderphive> I'm going to a conference in Austin tonight 23:24 < abakedapplepie> send me austin beer 23:24 < abakedapplepie> i want to visit austin 23:24 <+coderphive> Austin beer is hobo piss water 23:24 < F34RInc> shiner black label 23:24 < abakedapplepie> jester king! 23:24 < abakedapplepie> is not piss water 23:24 <@killdash9> more than one job I've not even had a real interview for. I was hired solely on word of mouth and reputation. My rep, can you believe that? 23:24 <+coderphive> ^ 23:24 < abakedapplepie> its texas hill country watrer 23:25 <@killdash9> stay away from Austin this weekend. It's ROT rally time. 23:25 < syere> Rep goes a long way. I just moved half way across the country, so I have to rebuild that here now 23:25 <@killdash9> I wonder what the over/under is on deaths this year 23:25 < abakedapplepie> ROT? 23:25 <+coderphive> Also, if you think about people that hire you for your characteristics that come out in networking or on social media, they're probably going to get along with you at work 23:25 <@killdash9> giant Harley biker douche rally. Like biggest outside Sturgis 23:25 < Runath> Hmm, my boss takes me to Vendor events and some other conferences like Asus and Synology event 23:25 <+coderphive> killdash9, you gonna take me to bbq? 23:26 < abakedapplepie> oh 23:26 < abakedapplepie> sounds gross 23:26 <@killdash9> I don't go out of the house during festivals like ROT, SXSW, and ACL. 23:26 < Runath> not sure what the right conferences to go to are 23:26 <+coderphive> killdash9, >:| 23:26 < syere> any conference with tech is the right conference 23:26 <@killdash9> whatever interests you 23:26 <+coderphive> It's Texas Linux Fest 23:26 < abakedapplepie> how did sturgis even become a thing 23:26 < abakedapplepie> who fucking goes to south dakota 23:27 <@killdash9> really? Linux Fest is this week? Huh, totally missed it 23:27 < syere> i have linux fest every day at home 23:27 <@killdash9> I was asked a few times to do presentations. Never did it 23:27 < AnimalFarmPig> I've been trying to get employer to send me to Percona Live for the last couple of years and they never want to pay for it. I've wanted to go to PyCon, but the timing never really worked out. Going to my first conference next week-- Cisco Live. Kind of 'meh', tbh, but I'll do a CCNA Cloud cert while I'm there. 23:28 <+NinjaStyle> go to defcon 23:28 <+coderphive> killdash9, come with me bb 23:29 <+NinjaStyle> its fun and cheap and full of debauchery 23:29 < AnimalFarmPig> not really interested in defcon 23:29 <@killdash9> NinjaStyle: every single person that sits adjacent to me in the office is going. I'm staying here. Again 23:29 <+NinjaStyle> killdash9: rude 23:29 <@killdash9> pro tip: never be indispensable. 23:29 <+NinjaStyle> be a team player 23:29 < syere> killdash9: obviously you need to use your skills to impersonate one of your co-workers 23:29 <+coderphive> AnimalFarmPig, I actually know one of their devs 23:30 <+NinjaStyle> who 23:30 <+coderphive> Ashley Roach 23:30 <+coderphive> pretty cool fella 23:30 <@killdash9> of course this is a talk at Linux Fest: Where's My Beer: Building a Better Kegerator with a Raspberry Pi & Sensu 23:30 <+coderphive> lmao 23:30 < syere> that's... kind of a great idea 23:30 <+coderphive> embedded linux my mans 23:30 <+NinjaStyle> coderphive: he lives in denver 23:31 <+coderphive> NinjaStyle, I know 23:31 <@killdash9> too late: Identify burnout and actions steps to prevent yourself from burning out 23:31 <+NinjaStyle> just say the word 23:31 <+NinjaStyle> ill throw an egg a thim 23:31 <+coderphive> haha, he's a cool dude 23:31 <+NinjaStyle> at him* 23:31 <+coderphive> he runs a pretty neat dev podcast 23:31 < syere> NinjaStyle: how's the new job??? 23:31 < AnimalFarmPig> coderphive: Cisco dev? 23:31 <+coderphive> AnimalFarmPig, DevNet dev 23:31 <+coderphive> but yes 23:31 <+NinjaStyle> syere: meh, its fine 23:31 <+NinjaStyle> syere: i am in GA right now 23:32 <@killdash9> time to bail. l8s, bitches 23:32 <+coderphive> pz 23:32 < syere> NinjaStyle: dear god why 23:32 <+NinjaStyle> syere: new job 23:32 < cryptic1> Whats up 23:32 < syere> but... do they hate you? 23:32 < AnimalFarmPig> coderphive: nice! I looked at some of the DevNet sessions, and they look pretty cool. According to the interface on the session registration part of the website, they're almost all full, but the text says they're all first come first served. I hope to sneak into a few. 23:32 <+NinjaStyle> apparently 23:32 < cryptic1> Ninjastyle hope u voted today 23:32 <+NinjaStyle> voted for what? 23:33 < cryptic1> Oops wrong nick 23:35 < abakedapplepie> lol 23:37 <+NinjaStyle> i dont get it 23:41 < Runath> i appreciate all the help guys 23:43 < syere> anytime! 23:45 <+coderphive> off to TXLF 23:45 <+coderphive> pz dudes 23:45 <+coderphive> Hit me up if you're in ATX 23:48 < MillerBoss> `bofh 23:48 <+layer-eight> BOFH The ring needs another token 23:48 * MillerBoss puts in 25cents 23:50 < Sousapro> anyone know what ports are typically used for SIP? 23:50 < Sousapro> I kinda remember 5060+5061 and then like 10k to 20k 23:52 < syere> 5060 and 5061 are correct 23:52 < syere> and I can't remember the secondary range 23:52 < MillerBoss> There are a lot more ports than that. Doesn't it depends on the provider? 23:52 < Sousapro> yeah lol 23:52 < MillerBoss> :P 23:52 < Sousapro> provider sounded confused by the question lol 23:52 < MillerBoss> Find another provider :P 23:52 < Sousapro> tech is calling his boss 23:52 < Sousapro> oh, I'm going to 23:53 < MillerBoss> :) 23:53 < Sousapro> soon as I can get my fax servers up into teh cloud 23:53 < MillerBoss> Example at the bottom of page https://success.ringcentral.com/articles/en_US/RC_Knowledge_Article/9233 23:53 <+layer-eight> * MillerBoss → Knowledge Base: Expanded Version: RingCentral Network Requirements and Recommendations 23:54 < MillerBoss> https://wiki.freepbx.org/display/PPS/Ports+used+on+your+PBX 23:54 <+layer-eight> * MillerBoss → Ports used on your PBX - PBX Platforms - Documentation 23:55 < MillerBoss> I miss using freePBX 23:57 < MillerBoss> So I got an Apple TV set up here at my desk now. Using an iPhone to airplay some apps like Unifi and the like. Fairly useful. --- Log closed Fri Jun 08 00:00:49 2018